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David Sklansky
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Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions
#4690750 - 02/09/06 06:35 AM

25-50 Blinds. Cash game. All players have about 20K in front of them. All players are journeyman pros. Under the gun makes it $200 with two kings. You are in the Big Blind and somehow know his hand. You have two aces. What will your average result be?

Also what would your average result be if you didn't know he has those two kings?

Please for now just give me two numbers. We will discuss it later.

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: David Sklansky]
#4690860 - 02/09/06 07:15 AM

-20k (if this guy's not among clowns who fold kk preflop HU)
-3k-3.5k

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: David Sklansky]
#4690873 - 02/09/06 07:19 AM

$14000
$6500

Germane.

Edited by VanVeen (02/09/06 07:20 AM)

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: VanVeen]
#4690893 - 02/09/06 07:27 AM

I think,

$15000

$9000

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: Vavavoom]
#4690898 - 02/09/06 07:28 AM

8k

4k

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: David Sklansky]
#4690908 - 02/09/06 07:32 AM

i'm not very good at math, so these are just shots in the dark, but i guess if i know he has KK, i would often stack him as long as no ace comes on the flop or turn, and i would only lose if he rivers a K. getting all 400bb's in without him suspecting that i have AA (or flopped a set on him with a lower pp) might be tricky, though. i'm going to say 10k, to account for the times he gets away from his kings, and the times we get a big chunk (or all of it) in by the turn and he rivers a set.

for the 2nd situation: about half the first, so 5k.

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: David Sklansky]
#4690965 - 02/09/06 07:50 AM

$9k

$3.5k

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: David Sklansky]
#4690979 - 02/09/06 07:53 AM

What is my image? What is his image? How aggressive does this game play?

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: David Sklansky]
#4690984 - 02/09/06 07:54 AM

15,000

7,500

Edited by KaneKungFu123 (02/09/06 07:55 AM)

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Re: Two Germaine Hypothetical Questions [Re: David Sklansky]
#4691008 - 02/09/06 08:01 AM

With $20k stacks and blinds of only $25/$50 I could see one getting away from KK preflop.
If I know he has KK I would make my PF RR bigger than usual so that his 3rd bet is larger.
Instead of a standard reraise between $700 and $800, maybe the total should be between $1500 and $2000, which might also lead the villain to think its more likely that you have AK instead of AA.

I can see atleast 80% of the time for the villain to reraise, so if my initial RR was to $1500, I could see villain going to $4500.

Now is it correct, to push or just call? Probably better to just call.
If you push, I can see a lot of players folding here, maybe even more than half the time if they have no reads. If you call and the flop does not come an ace. The pot is already $9k and his flop bet will pot commit him to call an all-in.

Furthermore if the flop comes a king, you can get away from the hand without losing anymore money.
If the flop comes an ace, you may still be able to get an extra 3k, and there is still nearly a ten percent chance that a king is turned or rivered.

If I didn't know he had KK I would still make my RR a little larger than usual b/c of the stacks being so large relative to the blinds. So maybe in the neighborhood of $1k total, then after he makes it $3k I would probably pump it up to $7.5k. After that its up to the villain.

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