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JSampras1
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Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board
      #13195836 - 12/01/07 12:46 AM

Villain had just sat down, so i didn't really have useful info on him. I'm not sure if i reraised enough with KK. Still, it got it heads up, and he's got a large amount of his stack in.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($28.65)
CO ($8.25)
Button ($43.45)
Hero ($56.50)
BB ($28.70)
UTG ($20.25)
MP1 ($9.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Button raises to $2, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls $5.

Flop: ($15.50) T, Q, J (2 players)
Hero ???

This has to be the worst possible flop. I'm now losing to AA, QQ, JJ, TT, AK. I don't have any info on the guy, but the only hands i'm beating right now are AQ or something like 99. But would he call the reraise with those hands?

If I bet the pot, and get pushed, I have a problem, because i have an OESD and i'd be getting huge odds. I'm like 35% vs a set, but drawing dead to AK. If i bet and get pushed, I'm an underdog for my stack, but i still have to call.

But i really don't want to fold. And i guess he could be playing crap, and he just folds. I really don't want to check/fold, but i couldn't figure out the best action here.


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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: JSampras1]
      #13195871 - 12/01/07 12:49 AM

Quote:

But would he call the reraise with those hands?





probably

its not a great spot but you are pretty much committed


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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: bottomset]
      #13197756 - 12/01/07 05:06 AM

I'd start by checking and hoping to see a free turn.

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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: JSampras1]
      #13198346 - 12/01/07 07:25 AM

Relax dude you have $7 invested and you certainly don't want to be playing for stacks on this board vs any competent players. Check the flop and slow the hand down.

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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: ClubChamp04]
      #13198809 - 12/01/07 09:29 AM

Checking is not bad, because villain ia also likely to be scared on this board, and may suspect you are slowplaying AK.

I would look to make value with a check/call on the flop, looking for check check onthe turn and a thin value bet on the river.


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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: RiverMustelid]
      #13199642 - 12/01/07 11:43 AM

I actually checked, villain bet $10. I thought about it, and folded. Do you think this is terrible as played? I don't have odds to draw to the straight, the K makes any 9 or A a straight, and if he's betting he's probably pushing the turn, which i can't call.

Was just wondering if i messed up.


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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: JSampras1]
      #13200252 - 12/01/07 12:42 PM

I think you're probably okay folding. The worst hand he bets here is likely to be AQ, and as you noted you're behind everything else by a pretty long shot. With these stack sizes I like a disciplined fold (though I probably bet and curse when he shoves). As ClubChamp noted, you've only got 7 bucks in.

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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: DrMega]
      #13200338 - 12/01/07 12:50 PM

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As ClubChamp noted, you've only got 7 bucks in.


but then again that's ridiculous thinking. Think that the pot has x amount of $$$ and you want it and how to go about getting it or if you can get it. I think this is a pretty [censored] up spot where it could go either way with a read. The fact that this also looks like he was isolating limpers from the button and called a reraise from a blind makes me think he doesn't have a reasonable range of hands. His range could be something like this against typical people at this level...

249,480 games 0.047 secs 5,308,085 games/sec

Board: Tc Js Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.521% 43.69% 04.83% 108990 12060.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 51.479% 46.65% 04.83% 116370 12060.00 { TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }

even putting his range tighter this is a b/c
213,840 games 0.016 secs 13,365,000 games/sec

Board: Tc Js Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.963% 40.93% 03.03% 87528 6483.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 56.037% 53.01% 03.03% 113346 6483.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }


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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: Chargers In 07]
      #13202771 - 12/01/07 03:57 PM

Gimme a break, Chargers. Only a donk felts AQ here.

Board: Jc Tc Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.666% 23.58% 03.09% 35715 4676.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 73.334% 70.25% 03.09% 106403 4676.00 { AA, QQ-TT, AKs, AcQc, KQs, AKo }


This range is pretty loose IMO. You played the hand fine OP.


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Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board [Re: AllTheCheese]
      #13202887 - 12/01/07 04:03 PM

If you bet $12 on the flop and he shoves you need 27.77% equity to call. So he needs AQ or worse 1.1% of the time to b/c. Adding in if he'll call KQo then it's an easy call because KQo felts this flop.

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