OMG Phil hellmuth is so bad at poker! [Archive]

JooWish622

01-08-2006, 07:58 PM

OMG he's the worst poker pro in the world. After watching him on the TOC and 2005 world series, I just can't believe that anybody regards him as a great player.

Okay, so what that he has nine poker bracelets. THe fact of the matter is is that his gamestyle of chipping up and weak-tight play is outdated because of the new-age internet pro who effortlessly runs over hellmuth with their raises and reraises. His lack of poker bracelets and victories in the last two years is proof of his overating. He will likely never win another bracelet. His glory days are behind him.

The major pros claim his cash game to be laughable. He just doesn't understand the need to be non-ABC and aggressive. All he does is fold all day. How can a player be good if he just folds all day? He should learn to just bet more aggressively and not get blown off his hands. All he seems to do is nut peddle.

AFter watching him play on UB and whine about bad beats, I have to say that he is no better than some Joe Shmoe at a local casino. As an everyday player and 2+2 reader, with no real experience playing high-stakes poker or any real professional experience or real solid knowledge of the game, I know that he is an inadaquate player with a major ego problem. Feel free to follow this up 2+2 with claims about Phil Hellmuth and your praises of better players. Who do you think is better than Phil Hellmuth? Phil Ivey? Hoyt Corkins?

-Joo

Quicksilvre

01-08-2006, 08:19 PM

Nice 151st post.

technologic

01-08-2006, 08:22 PM

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OMG he's the worst poker pro in the world. After watching him on the TOC and 2005 world series, I just can't believe that anybody regards him as a great player.

Okay, so what that he has nine poker bracelets. THe fact of the matter is is that his gamestyle of chipping up and weak-tight play is outdated because of the new-age internet pro who effortlessly runs over hellmuth with their raises and reraises. His lack of poker bracelets and victories in the last two years is proof of his overating. He will likely never win another bracelet. His glory days are behind him.

The major pros claim his cash game to be laughable. He just doesn't understand the need to be non-ABC and aggressive. All he does is fold all day. How can a player be good if he just folds all day? He should learn to just bet more aggressively and not get blown off his hands. All he seems to do is nut peddle.

AFter watching him play on UB and whine about bad beats, I have to say that he is no better than some Joe Shmoe at a local casino. As an everyday player and 2+2 reader, with no real experience playing high-stakes poker or any real professional experience or real solid knowledge of the game, I know that he is an inadaquate player with a major ego problem. Feel free to follow this up 2+2 with claims about Phil Hellmuth and your praises of better players. Who do you think is better than Phil Hellmuth? Phil Ivey? Hoyt Corkins?

-Joo

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i'd like to see you defeat johnny chan heads up for the bracelet

Nut4Dawgs

01-08-2006, 08:34 PM

Haven't we kicked PH's nutz enuff alreddy?

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Jaksiel

01-08-2006, 08:55 PM

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As an everyday player and 2+2 reader, with no real experience playing high-stakes poker or any real professional experience or real solid knowledge of the game, I know that he is an inadaquate player

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Hysterical.

A_Junglen

01-08-2006, 08:58 PM

I love making attacks on people who have obviously proven themselves to be good poker players.

Give me a break...

NCAces

01-08-2006, 09:05 PM

Any post with a subject of, or starting with, "OMG" should be instantly locked.

That is all.

NCAces

ed8383

01-08-2006, 09:08 PM

this is embarrasing..

restrikt

01-08-2006, 09:12 PM

Yes, he must be one crappy player to make it to the final table of the TOC.

And yeah, you don't need skill to win 9 bracelets. Just ask Doyle and Johnny, who've both won 10.

When it comes to NLHE tournaments, the only player I would pick to stake over Hellmuth, is Ivey.

dun_noo

01-08-2006, 09:26 PM

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OMG he's the worst poker pro in the world. After watching him on the TOC and 2005 world series, I just can't believe that anybody regards him as a great player.

Okay, so what that he has nine poker bracelets. THe fact of the matter is is that his gamestyle of chipping up and weak-tight play is outdated because of the new-age internet pro who effortlessly runs over hellmuth with their raises and reraises. His lack of poker bracelets and victories in the last two years is proof of his overating. He will likely never win another bracelet. His glory days are behind him.

The major pros claim his cash game to be laughable. He just doesn't understand the need to be non-ABC and aggressive. All he does is fold all day. How can a player be good if he just folds all day? He should learn to just bet more aggressively and not get blown off his hands. All he seems to do is nut peddle.

AFter watching him play on UB and whine about bad beats, I have to say that he is no better than some Joe Shmoe at a local casino. As an everyday player and 2+2 reader, with no real experience playing high-stakes poker or any real professional experience or real solid knowledge of the game, I know that he is an inadaquate player with a major ego problem. Feel free to follow this up 2+2 with claims about Phil Hellmuth and your praises of better players. Who do you think is better than Phil Hellmuth? Phil Ivey? Hoyt Corkins?

-Joo

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i'd like to see you defeat johnny chan heads up for the bracelet

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Terrible point. Do you know the type of short-term luck that is involved in a heads up, 100 or 200 hand match? It is in no way an indication of your skill level. I'm sure anyone could beat Johnny Chan with the right run of cards.

Banks2334

01-08-2006, 09:34 PM

And whats your real name since I want to keep a lookout for your upcoming takeover of the poker world.

KinkyKid

01-08-2006, 10:03 PM

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Nice 151st post.

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Usually people make the posts and get flamed even earlier in their 2+2 life.

benb18a

01-08-2006, 10:06 PM

wow, what a toolbox. the thread title told me id find this kind of retarded nonsense. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

terminated

01-08-2006, 10:50 PM

He's a douche, too:

http://static.flickr.com/4/5793773_c17ab61cd2.jpg

In Paradise

01-08-2006, 11:00 PM

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His lack of poker bracelets and victories in the last two years is proof of his overating.

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As long as you don't count the tournament that we won 9 months ago.

LionelHutz00

01-08-2006, 11:14 PM

You're just jealous of Phil! He has all the mobney (http://extempore.livejournal.com/123744.html) and all the bracelets. Anyone who says otherwise is a JOPKE (http://extempore.livejournal.com/90537.html)

Nut4Dawgs

01-08-2006, 11:29 PM

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As long as you don't count the tournament that <font color="red">we</font> won 9 months ago.

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Who(m) is "we?"

terminated

01-09-2006, 12:09 AM

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As long as you don't count the tournament that we won 9 months ago.

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Who(m) is "we?"

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I think he is referring to himself and Phil's nutsack.

Overdrive

01-09-2006, 01:20 AM

Let's see now.

Phil has made his living and supported himself by playing poker since he was what - 22 years old or something? He hasn't had a 9 to 5 job for 20 years (or ever) I guess that means he doesn't know how to play. For the last 20 years he has paid his rent, bought his groceries and put gas in his car with money he has won from playing poker. Yeah - I guess that means he doesn't know what he is doing /images/graemlins/confused.gif

FGators

01-09-2006, 01:32 AM

Has this many people ever defended Phil Hellmuth? /images/graemlins/smile.gif I feel like Norman Chad.

PokerBob

01-09-2006, 04:55 AM

this thread is dumb. he is clearly a very good tournament player. he is also clearly a penis.

graydot

01-09-2006, 05:22 AM

I dont know about his poker game, but he is pretty successfull in grabbing attention and publicity (makes great money from this).

Just look at this forum, not a day goes by where there is no thread about Phil. I wouldnt mind having a cult of people who have nothing better to do then post about how much I suck

gilbert

01-09-2006, 05:34 AM

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His lack of poker bracelets and victories in the last two years is proof of his overating.

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As long as you don't count the tournament that we won 9 months ago.

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you're taking this one pretty personally, aren't you?

BaHorst

01-09-2006, 05:44 AM

Phil will tell you exactly what you hold by the flop, if not earlier. Phil may be annoying, but he will beat you.

Kaeser

01-09-2006, 08:42 AM

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this thread is dumb. he is clearly a very good tournament player. he is also clearly a penis.

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restrikt

01-09-2006, 08:48 AM

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he is also clearly a penis.

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Wait, so it's okay to call Hellmuth a penis, but I can't call Dannenman a donkey, when we all know he is one?

What a biased forum.

RussianBear

01-09-2006, 12:41 PM

Since he sucks so bad, why did you just watch him on UB, why didn't you sit at the table and get some of than money we was donating?

RussianBear

01-09-2006, 12:56 PM

The man has made millions, literally, playing poker. Plus all the money he has made from endorsements, books, and all those crappy trinkets he sells like chip sets, bobbleheads, etc. Wipe the smegma off your lips, stop being jealous and go out and emulate his results.

nuclear500

01-09-2006, 02:08 PM

If you're referring to his somewhat horrible laydown of A8 vs Matusow's push - he made a tournament fold. A fold to the bluff. Remember, we get to see all the hole cards...makes a difference in our "read". Additionally we see maybe 20-30% of the total hands that get played, if not less. Mike may have shown down AA or KK with that exact same kind of play and overbet in an unseen hand.

Granted it was 3 handed and A8 is a stronger hand in that situation - but was it really worth risking his tournament life in a major tournament where the real glory is playing for 1st? Maybe, maybe not. Phil believed he could wait for a better situation against Mike - one which never showed itself because Hoyt kept stomping him.

What I do find funny about that fold was his reaction when Mike showed him the 83c - he was visibly shaken.

FoxwoodsFiend

01-09-2006, 02:24 PM

It's really embarassing how few posters realized the sarcastic nature of this post

akudlac

01-09-2006, 02:40 PM

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It's really embarassing how few posters realized the sarcastic nature of this post

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How many missed it, at least eight?

Talk about poor reads.

JooWish622

01-09-2006, 02:50 PM

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Phil will tell you exactly what you hold by the flop, if not earlier. Phil may be annoying, but he will beat you.

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Foxwoodsfiedn was the only one who understood this as a joke post. It is truly a shame that in order for my posts to receive any collection of responses, it must be a gossip post about some poker pro. Not a single one of my theory threads has ever received this many reads and responses. Of course, most of the posts here were antagonistic of me, as they should be, but some of them further degraded Phil Hellmuth, or defended him without any real knowledge of what they were talking about. Of course, someone once again brought up his accomplishments in defense of his play. Arguments were made with no more backing than mere speculation. The post by Russianbear was truly a debacle. I'm convinced some 2+2ers don't even read the information on the hold'em forums; they just waste their time here thinking up new reasons why their favorite pro is the greatest.

Kudos 2+2... kudos.

send_the_msg

01-09-2006, 03:35 PM

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Phil will tell you exactly what you hold by the flop, if not earlier. Phil may be annoying, but he will beat you.

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Foxwoodsfiedn was the only one who understood this as a joke post. It is truly a shame that in order for my posts to receive any collection of responses, it must be a gossip post about some poker pro. Not a single one of my theory threads has ever received this many reads and responses. Of course, most of the posts here were antagonistic of me, as they should be, but some of them further degraded Phil Hellmuth, or defended him without any real knowledge of what they were talking about. Of course, someone once again brought up his accomplishments in defense of his play. Arguments were made with no more backing than mere speculation. The post by Russianbear was truly a debacle. I'm convinced some 2+2ers don't even read the information on the hold'em forums; they just waste their time here thinking up new reasons why their favorite pro is the greatest.

Kudos 2+2... kudos.

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you just wasted your time with a [censored] bogus thread.

Quicksilvre

01-09-2006, 03:59 PM

Nice 159th post.

Nut4Dawgs

01-09-2006, 04:10 PM

Putz.

technologic

01-09-2006, 04:34 PM

JooWish622

01-09-2006, 04:50 PM

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Phil will tell you exactly what you hold by the flop, if not earlier. Phil may be annoying, but he will beat you.

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Foxwoodsfiedn was the only one who understood this as a joke post. It is truly a shame that in order for my posts to receive any collection of responses, it must be a gossip post about some poker pro. Not a single one of my theory threads has ever received this many reads and responses. Of course, most of the posts here were antagonistic of me, as they should be, but some of them further degraded Phil Hellmuth, or defended him without any real knowledge of what they were talking about. Of course, someone once again brought up his accomplishments in defense of his play. Arguments were made with no more backing than mere speculation. The post by Russianbear was truly a debacle. I'm convinced some 2+2ers don't even read the information on the hold'em forums; they just waste their time here thinking up new reasons why their favorite pro is the greatest.

Kudos 2+2... kudos.

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must be a poor jopke

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by poor he means awesome.

fortunesknave

01-09-2006, 05:01 PM

Doesn't the fact that we're watching him on tv indicate that he's made the final table of a tournament, and doesn't that suggest that he does have success against current players, internet aggressors included?

If you're refering to TOC, Helmuth's whining aside, he didn't enjoy the same luck as Matasow and Corkins when he (Helmuth) was short-stacked.

Easy E

01-09-2006, 05:22 PM

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His lack of poker bracelets and victories in the last two years is proof of his overating

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While I am no fan of Bratboy, you haven't been paying too much attention over this past year at some of his tournament results.

Easy E

01-09-2006, 05:24 PM

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As an everyday player and 2+2 reader, with no real experience playing high-stakes poker or any real professional experience or real solid knowledge of the game, I know that he is an inadaquate player

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Hysterical.

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I didn't read the whole thing the first time. Too bad I didn't catch [g]this[/b] gem.

Easy E

01-09-2006, 05:31 PM

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It's really embarassing how few posters realized the sarcastic nature of this post

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How many missed it, at least eight?

Talk about poor reads.

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Make that 9.

Easy to do with the written word in these types of forums, especially when the OP comes out of the blue.

One might ask the poster's original motivation for this whole thing.
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At least we have some resident geniuses to keep the rest of us in line. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Look at his post again and tell me you honestly don't think that anyone who hasn't seen this poster before couldn't be fooled. Maybe it was better parody than it should have been /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Assani Fisher

01-09-2006, 11:40 PM

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Yes, he must be one crappy player to make it to the final table of the TOC.

And yeah, you don't need skill to win 9 bracelets. Just ask Doyle and Johnny, who've both won 10.

When it comes to NLHE tournaments, the only player I would pick to stake over Hellmuth, is Ivey.

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Wasn't the TOC only one table? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Quicksilvre

01-09-2006, 11:40 PM

Not last year (110 runners).

lozen

01-10-2006, 12:30 AM

9 bracelets and do you think it's possible that TV portarys him a certain way. Also one of the top cashers at WSOP too and you tend to forget 3rd at the tourney of champions recently. Plus he hjas made some final tables lately on WPT and WSOp.

mlagoo

01-10-2006, 12:33 AM

i dont understand how people are still responding seriously to the OP

JooWish622

01-10-2006, 03:00 AM

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i dont understand how people are still responding seriously to the OP

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I take it back, this has been one of the most rewarding and enjoyable posts I have ever posted.

Kudos once again 2+2... way to represent.

GTL

01-10-2006, 03:24 AM

the best part about a mock thread, is the people who continue to make serious responses to the first post after there have been several posts indicating that the thread is a joke. that makes the whole thing worth while. i frequent a music message board, where a poster put up a mock post about how a friend of his had banged the niece of "jethro tull" and she had even shown him her drivers license (her name was Mary Tull). there were responses days after the poster said it was a joke berating him for being a moron and not knowing that there was no one named jethro tull in the band. classic.

fm191124

01-10-2006, 04:36 AM

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As an everyday player, with no real experience playing high-stakes poker or any real professional experience or real solid knowledge of the game,

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why are you so quick to jump at his playing style, when i first started i assumed all loose aggresive players were equal to easy money - not the case, many ways to skin a cat (bad analogy but same thing).

also why dont you jump down harrington's back? or the thousand other pro's who have a tight torny image?

you have been fooled by TV magic, yes he plays tight, but its a players extremely good post-flop decisions that make them continually travel far in big mtts

but dont get me wrong i cant stand it when phil starts to bitch and moan, although his table eticate is a huge jopke he is a good poker player

fm191124

01-10-2006, 04:37 AM

im an idiot --- please excuse above post

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

01-10-2006, 08:12 PM

WOW OP you fooled me!!

OMG I WAS LIKE NUH UH HE DIDNT JUST SAY THAT!!

NO WAY, PHIL IS AWESOME

and then... A TWIST

it was all a JOPKE from the start!!

and then i was like OMG OP you are so smart!!!!

and then OP was like har har har i tricked all of 2+2

then he felt ultimate superiority!! like a super saiyan jin... in poker forum format!!

wah so sexy

Nut4Dawgs

01-10-2006, 08:26 PM

Why is this thread not locked?

JooWish622

01-11-2006, 01:50 AM

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Why is this thread not locked?

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it's because people are still enthusiastically replying thus exposing the idiocy of the majority of this forum... like reply number 49

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

01-11-2006, 02:55 AM

yeah real idiocy

what do you call someone sad enough to make 'mock posts' in a forum then?

you are an absolute loser

01-11-2006, 11:43 AM

JooWish622

01-11-2006, 01:30 PM

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yeah real idiocy

what do you call someone sad enough to make 'mock posts' in a forum then?

you are an absolute loser

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Someone please lock this post... I fear I may be further adding to the problem I identified. I mean, just look this one.

akudlac

01-12-2006, 12:48 AM

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yeah real idiocy

what do you call someone sad enough to make 'mock posts' in a forum then?

you are an absolute loser

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Someone please lock this post... I fear I may be further adding to the problem I identified. I mean, just look this one.

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Please don't, loving it.

Please.

grdred944

01-12-2006, 02:23 PM

To answer the original post -- yes you are correct that PH's style of play is outdated. Phil is a smart guy who is very good at reading other players, his downfall since he had a great year in 2003 is in coping with and reacting to the much looser, almost reckless style of play favored by many of the people he faces off against. My gut tells me that he does not want to change his style. It worked well for him for years and he is reluctant to change. Couple that with his prominence as a notorious figure in the poker world and one can understand his reluctance. In time, his popularity will trail off and he will have to adjust in order to start winning again.

Note the tournaments where Phil has done well. The head's up championship was a 64 person, invitation only event. Most of the players there were solid pros. That is where Phil succeeded in the old days and where he can succeed now.

JooWish622

01-14-2006, 10:18 PM

keep it going...

ChuckyB

01-15-2006, 12:59 AM

OMG Phil Hellmuth is so bad at poker. And he's such a jerk. But his assertion that they should raise the buy-in of the World Series to $25K is right on. Too many players. None like Hellmuth though, thank goodness. He's such a jerk. Plays perfect poker. But he's a jerk.

ed8383

01-15-2006, 02:16 AM

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To answer the original post -- yes you are correct that PH's style of play is outdated. Phil is a smart guy who is very good at reading other players, his downfall since he had a great year in 2003 is in coping with and reacting to the much looser, almost reckless style of play favored by many of the people he faces off against.

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his downfall? are you an idiot? he made the TOC final 2 first year, comes back the second finishes third, has made how many wpt final tables, won the national heads up championship, has had countless WSOP cashes and if not mistaken is the top all time in cashes.

his downfall?? are you that ignorant??

wonderwes

01-15-2006, 02:25 AM

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/wonderwes/phil3.jpg

"I am blessed"

kolotoure

01-15-2006, 09:37 AM

Hellmuth is sooo weak/tight

phroph

01-15-2006, 05:46 PM

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his downfall? are you an idiot? he made the TOC final 2 first year, comes back the second finishes third, has made how many wpt final tables, won the national heads up championship, has had countless WSOP cashes and if not mistaken is the top all time in cashes.

his downfall?? are you that ignorant??

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Dude, he was INVITED to play in those, he didnt EARN it.
First year they put in a bunch of top pros,

The second year, they put in top qualifiers and people who deserved it AND they also allowed some top pros in that DIDNT qualify.

So dont say he made it there on his own, thats just foolish.

ChuckyB

01-15-2006, 08:45 PM

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http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/wonderwes/phil3.jpg

"I am blessed"

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With a T-shirt from the greatest college football game ever.

Maier

01-17-2006, 01:32 AM

bump

restrikt

01-17-2006, 01:51 AM

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his downfall? are you an idiot? he made the TOC final 2 first year, comes back the second finishes third, has made how many wpt final tables, won the national heads up championship, has had countless WSOP cashes and if not mistaken is the top all time in cashes.

his downfall?? are you that ignorant??

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Dude, he was INVITED to play in those, he didnt EARN it.
First year they put in a bunch of top pros,

The second year, they put in top qualifiers and people who deserved it AND they also allowed some top pros in that DIDNT qualify.

So dont say he made it there on his own, thats just foolish.

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Funny I don't see you putting down Brunson and Chan.

Yeah, let's bash Hellmuth because of his personality. Woohoo, big accomplishment there.

RussianBear

01-17-2006, 10:19 AM

Why are my posts a debacle? I've personally seen the man rape others on UB. Moreover, from what I understand, those who track his stats say he is an overall winner online. The man is not a complete fish at cash games. He started playing poker by playing ring games, not tournaments. He continues to play them to this day, albeit he may not play the big game, but he still makes a living playing poker. He's not my favorite player, but he cannot possibly be as bad as others say he is. He's not a drug-addict and he's not staked so he must be doing something right.

JooWish622

01-17-2006, 12:05 PM

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Why are my posts a debacle? I've personally seen the man rape others on UB. Moreover, from what I understand, those who track his stats say he is an overall winner online. The man is not a complete fish at cash games. He started playing poker by playing ring games, not tournaments. He continues to play them to this day, albeit he may not play the big game, but he still makes a living playing poker. He's not my favorite player, but he cannot possibly be as bad as others say he is. He's not a drug-addict and he's not staked so he must be doing something right.

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The man has made millions, literally, playing poker. Plus all the money he has made from endorsements, books, and all those crappy trinkets he sells like chip sets, bobbleheads, etc. Wipe the smegma off your lips, stop being jealous and go out and emulate his results.

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It's really embarassing how few posters realized the sarcastic nature of this post

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As an everyday player and 2+2 reader, with no real experience playing high-stakes poker or any real professional experience or real solid knowledge of the game, I know that he is an inadaquate player with a major ego problem. Feel free to follow this up 2+2 with claims about Phil Hellmuth

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RussianBear

01-17-2006, 03:06 PM

so, that's all you got?

Ness

01-17-2006, 04:24 PM

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http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/wonderwes/phil3.jpg

"I am blessed"

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With a T-shirt from the greatest college football game ever.

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Did you happen to see Texas v. USC?

Johnny Drama

01-17-2006, 04:45 PM

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when I first saw this picture, I would've sworn he was sitting on a toilet.

JooWish622

01-18-2006, 02:38 AM

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so, that's all you got?

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why do i need more?

RussianBear

01-18-2006, 11:19 AM

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why do i need more?

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Because you're a punk.

StregaChess

01-18-2006, 01:15 PM

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Phil has made his living and supported himself by playing poker since he was what - 22 years old or something? He hasn't had a 9 to 5 job for 20 years (or ever) I guess that means he doesn't know how to play. For the last 20 years he has paid his rent, bought his groceries and put gas in his car with money he has won from playing poker. Yeah - I guess that means he doesn't know what he is doing /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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I'm not knocking Phil but the above is just plain stupid.
I know a chess player that you could say the same thing about.
He also is married to a Physician but hey.. let's not let the facts get in the way of defending someone that does not need to be defended!?

OK one more time... Phil is married to a Physician.
He don't need no day job, dropping off the kids and picking them up from school is enough.

And good for him... he talented at poker and at picking a wife that brings in major $$$$$

JooWish622

01-18-2006, 02:06 PM

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why do i need more?

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Because you're a punk.

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sure

JooWish622

01-18-2006, 02:07 PM

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Phil has made his living and supported himself by playing poker since he was what - 22 years old or something? He hasn't had a 9 to 5 job for 20 years (or ever) I guess that means he doesn't know how to play. For the last 20 years he has paid his rent, bought his groceries and put gas in his car with money he has won from playing poker. Yeah - I guess that means he doesn't know what he is doing /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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awesome...

I'm not knocking Phil but the above is just plain stupid.
I know a chess player that you could say the same thing about.
He also is married to a Physician but hey.. let's not let the facts get in the way of defending someone that does not need to be defended!?

OK one more time... Phil is married to a Physician.
He don't need no day job, dropping off the kids and picking them up from school is enough.

And good for him... he talented at poker and at picking a wife that brings in major $$$$$

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Salva135

01-18-2006, 02:25 PM

If I remember correctly from an episode, his wife is a psychiatrist at Stanford Med. How much would she pull in from that? Maybe $250K if she's got a senior position? Hellmuth must pull in far more than that a year with winnings + endorsements, and his lifetime earnings without a doubt vastly exceed hers. I'm not sure the point you're trying to make here, but Phil is certainly the breadwinner of the family (although I'm sure she adds a nice extra income).

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Phil has made his living and supported himself by playing poker since he was what - 22 years old or something? He hasn't had a 9 to 5 job for 20 years (or ever) I guess that means he doesn't know how to play. For the last 20 years he has paid his rent, bought his groceries and put gas in his car with money he has won from playing poker. Yeah - I guess that means he doesn't know what he is doing /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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awesome...

I'm not knocking Phil but the above is just plain stupid.
I know a chess player that you could say the same thing about.
He also is married to a Physician but hey.. let's not let the facts get in the way of defending someone that does not need to be defended!?

OK one more time... Phil is married to a Physician.
He don't need no day job, dropping off the kids and picking them up from school is enough.

And good for him... he talented at poker and at picking a wife that brings in major $$$$$

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RussianBear

01-18-2006, 03:06 PM

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sure

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That's what I thought.

Maier

01-18-2006, 06:27 PM

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sure

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That's what I thought.

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It's amazing these 2+2 fools keep responding to the OP responses. It's almost as if they're oblivious that they themselves are the jokes of this post.

RussianBear

01-18-2006, 07:44 PM

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It's amazing these 2+2 fools keep responding to the OP responses. It's almost as if they're oblivious that they themselves are the jokes of this post.

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Huh?

wonderwes

01-18-2006, 08:25 PM

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/wonderwes/phil2.jpg

GreywolfNYC

01-18-2006, 09:03 PM

I don't normally get involved with threads like this one, but here's a little anecdote for you. I saw Layne Flack playing in a low buy-in tournament in Vegas last year. One of the guys at the final table with him asked who he feared the most in no-limit tournaments. Layne said it was Hellmuth, who he considers to be the best in the world.
I'd tend to value Flack's opinion just a bit more than the OP's.

Quicksilvre

01-18-2006, 09:31 PM

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http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/wonderwes/phil2.jpg

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Boobies.

kom

01-20-2006, 05:28 AM

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Let's see now.

Phil has made his living and supported himself by playing poker since he was what - 22 years old or something? He hasn't had a 9 to 5 job for I guess that means he doesn't know how to play. For the last 20 years he has paid his rent, bought his groceries and put gas in his car with money he has won from playing poker. Yeah - I guess that means he doesn't know what he is doing /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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pfft, insufficient sample size

bud05

01-20-2006, 10:32 AM

Hey, who else do you know that can dodge bullets, baby?

pkr2k5

01-20-2006, 05:16 PM

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Phil will tell you exactly what you hold by the flop, if not earlier. Phil may be annoying, but he will beat you.

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Foxwoodsfiedn was the only one who understood this as a joke post. It is truly a shame that in order for my posts to receive any collection of responses, it must be a gossip post about some poker pro. Not a single one of my theory threads has ever received this many reads and responses. Of course, most of the posts here were antagonistic of me, as they should be, but some of them further degraded Phil Hellmuth, or defended him without any real knowledge of what they were talking about. Of course, someone once again brought up his accomplishments in defense of his play. Arguments were made with no more backing than mere speculation. The post by Russianbear was truly a debacle. I'm convinced some 2+2ers don't even read the information on the hold'em forums; they just waste their time here thinking up new reasons why their favorite pro is the greatest.

Kudos 2+2... kudos.

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must be a poor jopke

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by poor he means awesome.

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no he actually means poor as in poor

JooWish622

01-20-2006, 07:55 PM

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Phil will tell you exactly what you hold by the flop, if not earlier. Phil may be annoying, but he will beat you.

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Foxwoodsfiedn was the only one who understood this as a joke post. It is truly a shame that in order for my posts to receive any collection of responses, it must be a gossip post about some poker pro. Not a single one of my theory threads has ever received this many reads and responses. Of course, most of the posts here were antagonistic of me, as they should be, but some of them further degraded Phil Hellmuth, or defended him without any real knowledge of what they were talking about. Of course, someone once again brought up his accomplishments in defense of his play. Arguments were made with no more backing than mere speculation. The post by Russianbear was truly a debacle. I'm convinced some 2+2ers don't even read the information on the hold'em forums; they just waste their time here thinking up new reasons why their favorite pro is the greatest.

Kudos 2+2... kudos.

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must be a poor jopke

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by poor he means awesome.

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no he actually means poor as in poor

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WHAMMY

JooWish622

01-20-2006, 07:56 PM

10000 views and counting baby...

technologic

01-21-2006, 03:28 AM

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10000 views and counting baby...

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1337 p057

ChuckyB

01-21-2006, 09:59 PM

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"I am blessed"

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With a T-shirt from the greatest college football game ever.

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Did you happen to see Texas v. USC?

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Yeah...it was no Michigan v. Northwestern from November 2000

Aceshigh7

01-30-2006, 02:33 AM

Funny Phil Hellmuth story I read on pokerpages. The guy is a world champion but it seems sometimes he just doesn't understand the game very well. Doesn't he realize that he loses to A,3?

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I remember when I first logged on to a site in 1998. I was playing $10-$20 limit and the flop came down A-8-7 rainbow (meaning three different suits), and I had 8-8 in the hole for middle set. When a three came on the turn, my single opponent capped it with me, but I wasn't worried. When another three hit on the river, for A-8-7-3-3, I capped it again thinking he had A-3, but he showed me 3-3! Initially I thought that the site was rigged!

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Fallen Hero

01-30-2006, 02:43 AM

poor joke

TheMainEvent

01-30-2006, 02:43 AM

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Funny Phil Hellmuth story I read on pokerpages. The guy is a world champion but it seems sometimes he just doesn't understand the game very well. Doesn't he realize that he loses to A,3?

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I remember when I first logged on to a site in 1998. I was playing $10-$20 limit and the flop came down A-8-7 rainbow (meaning three different suits), and I had 8-8 in the hole for middle set. When a three came on the turn, my single opponent capped it with me, but I wasn't worried. When another three hit on the river, for A-8-7-3-3, I capped it again thinking he had A-3, but he showed me 3-3! Initially I thought that the site was rigged!

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http://members.cox.net/pimpbot9000/roflcopter.gif

Aceshigh7

01-30-2006, 02:47 AM

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poor joke

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Umm, it wasn't a joke. That was a direct quote from this pokerpages interview with Hellmuth.

http://www.pokerpages.com/blog/index.php?itemid=559

Meraxes

01-30-2006, 03:28 AM

(8)(8)833 beasts (3)33(A)A

beyeond

01-30-2006, 03:38 AM

AcesHigh7, care to share your party handle with us?

Aceshigh7

01-30-2006, 05:50 AM

Okay, okay. I get it now... It's not my fault that I have to work messed up shifts and I don't know if i'm coming or going.... /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

01-30-2006, 06:59 AM

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10000 views and counting baby...

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awesome man... you are so cool

this is what life is all about right here you jealous ppl

Jourdain

01-30-2006, 07:27 AM

During the Toc 2005, he made some sick laydowns against Corkins and Matusow. Hellmuth has amazing reads on his opponents.

Jocke_F

01-30-2006, 08:05 AM

OP obviously doesn't understand that many people bash Phil like this all the time and that his post coming of as a joke is totaly impossible to know unless you know OP in person or has a history of reading his posts. Inside jokes doesn't make much sense in a public forum.

Predator314

01-30-2006, 04:35 PM

It was either on here or RGP, a good while back, there was a story about a HUGE laydown he made against Layne Flack online. I was really impressed. How the heck do you lay anything down to Layne?

I wish I could remember the details of that story. Not sure if it's true or not.

Nut4Dawgs

01-30-2006, 06:00 PM

This thread must die. It has become boring. Phil Helmuth bashing is best done when a specific and preferably recent act/action/play/remark/pic/promotion, etc., etc., is the subject of the bashing. Generalized bashings have been done to the point of total inanity.

Quicksilvre

01-30-2006, 06:41 PM

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poor jopke

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restrikt

01-30-2006, 08:15 PM

TheMainEvent

01-30-2006, 09:16 PM

nath

01-30-2006, 09:34 PM

This story is all you need to know about Phil Hellmuth (emphasis mine):

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It is now announced that they will break my table, and I'm dealt Q-Q under the gun. I make it $1,800 to go, and now I'm freaking out thinking I'm going to lose this pot to K-K. Everyone folds to the big blind, who is the guy who beat me with Q-9 earlier in the day. He moves all in for my whole $18,000. Finally, I fold my hand faceup, and he shows me A-K.

The very next hand, at a different table now, I'm still talking about throwing away pocket queens when I pick up pocket queens again and open for $1,800. Incredibly, the big blind moves me all in! This time, I feel that my opponent has J-J or worse, but I still fold my hand faceup. The big blind shows 7-7. I don't mind this at all. After all, I could have gone out if he hit a 7. Besides that, who in WSOP history will ever lay down Q-Q in back-to-back hands for a single reraise?

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He's more proud of being weak-tight than of going with his reads and getting his money in as a 4 to 1 favorite.

p.s. I think this thread his hilarious; I just wanted an excuse to post this again.

JooWish622

02-16-2006, 11:06 PM

BUMP!

Army Eye

02-16-2006, 11:13 PM

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Phil is the same guy who layed down AQ preflop to an all in raise by Matusow, who was holding 83o.

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I don't remember that hand, when was that?

cjm8301

02-17-2006, 02:13 AM

This post is horrible, if you guys really think that Phil Helmuth is bad at poker, you obviously don't have a real understanding for the game. He will undoubtedly go down as one of the best poker players the game has ever seen and although he doesn't have a gunslingers mantality similar to a Stu Ungar of Gus Hansen, his tight-aggressive (not weak!) style of play is very effective at wading through large tournament fields. His postflop play is extraordinary and ultimately this is the most important factor in NL tournament style. Yes, he's an ashole, but he is one of the best ashole's to ever play the game!

JooWish622

02-17-2006, 02:13 AM

heh

GotRivered?

02-17-2006, 11:11 AM

The reason why he nut peddles is the same reason alot of good aggressive players have toned down their game. There are so many idiots out there who call with hands they should not call with, almost disarming an aggressive player of his bluff moves. I kind of understand, being a victim no more than 12 hours ago of an all in call in a 30 dollar tournament online with 3 spades on the board and strait cards got called with bottom pair 5 kicker on a K T 9 board (I had AsQh btw) and reraised all in. Now granted im not mad that i lost... It happens and people miss draws but i dont know how you can confidently make that call in a tournament with bottom pair and a kicker below the board when i had been playing TAG all game

yskhyr

02-17-2006, 12:34 PM

is phil hellmuth that black guy who won monte carlo billions?

FoxVR6

02-17-2006, 02:14 PM

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is phil hellmuth that black guy who won monte carlo billions?

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LOL!!!

Maier

04-24-2006, 02:18 PM

He just cashed in the five star diamond and you are calling him the world's worst poker player? I mean he's not as good as Phil Ivey or Doyle, but he's sure up there...

Discuss

Smoothcall

04-24-2006, 03:30 PM

Phil H. doesn't always play weak. He definately does sometimes. But other times he is out there stealing like a mad man. He steal raises with cheese from everywhere. Does alot of bluffing. He is not very good at poker but to call him just weak tight wouldnt be accurate. He does have experience though and that does help him to not get totally destroyed by the rest of the field.

nath

04-24-2006, 03:43 PM

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He just cashed in the five star diamond and you are calling him the world's worst poker player? I mean he's not as good as Phil Ivey or Doyle, but he's sure up there...

Discuss

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You bumped a two month old thread for this? Thanks for contributing!

AggroFish

04-24-2006, 04:32 PM

he's playing tripple draw right now on UB with nvrwin, sit down and take his money haters.

mlagoo

04-25-2006, 12:27 AM

04-25-2006, 01:05 AM

I watched him dump 12k to mahat playing 2-7 last night in 30minutes

Turn Prophet

04-25-2006, 01:18 AM

He has cashed like 9 times in the last two years as the WSOP... I'd hardly call him a fish. But I agree that he is not as good as many pros who have fewer bracelets, and his cash game skills are not up to snuff.

But 9 bracelets is 9 bracelets, so I still think he's in the top 0.1% of players.

JooWish622

04-25-2006, 11:33 AM

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Phil H. doesn't always play weak. He definately does sometimes. But other times he is out there stealing like a mad man. He steal raises with cheese from everywhere. Does alot of bluffing. He is not very good at poker but to call him just weak tight wouldnt be accurate. He does have experience though and that does help him to not get totally destroyed by the rest of the field.

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Mad props to the OP... oh wait, it's me

obvvvv

04-25-2006, 03:40 PM

lol funniest [censored] is that the guy backs up his counter argument that hellmuth isnt good by say he CASHED in the bellagio tourney lol

SinCityGuy

04-25-2006, 05:14 PM

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his gamestyle of chipping up and weak-tight play is outdated because of the new-age internet pro who effortlessly runs over hellmuth with their raises and reraises.

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While you're at it, why don't you mosey on over to the BB&V forum and check out some of the 700 and 800 BB downswing graphs from some of these hyperaggressive internet punks.

mlagoo

04-26-2006, 04:30 AM

this thread might be the greatest success in the history of the WPT forums

i only wish i had made it

Rushinankil

04-26-2006, 10:18 AM

I'm sorry how many WSOP bracelets have you won?

mlagoo

04-26-2006, 05:41 PM

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I'm sorry how many WSOP bracelets have you won?

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GOOD POINT

NotFadeAway

04-28-2006, 03:45 AM

I can't believe that anyone could use the Tournament of Champions as proof that Hellmuth can't play. He did finish third in that outstanding field after all. Also, he did win the Heads Up Championship last year, so he is certainly still capable of winning major tournaments.

Mempho

04-28-2006, 09:49 AM

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Okay, so what that he has nine poker bracelets. THe fact of the matter is is that his gamestyle of chipping up and weak-tight play is outdated because of the new-age internet pro who effortlessly runs over hellmuth with their raises and reraises. His lack of poker bracelets and victories in the last two years is proof of his overating. He will likely never win another bracelet. His glory days are behind him.

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First, I don't root for Phil Hellmuth, I root against him. That said, he is a great, great tournament player. I love your thing about the "new age internet pro." As far as weak-tight play, Phil is not weak-tight. He plays smallball poker which a lot of the "new agers" refuse to play. This aggressive strategy is easy to beat, though. The lack of seeing PH at the final table is more of a function of the massive fields now present in tournaments. You're just not going to make the final table as often. I haven't seen much Gus Hansen (except on Poker Superstars) lately either. Is he weak-tight, too?

Erik Blazynski

04-28-2006, 10:37 AM

Looks like he has about 600K in winnings in the past 12 months. How much do you have jooWish622? He doing something right.

ultimatesooner

04-30-2006, 05:46 AM

watchin the 96 us poker championship right now on espn classic

whoever told him that wearing that shirt was a good idea was not his friend

PokerJokerAA

04-30-2006, 06:25 AM

Phils definately a good tournament player, but I wouldnt even come close to saying hes one of the best. I doubt with his old fashioned playstyle hes even top 100 in the world ATM in tourns. He never will be the best until he learns how to deal with bad beats, most people gain this skill within their first year of playing poker. And this isnt even mentioning his cash game play, which is worse than the average $25 nl player on party.

JooWish622

09-27-2006, 10:58 PM

bump

Dan.

09-28-2006, 01:28 AM

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I think Phil's 2006 WSOP success speaks volumes against anything you've argued about Phil not being able to play against "new age internet" players.

MafiaPrince

09-28-2006, 10:02 AM

Ive always loved the line Hellmuth says to Matusow during that TOC where Matusow is talking about how good he is and is bashing Phil and Phil says something like I play nine-time hold'em champion poker..Shut Matusow up for a little bit

Gammastyle

09-28-2006, 01:19 PM

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Let's see now.

Phil has made his living and supported himself by playing poker since he was what - 22 years old or something? He hasn't had a 9 to 5 job for I guess that means he doesn't know how to play. For the last 20 years he has paid his rent, bought his groceries and put gas in his car with money he has won from playing poker. Yeah - I guess that means he doesn't know what he is doing /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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pfft, insufficient sample size

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nh

Jourdain

09-28-2006, 03:42 PM

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It was either on here or RGP, a good while back, there was a story about a HUGE laydown he made against Layne Flack online. I was really impressed. How the heck do you lay anything down to Layne?

I wish I could remember the details of that story. Not sure if it's true or not.

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a huge laydown, and in a cash game nonetheless!!!

Hand #2757413-4002 at Brooklyn Park (No Limit Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 05/Oct/04 08:34:18

LayneFlack is at seat 0 with $8463.50.
PhilHellmuth is at seat 1 with $8789.
pub mustard is at seat 2 with $3332.
TheGiftOfGab is at seat 3 with $16064.50.
The button is at seat 1.

pub mustard posts the small blind of $25.
TheGiftOfGab posts the big blind of $50.

LayneFlack: -- --
PhilHellmuth: -- --
pub mustard: -- --
TheGiftOfGab: -- --

Pre-flop:

LayneFlack calls. PhilHellmuth raises to $225. pub
mustard folds. TheGiftOfGab folds. LayneFlack
calls.

Flop (board: 7c Ah 7d):

LayneFlack checks. PhilHellmuth checks.

Turn (board: 7c Ah 7d 7s):

LayneFlack bets $525. PhilHellmuth calls.

River (board: 7c Ah 7d 7s Ac):

LayneFlack goes all-in for $7713.50. PhilHellmuth
folds, showing 3h As. LayneFlack is returned $7713.50
(uncalled).

LayneFlack opts to show 7h 6h.
LayneFlack has 7h 7c Ah 7d 7s: four sevens.

Hand #2757413-4002 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $1575.
LayneFlack wins $1573.
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Osprey

09-28-2006, 08:39 PM

That's not THAT special. You're not going to make a great living calling large bets in hopes to chop.

tame_deuces

09-29-2006, 06:23 AM

14 pages of shameless bumping.

And it wasn't even funny. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

broncman02

09-29-2006, 05:10 PM

i think your just a hater and i guess u didnt hear that he got his 10th wsop braclet this year. including several final tables, all of his braclets are in holdem. but other then that i think hes a true donkey and most of the time he puts his money drawing dead. hellmuth is so bad. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

The Absurdist

11-07-2006, 01:00 PM

Bump.....for the crappiest player of his generation. And I say that knowing full well that I am unqualified to evaluate his play or that of his opponents. What a Donkey!!!!!

sigurrostyp

11-07-2006, 07:00 PM

OMG i feel dumber after reading this

ed8383

11-07-2006, 08:51 PM

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Phils definately a good tournament I doubt with his old fashioned playstyle hes even top 100 in the world ATM in tourns.

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*cough wsop 2006, cough his record*
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He never will be the best until he learns how to deal with bad beats, most people gain this skill within their first year of playing poker.

[/ QUOTE ]first year? ha!

iMsoLucky0

11-08-2006, 09:14 PM

fwiw, I played quite a bit with Phil at the wsop (including several hours in the tourney he won his bracelet in down to 3 or 4 tables), and I was very impressed with his play. He was very hard to play against and he made some awesome reads. Weak-tight is not descriptive of his game at all.

Hollywade

11-09-2006, 01:50 AM

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Who do you think is better than Phil Hellmuth? Phil Ivey? Hoyt Corkins?

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It seems like there's no way you could have been serious when you posted this. Where does it say you need to be a great cash game player to be good at poker? I'm pretty sure he's done well enough in tournaments to "get by." By that logic, is someone who doesn't dominate tournaments a bad player? I guess Chip Reese is no good at poker because he's been playing since the 70s and only has about 3 WSOP bracelets.

I really don't feel like wasting any more time responding to this drivel. You are an idiot.