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NJSP711
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5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR
#4653248 - 02/05/06 06:20 PM

5-10 NL at the Borgata in Atlantic City.

My image is solid, as I have shown down all the big ones, and gotten away with some timely moves.

I am in SB and dealt 7c7s. I have ~1600. Two limpers to an aggressive tricky player in the cutoff who makes it 50. This player has shown down a wide variety of hands, and is capable of raising late with any two. He has ~2200 in chips. One of the limpers(tight solid older man) calls, and we are three to the flop.

The flop is Ks, Qs, 7d.

I lead for 75(anyone not like this), I think the board is dangerous and I think anyone with any type of hand, even perhap the PFR with a draw will play back at me. Both players call.

I get 2 callers to the turn which is a Jc. I check (good/bad check?) fearing the PRF here. He bets out 175. I call. Am I correct to assume his range of hands is very large here? He can have any spade draw, KQ, AK, KJ, QJ, AJ. JT, but I am a bit worried because his bluffs have been small, not in large pots.

Anyway I call and the older guy folds. Now the river is the Js. I make sevens full and I check. I don't want to lead because I think although he hasnt shown any big bluffs, hes capable of making one, and could even move it in on the river with a flush over the top of a weak lead. He bets 250, I call and he shows down AsTc for broadway.

Anyway, is this a weak check call on the river? Up to how much can I call? Leading is out of the question right?

Im new to the forum, so thanks for any opinions. The person I was playing with seems to think it was a weak check on the river. And I think leading out only gets me raised by a better hand, and I still may have to fold to a raise from a worse hand, flush or broadway.

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creedofhubris
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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: NJSP711]
#4653418 - 02/05/06 06:55 PM

Vs. aggressive/tricky, you should be looking for ways to get all of your money in here.

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Grimstarr
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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: creedofhubris]
#4654172 - 02/05/06 08:54 PM

hmmmmmm - turn check is very interesting. it's something I would never have done in the past. I would have been thinking "I HAVE A SET, TIME TO GET IT ALL IN" and either led/3bet turn or c/r turn big. Since he WAS the pfr it is very likely that he has one of the bad four hands: KK QQ JJ or AT. c/c on turn puts you in BAD spot if an ace or ten hits or a flush card hits.

idk - tough spot (turn)

as played, I guess a c/c isn't all that bad on river since the reason why you c/c flop was because you thought you were behind to higher set or AT.

who folds turn?

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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: Grimstarr]
#4654863 - 02/05/06 10:24 PM

some1 just ban this guy, he is making me sick.

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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: flawless_victory]
#4654960 - 02/05/06 10:34 PM

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some1 just ban this guy, he is making me sick.

are you talking about me? is it because I don't know enough about high stakes poker?

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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: Grimstarr]
#4655120 - 02/05/06 10:52 PM

i was referring to the original poster, but i just read your post above and it is quite bad.

"who folds turn?"
jesus.

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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: flawless_victory]
#4655857 - 02/06/06 12:17 AM

so after leading turn, keep betting.. 2/3 pot.. you have to realize you will have hard time building pot by checking oop..and check raise is too strong

i'm not too sure about river line.. I think I like a lead, but I dont know what I'd do vs a raise...is it too weak to fold to river raise?

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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: NJSP711]
#4656057 - 02/06/06 12:36 AM

the only thing you should be worried about is with 150bb eff stacks you may have trouble getting paid OOP.

Bet 125 on flop. This should allow you to c/r all in on turn comfortably. The J on turn is about as un-scary a card as can be.

Betting every street is fine too.

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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: Allinlife]
#4656227 - 02/06/06 12:52 AM

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so after leading turn, keep betting.. 2/3 pot.. you have to realize you will have hard time building pot by checking oop..and check raise is too strong

i'm not too sure about river line.. I think I like a lead, but I dont know what I'd do vs a raise...is it too weak to fold to river raise?

"Two limpers to an aggressive tricky player in the cutoff who makes it 50. This player has shown down a wide variety of hands, and is capable of raising late with any two."

It's weak to fold to THIS GUY'S river raise.

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Re: 5-10 Bottom Full House v. PFR [Re: NJSP711]
#4656480 - 02/06/06 01:20 AM

there are 2 ways you can play this hand imo. my fave line here is check raising to like 550 or something relatively big, then shoving any turn. you will have a full pot size bet ready on the turn. another option is to make a real bet, something like 135 on the flop, and seeing what happens from there. im not sure i like that as much though on a board like this. its super action heavy, so im check raising big here 90% of the time.

as far as the weak lead goes, in a LIVE game if the players are at least relatively solid, they can make it 350 or so over yer raise and fold to a shove with a hand as strong as KQ here. i think by check raising big you almost disguise the strength of your hand. so many people try to pull off a weak lead to get the villian to raise, then shoving on him. check raise huge, shove any turn, you get all the chips. holla

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