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Sorry if this was posted before....
I found this on digg and thought about posting it here.
A Russian professor has posted a picture of a painting done by someone with a severe mental disorder. A single detail of the picture shows that they are insane, but in 15 years, only a single person has figured out what it is. Can you?
(without the crease)
Below is the link to bigger res. picture of the paitning
http://pics.livejournal.com/shaltai_baltai/pic/00001ykp
The person who posted a scan of this painting says the following:
This was painted by a person with a rare and severe mental disorder. He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him. He also had a certain phobia (undisclosed).
His (the poster’s) psychiatry professor showed this painting in a lecture, and said there was one tell-tale sign in it that showed the painter’s insanity.
The professor didn’t say what that sign was, leaving the students to do the guesswork. The only clues he gave was, “don’t look for small details, look at the whole; if you figure out what the phobia was, you’ve got the answer; ask yourself what could have preceded this scene; think of what the place would look like with all the objects removed“.
The professor said that during the 15 years of his teaching, only one student had figured it out.
Anyone have any guesseS?
Edited by sightless (12/03/06 11:07 AM)
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Doors?
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Are the houses supposed to be cut off like that, or is that just a bad copy?
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Doors?
Good call. Is he correct?
Fear is claustrophobia?
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Alright, without the crease I've got nothing, I think the suggestion regarding the absence of doors is correct.
Edited by Los Feliz Slim (12/03/06 11:14 AM)
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Doors?
ALthough they are hard to see.. people say theer are doors in this painting. WOuldn't be a little too easy if the answer was doors?
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There ARE doors people, so stop guessing this. If you look at the middle blackish building with the two people and the baby carriage infront of it, look directly behind the person in the red. There is a door. It's a very dark rectangle and it's hard to see because it's almost the same color as the house but if you look close you can plainly see the door.
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there looks to be a door behing the woman in the red infront of the brown house, there is a darker brown door-shaped rectangle over the brown paint of the house.
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fear of being kidnapped.
the doors call is interesting.
by-tor: likely true, though unrelated to his disease.
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Anyone have any guesseS?
I don't know about the painting, but I once read that one of the early signs of schizophrenia is capitalizing the last letter of the last word in a sentence.
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it is pretty crazy to sit and chit chat with a baby in a carriage in freezing balls weather.
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Agoraphobia. The painter is afraid to go outside and painted this scene of the view from his window.
Or maybe arachnophobia because the horses are running away from giant spiders just out of view.
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it is pretty crazy to wear a skirt sit and chit chat with a baby in a carriage in freezing balls weather.
Babies are amazingly tollerant to cold as long as bundled up. I noticed the skirts first glance though...
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Achluophbia- fear of darkness. The whole scene is well lit with virtually every window in every building lit up except for one house which is entirely dark. This house is associated with his childhood by the three small children outside of it building a snowman.
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OK, why hasn't anybody said anything about the horses pulling legless torsos on piles of brush and branches and leaves, one of which appears to be on fire?
Edited by MortalWombat (12/03/06 11:39 AM)
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OK, why hasn't anybody said anything about the horses pulling legless torsos on piles of brush, one of which appears to be on fire?
Because we are looking for something out of the ordinary.
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Lower left horse is scoping out a snow bunny chic slightly off-portrait.
Horses clearly don't turn their heads to look at snow bunnies.
Painter is clearly insane.
Edit: Looks like the sled driver of the horse I mentioned is attempting to turn hard right.
Edited by BiPolar_Nut (12/03/06 12:08 PM)
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The blank/calm looks on the passengers' faces seems odd.
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Achluophbia- fear of darkness. The whole scene is well lit with virtually every window in every building lit up except for one house which is entirely dark. This house is associated with his childhood by the three small children outside of it building a snowman.
That was my guess, but I was thinking fear of lights. Your's makes a little bit more sense though.
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The right side looks pretty similiar to the left side, only from a different angle.
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Looking at phobialist.com I see this: Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia- Fear of long words.
What a joke. I'm guessing the insane guy has a fear of thinking or ideas
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so if only one person has figured this out in 15yrs does that mean the answer is not available anywhere online we can just look it up?
only weird thing I can think of is that there is all this snow in the picture yet it is not actually snowing out. Probably doesnt really mean anything though.
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Anything to do with the number 3? There are a lot of set of 3's - 3 sleds pulled by 3 horses, 3 women in the back of each sled, 3 kids around snowman, houses have 3 windows on each floor (not perfect here), man/woman/baby = 3.
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The right side looks pretty similiar to the left side, only from a different angle.
I saw that too, and it works with the "look at the picture globally" advice
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without reading anyone else's responses, I' going to say the person's phobia is agoraphobia, as the painting looks like a snow-globe - or, someone who is frightened of the outside and looks to enclose even a scene like this.
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The right side looks pretty similiar to the left side, only from a different angle.
you're right, but what phobia could you describe by things on each side being similar?
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is that 2nd picture a clue of some sort? Now I'm even more confused.
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The horses and sleds are not casting any shadows.
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list of phobias
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Please, tell me the answer. PM if you must, I won't share the answer with anyone else--promise.
FWIW, my theory is that the painter had a fear of children being stolen and/or his own kidnapping.
But I am very unhappy with this theory, and I have a wedding to get to today, so please tell me the answer so that I won't be utterly distracted all day.
Thank you in advance, thank you so very much.
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frede89
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Fear of being alone? The people in the picture are in groups of 2 or more. The people, almost fleeing on the horses/sledges, might be some kind of fear for being left alone.
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Quote:
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wtf
This was the original painting I believe, which the insane painter tried to recreate?
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You're saying it's the electricity lines?
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Thermophobia: fear of heat
which is why it looks cold but he is insane because running horses will create heat
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Is this the same artist? Or is this an original and the OP is a copy? This one has telephone poles/power lines, the OP doesn't. Fear of technology?
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Anything to do with the number 3? There are a lot of set of 3's - 3 sleds pulled by 3 horses, 3 women in the back of each sled, 3 kids around snowman, houses have 3 windows on each floor (not perfect here), man/woman/baby = 3.
I noticed this too.
It also seems like he went out of his way to make things asymetrical...like the 3 windows on the front building, why add that extra pane to the middle window? ONLY A CRAZY PERSON WOULD DO THAT!!!
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The horses and sleds are not casting any shadows.
Yea they are, just not on the ground.
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I want the answer before I go insane
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it looks like all the kids are looking away towards the artist. (mainly in the first two pics) anything to do with that?
btw, this is a great thread. but we need the answer eventually. 
Edited by Bullet_Dodger (12/03/06 12:20 PM)
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There is no answer yet, from what I've gathered via a quick search.
I'm not sure I buy any of this, though - could you really determine that someone is insane from one aspect of one painting?
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it looks like all the kids are looking away towards the artist.
this is the most interesting suggestion so far. not because it's the "right answer," but because it's pretty creepy.
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I'm starting to think that the crazy artist IS the professor and his phobia is no one gives a crap about his stupid paintings so he made up the story to make people look at his work.
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If you factor in the "what was it before this scene", the strange part is that none of the people are paying attention to the sled race - they are just doing what they were doing before the sleds came through.
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There is no answer yet, from what I've gathered via a quick search.
I'm not sure I buy any of this, though - could you really determine that someone is insane from one aspect of one painting?
In that case, is posting something like the OP when you don't have the answer *-worthy?
I vote that the teacher is the artist and he's insane for a variety of reasons, none of which can be deduced from the picture.
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Is that Kramer driving the first sled?
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I want the answer to this.
A more important question - why are horses running down hill in the snow?
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In that case, is posting something like the OP when you don't have the answer *-worthy?
Yeah. And let me tell you, I know a lot about stars.
This is definitley an interesting thread, though. I think if OP has the answer he should wait a little while, as we have yet to really come up with many realistic answers.
I like mine, but only because I cant come up with anything else.
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My guess is that this a clever marketing ploy to drive traffic to Veryrussian.net.
See:
First Look
It's a copy
Almost figured it out
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In that case, is posting something like the OP when you don't have the answer *-worthy?
Why?
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What kind of trees are those covered in snow? They aren't supposed to be palm trees are they?
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What kind of trees are those covered in snow? They aren't supposed to be palm trees are they?
they do sort of look like palm trees. not sure what phobia that would be, though. 
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if the answer is: "the shadows don't make sense" im going to be pissed.
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Tracks left by the horses? There may be some for the two sets on the left, but clearly nothing left by the set on the right.
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from the blog: Quote:
The professor who promised to come yesterday didn’t. They say he’s coming tomorrow, though.
One more clue. Someone made this guess. The painting depicts the Maslenitsa (Shrovetide, the feast on the last day before the Lent — the Brazilian carnival is the same holiday). It’s one of the holidays with pagan roots, and the celebration involves burning a strawman — symbolising, if I remember correctly, the ending winter. Now, could it be that you’re the burning strawman?
To which the professor allegedly replied, “not a strawman — but close”.
Also, he said the keywords are water and air. (Now that I think of it — could it be painted from the perspective of a falling, and possibly melting, snowflake? Was the phobia a fear of falling?)
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In that case, is posting something like the OP when you don't have the answer *-worthy?
Why?
Because you are going to have some angry ootiots on your hands.
I was just kidding anyway.
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if the answer is: "the shadows don't make sense" im going to be pissed.
It's night time, possibly no moon, and since it's a painting rather than a photograph a flash bulb isn't needed. I'd be disappointed if it was a shadow answer as well.
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I say we give him one of my stars. Nevermind, I like them.
Anyways, interesting points Sephus. I think the melting snowflake has the most merrit.
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Anyways, interesting points Sephus. I think the melting snowflake has the most merrit.
The artist is a goddam snowflake? Bison?
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The artist is a goddamn snowflake?
Yes.
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Pretty sure whatever "answer" we end up getting is going to be unsatisfying and inconclusive.
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Ophthalmophobia- Fear of being stared at.
he has schizophrenia
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Pretty sure whatever "answer" we end up getting is going to be unsatisfying and inconclusive.
This is obviously true. If this many people can look at the picture and not notice anything strange, there's no way there's something there which proves the insanity of the artist.
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Ophthalmophobia- Fear of being stared at.
he has schizophrenia
sammyjenkis has anterograde amnesia.
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I don't know where they are going with this strawman thing. I'm getting 5th leveled here.
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I think I figured it out
Answer in white:
4 2
6 6 6 6 6 6 1 7 3 4 4 3
10 10
30
9 8 7 6 7 5
21 22 23 24 22 25 22 26 22 27 22 28 22 22 2 22 2 22 29
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frede89
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Why does it have to be a phobia? I don't see anything about a phobia in the OP.
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The only clues he gave was, “don’t look for small details, look at the whole; if you figure out what the phobia was, you’ve got the answer
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A Russian professor has posted a picture of a painting done by someone with a severe mental disorder. A single detail of the picture shows that they are insane, but in 15 years, only a single person has figured out what it is. Can you?
"A single detail of the picture" not in the picture shows that the painter is insane.
That detail was given to us by the proffesor, telling us that the painter is insane.
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I call shenanigans on the whole thing. First, "insane" is a legal term, not a psychiatric one. Lawyers might argue over whether someone was insane when he committed a murder, but a psych professor would never describe someone as insane.
Second, the description of the mental disorder is very un-psychiatric. "He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him. He also had a certain phobia (undisclosed)." The first sentence suggests schizophrenia, though that is characterized much more by auditory hallucinations than visual. A phobia would have to be extremely severe if it manifested itself in the way the artist adapted a picture. Someone who's afraid of flying would generally be able to copy a picture of a plane.
We'll have to see what the answer is, but this just seems very, very unlikely to be true.
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A Russian professor has posted a picture of a painting done by someone with a severe mental disorder. A single detail of the picture shows that they are insane, but in 15 years, only a single person has figured out what it is. Can you?
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Quote:
Quote:
A Russian professor has posted a picture of a painting done by someone with a severe mental disorder. A single detail of the picture shows that they are insane, but in 15 years, only a single person has figured out what it is. Can you?
I would be surprised if this is anything more than just poor pronoun use.
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Fear of the Sky? In the original painting the sky is a separate entity standing above the earth with no objects in it. In the copy the trees go right up to the top of the picture linking sky and earth.
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The painter is afraid of mechanization.
Hence the horses running away from the killer mech-robots. (Not pictured)
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I've grown tired of this crap. OP, you need to post the answer in white if you know it. If you don't know the answer, then damn you, damn you to Hell!
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Pretty sure whatever "answer" we end up getting is going to be unsatisfying and inconclusive.
This is obviously true. If this many people can look at the picture and not notice anything strange, there's no way there's something there which proves the insanity of the artist.
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It's the giant bees.
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phobia of roads?
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I'm disinclined to try and figure this out, for fear that the answer might be something ridiculous.
As a side, how long do we have to wait for OP to post the [censored] answer before we start seriously requesting that he be IP banned?
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phobia of roads?
I was considering this, too.
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wow everyone has been owned pretty badly by this. why are people so gullible? :/
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If you factor in the "what was it before this scene", the strange part is that none of the people are paying attention to the sled race - they are just doing what they were doing before the sleds came through.
I think this is the best guess so far. From the veryrussian site: "In one of the LJ discussions, someone mentioned that the background and foreground are completely separate from each other - couldn’t that correspond to schizophrenia or in general being delusional?"
My initial reaction was a fear of dogs. I thought dogs pulled sleds, not horses. I've never seen horse pulled sleds before. But then I saw the painting this was based on and I guess that debunks my hypothesis.
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I call shenanigans on the whole thing. First, "insane" is a legal term, not a psychiatric one. Lawyers might argue over whether someone was insane when he committed a murder, but a psych professor would never describe someone as insane.
Second, the description of the mental disorder is very un-psychiatric. "He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him. He also had a certain phobia (undisclosed)." The first sentence suggests schizophrenia, though that is characterized much more by auditory hallucinations than visual. A phobia would have to be extremely severe if it manifested itself in the way the artist adapted a picture. Someone who's afraid of flying would generally be able to copy a picture of a plane.
We'll have to see what the answer is, but this just seems very, very unlikely to be true.
I kind of agree, but I still hope there is an answer to this, because it is driving me crazy (ha, pun!).
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okay okay, am i the only who noticed this?
there are HORSES pulling the sleds. When do you EVER see that many horses pulling on a sled, especially in the snow? My guess is that the painter is afraid of dogs.
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okay nevermind, already been debunked.
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the only logical answer actually is fear of bees
or that its a detail of the picture, not in it.
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maybe he drew it on a wall with fecal matter?
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The professor who promised to come yesterday didn’t. They say he’s coming tomorrow, though.
One more clue. Someone made this guess. The painting depicts the Maslenitsa (Shrovetide, the feast on the last day before the Lent — the Brazilian carnival is the same holiday). It’s one of the holidays with pagan roots, and the celebration involves burning a strawman — symbolising, if I remember correctly, the ending winter. Now, could it be that you’re the burning strawman?
To which the professor allegedly replied, “not a strawman — but close”.
Also, he said the keywords are water and air. (Now that I think of it — could it be painted from the perspective of a falling, and possibly melting, snowflake? Was the phobia a fear of falling?
OMG, that was going to be my guess!
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Definitely doors. Could be sociel anxiety or something.
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Please don't post the answer!
I've got an idea, but I'm going to finish reading the replies to make sure it hasn't been posted...
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It's a snow globe right? If so what could that mean
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I think this is why.
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I think that the idea of the separation between the foreground and background is an interesting observation.
Another one could be fear of the unknown.
If you look at the lower left corner, it seems there is some dark matter, that acts like a boundary. Besides the whole painting looks like "falling away from the center, making it steeper the farther away from the houses you get (farther=dangerous)
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Who's insane, the original artist, or the reproducing artist?
If the latter, the answer must lie in the contrast between the two.
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I think that the idea of the separation between the foreground and background is an interesting observation.
Another one could be fear of the unknown.
If you look at the lower left corner, it seems there is some dark matter, that acts like a boundary. Besides the whole painting looks like "falling away from the center, making it steeper the farther away from the houses you get (farther=dangerous)
Who the [censored] doesn't fear the unknown? That doesn't make someone crazy.
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ungoliant i cracked up at your post
also we need answers this is making me nuts
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Right below the two skiers in the top right quadrant there is a line that could only be made at the border between land and a lake. Most of the scene, including built houses, takes place on top of what most of the year is flowing water.
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Red herring alert:
The link to the creased pic contains the phrase Shaltai Baltai, which on Google revealed this:
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And then there is Humpty Dumpty - of course - falling off his wall and shattering into pieces.
By the way, Humpty is one of a string of British rhymes which the Russians have taken to their hearts.
Over here he is known as Shaltai Baltai, which roughly translates as the Cheeky Dangler.
He still meets the same fate, though, when he slips off that wall.
from here.
So something having to do with falling, the snowflake people I think are on the right track...
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From the professor himself:
"The professor himself may appear online tomorrow (December 1). He said the closest guess was “fear of open spaces”, and gave another clue: “what would you hear if you were inside the painting”?"
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From the professor himself:
"The professor himself may appear online tomorrow (December 1). He said the closest guess was “fear of open spaces”, and gave another clue: “what would you hear if you were inside the painting”?"
Is it the fact that the adults aren't comforting the baby in the carriage that would be crying from the sound of three horse drawn sleighs roaring by?
Edit: or that no one is watching the sleighs?
Edited by J-Mac (12/03/06 04:40 PM)
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If I was in the painting, I would not hear any humans, as they all have their mouths closed.
Maybe I would hear the horses, since they all have their mouths open... maybe he has a fear of laughter or a fear of intimacy.
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Hmm, there's no telephone wires in the "insane" copy, but I gather that's not it, being that everything in the insane mans picture should be self sufficeint to describe his issue.
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I got it! The ashes rising from the chimney's are Jews! That sick [censored] no doubt the sounds are the screams of the Jew with their horns and their claws being burned alive.
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Ok, here goes:
First thing that popped into my mind was the following:
He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him?
I think we are supposed to decide that the character on the far right sleigh is our artist, or at least it is drawn from this perspective. All of the people in the picture are sullen, save this one character. If it is a fantasy, I’m speculating that he’s racing ahead, passionately, and “leading the pack,” so to speak – while the others don’t feel it is a race.
If this is a fantasy, that might make his fear a fear of failure, or something similar maybe; fear of expectations from others, something like this.
Seems to be a vivid dream or delusion or something wild, re-created so it could be studied.
Clues both agree and might disagree with this guess.
I think the doors are too small of a detail and are irrelevant.
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The only snowflakes are those in the sky. There are no snowflakes below the sky threshold. We should see some snowflakes falling closer to the viewing point, e.g., in front of the houses, etc.
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I got it! The ashes rising from the chimney's are Jews! That sick [censored] no doubt the sounds are the screams of the Jew with their horns and their claws being burned alive.
High five!
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Sounds like a fun professor, that is, if this is a true story.
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From the professor himself:
"The professor himself may appear online tomorrow (December 1). He said the closest guess was “fear of open spaces”, and gave another clue: “what would you hear if you were inside the painting”?"
We all need to go by this.
What would I hear? I dont know. Bells, the dude's yelling at the horses, wind, the horses themselves. not sure where this is going, though.
BTW, this could be the greatest thread in OOT history, or the worst. All depending on this [censored] answer.
Edited by Bullet_Dodger (12/03/06 04:57 PM)
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BURNING CLAWED JEWS.. YEEHAWWWWW
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From the professor himself:
"The professor himself may appear online tomorrow (December 1). He said the closest guess was “fear of open spaces”, and gave another clue: “what would you hear if you were inside the painting”?"
We all need to go by this.
What would I hear? I dont know. Bells, the dude's yelling at the horses, wind, the horses themselves. not sure where this is going, though.
I get the impression from the sleighs, that they are moving speedily. I'd bet we'd hear them moving, the critters running, things like this.
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I think lots of things are painted from a particular vision - thinking in images from a particular perspective.
I think we're supposed to try and grab that perspective 
Edited by Praxis101 (12/03/06 05:01 PM)
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Who's insane, the original artist, or the reproducing artist?
If the latter, the answer must lie in the contrast between the two.
This is important.
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Original - Accordians!
Copy - None!
Melophobia- Fear or hatred of music?
EDIT: Phobia List
Edited by Los Feliz Slim (12/03/06 05:07 PM)
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This seems quite clearly to be a hoax.
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multious
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fear of hurricanes
count it
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Oh! Oh!
It could also be a fear of growing up.
Assuming the same perspective as I saw it from, the artist has all children on his sled and seems to contain a more lively spirit, as children seem to.
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fear of fearing.
BUCKETS
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how do we know the art shows they are insane and not just being very artistic?
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how do we know the art shows they are insane and not just being very artistic?
That's one of the clues! I think we're supposed to assume this person has been dignosed with an illness already, and use the art to find out other things.
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I think that the idea of the separation between the foreground and background is an interesting observation.
Unfortunately on second thought, that appears to be the same case in the original painting as well. So I'm assuming that the answer is something that appears in the latter and not the original painting.
How about the fact that there are no clouds of snow behind the horses? Like the horses never moved? In the original there are clear clouds of snow behind the horses.
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pretty sure there is no answer and that all of this is made up [censored] to stir senseless discussion
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I think that the idea of the separation between the foreground and background is an interesting observation.
Unfortunately on second thought, that appears to be the same case in the original painting as well. So I'm assuming that the answer is something that appears in the latter and not the original painting.
How about the fact that there are no clouds of snow behind the horses? Like the horses never moved? In the original there are clear clouds of snow behind the horses.
It seems that the original has been recreated to test college students. In this case, they might have changed a few subtle things in order to better transpose information (or "clues".)
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pretty sure there is no answer and that all of this is made up [censored] to stir senseless discussion
That would make you very clever for pointing it out!
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praxis,
i like your style, and i think you should keep posting here in OOT.
kindest regards,
bps
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If in 15 years only one person knows, what makes you think he'll tell now?
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praxis,
i like your style, and i think you should keep posting here in OOT.
kindest regards,
bps
Thanks BPS, ditto for you.
It's hard to post your ideas online, as they will inevitably be attacked at one point or another - but I'm just very recently getting over this fact
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pretty sure there is no answer and that all of this is made up [censored] to stir senseless discussion
That would make you very clever for pointing it out!
Why spend time figuring out a "clue" in something that will most likely never yield a true answer
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pretty sure there is no answer and that all of this is made up [censored] to stir senseless discussion
That would make you very clever for pointing it out!
Why spend time figuring out a "clue" in something that will most likely never yield a true answer
Wouldn't exercising your mind a bit, and having fun while doing so (for those of us who are capable) be more interesting than thinking up reasons to remain idle?
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The artist has a fear of dying alone and being forgotten. He fantasizes about spectacular ways in which he could be killed in public places surrounded by many people, particularly children who will be most deeply affected by witnessing his death and carry on his memory the longest. The painting represents one of those fantasies. The artist is pictured as the red smear trailing behind the middle sled.
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The artist has a fear of dying alone and being forgotten. He fantasizes about spectacular ways in which he could be killed in public places surrounded by many people, particularly children who will be most deeply affected by witnessing his death and carry on his memory the longest. The painting represents one of those fantasies. The artist is pictured as the red smear trailing behind the middle sled.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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The artist has a fear of dying alone and being forgotten. He fantasizes about spectacular ways in which he could be killed in public places surrounded by many people, particularly children who will be most deeply affected by witnessing his death and carry on his memory the longest. The painting represents one of those fantasies. The artist is pictured as the red smear trailing behind the middle sled.
This is deep
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pretty sure there is no answer and that all of this is made up [censored] to stir senseless discussion
That would make you very clever for pointing it out!
Why spend time figuring out a "clue" in something that will most likely never yield a true answer
Wouldn't exercising your mind a bit, and having fun while doing so (for those of us who are capable) be more interesting than thinking up reasons to remain idle?
Thats fine, but wouldn't you be disappointed if this turns out to be a hoax? That you are looking for a hint of a disorder in a picture where one does not even exist
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I'm guessing no.
He's probably praying this thread goes away, or coming up with the answer himself.
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pretty sure there is no answer and that all of this is made up [censored] to stir senseless discussion
That would make you very clever for pointing it out!
Why spend time figuring out a "clue" in something that will most likely never yield a true answer
Wouldn't exercising your mind a bit, and having fun while doing so (for those of us who are capable) be more interesting than thinking up reasons to remain idle?
Thats fine, but wouldn't you be disappointed if this turns out to be a hoax? That you are looking for a hint of a disorder in a picture where one does not even exist
You're still only searching for the negative things.
I have lost nothing, have I?
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pretty sure there is no answer and that all of this is made up [censored] to stir senseless discussion
I think that's the most likely, but also if it IS legit the answer will probably end up being extremely annoying and questionable.
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The horses leave no tracks. The snow should be torn up behind them. The noise should be their stomping hooves. The threat of their stomping has been eliminated in the picture by eliminating the proof in the snow that it ever happened.
The phobia? Fear of ... hmm. Being beaten to death or run over by horses? Fear of loud noises?
The red streak in the snow could play into that. It could be a very odd cape, too, but the other two (invisible) sleds don't show anyone with a bizarrely pointed cape trailing behind.
This fits the prof's admonition to think how the scene looked before. Before it looked untrampled, and it still does now. One fits, one doesn't.
Note that the blueish streaks on the ground are the same in front of and between the horses, untrodden territory, as they are behind the horses. Their passage over the earth has left no mark. Are they flying? Making no sound? Perhaps he's afraid of being ambushed or attacked, and the horses are almost like monsters.
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If you remove all the objects you have, what? A snowy hill and sky? What would proceed that, grass? Afraid of grass?
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The thunder of hoof beats are a sound of war. The painter thinks he's some historical figure destined to be defeated in combat.
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Paintings are not proof that people are insane. I bet this whole thing was just to stir up the pot, as in: "wow, if you believe he is insane, you will come up with all these shaky reasons why he might be insane".
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blarg,
i thought that too, but i think a sled being dragged behind the horses would remove many of the hoof prints and tramplings
edit: i am wrong, i went back and looked at the painting again and the snow looks like that in front of the horses too.
reedit: aw jeeze you put that in your post. i am a dumby with no reading comprehension skills 
the horses also kind of look like they are flying which might explain why the snow is untrampled?
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The left side and the right side are the alternate but similar worlds which are being viewed from different angles. The biggest difference between them is that the left has kids playing and a baby. The right has no youths. I think its some kind of abandonement/forgetting/kidnapping type phobia, the guy fantasizes about what the world would be like with no children, or if he wasn't born, or that his family would forget him if he was kidnapped..
Honestly examining this image makes me feel kind of creeped out and crazy.
I find the color pattern is also a bit strange, but I can't specifically describe what it is.
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There is nothing inside of the houses
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I think the person viewing the painting is insane because he thinks he can tell someone is insane by looking at their painting.
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The painting actual says "I am insane" in it, but you have to fold it like one of those Mad magazine back covers.
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can we please ban him already.
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[image]http://pics.livejournal.com/shaltai_baltai/pic/000042k1[/image]
Uhh?
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