Who Are the Best Poker Commentators?

[theman]

Let's get a commentators poll going...

Barry Greenstein = best

Ed Lover = worst (guy from Hip Hop Holdem)

There's my 2cents,
-TheMan

[theman]

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Let's get a commentators poll going...

Barry Greenstein = best

Ed Lover = worst (guy from Hip Hop Holdem)

There's my 2cents,
-TheMan

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..plus i honestly don't think that's Ed's real last name. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

..i just wish Barry could commentate more regularly, rather than as a guest.

-TheMan

[SuperUberBob]

I'm 100% certain there's already been a thread on this.

[Chimera]

Howard Lederer's great, Gabe Kaplan's pretty good, Michael Konik's the worst.

[KSOT]

I like Gabe Kaplan best cause he makes me laugh once in a while. However, Howard Lederer is better for amateurs who might need insight into the hands being played.

Mark Seif is the worst. I also really don't like Dan Harringtons commentary and wish AJ Benza would just go away.

[MikeGuz]

I find most televised poker unwatchable. UB aruba is the almost bad as Cleberity Poker with tall Phil and the kid in the hall guy.

Is anyone else tired of the "one of the best players in the world" comments.

My default best vote goes to Bart Hansen live at the bike he is a little bit of a one note guy - bet bet bet - but he means well.

[checkpot]

Bart from LATB is really good, latb was especially good when they had bart and tuchman together.. learned a lot
and gabe is a good commentator

[xxrod17xx]

Dido, Bart is the best and LATB was even better when Tuchman was there. As for poker on actual tv, i guess you have to say the guys at High Stakes Poker because its the only show I can bare to watch

[Suigin406]

i like lederer as he gives good insight into the hands, though i could see how this might be annoying from time to time...kaplan is also pretty good...

[Valsuvious]

I actually really love listening to the WSoP commentators. I don't care if they mess up the hands sometimes, they just crack me up with their comments. It's a lot better than listening to any of the other ones on say, poker superstars or high stakes.

[Frond]

Lederer is great but I can see how some may not like his soft-spokeness. I like it thugh. Good analysis. I used to like Sexton but???

[gobboboy]

Dave and Bart in their hey-day were miles ahead of anyone else.

[Jetto]

Ive never heard Barry G comment before.. so I cant say wether hes teh best ive heard.

Id go with the ESPN guys Lon mcheron and Norman chad


phil G. aint too bad

[johnnyrocket]

yea mark seif is an awful announcer, i like gabe kaplan alot

[ardubz]

Kaplan is my favorite, hands down.

The only gripe I have about Lederer is that he's such a downer most of the time. He also seems to have a holier-than-thou attitude when commentating with people like Chris Rose (PSI3).

It's like Rose's job is to take a stab at the commentary and then big daddy Lederer comes in and corrects Rose, then Rose chuckles and I can just picture a smug expression on Lederer's face. But I digress - Lederer isn't that bad.

The absolute worst is Jesse May (I think?) - the guy on all the trash shows where they're at the half-circle table with set decoration that cost $20 to build. His laugh is so completely obnoxious that I don't understand how he's still getting paid to commentate.

[Army Eye]

Mike Sexton before WPT cranked up the blinds was my favorite. Great analysis and more personality than Lederer.

[Jourdain]

I really liked Phil Hellmuth commentating during the 2005? WSOP final table for cardplayer.

[funkymunky]

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Dave and Bart in their hey-day were miles ahead of anyone else.

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Man, I miss the old days at LATB.

[ADLinden]

AJ Benza

game set match

[mucked4u]

Howard and gabe hands down.
But not together.
Chemistry would be non compatible

[8T1]

I enjoy Gabe's commentary, not so much Norman Chad's

[Vasquez]

bart hanson and tuchman

[The_Taj]

This isn't even a contest. Bart Hanson and Dave Tuchman are the best announcer duo on any internet or tv poker show. It sucks that Tuchman is gone, but Bart still holds it down like no other.

[RichGangi]

I really like Gabe Kaplan. Very experienced/knowledgeable and has a good sense of humor.

[O Fen�meno]

gabe and aj are really good. Aj is growing on me

[lewbpoker]

I like Mike Sexton's commentary for tournaments, but for best overall commentary I'd have to go with Bart Hanson and Dave Tuchman from "Live At the Bike."

Those two LATB guys always tell it like it is and consistently offer the best poker insights of any show out there. Man, too bad Dave ain't around anymore. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[List]

I dislike mediocre no limit holdem players who do lots of hand analysis. Kaplan is one of the worst. He doesn't understand a lot of intermediate/advanced plays, and says stupid crap like "he should have overbet the pot to protect his hand against the flush".

My prefered commentators are guys with good technical knowledge of the game, like the live at the bike guys and barry greenstein, and world class nl holdem live cash/online players.

Kaplan has no business commentating on hands. His analysis is extremely results oriented, and shows little knowledge of technical aspects of the game. He doesn't even understand the bet/3bet play with good hands. I would rather have no commentary, poker after dark style, than have irritating/inaccurate commentary.

[Jurrr]

I hate when Kaplan/Benza speak over the player chat so that we can't hear it.

[houstonsaft]

Two words: Gabe Kaplan!

[relayerdave]

I still say the Norm/Lon combo was fantastic during the '06WSOP...

[J.C. Gloves]

I've seen/heard all of em and here is the ranks:

1-Bart Hanson/David Tuchman (They owned '06, hell they owned every1, really hope they get to TV someday)

2-Gabe Kaplan/AJ Benza (Gabe is solid enuff w/ insight into the thought process of the players, and AJ is tolerable. He doesn't interrupt @ inopportune times)

3-Howard Lederer (Knowledgable)

4-Ali Nejad/Phil Gordon (Good flow and PG really inserts his opinion a lot. I don't tend to agree w/ him a lot but its good to hear an opinion sometimes....SOMETIMES not all the times Jeez)

5-ESPN crew (Meh...they don't bother me, the coverage is much better than the commentary)

6-WPT/PPT crew (Sigh... Actually I didn't think Seif/Corboy were that bad, but they sounded so similar that you didn't really kno who was doing the play-by-play and who was doing the color. Less there 1-liner jokes, they were decent)

7-Chad Brown (I really don't like Chad Brown's commentary but he's more bearable than...)

8-FSN crew (*GAGS*)

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PPL who deserve call-backs:
1)Barry Greenstein- Everything Barry says is gold. He is just SO on the level that we are all in tune to. Plus he's one of the best players in the world.
2)Erick Lindgren- I really enjoyed that time he was in the booth during the PokerNetcast Heads-Up. He really had a good approach that I think a lotta ppl liked.
3)Vanessa Rousso- During the $50k Horse Event @ the WSOP she was doing some color commentary on Bluff's coverage on SIRIUS that I really enjoyed. Her thought process is very detailed and thought provoking. I don't enjoy her as much on those UPC tourneys. Post-production BLOWS.
4)Kenna James- Ditto^
5)Dan Harrington- He's okay, sort of on that Barry G. level but not quite. Very adequate for tournament broadcasts.
6)Jeff Madsen- I need to hear more of him to make a further interpretation

[JoeBlazer55]

I've always thought Mike Sexton was the best. I love listening to him.

No one's mentioned the tournament they show on the INHD channel. It's a tournament at Caesar's, I forget the name but it's a series of single table tourneys and the winner from each moves on the the finals. The announcers on there are terrible. Oli Nejad and two other dorks. Anyone else seen this?

[eljizzle]

I like Matt Vasgersian's commentary...he doesn't pretend to know what he is talking about and just calls it like he sees it.

[Self Made]

Best: Phil Gordon
Runner up: Adam Shoenfeld.
Also good: Lederer, Greenstein.
I didn't listen to Bartuch, so I have no opinion on them.

Worst: Norman Chad
Runner up: Ali Nejad

[Degenerasian]

Norm/Lon are probably the best
I'd say the HSP announcers but AJ Benza sucks

[Big Tuna]

I like Norm and Lon, although they could do with eliminating a few of the ex-wife/marraige-is-hell jokes every episode. It might not be the most insightful commentary on the game itself, but I watch the WSOP more as entertainment than as serious poker and their commentary is pretty entertaining.

[Self Made]

I was just listening to Greg Raymer do some EPT analysis, and I'd add him to the list. He's really good. Just says what he likes and doesn't like about their plays. But the guy he's paired with brings him down... I'll have to pay attention next time to get that guy's name.

[J.C. Gloves]

Forgot to add the Heartland Poker Tour crew. On my list they fall between 7 & 8. Leaning towards being tied w/ Chad Brown but they are a lil on the corny side so...I do think they are efficient tho.

[Trestle]

Bart Hanson and David Tuchman nobody could touch them. When the game got slow at least they kept it interesting. The thing with them is they didnt have editing to work with they had do to everything live.

A really close second would goto Gabe Kaplin now if they would just shoot AZ Benza out of a cannon it would be great.

[Dima2000123]

What's wrong with Benza?

[w_gibbs]

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I really liked Phil Hellmuth commentating during the 2005? WSOP final table for cardplayer.

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QFT. When he isn't doing his pokerbrat schtick, you realize how good a player he is.

[4Clover]

Hands down Bart & Dave. If anyone has never watched LATB, they are missing out on two of the best. Dave is gone now, but i really hope someday they get back together and show the entire poker world who the best really are. Watching other shows on TV now, and it doesn't even compare to what it used to be about a year ago on LATB. DAVE if you read this, COME BACK.

$Clover

[lewbpoker]

Hmmm, I agree that another reason Bart and Dave were so good is that they did their shows completely live and were on everyday.

But I'm guessing aother reason why they were so good and other commentators can't compare is that they were real life players, who happened to do commentary, and were willing to openly give everyone their "secrets" to the game. I thought both of them were very well-read on the game and the fact that they played at most of all the stakes being shown on the show allowed them to give real life insights from a professionl player point-of-view on what was going on and what should have been done in a hand.

This could be a topic for another discussion, but all of this begs the question whether poker can have good commentators? Most of the guys who are qualified to commentate play. Those who are usually a step down from the games being played will end up commentating (but often not have the same skill and knowledge as those playing). Why would a good player even want to commentate if he/she can play and make more money?

[AMT]

phil hellmuth and howard lederer are both good. they analyze situations, they make the occasional joke, and they keep you involved in the game while making it watchable (and for the average TV watcher its just as important to keep the avg idiot involved then to just adjust to 100% poker strategy).


most other commentators are really bad. all of mike sexton, gabe kaplan and norman chad suck ass

[antisocialgrace]

I like Greenstein, Gabe, Hellmuth, only seen Lederer once but liked him and Sexton.

Can't stand Norman Chad and the guy who isn't Chad Brown on Cash Poker is the absolute worst--never has so much adoration been given to midlings!

PAD guy is getting better--the Grease comments about a leather jacket clad and dippidy doo-slicked Hellmuth were priceless--used to suck but that's not his fault it's NBC's.. what a horrid format.

[theman]

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Hmmm, I agree that another reason Bart and Dave were so good is that they did their shows completely live and were on everyday.

But I'm guessing aother reason why they were so good and other commentators can't compare is that they were real life players, who happened to do commentary, and were willing to openly give everyone their "secrets" to the game. I thought both of them were very well-read on the game and the fact that they played at most of all the stakes being shown on the show allowed them to give real life insights from a professionl player point-of-view on what was going on and what should have been done in a hand.

This could be a topic for another discussion, but all of this begs the question whether poker can have good commentators? Most of the guys who are qualified to commentate play. Those who are usually a step down from the games being played will end up commentating (but often not have the same skill and knowledge as those playing). Why would a good player even want to commentate if he/she can play and make more money?

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Very interesting...So what you're saying is that poker commentators will always suck cuz the good qualified guys will never have incentive to commentate?

-TheMan

[BartHanson]

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Hmmm, I agree that another reason Bart and Dave were so good is that they did their shows completely live and were on everyday.

But I'm guessing aother reason why they were so good and other commentators can't compare is that they were real life players, who happened to do commentary, and were willing to openly give everyone their "secrets" to the game. I thought both of them were very well-read on the game and the fact that they played at most of all the stakes being shown on the show allowed them to give real life insights from a professionl player point-of-view on what was going on and what should have been done in a hand.

This could be a topic for another discussion, but all of this begs the question whether poker can have good commentators? Most of the guys who are qualified to commentate play. Those who are usually a step down from the games being played will end up commentating (but often not have the same skill and knowledge as those playing). Why would a good player even want to commentate if he/she can play and make more money?

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Very interesting...So what you're saying is that poker commentators will always suck cuz the good qualified guys will never have incentive to commentate?

-TheMan

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With regards to commentating on cash games this discussion is totally valid. For a good high limit NL cash player their rate would be exponentially higher than their pay for any commentating gig. You have to find a player to commentate who loves broadcasting and is a scholar of the game.

One of the other benefits of commentating is the improvement in your own game. Seeing thousands of hands and how opponents act in different situations can vastly change your decision making process. Two years of LATB has turned me from a small winner at limit to one of the biggest winners at NL in the entire casino. Sports broadcasting has always been my dream so it is not that difficult to work through the boring parts.

Someone mentioned to me the possibility of teaching at a new WPT Cash Game Boot Camp. Again, this is a situation where I could never be paid more than what I would make in playing poker but I recognize the other benefits in teaching a weekend of advanced NL concepts.

[SirFelixCat]

FWIW, Bart/Tuch were (what happend to Tuch?) and Bart still is the best out there.

I'm really kinda amazed he hasn't been asked onto any of these other shows....


eta: just leave the Penthouse Pet's at home when a 2+2'er fly's out for the show :bitter:


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[alphatmw]

this was probably very obvious but i just realized who theman reminded me of.

he's the diebitter of televised poker.

[theman]

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this was probably very obvious but i just realized who theman reminded me of.

he's the diebitter of televised poker.

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diebitter?

-TheMan

[theman]

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Hmmm, I agree that another reason Bart and Dave were so good is that they did their shows completely live and were on everyday.

But I'm guessing aother reason why they were so good and other commentators can't compare is that they were real life players, who happened to do commentary, and were willing to openly give everyone their "secrets" to the game. I thought both of them were very well-read on the game and the fact that they played at most of all the stakes being shown on the show allowed them to give real life insights from a professionl player point-of-view on what was going on and what should have been done in a hand.

This could be a topic for another discussion, but all of this begs the question whether poker can have good commentators? Most of the guys who are qualified to commentate play. Those who are usually a step down from the games being played will end up commentating (but often not have the same skill and knowledge as those playing). Why would a good player even want to commentate if he/she can play and make more money?

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Very interesting...So what you're saying is that poker commentators will always suck cuz the good qualified guys will never have incentive to commentate?

-TheMan

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With regards to commentating on cash games this discussion is totally valid. For a good high limit NL cash player their rate would be exponentially higher than their pay for any commentating gig. You have to find a player to commentate who loves broadcasting and is a scholar of the game.

One of the other benefits of commentating is the improvement in your own game. Seeing thousands of hands and how opponents act in different situations can vastly change your decision making process. Two years of LATB has turned me from a small winner at limit to one of the biggest winners at NL in the entire casino. Sports broadcasting has always been my dream so it is not that difficult to work through the boring parts.

Someone mentioned to me the possibility of teaching at a new WPT Cash Game Boot Camp. Again, this is a situation where I could never be paid more than what I would make in playing poker but I recognize the other benefits in teaching a weekend of advanced NL concepts.

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Great insights/feedback Bart. Thanks!

In your opinion, will you and Dave be back together at some point in future? Do you wish to do TV poker commentary at some point? How much of a balance between poker playing and commentating would you like to have? Would you ever do more commentating than playing?

-TheMan

[BartHanson]

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Hmmm, I agree that another reason Bart and Dave were so good is that they did their shows completely live and were on everyday.

But I'm guessing aother reason why they were so good and other commentators can't compare is that they were real life players, who happened to do commentary, and were willing to openly give everyone their "secrets" to the game. I thought both of them were very well-read on the game and the fact that they played at most of all the stakes being shown on the show allowed them to give real life insights from a professionl player point-of-view on what was going on and what should have been done in a hand.

This could be a topic for another discussion, but all of this begs the question whether poker can have good commentators? Most of the guys who are qualified to commentate play. Those who are usually a step down from the games being played will end up commentating (but often not have the same skill and knowledge as those playing). Why would a good player even want to commentate if he/she can play and make more money?

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Very interesting...So what you're saying is that poker commentators will always suck cuz the good qualified guys will never have incentive to commentate?

-TheMan

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With regards to commentating on cash games this discussion is totally valid. For a good high limit NL cash player their rate would be exponentially higher than their pay for any commentating gig. You have to find a player to commentate who loves broadcasting and is a scholar of the game.

One of the other benefits of commentating is the improvement in your own game. Seeing thousands of hands and how opponents act in different situations can vastly change your decision making process. Two years of LATB has turned me from a small winner at limit to one of the biggest winners at NL in the entire casino. Sports broadcasting has always been my dream so it is not that difficult to work through the boring parts.

Someone mentioned to me the possibility of teaching at a new WPT Cash Game Boot Camp. Again, this is a situation where I could never be paid more than what I would make in playing poker but I recognize the other benefits in teaching a weekend of advanced NL concepts.

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Great insights/feedback Bart. Thanks!

In your opinion, will you and Dave be back together at some point in future? Do you wish to do TV poker commentary at some point? How much of a balance between poker playing and commentating would you like to have? Would you ever do more commentating than playing?

-TheMan

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I love doing commentary. My dream has always been to become a sports broadcaster and I have very little interest in playing pro long term. Luckily between gigs I can always play poker to make very good money. David and I are actively looking for other opportunities. One of the biggest developments that has happened recently is our new found relationship with Mori Eskandi. Mori produces most of the good poker shows on tv--PAD, HSP, NBC HU, etc and is aware of our work and has watched our reel. I am sure we will be at least considered as commentators for the next project that he produces. The frustrating thing is that we've never been considered nor given the opportunity to audition for any new show that has appeared in the past. At least we now have our foot in the door now.

[Bubble Bully]

Muddywater in the early days before he got lazy.

[SPR1NGER]

Ali Nejad discusses Poker After Dark on Full Tilt Forums:
http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/viewtopic.php?t=27867

Anwered a lot of my questions about the show. He also plays on Full Tilt as himself.

[kommunizt]

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I dislike mediocre no limit holdem players who do lots of hand analysis. Kaplan is one of the worst. He doesn't understand a lot of intermediate/advanced plays, and says stupid crap like "he should have overbet the pot to protect his hand against the flush".

My prefered commentators are guys with good technical knowledge of the game, like the live at the bike guys and barry greenstein, and world class nl holdem live cash/online players.

Kaplan has no business commentating on hands. His analysis is extremely results oriented, and shows little knowledge of technical aspects of the game. He doesn't even understand the bet/3bet play with good hands. I would rather have no commentary, poker after dark style, than have irritating/inaccurate commentary.

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Kaplan plays very well. You can see him playing in HSP, when negreanu switched to the booth.

[SpleenLSD]

Gabe far and away. He understands the cash game psychology and lifestyle, and better yet he can comment on it with insight & humor. I do like Norman Chad's groaner jokes too. Seif is a bore.

[jordiepop]

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Kaplan has no business commentating on hands. His analysis is extremely results oriented, and shows little knowledge of technical aspects of the game. He doesn't even understand the bet/3bet play with good hands. I would rather have no commentary, poker after dark style, than have irritating/inaccurate commentary.


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Nothing could be further from the truth. gabe puts himself in the players shoes all the time, and says things like " this play should work" or " i cant see what he thinks he can beat here, great bet by so and so"



also people saying gabe shouldnt say " they are betting to see where they are at" are wrong. thats exactly why someone bets their hand in certain situations. obv they make the same bets for very different reasons but in that case, its a feeler bet.

[theman]

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Kaplan has no business commentating on hands. His analysis is extremely results oriented, and shows little knowledge of technical aspects of the game. He doesn't even understand the bet/3bet play with good hands. I would rather have no commentary, poker after dark style, than have irritating/inaccurate commentary.


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Nothing could be further from the truth. gabe puts himself in the players shoes all the time, and says things like " this play should work" or " i cant see what he thinks he can beat here, great bet by so and so"



also people saying gabe shouldnt say " they are betting to see where they are at" are wrong. thats exactly why someone bets their hand in certain situations. obv they make the same bets for very different reasons but in that case, its a feeler bet.

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Hmm, yeah I agree with you and the previous poster who said that Kaplan is not a great commentator in terms of hand analysis.

I like that he is familiar with the Big Game on HSP and the culture of that group of players, but his strategic hand analyses seem off to higher level players. To a lower level or average player, his comments may seem interesting and possibly enlightening, but I do believe he's been off about 1/3 of the time or so in suggesting what a player is thinking and should/shouldn't do in specific situations.

I still think he's a solid commentator, but by no means a great one. (I actually like Howard Lederer's hand analysis better...and, of course, Bart and Dave are some of the best in that department.)

-TheMan

[theman]

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Hmmm, I agree that another reason Bart and Dave were so good is that they did their shows completely live and were on everyday.

But I'm guessing aother reason why they were so good and other commentators can't compare is that they were real life players, who happened to do commentary, and were willing to openly give everyone their "secrets" to the game. I thought both of them were very well-read on the game and the fact that they played at most of all the stakes being shown on the show allowed them to give real life insights from a professionl player point-of-view on what was going on and what should have been done in a hand.

This could be a topic for another discussion, but all of this begs the question whether poker can have good commentators? Most of the guys who are qualified to commentate play. Those who are usually a step down from the games being played will end up commentating (but often not have the same skill and knowledge as those playing). Why would a good player even want to commentate if he/she can play and make more money?

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Very interesting...So what you're saying is that poker commentators will always suck cuz the good qualified guys will never have incentive to commentate?

-TheMan

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With regards to commentating on cash games this discussion is totally valid. For a good high limit NL cash player their rate would be exponentially higher than their pay for any commentating gig. You have to find a player to commentate who loves broadcasting and is a scholar of the game.

One of the other benefits of commentating is the improvement in your own game. Seeing thousands of hands and how opponents act in different situations can vastly change your decision making process. Two years of LATB has turned me from a small winner at limit to one of the biggest winners at NL in the entire casino. Sports broadcasting has always been my dream so it is not that difficult to work through the boring parts.

Someone mentioned to me the possibility of teaching at a new WPT Cash Game Boot Camp. Again, this is a situation where I could never be paid more than what I would make in playing poker but I recognize the other benefits in teaching a weekend of advanced NL concepts.

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Great insights/feedback Bart. Thanks!

In your opinion, will you and Dave be back together at some point in future? Do you wish to do TV poker commentary at some point? How much of a balance between poker playing and commentating would you like to have? Would you ever do more commentating than playing?

-TheMan

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I love doing commentary. My dream has always been to become a sports broadcaster and I have very little interest in playing pro long term. Luckily between gigs I can always play poker to make very good money. David and I are actively looking for other opportunities. One of the biggest developments that has happened recently is our new found relationship with Mori Eskandi. Mori produces most of the good poker shows on tv--PAD, HSP, NBC HU, etc and is aware of our work and has watched our reel. I am sure we will be at least considered as commentators for the next project that he produces. The frustrating thing is that we've never been considered nor given the opportunity to audition for any new show that has appeared in the past. At least we now have our foot in the door now.

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Wow cool!...I do hope you guys become regular commentators for poker TV. I think it's long overdue and the fans and players would be taken to a higher level of poker understanding. Also as a duo, I think you guys had great chemistry!

-TheMan

[DMC0627]

Vince Van Patten, you just can't hear danger, Will Robinson and he is building a hole, putting the twigs and branches over it enough

[ne14dirt]

I'm going with Gabe. I can't really pin point why other than I just like him.

On the other end of the spectrum there is Ali Nejad. I'd like to slap him in the face. Not sure why but he just rubs me wrong.