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vhawk01
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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: godBoy]
      #8561559 - 12/26/06 08:30 PM

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It's been too long

I agree with the orignal post - That the link between God and Santa Claus causes many to become atheists - or at least prompts some thought on their beliefs in what they have heard about and not seen for themselves.

I still think it's sad though - they don't belong in the same category.
I've heard that santa claus was a character created after a saint who went around throwing bags of money in the windows of houses at Christmas time - This person believed in Jesus and was trying to show people that God loved them.

As for me - asking these questions didn't leave me an atheist but left my faith stronger because I hadn't chosen a naive belief(like that of Santa) but looked deeper into it and questioned the claims individually for what they were worth.

The other interesting thing about the post was -
Atheists seem to enjoy others losing their belief in God and joining them. Richard Dawkins explains why this is in 'The God Delusion' - I still find it interesting though, I'm not out to convert the masses to my own beliefs, i'm just interested in learning and sharing what I do along the way.




Then you aren't much of a Christian, at least not as I understand Jesus Christ.


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godBoy
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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: vhawk01]
      #8561593 - 12/26/06 08:33 PM

Can you explain what you mean?

Cheers,


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BluffTHIS!
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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: NotReady]
      #8562105 - 12/26/06 09:38 PM

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BTW, just curious, what does the Pope say about SC?






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Skidoo
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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: vhawk01]
      #8562141 - 12/26/06 09:42 PM

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You should consider why that is when fellow believers and non-believers alike have disagreed with you in this thread.




Say what? This discussion isn't about those who call themselves "believers" on one side and those who don't on the other.




He wasn't talking to you.




I know, but for some reason I was moved to comment. Maybe I overdid it.


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madnak
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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: godBoy]
      #8562295 - 12/26/06 09:59 PM

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It's been too long




You should join the Bible Club. Genesis tonight, or tomorrow if I get lazy.


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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: Borodog]
      #8562338 - 12/26/06 10:03 PM

I agree with Borodog, however as an atheist Im not all that intrested in having more atheist in this world, its not like " woo Jimmy is now an atheist".
Anyway Boro what do you believe in ?


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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: BluffTHIS!]
      #8562622 - 12/26/06 10:26 PM

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The real issue is the premise that both Santa and God are imaginary and there is zero proof of either.




There is in fact much more proof of Santa than of god, for children at least. When I was a kid I SAW Santa WITH MY OWN EYES; he was at the mall for like a month after Thanksgiving.


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CrayZee
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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: MaxWeiss]
      #8562718 - 12/26/06 10:34 PM

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The real issue is the premise that both Santa and God are imaginary and there is zero proof of either.




There is in fact much more proof of Santa than of god, for children at least. When I was a kid I SAW Santa WITH MY OWN EYES; he was at the mall for like a month after Thanksgiving.




So swap Santa w/ God at the malls. Adults would then not believe in God but they would believe in Santa?..and kids the opposite.


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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: BluffTHIS!]
      #8562794 - 12/26/06 10:41 PM

I've seen that one - didn't want to post it. My question was serious though - if not the Pope, what's the general Catholic advice on SC?

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Borodog
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Re: Santa: The Athiest's Best Friend [Re: valenzuela]
      #8563031 - 12/26/06 11:04 PM

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Anyway Boro what do you believe in ?




I'm an agnostic in the literal sense of the translation: I don't know. I feel that athiests--at least as I use the term, one who positively claims that no God exists--are making a rather simple and fundamental logical mistake. How can you possibly claim that that an unobservable positively doesn't exist? You can't; at least not without making an error.

However, the God Hypothesis does not seem to be required to explain any phenomena that I am aware of, so I don't postulate His, Her, or Their existence.

Edited by Borodog (12/26/06 11:05 PM)


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