2/4 River Decision

[Elevens]

Raise, fold to a 3-bet.

[Elevens]

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QQ is good enough that we must must must see a showdown.

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Is this your general philosophy or just for this particular hand?

[bobhalford]

I'm not a big fan of this "raise/fold to a 3-bet" line that I keep seeing given as advice on this forum. Villain could easily have JT, and if he's feeling frisky he could 3-bet you....you fold and then freak out when he shows you JT. I just like a call here, or if you want to raise, call the 3-bet. I will raise and fold to a re-raise occasionally when I feel it's the perfect spot for this play. This situation is not one of those.

Villain may have figured this to be a WA/WB line and played it like a 2+2-er, calling on the flop and turn and then betting the river, folding if raised.

[icepick]

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I would just call, but I have no sack, and I take too many beats, with my luck the [censored] would table TT and scoop it up with his set.

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[gopnik]

just call it. If he's bluffing he won't call your raise. If he has a monster he'll 3 bet you.

[callmedonnie]

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89 is the only draw that made it and i see that villian has odds to peel the flop with his gutshot but i dont think he'd make the unprofitable turn call with it...

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89 has a double belly buster, so it is open ended. I would raise and call.

[bennyk]

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QQ is good enough that we must must must see a showdown.

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Is this your general philosophy or just for this particular hand?

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Uh, I'm definitely not seeing a showdown with all my QQ hands [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

For this hand, it seemed prudent to see the showdown since Villain had been so passive, but I certainly wasn't sure enough to fold that he wasn't doing something wacky.

bk

[C-Dog]

I try to make it a pretty solid rule that seeing showdowns with Overpairs in a limit game is good.

C-Dog

[hero]

i think that bob makes a really good point about folding to the 3-bet, in this case the information gained isn't always that we're crushed and its an easy fold. thanks to donnie for pointing out that 89 could be a real possibility as its open. i'm now feeling that its a mix between calling and raising as it could've really been strength not wanting to be checked behind but the donks such an odd move. figure that the made straight would've c/r the river since you're always betting here. good hand-

[cassady]

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I think it's a raise/fold here unless villian is a total maniac then it's raise/call.

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I strongly disagree with this. QQ is good enough that we must must must see a showdown. I would be very surprised if others are advocating R/F here.

FWIW my OP was basically to ask if people are raising here. Folding never entered my mind.


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Given a paired board and the action with the donk-bet on the river, what could a reasonable villian possibly 3-bet here that we beat?