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tipperdog
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Cong. Waxman's response
#7726699 - 10/19/06 12:49 PM

In case anyone cares...

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Dear Mr. [Tipperdog]:

Thank you for letting me know of your opposition to H.R.
4411, the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. I
appreciate your taking the time to write.

Only gambling activities that are specifically authorized by
the states are legal. Because no state authorizes internet gaming, it
is currently illegal in the U.S. and most gaming websites are based
offshore. As a result, there has been no regulatory oversight of the
integrity of the games or gambling by minors. In addition, federal
law enforcement agencies have indicated that these sites are
vulnerable to being used for money laundering, terrorist financing,
and other criminal activities.

The House of Representatives passed H.R. 4411 on July 11,
2006 by a vote of 317-90. An amended version, which directs the
Treasury Department and Federal Reserve to outline procedures
financial institutions can use to stop gambling-related financial
transactions, passed the House and Senate and was signed into law
on October 13.
While we disagree on the merits of this bill, I appreciate
having the benefit of your perspective and will be sure to keep
your view in mind should Congress revisit this issue in the future.

To learn more about my work in Congress or register for
periodic e-mail updates, please visit my website at
www.house.gov/waxman.

Thank you again for writing, and please keep in touch on
issues of concern.

With kind regards, I am

Sincerely,

Henry A. Waxman
Member of Congress.

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SlapPappy
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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: tipperdog]
#7726768 - 10/19/06 12:55 PM

"Only gambling activities that are specifically authorized by the states are legal. Because no state authorizes internet gaming, it is currently illegal in the U.S."

Why? Does the UIGEA specifically state that if a state doesn't authorize internet gaming then it is illegal? If it does then it is news to me. And I am pretty sure the Wire Act doesn't do so.

Edited by SlapPappy (10/19/06 12:56 PM)

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adios
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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: SlapPappy]
#7726942 - 10/19/06 01:08 PM

Obviously the statement you cite by Waxman is open to debate. Let's use some logic here:

"Only ______ activities that are specifically authorized by the states are legal. Because no state authorizes _______ activities, it is currently illegal in the U.S."

Fill in the blank with any activity a state does not specifically authorize. Then according to Waxman it must be illegal. If I play softball it must illegal since no state specifically authorized it. Apparently according to Waxman, internet poker is different than casino poker as well. Ok.....

It's the same bunk we've seen in posts from other Congressman.

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CountingMyOuts
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Reged: 04/15/06
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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: adios]
#7727033 - 10/19/06 01:15 PM

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose that you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain

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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: CountingMyOuts]
#7727084 - 10/19/06 01:19 PM

Quote:

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose that you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain

Great quote btw. The sad part is that the electorate is basically treated like idiots by their electors most of the time IMO. The responses from members of Congress posted here support that notion.

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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: CountingMyOuts]
#7727086 - 10/19/06 01:19 PM

Quote:

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose that you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain

LOL.

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Vern
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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: SlapPappy]
#7727622 - 10/19/06 01:57 PM

Quote:

"Only gambling activities that are specifically authorized by the states are legal. Because no state authorizes internet gaming, it is currently illegal in the U.S."

Why? Does the UIGEA specifically state that if a state doesn't authorize internet gaming then it is illegal? If it does then it is news to me. And I am pretty sure the Wire Act doesn't do so.

Most state's have a law or constitutional clause that says just that. Example, in NY it is the state's constitution:

Quote:

Article I

Sec. 9. 1.

No law shall be passed abridging the rights of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government, or any department thereof; nor shall any divorce be granted otherwise than by due judicial proceedings; except as hereinafter provided, no lottery or the sale of lottery tickets, pool-selling, book-making, or any other kind of gambling, except lotteries operated by the state and the sale of lottery tickets in connection therewith as may be authorized and prescribed by the legislature, the net proceeds of which shall be applied exclusively to or in aid or support of education in this state as the legislature may prescribe, and except pari-mutuel betting on horse races as may be prescribed by the legislature and from which the state shall derive a reasonable revenue for the support of government, shall hereafter be authorized or allowed within this state; and the legislature shall pass appropriate laws to prevent offenses against any of the provisions of this section.

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CountingMyOuts
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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: adios]
#7727967 - 10/19/06 02:23 PM

Quote:

Quote:

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose that you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain

Great quote btw. The sad part is that the electorate is basically treated like idiots by their electors most of the time IMO. The responses from members of Congress posted here support that notion.

Couldn't agree with you more on that...

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rcd
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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: tipperdog]
#7728021 - 10/19/06 02:27 PM

As a life long Democrat, I say: please vote AGAINST Waxman!

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CutCreator
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Re: Cong. Waxman's response [Re: CountingMyOuts]
#7728031 - 10/19/06 02:27 PM

Wish I were a congressman. I could just make declarations with no proof and no one to hold me accountable and then slip bills in where they dont belong.

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