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Not really surprised he took the job. It just makes sense. It's hard to win a title in LSU with such a hard schedule. The Big11Ten is super weak and a title from there might be for the taking.
Part of me likes it because I think Miles makes some awkward decisions and gambles too much. The other part of me doesn't like it for that same reason.
UPDATE: lol Michigan
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This isn't a sure thing just yet, keep it in the coaches thread.
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reports coming out that he signed an extension with LSU
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/index.html
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This isn't a sure thing just yet, keep it in the coaches thread.
EDIT: lol Michigan
Yes it is.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136391
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Yes it is.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136391
Not so fast my friend
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We should rename this thread "**Official Les Miles pwns Michigan For Saban-Sized Extension From LSU**"
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WTF is going on? Has there been a press conference or is one officially scheduled?
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wtf is happening...
hello brian kelly??
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WTF is going on? Has there been a press conference or is one officially scheduled?
According to Carty:
"A 1:45 p.m. press conference has been scheduled by LSU prior to today's Southeastern Conference title game between the Tigers and Tennessee to announce the new deal and its terms.
LSU will reportedly make Miles one of the highest-paid coaches in the country."
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136391
"LSU coach Les Miles will meet with the media at the Georgia Dome before the SEC Championship Game to announce that he is staying at LSU, a source told ESPN.com.
LSU associate athletic director Herb Vincent said Saturday morning that ESPN reports that Miles had accepted the head coaching position at Michigan were "inaccurate." Miles agreed to a contract extension Saturday with LSU."
[censored] Martin or Miles or ESPN for
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OK, but I'm watching ESPN/ABC and there has been no mention of this. Seems strange...I'm not 100% convinced this is a done deal yet.
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Yep, ESPN says Miles will meet with the media before the game today to announce he is staying. WTF is going on, lol. I guess it's time for me to start praying for Brian Kelly again, or maybe Tedford.
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Hmm...I wonder if it was Michigan or LSU, i.e. did Carr keep it from happening or did he turn down the job?
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OK, but I'm watching ESPN/ABC and there has been no mention of this. Seems strange...I'm not 100% convinced this is a done deal yet.
ESPN website is reporting Miles staying at LSU; ESPN News is reporting Miles is taking the Michigan job. Pretty much ESPN blows. I'm sure the website is 'more up to date' than ESPN News.
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Hmm...I wonder if it was Michigan or LSU, i.e. did Carr keep it from happening or did he turn down the job?
Or maybe Herbstreit just had a [censored] source.
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Yes it is.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136391
Not so fast my friend
espn>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mlive
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lolz @ ESPN
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Michigan gets the best end of this deal IMO. Not very impressed by Miles.
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Yeah get in line on the Miles is overrated bandwagon
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He's better than DeBord, which is about what we're left with right now.
C'mon Brian Kelly!
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If we hire DeBord I will cease to support Michigan.
Honestly I think the whole thing is kind of a crapshoot. When Nebraska hired Callahan it looked like a good hire. When tOSU hired Tressel the general reaction was "Jim WHO?" That said, I think it's pretty clear DeBord would be a disaster.
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DeBord couldnt win at Central.
it's going to be Brian Kelly IMO
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If we hire DeBord I will cease to support Michigan.
Honestly I think the whole thing is kind of a crapshoot. When Nebraska hired Callahan it looked like a good hire. When tOSU hired Tressel the general reaction was "Jim WHO?" That said, I think it's pretty clear DeBord would be a disaster.
Angelique Changelis (Michigan beat writer for Detroit News) was on ESPN News saying that Schiano, Jim Grobe and Gary Pinkel are now the favorites for the job. Says Kelly isn't really on the short list.
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I like Schiano, but he isn't much of a "Michigan Man", so I'm surprised to see him on the short list.
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And how did Miles screw over Michigan?
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Michigan would be better off without Les Miles
I've watched quite a bit of Miles... he is no better than Zook at game/clock management
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plus, Miles is a whiny baby and complaining to the press all the time
he should be a blogger
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I like Schiano, but he isn't much of a "Michigan Man", so I'm surprised to see him on the short list.
Schiano would be better than Miles IMO so I am shocked at this.
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I like Schiano, but he isn't much of a "Michigan Man", so I'm surprised to see him on the short list.
Schiano would be better than Miles IMO so I am shocked at this.
Being a "Michigan Man" is very, very important in Ann Arbor... more important than credentials really.
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I like Schiano, but he isn't much of a "Michigan Man", so I'm surprised to see him on the short list.
Schiano would be better than Miles IMO so I am shocked at this.
Being a "Michigan Man" is very, very important in Ann Arbor... more important than credentials really.
obviously...they hired Gary Moeller as head coach FFS
ironically, Bo was a tO$U man
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I like Schiano, but he isn't much of a "Michigan Man", so I'm surprised to see him on the short list.
Schiano would be better than Miles IMO so I am shocked at this.
Being a "Michigan Man" is very, very important in Ann Arbor... more important than credentials really.
obviously...they hired Gary Moeller as head coach FFS
ironically, Bo was a tO$U man
Bo was hired before it was the rivalry it was today.
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ironically, Bo was a tO$U man
The great ones redefine themselves by creating new traditions.
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I like Miles but don't LOVE him. While he is certainly suboptimal in his in game decision making, his batshit insanity makes up for this (he is so aggressive he sometimes makes the correct decision for the wrong reason -- and his apparent randomness in his decisions can simulate game theoretic optimality). However, he has kept the LSU program at a very high level, and it's hard to ask more of a coach than that.
I was won over by Miles after the 2005 season. Louisiana got hit with two hurricanes that year, and it SEVERLY disrupted the team.
I am not jumping on the "Miles sucks" bandwagon. When all factors are considered, he is considerably better than most college coaches IMO.
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I still think it's 98% he's staying at LSU, but that press conference was a little ambiguous. If you've seen the video (turn on ESPN News), then picture Miles being very pissed as he says this:
Miles: "There was misinformation on ESPN and I think it's imperative that I straighten it out. I'm the head coach at LSU, I will be the head coach at LSU, I have no interest in talking to anyone else. I have a championship game to play and I'm excited about the opportunity of my damn strong football team to play in it. And that's really all I'd like to say. It's unfortunate I had to address my team with this information this morning. With that being done, I think we'll be ready to play. There will be no questions for me; I represent me in this issue, please ask me after. I'm busy. Thank you very much, and have a great day."
No mention of extension. Chancellor wouldn't take questions.
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I like Schiano, but he isn't much of a "Michigan Man", so I'm surprised to see him on the short list.
Schiano would be better than Miles IMO so I am shocked at this.
Being a "Michigan Man" is very, very important in Ann Arbor... more important than credentials really.
obviously...they hired Gary Moeller as head coach FFS
ironically, Bo was a tO$U man
Bo was hired before it was the rivalry it was today.
It was still pretty damn important when he went there.
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great...so it seems that the entire SEC championship game will be filled with the Les Miles coaching talk....[censored] me
I wish there was a game where they just discussed the game
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And how did Miles screw over Michigan?
I don't know if it's fair to say he "screwed" over Michigan, but he's dropped hints he loves Michigan and it was his dream job, etc. If he really intended on staying at LSU, then he "screwed" over Michigan by using us as leverage for his big money extension. At least that's what the narrative is.
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Skip Bertman (LSU's AD) is claiming that Miles has agreed to a contract extension according to ABC.
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The press conference was super-weird. He didn't say "I signed an extension," he said "I don't want another job." Big difference.
This guy loves Michigan and the job will not open up again in his coaching lifetime. I'm not 100% convinced he's staying.
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CBS said that Bertman has stated that there is paperwork but nothing has been signed. Miles said a whole lot of nothing in that press conference. What a strange situation.
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he said "I don't want another job." Big difference.
He never said that. He said, "I don't want to talk to anybody else." Big difference there, too, really and I don't know exactly what him not really saying anything means.
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CBS said that Bertman has stated that there is paperwork but nothing has been signed. Miles said a whole lot of nothing in that press conference. What a strange situation.
Okay we have different media outlets stressing different details. This is indeed interesting. ABC = ESPN so perhaps they are trying to be consistent in their emphases. Hmmm.
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CBS said that Bertman has stated that there is paperwork but nothing has been signed. Miles said a whole lot of nothing in that press conference. What a strange situation.
lol today is going to be a shitshow. Miles is either a total donk for not closing the door on the Michigan in the press conference, or he's an evil genius trying to squeeze every last penny out of LSU since the deal isn't signed yet. I'm leaning towards the latter.
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CBS said that Bertman has stated that there is paperwork but nothing has been signed. Miles said a whole lot of nothing in that press conference. What a strange situation.
Okay we have different media outlets stressing different details. This is indeed interesting. ABC = ESPN so perhaps they are trying to be consistent in their emphases. Hmmm.
From ESPN's story:
"Coach Miles and the chancellor have already worked out a contract that they're happy with, but it hasn't been signed yet," Bertman said.
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Is it just assumed that Michigan won't/didn't offer a market contract ($2m+)?
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Is it just assumed that Michigan won't/didn't offer a market contract ($2m+)?
If Carty and the Angelique Changellis or whoever are to be believed, Bill Martin never got a chance to talk to him.
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Any chance that ESPN intentionally spread this misinformation to generate a breaking news story?
Seems to be a good way to create some interest and temporarily pop ratings up. Just a good old conspiracy theory.
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Cmon Tennessee, let's get that LSU vs Michigan Capital One bowl!
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I like Miles but don't LOVE him. While he is certainly suboptimal in his in game decision making, his batshit insanity makes up for this (he is so aggressive he sometimes makes the correct decision for the wrong reason -- and his apparent randomness in his decisions can simulate game theoretic optimality). However, he has kept the LSU program at a very high level, and it's hard to ask more of a coach than that.
made me laugh alot since i agree with alot of it. i think that miles makes some very questionable calls/decisions in terms of clock management.
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Cmon Tennessee, let's get that LSU vs Michigan Capital One bowl!
[censored] that i want it to be UF/illinois.
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I watched yesterday's press conference and Miles said that he would be speaking to Michigan after the SEC title game.
How the [censored] does this happen with Herbstreit kicking it off on Gameday this morning? I thought Desmond was part of the search committee??? Herbie wouldn't run with this without at least talking to Desmond, right? And wouldn't Desmond deny that it was a done deal because nobody involved wanted this story to break today? The whole thing makes no sense.
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Is it just assumed that Michigan won't/didn't offer a market contract ($2m+)?
Martin said last week that Michigan was willing to pay top dollar for it's next head coach and that doing so was something that would be a "culture change" for Michigan.
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Bo was a Miami, Ohio man
Cradle of Coaches FTW!!!
FWIW, Woody was a Miami, Ohio guy too.
Bo was a senior at Miami when Woody took over for Sid Gillman as head-coach.
Bo served as an asst to Woody at Ohio State but then went back to Miami as head coach from 63-68 and THEN took the Michigan job in 68.
Bo did not go directly from OSU to Michigan.
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Any chance that ESPN intentionally spread this misinformation to generate a breaking news story?
Seems to be a good way to create some interest and temporarily pop ratings up. Just a good old conspiracy theory.
Any chance Les Miles was the ESPN "source", so he could get a better extension? :-)
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Any chance that ESPN intentionally spread this misinformation to generate a breaking news story?
Seems to be a good way to create some interest and temporarily pop ratings up. Just a good old conspiracy theory.
Any chance Les Miles was the ESPN "source", so he could get a better extension? :-)
that's a Bill Self type move
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Any chance that ESPN intentionally spread this misinformation to generate a breaking news story?
Seems to be a good way to create some interest and temporarily pop ratings up. Just a good old conspiracy theory.
Any chance Les Miles was the ESPN "source", so he could get a better extension? :-)
that's a Bill Self type move
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Each Les press conference makes me hope he isn't our next coach more. He sounds retarded.
He makes most SEC fans very happy by staying. It's not like he is some amazing recruiter, the school recruits itself & they have almost complete control on a good High School football state. Not that I like looking at rankings in recruiting, but they have 20 guys this year & not a bunch of highly rated ones. Not impressed. They have the 2nd lowest rating per player in the top 15 on Rivals.
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Any chance that ESPN intentionally spread this misinformation to generate a breaking news story?
Seems to be a good way to create some interest and temporarily pop ratings up. Just a good old conspiracy theory.
No.
ESPN claiming it broke the initial Miles to LSU story is a joke. mgoblog and others had it yesterday.
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However, he has kept the LSU program at a very high level, and it's hard to ask more of a coach than that.
Honestly, I'm amazed that anyone wouldn't want him because of clock/game management. You have to grade that stuff on a curve since most coaches at every level suck at it. It's not like LSU is such an unreal program that they have to be an elite team every year.
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Outside looking in, the talent that LSU gets more than makes up for Les's weird in-game decisions.
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this whole thing is so weird. i just read an article at the Det free press that says Mich. reps and Les Miles reps had gone so far as discussing salary and staff, and then the LSU ad says Miles was never interested in Mich. wtf. sounds pretty interested to me.
i don't undestand why im having some hurt feelings right now. i wanted Les Miles here at Mich. although i truly beleive he is not a great coach, isn't that kind of weird? lol.
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However, he has kept the LSU program at a very high level, and it's hard to ask more of a coach than that.
Honestly, I'm amazed that anyone wouldn't want him because of clock/game management. You have to grade that stuff on a curve since most coaches at every level suck at it. It's not like LSU is such an unreal program that they have to be an elite team every year.
Right, I've made this point before, but 1) almost everyone screws up so it's not a great point to distinguish coaches and 2) it's a very very small part of coaching. It's very easy to evaluate, but it's much less important than playcalling, scheme, recruiting, and player development, the last of which in particular is quite hard for us to judge. But instead of saying "there's a lot that's hard to figure out", we just say "he did a bad thing in this one small area so he sucks" because we're sooper-smrt geniuses who know everything.
Not saying fans can't legitimately critique football decisions, but OTOH there's a lot of things we don't know or can't judge well and we should acknowledge it.
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Each Les press conference makes me hope he isn't our next coach more. He sounds retarded.
He makes most SEC fans very happy by staying. It's not like he is some amazing recruiter, the school recruits itself & they have almost complete control on a good High School football state. Not that I like looking at rankings in recruiting, but they have 20 guys this year & not a bunch of highly rated ones. Not impressed. They have the 2nd lowest rating per player in the top 15 on Rivals.
Translation: they have the number 14 rated recruiting class according to rivals.
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Honestly, I'm amazed that anyone wouldn't want him because of clock/game management. You have to grade that stuff on a curve since most coaches at every level suck at it. It's not like LSU is such an unreal program that they have to be an elite team every year.
on the plus side Miles is creative, aggressive, an excellent recruitor and good motivator. i always felt like if he came to Mich. we could improve some of his game theory stuff like game plan and time managment. im sure Lloyd would still be around. he basically brings all the components of coaching that Mich. is missing.
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Each Les press conference makes me hope he isn't our next coach more. He sounds retarded.
He makes most SEC fans very happy by staying. It's not like he is some amazing recruiter, the school recruits itself & they have almost complete control on a good High School football state. Not that I like looking at rankings in recruiting, but they have 20 guys this year & not a bunch of highly rated ones. Not impressed. They have the 2nd lowest rating per player in the top 15 on Rivals.
Translation: they have the number 14 rated recruiting class according to rivals.
Wait, so he's bad because he's going 10-2 with insane talent AND he sucks because he can't recruit that well (but is going 10-2 anyway)? I know you might not be saying both things but they're out there so...these aren't both right.
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Right, I've made this point before, but 1) almost everyone screws up so it's not a great point to distinguish coaches and 2) it's a very very small part of coaching. It's very easy to evaluate, but it's much less important than playcalling, scheme, recruiting, and player development, the last of which in particular is quite hard for us to judge. But instead of saying "there's a lot that's hard to figure out", we just say "he did a bad thing in this one small area so he sucks" because we're sooper-smrt geniuses who know everything.
Not saying fans can't legitimately critique football decisions, but OTOH there's a lot of things we don't know or can't judge well and we should acknowledge it.
QFT. Good thoughts. I agree 100%. That is why I think Les Miles is a GOOD coach (though not a great one), and if he does stay at LSU, I will be happy.
Taking a team that whose lives had been totally disrupted by two huge bitches in 2005 (Katrina and Rita), and still pulling off a GOOD 2 loss season, and a very convincing victory over Miami in the Peach Bowl -- that was just a damn fine coaching job IMO.
And TFG: You should know that LSU is poaching Gator recruiting territory in Florida. We are also starting to take over East Texas. Yes, Miles is a very fine recruiter.
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The thing I don't understand about this entire affair is where Herbstreit got his info. It sure doesn't sound like something the Michigan AD would ever do. They *usually* run a much tighter ship than that. It's unfortunate, too, because it makes it look all the more embarrassing for Michigan. It *looks like* we offered Miles, he accepted, information became public, he got pissed (or LSU dumped even more $$$ on him) and did a U-turn. But I really doubt that's the case, especially if you believe Carty and the other Michigan beat writers who claim Martin never talked to Miles.
I realize there's so much behind-the-scenes stuff we never see. But the 'agreement' and the Herbstreit leak are not at all within the character of this athletic department. You'd have to think Herbstreit (if he's going to announce on GameDay like that with so much certainty) got his info from one of three camps: Michigan AD, LSU AD, or Miles's camp. But it just doesn't sound like something the Michigan AD would do. Maybe I'm wrong.
I suppose Occam's razor would suggest that Herbstreit isn't any kind of journalist and probably just reported [censored] he heard from someone not at all close to the situation.
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Each Les press conference makes me hope he isn't our next coach more. He sounds retarded.
He makes most SEC fans very happy by staying. It's not like he is some amazing recruiter, the school recruits itself & they have almost complete control on a good High School football state. Not that I like looking at rankings in recruiting, but they have 20 guys this year & not a bunch of highly rated ones. Not impressed. They have the 2nd lowest rating per player in the top 15 on Rivals.
Translation: they have the number 14 rated recruiting class according to rivals.
They also have the worst class among the top 14.
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Each Les press conference makes me hope he isn't our next coach more. He sounds retarded.
He makes most SEC fans very happy by staying. It's not like he is some amazing recruiter, the school recruits itself & they have almost complete control on a good High School football state. Not that I like looking at rankings in recruiting, but they have 20 guys this year & not a bunch of highly rated ones. Not impressed. They have the 2nd lowest rating per player in the top 15 on Rivals.
Translation: they have the number 14 rated recruiting class according to rivals.
They also have the worst class among the top 14.
However, among classes not ranked in the top 13, we have the best recruiting class.
It's good to clear these things up.
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so now we are back to ferentz?
Probably should just ignore things MSM is reporting as far as rumors. Not a good track record today.
I say we give up, go Ivy, and say "gg college athletics". If we're going to half-ass this crap then why bother? Pay top dollar, don't mess around, or go home.
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Okay. CBS just aired a quick talk between their interview chick and Les Miles that happened after the press conference. He said again, "I'm the coach at LSU, I'm going to be the coach at LSU." She said, "Next year?" and he said, "Yes, I'm going to be the coach at LSU next year."
I guess that's that.
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I say we give up, go Ivy, and say "gg college athletics". If we're going to half-ass this crap then why bother? Pay top dollar, don't mess around, or go home.
If we hired DeBord or Ferentz, this isn't a bad idea.
I still <3 the hockey program. Last night's game not so much though.
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Okay. CBS just aired a quick talk between their interview chick and Les Miles that happened after the press conference. He said again, "I'm the coach at LSU, I'm going to be the coach at LSU." She said, "Next year?" and he said, "Yes, I'm going to be the coach at LSU next year."
I guess that's that.
Their bowl game should be next year. Technically.
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Did any Michigan fans even want Les Miles?
Given the oft-stated alternatives...yes
If it were between Stoops, Spurrier, Meyer, and Miles, obviously Miles is 4th on the list.
If it's between Ferentz, DeBord, English and Miles...then Miles is 1st on the list.
Unfortunately for Michigan fans, the 2nd list of potential candidates is the one being bandied about.
Brian Kelly one time please.
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Each Les press conference makes me hope he isn't our next coach more. He sounds retarded.
He makes most SEC fans very happy by staying. It's not like he is some amazing recruiter, the school recruits itself & they have almost complete control on a good High School football state. Not that I like looking at rankings in recruiting, but they have 20 guys this year & not a bunch of highly rated ones. Not impressed. They have the 2nd lowest rating per player in the top 15 on Rivals.
Translation: they have the number 14 rated recruiting class according to rivals.
Right, but 14 would not be a bad thing if they didn't have 20 guys committed 
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As a UC alum, season ticket holder and Michigan hater Brian Kelly in my opinion is the best option. He is a proven winner at every level and is in the same mold of a Jim Tressel. With respect to winning at all levels not in coaching strategy or game management. He runs a gimmicky offence and has made some very shaky game management calls at UC this year. His type of offense does not seem to fit the mold of a typical top tier Big ten team but his offense may change as his talent pool increases.
I am rooting for the Iowa coach so Michigan can have another Carr clone. If they do hire the Iowa coach Michigan can expect another 5-10 years of Tressel dominance. Regardless of who the new coach is Miles just sucked the life out of any momentum Michigan had coming. The new coach will have a big hill to climb to gain any equity against TOSU.
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Right, but 14 would not be a bad thing if they didn't have 20 guys committed
Trindon Holiday. Jacob Hester. Both 2*s.
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Right, but 14 would not be a bad thing if they didn't have 20 guys committed
Trindon Holiday. Jacob Hester. Both 2*s.
Right, which is why I prefaced my response saying that recruiting rankings/stars are kind of silly. It's somewhat consensus that LSU has got the guys they want but are being looked at strangely for some of the guys. Just thought that I would point out it's not really hard to recruit at a lot of schools so I would be worried about some of Les' in-game decisions just as I would about a bunch of others.
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Okay. CBS just aired a quick talk between their interview chick and Les Miles that happened after the press conference. He said again, "I'm the coach at LSU, I'm going to be the coach at LSU." She said, "Next year?" and he said, "Yes, I'm going to be the coach at LSU next year."
I guess that's that.
Right, because coaches never, ever, ever lie about this stuff.
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Okay. CBS just aired a quick talk between their interview chick and Les Miles that happened after the press conference. He said again, "I'm the coach at LSU, I'm going to be the coach at LSU." She said, "Next year?" and he said, "Yes, I'm going to be the coach at LSU next year."
I guess that's that.
"Miles in December 2004, after he received a contract extension at Oklahoma State:
“When I say I'm really happy here, I really am. I don't want to be looked at as (being) in a part-time spot. You got me? I just want you to know – this is a place I want to be. I don't want to talk about anything else, just to let you know.”
A week later, he left for LSU."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/blogs/weblog.aspx?column_id=8
Third post down. I don't think Miles is above lying about this for a few days...
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Okay. CBS just aired a quick talk between their interview chick and Les Miles that happened after the press conference. He said again, "I'm the coach at LSU, I'm going to be the coach at LSU." She said, "Next year?" and he said, "Yes, I'm going to be the coach at LSU next year."
I guess that's that.
"Miles in December 2004, after he received a contract extension at Oklahoma State:
“When I say I'm really happy here, I really am. I don't want to be looked at as (being) in a part-time spot. You got me? I just want you to know – this is a place I want to be. I don't want to talk about anything else, just to let you know.”
A week later, he left for LSU."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/blogs/weblog.aspx?column_id=8
Third post down. I don't think Miles is above lying about this for a few days...
Hes not coming, Mich would not play these types of shenanigans or would be part of it. Les is an attention whore, the opposite of what Mich wants.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Herbstreit just came on ESPN and said that he is VERY confident in his sources, and that one of two things could have happened:
a) LSU gave Miles a ridiculous contract that he just could not turn down and beat Michigan to the punch.
b) this saga is not over.
I find it hard to believe that Herby would reiterate how confident he is in his sources on TV. Why not just rescind his comment if its not true?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Herbstreit just came on ESPN and said that he is VERY confident in his sources, and that one of two things could have happened:
a) LSU gave Miles a ridiculous contract that he just could not turn down and beat Michigan to the punch.
b) this saga is not over.
I find it hard to believe that Herby would reiterate how confident he is in his sources on TV. Why not just rescind his comment if its not true?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
wowowowowowow
this thing is far from over...
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Stephen Ross should just throw 10 million/year at Bob Stoops. Please.
Or Bill Davidson or Tom Monahaghn. Or any of our other rich alums. C'mon, our basketball team just lost to Harvard. The AD needs some help - STAT!
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C'mon, our basketball team just lost to Harvard.
Amaker's Revenge
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Michigan should just throw 10 million/year at Bob Stoops. Please.
That would be more than worth it
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Herbstreit just came on ESPN and said that he is VERY confident in his sources, and that one of two things could have happened:
a) LSU gave Miles a ridiculous contract that he just could not turn down and beat Michigan to the punch.
b) this saga is not over.
I find it hard to believe that Herby would reiterate how confident he is in his sources on TV. Why not just rescind his comment if its not true?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
wowowowowowow
this thing is far from over...
Listening to this LSU post-game press-conference...it sure sounds about over. Just said, flat out, he won't talk to us.
Not verbatim but something like this...
Reporter: "you left a little wiggle room..."
Miles: "there's no wiggle room. I'm certain. I can't take another job if I don't talk to anyone. I love it here, it's good to be home".
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Now he's taking shots at ESPN/Herbstreit. Says he felt bad for Michigan something so untrue was reported.
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Initial thought is that this reveals Miles as a scumbag. Will change this opinion if evidence is presented.
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Initial thought is that this reveals Miles as a scumbag. Will change this opinion if evidence is presented.
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People need to realize that there are millions of dollars involved for agents and coaches, as well as TV ratings. The truth isn't really a prioirity when reporting these coaching rumors.
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People need to realize that there are millions of dollars involved for agents and coaches, as well as TV ratings. The truth isn't really a prioirity when reporting these coaching rumors.
yep...you never find out the truth unless your the coach, AD, or agent involved
even then, it's a one-sided story
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Herbstreit gets in a little dig at Miles on the ABC broadcast of the BigXII Champ game:
Musberger: "Miles said no wiggle room...Miles would have to walk on the same branch that Saban did to get to Ann Arbor at this point."
Herbstreit: "Or the same thing Miles did to Oklahoma State".
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Herbstreit's exact quote just now on the Missouri broadcast:
"I still feel very confident that somebody close to the situation said he was gonna go to Michigan."
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Initial thought is that this reveals Miles as a scumbag. Will change this opinion if evidence is presented.
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For Herbie to go on the air, there had to be some legitimate source. I find it hard to believe there was no Miles/UM negotiation and it seems to me he leveraged UM to get more money.
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Initial thought is that this reveals Miles as a scumbag. Will change this opinion if evidence is presented.
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For Herbie to go on the air, there had to be some legitimate source. I find it hard to believe there was no Miles/UM negotiation and it seems to me he leveraged UM to get more money.
idk, espn has been on the path to journalistic sensationalism for a while now
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From the press conference:
"I'll always be a Michigan Man. I'm not going there."
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From the press conference:
"I'll always be a Michigan Man. I'm not going there."
strangely enough... this either makes me
a) really admire him for not coming to UM and sticking to his word
b) thinking he's a real scumbag while he takes our job
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From the press conference:
"I'll always be a Michigan Man. I'm not going there."
strangely enough... this either makes me
a) really admire him for not coming to UM and sticking to his word
b) thinking he's a real scumbag while he takes our job
what a paradox
If it becomes apparent that he was secretly negotiating with Michigan in order to leverage more dollars out of LSU while having no intention of taking our job, then I vote to take away his Michigan Man membership card.
Given that LSU is probably headed to the national title game and he's made several blanket denials he'll leave LSU, I've conceded it's time to move on and start fawning over another candidate. Brian Kelly is looking like a longshot because of resume issues. Tedford is similarly unlikely and has had some of the shine taken away after the 1-6 finish to this season.
I guess Schiano is now the most appealing of the 'likely' candidates, although I'll admit I don't even know who the 'likely' candidates are anymore.
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I think its pretty sad that we essentially have to settle for a bunch of 2nd tier candidates. WTF, it's Michigan!
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I think its pretty sad that we essentially have to settle for a bunch of 2nd tier candidates. WTF, it's Michigan!
There's the fundamental issue of institutional conservatism to deal with. I think the job is generally 'appealing' -- there's no reason a decent coach wouldn't come here.
But there aren't a whole lot of coaches who the Athletic Department would consider a good "fit" here. Some schools with Michigan's resources would probably try to drive a truck full of money up to Spurrier's or Stoop's doorstep and convince them to come; not Michigan. That's obviously not how the AD operates (Beilein hire sort of excluded). Some school's would look past the questionable issues on Brian Kelly's resume. Apparently, not Michigan. There's a finite amount of coaches who are proven winners at the collegiate level and who are compatible with what the AD are looking for. Unfortunately, none of them are particularly "sexy". The Detroit News Michigan beat writer listed the probable top-5 candidates, and that list includes Jim Grobe, Tom O'Brien, and Gary Pinkel. Yaaawn. Martin said his ideal candidate would be to clone Lloyd. But I agree with you: if our list is Ferentz, Grobe, O'Brien and Pinkee, we may as well just see if Lloyd's available to rehire, because these guys are 2nd or 3rd tier at best.
Obviously the day's Miles drama + OSU getting into the national title game + realization we don't have any great Plan B's after Miles + basketball team losing to Amaker's Harvard team = bad night, so maybe I'm overly pessimistic right now. The day's action also probably means Michigan is headed to the Cap One bowl (good), but it also means we're probably going to play Florida (bad). I assume we're something like 2 TD dogs in that matchup.
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Love it when the ESPN guys keep mentioning Herbstreit reported Miles to Michigan.
"Hey, it was the blond guy! Not our fault!"
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Miles' tone is sooooo similar to Bo...eerie
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mitch albom puts this situation into good perspective.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071201/COL01/71201027&imw=Y
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I wouldn't blame Miles if he is outrigtht lying about not going to Michigan. You expect him to disrupt his team before the sec championship and possibly a national championship. Michigan is one that handled this bad.
As far as Herbstreit is concerned, do you expect him to say oops I ran with something I shouldn't have.
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