 adanthar
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http://www.point-spreads.com/poker/102207-absolute-poker-super-user-scams-7-million.html
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Point-Spreads.com sources in Costa Rica are claiming the Absolute Poker Super-User account scam has been going on for three years and the actual amount that was skimmed from online poker players is estimated at close to $7 million, not the 700k amount that was previously reported. The actual amount is still unknown as an internal audit is underway.
A former employee of Absolute Poker confirmed to Point-Spreads.com that the security department at AP suspected something years ago and we're told it was just the owners testing out the system and to forget about it.
Our sources have confirmed that Scott Tom was using the Super-User to sit at tables as an "observer" as online poker player PotRipper would join the tournaments and Scott would tell him what cards people have so they can win the tourney and split the money. PotRipper is Alan “AJ” Green, formerly of Nine.com and the now former Operations Director for Absolute Poker. Point-Spreads.com has learned AJ’s real name but has chosen to withhold it at this time. [Super Modnote Hint: Allan Grimard] AJ is pictured with Gambling911.com's sexy reporter Jenny Woo at an expensive dinner in Amsterdam back in 2005.
Where did the $7 million go? On September 3rd, 2007 a small jet plane caught on fire before taking off on the runway at San Jose Juan Santamaria International Airport in Costa Rica. The two passengers on the private jet were Scott Tom and his pregnant wife. His wife was rushed to the hospital to make sure everything was alright with the baby. The plane's destination was Colombia and the rumored cargo on the plane was $2-3M in cash. Officials at Absolute Poker confirmed to Point-Spreads.com that Tomm was on the jet, however, deny any money was onboard.
While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills. Were the bills in the photo proceeds from the Absolute Poker Super-User scam? AJ joined the Absolute Poker team approximately one month before Nine.com left Costa Rica for Curacao. While living in Costa Rica, AJ bought a house in Escazu outright with cash and no one questioned how a guy making $50k a year could do that. He invested $100k into Absolute Poker and became a shareholder of the online poker giant, still no on questioned where he came up with the cash. Could it have come from the Super-User scam? We would love to ask AJ that question, but apparently he is on the lam.
At this point, AJ Green has earned the title of the most disliked person in the history of internet gambling? Apparently he was so disliked by his own employees that they blew the whistle on him and the whole scam but the real people that are pissed at him are all of the people pushing for legitimizing the internet gambling industry at its most needed hour. Not to mention, the online poker players he stole from.
edit: to be 100% clear, this could well all be made up, but hey, AP drama's always welcome here in BBV
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tarheeljks
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quite the wrinkle
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mother_brain
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in early 
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While living in Costa Rica, AJ bought a house in Escazu outright with cash and no one questioned how a guy making $50k a year could do that. He invested $100k into Absolute Poker and became a shareholder of the online poker giant, still no on questioned where he came up with the cash.
Seems their initial investment in AP greatly increased their networth but the superuser abuse helped to provide cashflow for a lavish lifestyle. This would explain the questions people were asking of why such rich people would take such a risk.
This sound right?
Edited by mother_brain (10/23/07 12:01 AM)
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apefish
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RIGGED EDITED TO CANNONBALL DAMMIT
Edited by apefish (10/22/07 11:58 PM)
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ikestoys
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Also, seems a little sensationalist imo, but who knows at this point
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gumpzilla
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So wait, the idea is that POTRIPPER and all was because they were in a hurry to get the money back? Awesome.
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adanthar
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I can confirm 0% of this but I would not be the least bit surprised
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niss
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Why is it that most people who write about gambling on the internet write so poorly? It would help the credibility of these articles if they were written in something that did not resemble a junior high school creative writing assignment.
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KhalynYohrk
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This is deep, what are the chances cheated players will recieve money from abolute if the true number is close to this new 7 million mark?
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emmpee
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Can anyone speak to the, uh, reliability of point-spreads.com? The content seems quite out of place on the site.
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NLfool
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2-3 million in cash going to colombia? I think our hopes that the law might play a role in this thing just took a turn for the better
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adanthar
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This is deep, what are the chances cheated players will recieve money from abolute if the true number is close to this new 7 million mark?
100%. buuuuuuuut...how many of the cheated accounts have not logged on in years and will never see the money?
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apefish
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agreed- when I posted the link I made a disclaimer, but at this point I honestly don't care much and it is "news" of sorts in the sense it's being circulated.
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adanthar
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agreed- when I posted the link I made a disclaimer, but at this point I honestly don't care much and it is "news" of sorts in the sense it's being circulated.
yeah, whether it's real or not, it's a dramabomb and we all know every AP thread must have a dramabomb in it!
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Al_Money
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The whole plane exploding with $2-3M on it sounds kinda sketchy, but who knows.
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mother_brain
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agreed- when I posted the link I made a disclaimer, but at this point I honestly don't care much and it is "news" of sorts in the sense it's being circulated.
yeah, whether it's real or not, it's a dramabomb and we all know every AP thread must have a dramabomb in it!
Plus it seems to match up very well with the info we have. Which hasn't exactly been done by any of APs versions of the story.
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PartyGirlUK
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adanthar how confident are you that the AP people are going to look into all use of superuser accounts throughout the past few years? and report ALL findings?
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holy crap, they could make a movie out of this..
New Avatars anyone?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...=3#Post12608929
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R*R
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[censored] WOW
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adanthar
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adanthar how confident are you that the AP people are going to look into all use of superuser accounts throughout the past few years? and report ALL findings?
pulling a completely random figure out of thin air, 80%
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ebepse
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so it was grimstarr all along
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Vega33
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I'd like to see this guy handle the AP audit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG5Qk-jB0D4
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adanthar how confident are you that the AP people are going to look into all use of superuser accounts throughout the past few years? and report ALL findings?
pulling a completely random figure out of thin air, 80%
And if they don't, what are the odds that you and Nat find out they missed something?
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NLfool
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so if you lost money that paid for Jenny Woo's implants can you choose alternatives forms of reimbursment that were derived from your money?
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ikestoys
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so it was grimstarr all along
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scpi10
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$7 mil, wow, this AP stuff never ends.
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GaryTheGoat
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It appears to be the most accurate reporting on Absolute Poker Scandal to date but is incomplete imo.
gg
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imabigdeal
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this sounds vv believeable
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mother_brain
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admo?
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Why is it that most people who write about gambling on the internet write so poorly? It would help the credibility of these articles if they were written in something that did not resemble a junior high school creative writing assignment.
Seriously. I mean, if you're breaking a story about a 7 million dollar theft, you think you could cut the references to gambling911's sexy Jenny Woo, at least make an attempt to come off as reputable and professional.
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apefish
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New pic??
"AJ Green" leaning back with arms together in middle.
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ikestoys
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Why is it that most people who write about gambling on the internet write so poorly? It would help the credibility of these articles if they were written in something that did not resemble a junior high school creative writing assignment.
Seriously. I mean, if you're breaking a story about a 7 million dollar theft, you think you could cut the references to gambling911's sexy Jenny Woo, at least make an attempt to come off as reputable and professional.
I'm pretty sure they aren't competing with Time Magazine guys...
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okietalker
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This sounds like the most believable version to date.
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The 13th 4postle
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Bank run on AP starting Now!!!! TMO....
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DEAD ON IMPACT
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If the superusers go back several years, it's going to take FOREVER for us to get our money back considering all of the HH and whatever else they will be looking at to reimburse us. Have any of the statements they've given us have they stated how long or an estimate it would take to get players money back?
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thirstyforwater
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New pic??
"AJ Green" leaning back with arms together in middle.
Quality pieces of meat.
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SeriousStudent
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Look closely, you can see the bricks of gold shimmering in the copilot side window...
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=N726JR
I found only one other Sabreline tire punctue accident in the last 10 years, and all occupants were killed in that one. The main gears are very close together in a Sabreliner, so a tire failure makes the aircraft extremely difficult to control.
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SukitTrebek
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if this is true, we just jumped from Freakonomics blog to 60 minutes.
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primetime32
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If the superusers go back several years, it's going to take FOREVER for us to get our money back considering all of the HH and whatever else they will be looking at to reimburse us. Have any of the statements they've given us have they stated how long or an estimate it would take to get players money back?
Presuming this is even true, there is no way anyone gets their money back from 3 years ago.
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Synergistic Explosions
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I guess we know why they had reload bonuses 10 times a month.
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boohaa12
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I will laugh at you forever Ike, "the man who swore it was impossible last week that any of this could occured before august without proof" forever. lol
still dont have proof but like i said last week? Can we be so niave to think this only started a month ago?...
i think not. we have been cheated for quiet a long time.
(will post more when audit is completed.)
ps: call me a troll again please.
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waveydavey
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2-3 million in cash going to colombia? I think our hopes that the law might play a role in this thing just took a turn for the better
I can't imagine what you could buy in Columbia for $2-3M.
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ikestoys
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Look closely, you can see the bricks of gold shimmering in the copilot side window...
lol youre leveling right?
right?
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R*R
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New pic??
"AJ Green" leaning back with arms together in middle.
Quality stakes. wtf.
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primetime32
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Look closely, you can see the bricks of gold shimmering in the copilot side window...
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=N726JR
I found only one other Sabreline tire punctue accident in the last 10 years, and all occupants were killed in that one. The main gears are very close together in a Sabreliner, so a tire failure makes the aircraft extremely difficult to control.
Six people were in the plane and fortunately only one person had to be taken to the hospital, a pregnated woman.
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livecards
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It appears that this most recent story is getting closer to the truth, imo. Does anyone know AJ's educational background? Where did he go to college? What were his major(s) and/or minor(s)?
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primetime32
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Remarks: First, I apologize for the quality. While departing to Cartagena, Colombia, this Sabreliner had a tyre puncture and aborted the take off. When the pilot noticed it wouldn't stop, he steered it to the right of the runway and after a 180º spin, came to rest next to RWY 25's treshold on the grass. Six people were in the plane and fortunately only one person had to be taken to the hospital, a pregnated woman. Very lucky for having caught this. And by the way, new for the DB.
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ikestoys
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I will laugh at you forever Ike, "the man who swore it was impossible last week that any of this could occured before august without proof" forever. lol
still dont have proof but like i said last week? Can we be so niave to think this only started a month ago?...
i think not. we have been cheated for quiet a long time.
(will post more when audit is completed.)
ps: call me a troll again please.
well, you are a troll, irregardless of whether or not this proves to be correct.
All I stated was that I had no reason to suspect I was personally being cheated when I was winning at such a high rate. I still have no reason to suspect I was cheated before Doubldrag. This article, although very troubling, is far from a gold standard of journalism, and should be taken with a grain of salt.
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NLfool
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It appears that this most recent story is getting closer to the truth, imo. Does anyone know AJ's educational background? Where did he go to college? What were his major(s) and/or minor(s)?
the names potripper, pot-XXXX etc should give you a clue. It was Agriculture of something. And it seems like he might have defaulted on a school loan. Someone posted a link look for his previous name
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mother_brain
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Photographer:
César Badilla
Costa Rican Spotters
Contact César Badilla
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WhiteCake
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absolute power corrupts, absolutely
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boohaa12
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you said any super user cheating of any kind. dont make me quote. gg (thx for letting us know you were winning at a "high rate")
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R*R
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It appears that this most recent story is getting closer to the truth, imo. Does anyone know AJ's educational background? Where did he go to college? What were his major(s) and/or minor(s)?
I believe he is from Canada. The Ottawa area I believe. Not a far drive form Kahanwake coincidently.
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mntbikr15
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Several players at a 15/30 table have just recieved the same amount of 538 dollars refunded to their accounts
Talk that its only from tournies though, so no cash game progress yet I suppose
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ikestoys
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come [censored] on transfer... go through already dammit
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NLfool
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come [censored] on transfer... go through already dammit
First time I've heard a poker player say don't hold 1 time. LOL regardless of what happened you deserve to get your money in full
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teddyFBI
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It appears that this most recent story is getting closer to the truth, imo. Does anyone know AJ's educational background? Where did he go to college? What were his major(s) and/or minor(s)?
I believe he is from Canada. The Ottawa area I believe. Not a far drive form Kahanwake coincidently.
Source?
Where does this info come from?
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ikestoys
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come [censored] on transfer... go through already dammit
First time I've heard a poker player say don't hold 1 time. LOL regardless of what happened you deserve to get your money in full
my whole roll has been on the way out for 1.5 weeks now, moving 6 figures doesn't happen quickly though.
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GaryTheGoat
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Several players at a 15/30 table have just recieved the same amount of 538 dollars refunded to their accounts
Talk that its only from tournies though, so no cash game progress yet I suppose
I hope players receiving any payments from AP are not signing any releases to AP...or implying same with acceptance.
gg
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mntbikr15
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Several players at a 15/30 table have just recieved the same amount of 538 dollars refunded to their accounts
Talk that its only from tournies though, so no cash game progress yet I suppose
I hope players receiving any payments from AP are not signing any releases to AP...or implying same with acceptance.
gg
Id assume they didnt, one guy didnt even seem to know where it came from
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A friend of mine related a story from the 2006 WSOP where another of his pals was playing a tourney with a UB guy. They got chatting and went on break to dinner together. UB guy asked to borrow the friend's laptop to check up on somebody in a UB tourney.
When the UB dude logged in to the site, all the hole cards were revealed while they watched. UB dude logged off after finding what he was looking for.
I see two potential problems with this accusation:
1) There seems to be Absolutely (pun intended) no proof
2) I think UB tournies are not linked to Absolute (especially not that long ago)
Thank you,
Jim Kuhn
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ur2barredout
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Just got this email from AP
Absolute Poker regrets to inform you that as a result of a security breach in our system, one player had access to an unfair advantage while playing the following poker tournament: 1871149.
Absolute Poker has reimbursed to your poker account an amount to compensate you for potential losses resulting from this unfortunate incident.
Please be assured that we have corrected the problem that allowed the system to be unfairly manipulated. We remain committed to the highest levels of security, privacy and integrity.
This breach was exploited in several other tournaments and during some ring game play. We are in the process of auditing these records, and will pay for all losses suffered by the affected players in these other games as soon as these amounts are determined.
The unfair player has been deleted from the tournament standings.
Accordingly, the amount that we have refunded to your account includes all of the following:
. The tournament buy-in
. The tournament fee
. Any additional prize amount that you are entitled to as result of moving you up one tournament place if the unfair player finished in a spot higher than you
. Interest on the refund in the amount of 10% per annum.
We thank you for your continued support.
If you have any questions
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Several players at a 15/30 table have just recieved the same amount of 538 dollars refunded to their accounts
Talk that its only from tournies though, so no cash game progress yet I suppose
I hope players receiving any payments from AP are not signing any releases to AP...or implying same with acceptance.
gg
interner poker, they make the rules, tacit consent is consent enough in aps eyes i bet.
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apefish
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Adanthar- without going thru other threads do I remember correctly that Allan Grimald is the name he has used and domain squatting was a prior occupation?
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R*R
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It was in an earlier thread where he was in court some years ago regarding websites scams of some kind. These threads are so damn long but I remember some court documents being posted.
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LonesomeFugitive
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Is it too early to withdraw our poker rollz from ap?
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keep it up
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pokergrader
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Stupid frat boys.
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RichardHurtz
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Look closely, you can see the bricks of gold shimmering in the copilot side window...
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=N726JR
I found only one other Sabreline tire punctue accident in the last 10 years, and all occupants were killed in that one. The main gears are very close together in a Sabreliner, so a tire failure makes the aircraft extremely difficult to control.
A tire failure should have been a non-event (single tire). It was the abort that messed them up, not enough room to stop. Had they kept going and taken off to land at another airport with a nice long runway it probably would have been ok.
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Capitola
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Is it too late to withdraw our poker rollz from ap?
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SeriousStudent
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To reposition the Sabreliner from Miami to Costa Rica, fly to Cartegena, and then return to Miami would cost about $25K in charter fees.
Just a few hours of work at the tables?
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teddyFBI
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Edit: I'm an idiot, it was "Grimard" not Grimald.
Here's the cybersquatting doc:
http://www.disputes.org/decisions/0635.htm
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GaryTheGoat
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Adanthar- without going thru other threads do I remember correctly that Allan Grimald is the name he has used and domain squatting was a prior occupation?
I've got Allen Grimard (Green) from documents.
Edit: I'll look for it. Have it I'm sure.
gg
Edited by GaryTheGoat (10/23/07 12:57 AM)
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apefish
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Never mind if it was Grimard.
thanks GG.
Edited by apefish (10/23/07 12:55 AM)
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While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills.
Hyaaachachachacha
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R*R
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Yes. Swiss Chalet was mentioned in the document.
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pygmyhipo
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PokerListings twists the knife... check out the titles on their latest stories:
* Absolute Poker Debacle Continues
* Absolute Poker Condemned by Poker Players
* Absolute Poker Reports Security Breach
* Absolute Poker Debacle Results in Audit
(see http://www.pokerlistings.com/more-news-on-absolute-poker-19451)
This is a good example of how an influential, top-traffic affiliate site with excellent search results placement can help threaten the brand value of AP. (Search for "absolute poker" on google and a PokerListings link is on the first page.) The true owner of AP is a few million dollars poorer every time his brand is degraded like this. If the beatings continue he may judge it better to do a thorough house-cleaning.
Yes, AJ Green might then bring Mr Big's name into the open, along with a dozen other minority shareholders who are living in the US and aren't inclined to renounce their citizenship. But keeping AJ quiet doesn't guarantee that this info stays secret. It sounds like there are a lot of people in the business who are watching with glee as AJ and Scott go down. An enterprising young reporter might be able to put the story together without AJ's help. Mr Big has to figure this into his calculations...
-pyg
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Audi
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Edit: teddyFBI found the link.
Edited by Audi (10/23/07 12:59 AM)
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teddyFBI
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I'm an idiot, it was "Grimard" not Grimald.
Here's the cybersquatting doc:
http://www.disputes.org/decisions/0635.htm
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runout_mick
setting the world right
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Yes. Swiss Chalet was mentioned in the document.
Complainant is the owner of numerous trademarks and service marks for the mark SWISS CHALET. The mark was first registered in Canada in 1967 in connection with food for human consumption and related restaurant items, and has since been registered in the United States (December 22, 1992), the United Kingdom (June 10, 1982), the Soviet Union (June 9, 1993), Japan (August 31, 1993), and several other countries. Since the 1950's, Complainant has used the marks in signage and advertising to promote its restaurant business in Canada and elsewhere. Complainant operates 181 restaurants in the United States and Canada specializing in rotisserie chicken and ribs under the SWISS CHALET mark. This includes 135 SWISS CHALET restaurants in Ontario alone, and ten within the Ottawa/Kanata region, including one in Kanata proper.
The domain name at issue was registered on December 21, 1999, by an entity named Impreshun.com, located at 10 Stokes Crescent, Kanata, Ontario, Canada. On April 6, 2000, Impreshun.com emailed the Complainant, identified itself as the broker for an unnamed owner, and offered to lease, rent, or otherwise transfer the use of the domain name to Complainant. Complaint, Annex 5. The sender of the email was identified as Allan J. Grimard, President & CEO of Impreshun.com. Sometime between April 14, 2000, and May 10, 2000, Impreshun.com transferred the domain name at issue to Respondent, and on May 10, 2000, documents requesting transfer of the registration were submitted to Network Solutions. The transfer request document identifies Allan Grimard as both the owner of Impreshun.com and the owner of Wave Comunicaciones, C.A. Response, Annex 6.
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R*R
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Kanata referred to in the document is the home of the Ottawa Senators and is part of the Greater Ottawa area.
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LiveNow
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wow
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TonyRoflmao
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Random Facts on Allan Grimard:
Attended Centennial College in Ontario, a school that specializes in Software Systems and Computer and Communication Networking (Small, 1997).
Founded Impreshun in Kanata, Ontario in October 1999, a company, "providing professional Web services and online shopping." (Ottawa Citizen, 2000).
References:
Small, Peter. (1997, May 18). Scarborough Centre. Credibility a worry in heart of suburbia. Toronto Star. p. A11.
Who's new. (2000, February 12). The Ottawa Citizen. p. J1.
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dhg223
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Lol I've eaten at Swiss Chalet. Was goot.
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otis_nixon
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come [censored] on transfer... go through already dammit
First time I've heard a poker player say don't hold 1 time. LOL regardless of what happened you deserve to get your money in full
my whole roll has been on the way out for 1.5 weeks now, moving 6 figures doesn't happen quickly though.
wow you made money playing at absolute no way i didnt know that why didnt you tell everybody repeatedly in every other ap thread thats been posted in the last 2 weeks.
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jfish
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so it was grimstarr all along
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RikaKazak
#1 Real Estate Baller
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WOW WOW WOW!!!!!
best "exciting implications" spot EVER!!!
I am SOOOO glad I got my whole roll off of AP and UB. If you have any money on there guys seriously get it off...this "your money is safe in absolute is baloney"....these companies use "player funds" for "expenses" all the time..and if they go under no you will not get your money back.
(p.s. this goes for tons of pokersites but NOT pokerstars, that's why I'm so thankful they insured our money at a legit bank, A+ job stars, way to be a step above everyone else)
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PoorSkillz
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http://www.gambling911.com/Absolute-Poker-102307B.html
Can someone explain to me how gambling911.com can be such an inept journalistic source? Set aside their grammar and spelling mistakes in all of their articles. First members of their site are seen in pictures with AJ Green, and then their articles include little tidbits information of info like, "AJ, who has a fondness for mushrooms (not the kind you eat), is probably wishing at this point he was tripping out real bad." Really? Their website is more comedy than it is journalism.
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teddyFBI
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Something a little suspicious, although it's prob not important:
The cybersquatting ruling says that AJ was the owner of the impreshun.com domain name. Well, the whois info for that domain shows that it was re-registered just 2 days ago (roughly the same time the cybersquatting link first appeared in these threads) by an anonymous domain registrar. Is there any way of finding out what the whois info was for this domain 3 days ago? (e.g. before it was re-registered anonymously)
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apefish
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Random Facts on Allan Grimard:
Attended Centennial College in Ontario, a school that specializes in Software Systems and Computer and Communication Networking (Small, 1997).
Founded Impreshun in Kanata, Ontario in October 1999, a company, "providing professional Web services and online shopping." (Ottawa Citizen, 2000).
References:
Small, Peter. (1997, May 18). Scarborough Centre. Credibility a worry in heart of suburbia. Toronto Star. p. A11.
Who's new. (2000, February 12). The Ottawa Citizen. p. J1.
If you search Impreshun- one of the links you come across is an old collections and dispute thread for a supposed buy of premium search engine placement for Impreshun.com names.
Why isn't this shocking...
http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/jan00/0782.html
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runout_mick
setting the world right
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AJ, who has a fondness for mushrooms (not the kind you eat)
How do you use them without eating them? Suppository?
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GaryTheGoat
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Random Facts on Allan Grimard:
Small, Peter.
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Triumph36
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come [censored] on transfer... go through already dammit
First time I've heard a poker player say don't hold 1 time. LOL regardless of what happened you deserve to get your money in full
my whole roll has been on the way out for 1.5 weeks now, moving 6 figures doesn't happen quickly though.
wow you made money playing at absolute no way i didnt know that why didnt you tell everybody repeatedly in every other ap thread thats been posted in the last 2 weeks.
<3 otis nixon
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rothko
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This sounds like the most believable version to date.
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TonyRoflmao
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Random Facts on Allan Grimard:
Small, Peter.
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R*R
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Scott Tom's name is back again in that article. If that article is true then denials of knowledge are not going to work.
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Bedreviter
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"While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills."
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VickreyAuction
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"Written by Thomas Jensen"
well, email him.
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GaryTheGoat
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Scott Tom apparently is no Scott Tom either.
What does this mean?
gg
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imabigdeal
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"While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills."
haha i know right... what a queer lol
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ur2barredout
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mission impossible masks?
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TonyRoflmao
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Gambling 911
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This year while in Amsterdam, Jenny was involved in a notorious "bolt cutter" incident. Security from the hotel had to cut through her door with bolt cutters. Jenny was comatose when they arrived by her bedside.
http://www.gambling911.com/Woo's-Next-102307.html
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ikestoys
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"While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills."
i'd def pay money to make him stand next to this picture while being heckled by a crowd
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fjbourne
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I would not feel comfortable having a single dime on Absolute. Its not even the cheating that would worry me the most, its how unbelievably bad the company is run. The organizational structure is a mess and a front, obviously there are serious IT problems and lack of sufficiant controls, and the founders of the company are absolute crooks. You high limit players are playing with fire. The fact that they are trying to get players to deposit large sums of money by offering 10% interest is frightening. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if a majority of this money isn't being invested at all and is instead being used to process cashouts for other players.
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DoTheMath
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There was no superuser account.
Well, at least there didn't have to be one. There are a number of methods by which hole cards theoretically could be read without there neeeding to be a poker account with superuser abilities. From what I have read here, we haven't seen proof that the suspicious observer account was the account to which the hole card information was transmitted. We just know that the account was logged onto the table as an observer while the suspicious play occurred. It was logged on all that time, but we don't know it was used all the time it was logged on.
Theory 1) There was nothing special about the account. It was just being used by the observer to watch how well POTRIPPER was doing. The hole card information was being obtained by some other means involving inside access to the server.
Theory 2) There was nothing special about the observer account except that POTRIPPER or an accomplice knew its password. The account was merely used to identify which table the POTRIPPER account was playing at. This might account for the two-hand delay before the observer account arrived and POTRIPPER started acting psychic - the observer account was looking at other tables or reading the list of players/tables in the lobby. Once the person using the observer account confirmed POTRIPPER's location he just didn't bother to log off. Once the observer knew which table to scan, he used other system admin software to query a database or the server to get reports of cards dealt.
Theory 3) There was nothing special about the observer account, except its name. The presence of that particular observer at the table acts as a key to unlock the server to allow/cause it to transmit hole card information to some predesignated location.
Theory 4) There was nothing special about the account, but there was something special about the client it was running. Any account could use the special client software if they had it. It was the client software which had the special ability, not the account.
Consider this. The average player uses the same software client to play at a table or observe a table. The server sends information to all the clients at a table. Either
a) The server sends the same information to all clients and the client software picks which hole card information it needs to display - one player's or none, or
b) The server sends almost the same information to all clients. The only difference in what is sent is that player clients get only their own hole cards and observer clients get all players' hole card information but the client displays none of it, or
c) The server sends almost the same information to all clients. The only difference in what is sent is that player clients get their own hole cards and observer clients get no hole card information.
Of these three possibilities, the third is the most likely. It is more secure, and is consistent with what AP says about its software. However, it requires the server to send differential information depending on the status of the connected client. A special piece of client software could indicate a third possible status to the server, which causes the server to send all hole cards to that particular client. This obviously requires that the server be designed with this leak in mind.
In the case of the first two possiblities, there is no need to make any changes to the server code. The data is being transmitted. All it takes is a special version of the client that actually displays the hole card data.
Whichever of these possibilities applies, there is no need to have an account with special abilities. While it would have been more secure to make sure that only special accounts could use the special client, there is no absolute requirement that the client's use be restricted to certain accounts. Tight control of the distribution of the special client software might have been the only security precaution.
Do I really believe there was no superuser account? I don't know. I'm just trying to show that a supersuser account may not be required as part of a scheme to read hole cards. There are other possible explanations. I do not claim that the other explantions are more plausible.
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adanthar
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There was no superuser account.
wrong
I didn't really read the rest of your post, sorry
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ikestoys
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yeah except abso admitted to the superuser...
so -1
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ur2barredout
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Adanthowned
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PJo336
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There was no superuser account.
wrong
I didn't really read the rest of your post, sorry
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imabigdeal
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There was no superuser account.
Well, at least there didn't have to be one. There are a number of methods by which hole cards theoretically could be read without there neeeding to be a poker account with superuser abilities. From what I have read here, we haven't seen proof that the suspicious observer account was the account to which the hole card information was transmitted. We just know that the account was logged onto the table as an observer while the suspicious play occurred. It was logged on all that time, but we don't know it was used all the time it was logged on.
Theory 1) There was nothing special about the account. It was just being used by the observer to watch how well POTRIPPER was doing. The hole card information was being obtained by some other means involving inside access to the server.
Theory 2) There was nothing special about the observer account except that POTRIPPER or an accomplice knew its password. The account was merely used to identify which table the POTRIPPER account was playing at. This might account for the two-hand delay before the observer account arrived and POTRIPPER started acting psychic - the observer account was looking at other tables or reading the list of players/tables in the lobby. Once the person using the observer account confirmed POTRIPPER's location he just didn't bother to log off. Once the observer knew which table to scan, he used other system admin software to query a database or the server to get reports of cards dealt.
Theory 3) There was nothing special about the observer account, except its name. The presence of that particular observer at the table acts as a key to unlock the server to allow/cause it to transmit hole card information to some predesignated location.
Theory 4) There was nothing special about the account, but there was something special about the client it was running. Any account could use the special client software if they had it. It was the client software which had the special ability, not the account.
Consider this. The average player uses the same software client to play at a table or observe a table. The server sends information to all the clients at a table. Either
a) The server sends the same information to all clients and the client software picks which hole card information it needs to display - one player's or none, or
b) The server sends almost the same information to all clients. The only difference in what is sent is that player clients get only their own hole cards and observer clients get all players' hole card information but the client displays none of it, or
c) The server sends almost the same information to all clients. The only difference in what is sent is that player clients get their own hole cards and observer clients get no hole card information.
Of these three possibilities, the third is the most likely. It is more secure, and is consistent with what AP says about its software. However, it requires the server to send differential information depending on the status of the connected client. A special piece of client software could indicate a third possible status to the server, which causes the server to send all hole cards to that particular client. This obviously requires that the server be designed with this leak in mind.
In the case of the first two possiblities, there is no need to make any changes to the server code. The data is being transmitted. All it takes is a special version of the client that actually displays the hole card data.
Whichever of these possibilities applies, there is no need to have an account with special abilities. While it would have been more secure to make sure that only special accounts could use the special client, there is no absolute requirement that the client's use be restricted to certain accounts. Tight control of the distribution of the special client software might have been the only security precaution.
Do I really believe there was no superuser account? I don't know. I'm just trying to show that a supersuser account may not be required as part of a scheme to read hole cards. There are other possible explanations. I do not claim that the other explantions are more plausible.
stfu?
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ZBTHorton
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There was no superuser account.
Well, at least there didn't have to be one. There are a number of methods by which hole cards theoretically could be read without there neeeding to be a poker account with superuser abilities. From what I have read here, we haven't seen proof that the suspicious observer account was the account to which the hole card information was transmitted. We just know that the account was logged onto the table as an observer while the suspicious play occurred. It was logged on all that time, but we don't know it was used all the time it was logged on.
Theory 1) There was nothing special about the account. It was just being used by the observer to watch how well POTRIPPER was doing. The hole card information was being obtained by some other means involving inside access to the server.
Theory 2) There was nothing special about the observer account except that POTRIPPER or an accomplice knew its password. The account was merely used to identify which table the POTRIPPER account was playing at. This might account for the two-hand delay before the observer account arrived and POTRIPPER started acting psychic - the observer account was looking at other tables or reading the list of players/tables in the lobby. Once the person using the observer account confirmed POTRIPPER's location he just didn't bother to log off. Once the observer knew which table to scan, he used other system admin software to query a database or the server to get reports of cards dealt.
Theory 3) There was nothing special about the observer account, except its name. The presence of that particular observer at the table acts as a key to unlock the server to allow/cause it to transmit hole card information to some predesignated location.
Theory 4) There was nothing special about the account, but there was something special about the client it was running. Any account could use the special client software if they had it. It was the client software which had the special ability, not the account.
Consider this. The average player uses the same software client to play at a table or observe a table. The server sends information to all the clients at a table. Either
a) The server sends the same information to all clients and the client software picks which hole card information it needs to display - one player's or none, or
b) The server sends almost the same information to all clients. The only difference in what is sent is that player clients get only their own hole cards and observer clients get all players' hole card information but the client displays none of it, or
c) The server sends almost the same information to all clients. The only difference in what is sent is that player clients get their own hole cards and observer clients get no hole card information.
Of these three possibilities, the third is the most likely. It is more secure, and is consistent with what AP says about its software. However, it requires the server to send differential information depending on the status of the connected client. A special piece of client software could indicate a third possible status to the server, which causes the server to send all hole cards to that particular client. This obviously requires that the server be designed with this leak in mind.
In the case of the first two possiblities, there is no need to make any changes to the server code. The data is being transmitted. All it takes is a special version of the client that actually displays the hole card data.
Whichever of these possibilities applies, there is no need to have an account with special abilities. While it would have been more secure to make sure that only special accounts could use the special client, there is no absolute requirement that the client's use be restricted to certain accounts. Tight control of the distribution of the special client software might have been the only security precaution.
Do I really believe there was no superuser account? I don't know. I'm just trying to show that a supersuser account may not be required as part of a scheme to read hole cards. There are other possible explanations. I do not claim that the other explantions are more plausible.
You took so much time to write this post, and didn't even know the most basic parts of the story. lol @ you
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GaryTheGoat
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"While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills."
i'd def pay money to make him stand next to this picture while being heckled by a crowd
How much sans the crowd of witnesses?
gg
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ikestoys
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"While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills."
i'd def pay money to make him stand next to this picture while being heckled by a crowd
How much sans the crowd of witnesses?
gg
The shame effect goes down without the crowd.
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teddyFBI
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Something a little suspicious, although it's prob not important:
The cybersquatting ruling says that AJ was the owner of the impreshun.com domain name. Well, the whois info for that domain shows that it was re-registered just 2 days ago (roughly the same time the cybersquatting link first appeared in these threads) by an anonymous domain registrar. Is there any way of finding out what the whois info was for this domain 3 days ago? (e.g. before it was re-registered anonymously)
bump
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F. McSimmons
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How can you guys keep up with this [censored]?
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h11
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I would not feel comfortable having a single dime on Absolute. Its not even the cheating that would worry me the most, its how unbelievably bad the company is run. The organizational structure is a mess and a front, obviously there are serious IT problems and lack of sufficiant controls, and the founders of the company are absolute crooks. You high limit players are playing with fire. The fact that they are trying to get players to deposit large sums of money by offering 10% interest is frightening. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if a majority of this money isn't being invested at all and is instead being used to process cashouts for other players.
I agree that they are poorly run, but they can afford to pay ten percent annual interest without investing the deposits. I think it's fair to assume they get in rake one percent of the deposited amount per day.
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Dan Druff
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I highly doubt that Scott and AJ were stealing $7 million from AP over the years.
As a longtime AP high-limit player, as much as I hate to do it, I have to defend them against this allegation.
First off, I am not asserting that the superuser account was first abused in August, 2007. I have reason to believe that it was abused as far back as early 2006, and some of you know what I'm talking about. However, I believe that these abuses were only sporadic, thus the reason it took this long for everyone to catch on.
How am I reasonably sure that 7 million wasn't taken from the site?
Because I was there. There, as in an active player on Absolute Poker for nearly 3 years. I played the highest limit games they had to offer, and never did I see anything even closely resembling the recent debacle. Keep in mind that, until 2006, AP did not spread limit games above 75/150. They only had 50/100 as recently as early-mid 2005. I don't know when their big NL games were added, but I think they are also a relatively recent development.
Given my high level of activity on AP, I got to know who was winning and who was losing. The big winners -- at least on the limit side -- were all people I either knew personally or knew of through others. There were no mystery men completely destroying the game, nor was there any play that seemed to indicate the abuse of the superuser account.
The only way that 7 million would have been possible would be through the tournament scene. I suppose it was possible for Scott Tom and friends to have set up multiple dummy accounts for tournament wins, and then utilize the superuser in order to win a lot of them (basically a different one wins every time). I find such a scenario highly unlikely, as their pattern of stealing this summer did not have any such subtlety. If anything, it was shockingly reckless.
Now, once again I am not stating that the superuser remained unabused prior to August, 2007. I have a feeling that it was used sparingly -- perhaps during flashes of greed, against players disliked by the management/ownership, or just to mess around and laugh at the "dumb" poker pros who don't realize they're being fleeced. However, 7 million is a HUGE number to take out of a site like AP, which honestly was relatively small up until recently. There's absolutely no way this could happen without detection or suspicion, especially given that we know this now and active players from the past would be reminded of huge winners that seemingly could not make a mistake. There are no such mystery men to my knowledge, and most pros I know ended up winning about what they expected to win there.
This whole scandal has all the makings of egotistical punks who generally curtailed their "superpower" until the temptation just became too much. The way they exploded with excitement, both by words and actions, as they robbed us blind was reminiscent of a high school kid who gets to grope a girl for the first time in his life.
If I had to guess, I would say the superuser was abused here and there -- kind of like an occasional guilty pleasure -- until AJ and Scott tried it with a bit more regularity and realized how much they truly enjoyed it.
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A little background on AP's outsourcing of security and technology services:
2004: Interactive Gaming Security Network provided a third party audit and "managed security solutions" to Absolute.
http://gambling.co.uk/news/gambling-news_418_arizona-bay-improves-neteller-experience.html
(see bottom of press release)
retired IGSN website
http://web.archive.org/web/20060805101242/http://igsn.com/
2006: Arizona Bay (IGSN's parent company) is retained to provide "a rapid development and deployment of technology and human infrastructure to support Absolute Poker’s rapid growth objectives."
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/5/prweb384543.htm
http://www.arizonabay.com/about/
Arizona Bay is run by the former CEO and President of Neteller, Gordon Herman and one of Neteller's founders Jeff Natland.
Last year Natland covered his Ferrari F430 with Absolute branding for a promotional cross country car rally. This idea came up while "getting drunk" with Absolute senior management.
http://www.bluffmagazine.com/magazine/Europe/2006/june/066.asp
As of last year, Arizona Bay's, Senior Consultant, Curtis Olson was acting as Absolute's Vice President of Technology.
Cliff Notes:
Company run by Ex-Neteller execs audited and then managed AP's security in 04.
In 06 engaged to provide additional technology services including installing their consultant as VP of Technology for AP.
Management of both organizations were drinking buddies.
Since last summer, Arizona Bay has carefully tried to minimize their association with Absolute.
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If we believe the story that AJ Green bought in as an investor at some point after startup... how do he and Tom cross paths to know each other? Seems knowing this part unravels many other connections.
And while it's mostly speculation at this point- with a newer dollar amount possibly in play I think questions like this are more relevant.
Also... the dramabomb got me all fired up.
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AaronL
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someone pointed out yesterday,when I posted traffic statistics, that there was variance based on the days of the week... looks like they took another hit yesterday (using last three Sundays from pokersitescout)
Oct 7 @ 7:31 PM 2447
Oct 14 @ 7:39 PM 2352
Oct 21 @ 7:50 PM 2190
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I agree with Druff 100%
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I don't know when their big NL games were added, but I think they are also a relatively recent development.
For a long time the biggest game was 10/25 game with 5k max buyin. In ~April they added 15/30 (6k max) and dropped 10/25. Over the summer they added 25/50 (10k max).
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ikestoys
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I agree with Druff 100%
I was thinking it, glad someone else said it, b/c i didn't feel like getting flamed again.
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DEAD ON IMPACT
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So i just called the VIP number at AP to try to talk to someone in management and first off the guy I spoke with was very short and seemed quite rude. I do finally get a phone conversation however with the head of management for the sales department tomorrow morning and will be asking several questions regarding payments to players etc.
If there are some questions you guys would like me to ask pm me or write a post. I would assume like most of the workers he will stay away from responding to who, what,where, and how this situation came about but I will try to dig out some info....
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AaronL
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also interested is ultimatebet's traffic hit 3000 both the last two sundays... a total it hasn't hit any other day in the posted results (going back to Jul. 23rd) I wonder how many players transfered rolls over to ultimate from ap...
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GaryTheGoat
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You are profuse.
Cocaine addiction is a insidious, progressive disease which impairs ones judgment.
gg
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Matfrid
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There was no superuser account.
Well, at least there didn't have to be one. There are a number of methods by which hole cards theoretically could be read without there neeeding to be a poker account with superuser abilities. <cut rest of post>
Yes, see my previous posts in these threads that give examples of how the exploit could be done. Then you'll also see that some of your ideas are unrealistic, but I'll not waste space with it. I know most that read this couldn't care less about the technical details, and that was really my point: keep calling it a super-user account, folks. Regardless of how it was done, someone could see the hole cards.
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dd,
but the 7mil didn't have to come from the high limit games.
and the actual dollar figure isn't as important as the notion the absolute has been cheating its customers for years.
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apefish
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Druff- the number did sound insanely high.
What if instead of abusing superuser for that amount over time the "source" meant they stole that total amount in some way.
If they have superuser capacity and the ability to block an inquiry into it- surely someone had the ability to simply move money around within the site and permit cashouts during the same time period.
Just a thought.
Most of it could have been a pure skim.
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You are profuse.
Cocaine addiction is a insidious, progressive disease which impairs ones judgment.
gg
most likely reason for cheating imo...
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DoTheMath
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I believe he is from Canada. The Ottawa area I believe. Not a far drive form Kahanwake coincidently
That's kinda like saying that Philadelphia is not a far drive from Washington.
When he was in Kanata (if he ever was there), a suburb west of Ottawa, he would have had a two and one-half hour drive to Khanawake, outside of rush hour.
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Tuco
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dd,
but the 7mil didn't have to come from the high limit games.
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GaryTheGoat
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If I could only win $7 million undetected with superuser powers, I would consider myself a dismal failure.
gg
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If we believe the story that AJ Green bought in as an investor at some point after startup... how do he and Tom cross paths to know each other?
Nine.com and AP are in the same office building in CR.
Re: 7 million: Both Tom and Green had full, unrestricted access to do whatever they wanted with cashouts at both AP and UB (post sale) for quite a while. It is entirely possible that there were multiple scams going on.
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PartyGirlUK
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Quote:
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If we believe the story that AJ Green bought in as an investor at some point after startup... how do he and Tom cross paths to know each other?
Nine.com and AP are in the same office building in CR.
Re: 7 million: Both Tom and Green had full, unrestricted access to do whatever they wanted with cashouts at both AP and UB (post sale) for quite a while. It is entirely possible that there were multiple scams going on.
This is def. possible. But taking 7 mill from super user abuse seems uber unlikely.
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DEAD ON IMPACT
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I was told that someone saw STEAMROLLER sitting at a limit table with either 500k or 1 million about 7-8 months ago...the person that told me about this is also a regular high stakes limit player so i beleive it is true. Not saying 7 million is beleivable but we all feel STEAMROLLER was a superuser and if he had made that much somehow before we all knew about him (at least I had not heard of STEAMROLLER before the last few months) it could be possibly these guys could have been skimming for a long time without our knowledge and making large sums of money that could be in the range of millions...
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i don't know if this is even worth mentioning or if it has anything to do with this stuff, BUT
i can remember at least once when i didn't get my rakeback paid out to me because of "a conflict with my statistics" at UB. i had been paid rakeback multiple times into the same account then all of a sudden, i didn't get it anymore.
my affiliate (which is a major trusted affiliate) and i e-mailed UB multiple times and they just kept saying they didn't know anything about it.
maybe they were skimming $$$ off of small things like that. i can see it being pretty easy to make $7mm doing things like that along w/ playing lower limits and not being so obvious.
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SpaceMonkey13
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also interested is ultimatebet's traffic hit 3000 both the last two sundays... a total it hasn't hit any other day in the posted results (going back to Jul. 23rd) I wonder how many players transfered rolls over to ultimate from ap...
I wonder how the BBJ is affecting traffic numbers? People flocked to the micro limit tables in AP when the BBJ went over 500k. I see UB is just under that now (first time I've seen it that high, although I haven't been paying much attention).
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apefish
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Nine.com and AP are in the same office building in CR.
Bah- yeah I forgot the timing on all of that.
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h11
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If we believe the story that AJ Green bought in as an investor at some point after startup... how do he and Tom cross paths to know each other? Seems knowing this part unravels many other connections.
And while it's mostly speculation at this point- with a newer dollar amount possibly in play I think questions like this are more relevant.
Also... the dramabomb got me all fired up.
I read in something with a link in these threads that AJ worked for nine.com or something like that, whose Costa Rican office is next door to AP's. I guess they met that way.
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