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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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This is irrelevant because neither OU or USC is going, but even considering SOS, USC has a really bad loss (to Stanford) to take into account. OU only has a pedestrian bad loss (to Colorado) to consider.

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OU also lost to Texas Tech, who got beaten by all of Oklahoma State, Missouri, Colorado and Texas.

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Agreed. As I posted in the other thread, Hawaii has one less loss and a more impressive best victory(Boise St was ranked higher than Michigan) than OSU...why is Ohio St getting the nod?

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seriously, look at the rankings before you start spouting off idiocy. wisconsin is ranked 18 in bcs while boise is 25. hawaii simply does not have a more impressive victory.

add that osu also beat mich, psu, purdue, mich st and hawaii played no one on, albeit mediocre, level of those teams.

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Exactly. I mean, some people are dumb enough to vote for Hawaii to make the NC, but if you ask a rational person, isn't OSU basically Hawaii-lite? They lost to a 9-3 Illini team, and they didn't dominate seemingly average Michigan and Wisconsin teams. Is this really any different than what Hawaii did: playing a cake schedule, playing like [censored], and barely winning?

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Well, USC loss to [censored] STANFORD.

Also, you just plain wrong about OSU's schedule(56th in the country, Hawaii's is 142nd, USC 33rd) and their "barely winning". They beat Wisconsin 38-17 and held Michigan under 100 yards of total offense at Michigan.

So no, OSU is not Hawaii lite.

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Your biggest games of the year have been:

1. Beating an 8-4 team by 11 points
2. Losing to a BCS team
3. ???
4. Beating Columbus High School?

Stick OSU in the SEC, and then let's see how well they do.

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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This is irrelevant because neither OU or USC is going, but even considering SOS, USC has a really bad loss (to Stanford) to take into account. OU only has a pedestrian bad loss (to Colorado) to consider.

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OU also lost to Texas Tech, who got beaten by all of Oklahoma State, Missouri, Colorado and Texas.

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Okay? Texas Tech is a borderline top-25 team, and is 22 in Sagarin predictor. Stanford is in the bottom third of Div 1-A.

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Agreed. As I posted in the other thread, Hawaii has one less loss and a more impressive best victory(Boise St was ranked higher than Michigan) than OSU...why is Ohio St getting the nod?

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Because that's a ridiculously oversimplistic view of strength of schedule, accomplishment, and team strength? How about that OSU crushed most teams all year, while Hawaii had a very hard time with many very weak teams? And that OSU played a much harder (though overall still weak) schedule?

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If you don't think Hawaii has played enough tough teams, then put them in the title game against a tough team. That way, either way we'll know for sure. But if Hawaii doesn't get in, then we could have another Boise St situation where we truly don't know if they were the best team or not. Why would you rather not find out than find out if Hawaii is for real? I could understand your argument if there were many other deserving teams, but theres not so lets give the undefeated team a chance and see what happens. What happened to Boise St last year was a tragedy imo.

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Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech

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Sagarin rankings:

Texas Tech - 31
Colorado - 52
Stanford - 82

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Honestly, I'm sick and tired of focusing on "best win" or "worst loss." It's a [censored] 12-13 game schedule. Look at the whole [censored] thing.

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