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I think this pretty much shows that when that dude claimed mark seif could see his hole cards he wasn't lying and that has been my gut feeling all alone. Seif is apparently Scott Tom's boy.


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theres no evidence at all with anything involving mark seif, just one guy who was getting his ass kicked in one HU session.


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He wasn't lying in that post. He was genuinely shocked and confused at how mark seif could open fold to him in a capped pot pre when he flopped a full house. Sure it is one story but he wasn't lying. That is what happened from that guys perspective and the timeline is very convenient. Mark Seif obviously has a very close personal relationship with potripper and co.


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1 hand isn't evidence sir

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In context, it can be. Consider the following assumptions:

1: Mark Seif is a professional poker player.
2: Mark Seif's friend and co-founder of AP is known to have access to a super-user account that can see all hole cards.
3: Mark Seif is playing a high stakes heads-up limit match, and open-folds the flop in a preflop capped hand when his opponent flopped a boat (details please).

Open folding like this in a random pro match might happen 1/100 times at most. In a match where the folder is exploiting a super user we would expect it to happen very often when the opponent flops a strong hand.

Given what we know, what is the most likely cause of the open fold?

I would say even this one piece of anectdotal evidence given the circumstances is about as strong as a polygraph. Not strong enough to convict - but should raise an extremely high level of suspicion.

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I'm sorry, but your reasoning here is 100% FOS

Mark Seif open folded, it happens, it's happened to me when I've had a good hand and a bad hand. Seif lost money in these games, seems weird he'd do that if he was a superuser...

Lets not get all dilute the importance of this thread with half-assed speculation

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yeah, this seif [censored] needs to stop. Yes we all know it would be even more awesome if seif was involved because people dont like him, and it would be even greater publicity/awesomeness for a name pro to be involved. But there isnt any evidence, and all this trying to make it fit stuff is just bringing down all the other solid work thats been done here.

That whole HU match can be explained plenty of other ways. Seif says BRB cuz he had to go take a [censored], then he comes back and says hes ready to crush him now, cuz hes a big [censored] talker and thats what [censored] talkers do. He's on tilt and goes on a hot streak. Ive open folded plenty of times even after raising PF when im on tilt, so this one time the other guy had a big hand. big deal, varience. Without any other evidence or data there is NOTHING here that links whats going on in this thread, with that incident, other than coincidence

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You and ikestoyes are either buddies with Seif, or you think it's best or have some kind of vested interest to not bring him in for some reason, or you'd make really really horrible investigators. Read the story again. Read my post earlier in the thread. Obviously there isn't enough evidence to convict. But to say that there is NOTHING to link the two cases is like saying black is white. You're wrong.

You sound like the Absolute shills defending DOUBLEDRAG - "DOUBLEDRAG plays a style that will put you to the test on the river".

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