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Limit Texas Hold'em >> Micro Stakes Limit

Ed Miller
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Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games...
      01/02/04 02:53 PM

I have a secret. I know why most of you aren't crushing these Microlimit games. It isn't because you guys aren't smart, because you are. It isn't because you don't put the effort in to study, because you do. It isn't because your opponents play well, because they don't.

It's because you fold too damn much.

Most low-limit books contain advice that looks like this:

"Fit or fold."
"If you don't have the best hand or the best draw, fold."
"If you have bottom or middle pair, fold."
"If you have a pocket pair and don't hit your set on the flop, fold."
"If you have top pair, but don't like your kicker, fold."
"If you have a straight draw, but there are two of a suit on board, fold."
"If you have a flush draw, but the board is paired, fold."

This advice is terrible. In fact, I can prove that this advice is terrible right now. You are playing 1-2, and FishyPoker.com has decided to run a promotion. They are going to add $10 million to this one pot. How should you play? Well, however you play, you sure as hell shouldn't fold. Any dumbass who folds in a $10 million pot for a $2 bet is a moron.

Now you may say, "well, this is an extreme case," and it is. But the problem with the advice is that it IGNORES THE SIZE OF THE POT, which happens to be the single most important factor in any decision you make at the poker table. Every time you make any decision... whether it be betting or check-raising the flop or calling on the river, you need to be saying to yourself, "how big is the pot?" If you aren't, then you are playing poor poker.

In the past few weeks, I have seen approximately two zillion posts from players that folded top pair or an overpair in a big pot for just one bet. This is on the flop, on the turn, and on the river.

"I thought someone had to have me beat."
"I didn't like my kicker."
"I didn't want to be dominated."
"With all those players in, someone had to have a flush draw."

When the pot is big (and big essentially means as little as that there was a preflop raise) you need to focus on winning the pot. Big pots are the time to play aggressively and maximize your chance to win, not to save bets. Folding is saving bets. You should NOT be looking to fold in big pots... you should be constantly thinking about how you are going to win it, even if you don't have the best hand sometimes.

There was a post just this morning where someone limped in with A3s on the button after two limpers. The big blind raise behind and everyone called. The flop was AQ2, and the action went BB bet, one limper called, and it was your action. You have top frickin pair in a big (i.e. raised) pot, and it is one bet to you. The BB's bet shows no more strength than what he showed when he raised before the flop. He could easily have KQ or TT or 76s. The limper called... that means he has.. well, two cards. You are getting 11-1 on a call, and did I mention that you have top frickin pair?

And yet half (or more) of the advice told him to fold. TERRIBLE! Horrible, terrible, wretched poker advice. The pot is big, you have a good hand, no one has shown any real strength, and you are gonna bail? Absurd. Yes, sometimes the raiser will have AQ and you'll lose a couple of bets. But the pot is already way bigger than a "couple of bets." And when you have the raiser beaten, he's gonna be the one losing a couple of bets to you when he pays YOU off with his KK or whatever.

WHEN THE POT IS BIG DO NOT FOLD DECENT HANDS FOR ONE BET! Just stop doing it.

You know those guys that play "fearless" poker and seem to win? When the pot is big, it is time to play fearless. Throw in that extra bet or raise. If you crash and burn, so be it. That is winning poker, though. If you don't have the stomach for it, take up tiddle-e-winks.

The time to save bets is when the pot is small. Make your prudent folds in the four-ways for one bet pots.

For the love of god, think about this and reevaluate your game, guys. If I folded as much as you guys do, I'd be flat broke right now.

Ok. Every one of you now officially owes me a beer next time you come to Vegas. Don't think I'm not gonna collect, either...

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* Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Ed Miller 01/02/04 02:53 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... sparky3474   04/22/07 10:44 AM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... thefoosball   12/06/06 07:50 PM
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. * * *BUMP* Aaron W.   04/04/05 12:45 PM
. * * Re: *BUMP* Aaron W.   04/05/05 01:46 PM
. * * Re: *BUMP* DocOfDan   04/06/05 06:58 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Thigh   02/24/05 07:58 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... TomBrooks   02/24/05 09:21 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Thigh   02/24/05 09:24 AM
. * * variance hurts my head though georgesimpson   10/15/04 06:35 PM
. * * Bizz-ump DMBFan23   11/09/04 12:17 PM
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. * * Re: Bizz-ump emon87   11/09/04 08:50 PM
. * * Re: Bizz-ump 77rules   11/10/04 04:11 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... EarlCat   10/15/04 04:33 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Milo   10/15/04 03:54 PM
. * * If you're so smart, Ed.... EliteNinja   09/25/04 06:15 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... EliteNinja   09/25/04 06:07 PM
. * * The Ed Miller Beer Foundation Hallett   09/24/04 03:48 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Brain   09/25/04 03:52 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Joe Rees   09/25/04 05:34 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... brettbrettr   09/25/04 03:26 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Joe Rees   09/25/04 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... brettbrettr   09/25/04 03:46 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... RustedCorpse   09/13/04 01:42 AM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Oblivious   08/01/04 01:20 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Beavis68   08/02/04 05:27 PM
. * * Six months later... Ed Miller   07/04/04 11:41 AM
. * * Re: Six months later... benfranklin   07/04/04 10:31 PM
. * * Re: Six months later... Saborion   07/04/04 07:49 PM
. * * Re: Six months later... Sent   07/04/04 07:50 PM
. * * Re: Six months later... Saborion   07/04/04 07:59 PM
. * * Re: Six months later... tyfromm   07/04/04 06:23 PM
. * * Re: Six months later... Ed Miller   07/04/04 09:07 PM
. * * Re: Six months later... Caruso329   02/24/05 07:53 AM
. * * Re: Six months later... TomBrooks   02/24/05 09:43 AM
. * * Re: I Have A Secret BigBluffer   07/13/04 07:06 AM
. * * The whole way, I kept hearing Ed's voice... SuitedSixes   06/24/04 06:56 AM
. * * Re: The whole way, I kept hearing Ed's voice... Zetack   06/24/04 10:59 AM
. * * Re: The whole way, I kept hearing Ed's voice... dtbog   06/24/04 10:16 AM
. * * Re: The whole way, I kept hearing Ed's voice... SuitedSixes   06/24/04 12:03 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... WiredPear   06/21/04 10:29 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... TheBong   09/08/04 07:07 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Zetack   06/21/04 01:35 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... JTrue   04/08/04 11:43 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... rjc199   03/20/04 09:00 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... StellarWind   03/21/04 12:22 AM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... SpaceAce   03/20/04 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... The DaveR   03/20/04 11:15 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... rjc199   03/20/04 09:42 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Ed Miller   03/21/04 03:27 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Felipe   10/05/04 06:37 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Webster   03/21/04 05:58 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Dids   03/21/04 12:22 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... rjc199   03/21/04 01:30 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Clarkmeister   03/21/04 03:19 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Ed Miller   03/21/04 03:17 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... uDevil   03/20/04 10:25 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Dids   03/20/04 10:20 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... twomarks   01/05/04 10:08 AM
. * * Great post...thanks for your time. slogger   01/04/04 04:23 AM
. * * I return with a reply....... Gomez22   01/04/04 03:11 AM
. * * Re: I return with a reply....... GuidoSarducci   01/05/04 12:11 AM
. * * A little quiz... Ed Miller   01/03/04 07:43 PM
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. * * Re: A little quiz... Vehn   01/03/04 08:01 PM
. * * A note about "pot odds" Ed Miller   01/03/04 07:36 PM
. * * Re: A note about "pot odds" MiracleRiver   02/17/06 01:45 PM
. * * Re: A note about "pot odds" The Vibesman   02/17/06 02:06 PM
. * * Re: A note about "pot odds" MrWookieModerator   06/11/06 12:12 PM
. * * Re: A note about "pot odds" bennyhana   06/11/06 01:06 PM
. * * Re: A note about "pot odds" MiracleRiver   02/17/06 08:25 PM
. * * Re: A note about "pot odds" Keys Myaths   06/11/06 03:46 AM
. * * Thanks for another GREAT post N/M colgin   01/03/04 02:05 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Zetack   01/03/04 01:45 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Ed Miller   01/03/04 06:08 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Zetack   01/04/04 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Zetack   01/04/04 08:05 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... TheRake   01/03/04 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Ed Miller   01/03/04 06:00 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... sublime   03/20/04 06:56 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Ed Miller   03/20/04 07:34 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... sublime   03/20/04 07:54 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... jon_1van   03/01/04 05:55 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... TheRake   01/04/04 12:29 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... TBone   01/03/04 04:11 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... JDErickson   01/03/04 04:18 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... daveymck   01/05/04 05:15 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... ramjam   01/05/04 05:34 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Zetack   01/03/04 05:17 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... htc1278   11/09/04 04:21 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... htc1278   11/09/04 04:10 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... neverforgetlol   10/31/05 11:12 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... bottomset   01/04/05 02:38 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... J_B   02/24/05 05:51 AM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... LazyRobot   02/24/05 07:21 AM
. * * rule of 13 tpir   01/03/04 06:32 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... ramjam   01/03/04 05:55 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... Zetack   01/04/04 08:08 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... rkiray   01/03/04 05:33 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... chesspain   01/03/04 12:46 PM
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. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... ramjam   01/03/04 12:55 PM
. * * Re: Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... chesspain   01/03/04 01:01 PM
. * * This one and... ThrillFactor   01/02/04 10:00 PM
. * * Charging flush draws, anyone have that link? sparky3474   04/29/07 11:38 AM
. * * Re: Charging flush draws, anyone have that link? KitCloudkicker   07/10/07 07:20 PM
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