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How to use Poker Tracker.
#4946669 - 03/04/06 01:06 AM

This is a how-to post, but it doesn't belong in the software forum; it's to teach people how they can use the Poker Tracker data to find flaws in their game.

Not a week goes by that someone doesn't ask if they are playing the game right. In that post, they include a dozen numbers from Poker Tracker and hope that the old-timers on SSNL can fix all their holes. While it's true that Poker Tracker can help find problems, this is not the way to approach it.

I'm going to try to give you a rough guide for the things you can do to check on your game. These are all just my opinion; they're all subject to interpretation, and other people may disagree with me strongly. The best way to play is usually player-specific, but these strike me as some things you can check on that are frequent flaws in the small-stakes player's game.

1. Do you have sufficient preflop aggression? To answer this question, open up your ring game statistics and go to the "position stats" page. For each position other than the small blind, divide the "PF Raise %" by the "Vol. Put \$ In Pot." If you get a number smaller than 0.5, you're not aggressive enough out of that position. See, aggression is a relative term; it should be a function of your level of looseness. You can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 12%, and you can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 30%, but only if you are sufficiently aggressive. My general guideline is that you should raise at least half the hands you play, from every position on the table.

2. Are you positionally aware? Positional awareness means that you understand Ed Miller's comment when he said:
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Total all the dollars you've ever bet playing poker. The large majority of those dollars should have been bet from late position. Only a small percentage of your total handle should have been bet from up front.

To test this, go to the Position Stats and look down the list of VPIP from Button to UTG. You should see that VPIP steadily dropping the farther you get from the button. I'd love to see my button VPIP at double my UTG VPIP, but if my Button VPIP is at least 50% larger than my UTG VPIP, I'm happy with the situation.

3. How's my stealing? To check on your performance when trying a blind steal, go to the General Info. tab. Where it says "Att. To Steal Blinds" I'd like to see that number at LEAST 20%. (Personally, I like mine to be over 30%, but I'm very aggressive in these situations. If you're trying to steal the blinds less than 20% of the time, you're leaving lots of money on the table.) Now click on "Filters..." and under "Chance to Steal Blinds" click "Chance to Steal & Raised." Select OK and look at the numbers. This shows every time you've tried to steal the blinds, and how the attempt turned out for you. Under "Totals" see the "BB/Hand" statistic. That shows your per-hand winrate on blind steals. If you multiply this number by 100, it should be at least double your "PTBB/100" average winrate. If it's much less than that and you have a decent sample size, you have a hole in your game when it comes to blind stealing. This should be an exceedingly profitable thing to do when you try it; if it's not, you need to work on your strategy.

4. Defending the blinds. Click on "Turn Filter Off," and then click on "Filters..." again. Under "Blind Status" click on "Either Blind." Now under "Vol. Put \$ In Pot" click on "Put Money In." This shows you if you're bleeding money out of the blinds. A "BB/Hand" of about -0.375 would indicate that you were no better off putting money into the pot than if you had folded. If your "BB/Hand" is larger than that, then you typically win back some of your blind money when you put money into the pot from the blinds. That's all you can really hope for. If you click on "Filters..." again and go under "Steal Attempted Against Your Blind" and click on "Steal Attempted." After you click "OK" you'll now see how you did when you chose to defend against a blind steal. Again, the magic number is for your "BB/Hand" to be bigger than -0.375; that means you're making back some of your blinds when you try to defend against a steal. If either of these numbers is lower than -0.375, you'd lose less money by always folding rather than doing what you're doing.

5. Heads-up play. Click on “Turn Filter Off,” then click on “Filters…” again. Under “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” change the range from “0 to 10 players” to “2 to 2 players.” Hit “OK” and see what comes up. This shows you how you’ve done when you were heads-up preflop, but a flop was dealt. See how you’ve done in these situations. If things look OK, go back to “Filters…” and under “Pre-flop Raise” select “No Raise.” This will show you how you’ve done when you didn’t raise preflop, but the hand was heads-up on the flop (this includes pure limping and when someone ELSE raised preflop, but not when you were the preflop raiser). Is this number positive? If not, it could be an indicator that you have trouble when you are not the aggressor preflop, especially without padding in the pot.

6. Multiway pots. Clear the filter and go back under filters. Change “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” to “3 to 10 players.” This shows you how you do in multiway pots. If things look good, go back and select “No Raise” under “Pre-flop Raise.” Is it still positive? If so, you’re selecting good times to play/limp multiway pots, and you’re playing them well postflop.

7. Pocket pairs. Under “Filters…” change the “Type of Hole Cards” to “Pairs.” This will show you how you generally play and perform with pocket pairs. Your Total VPIP with these should be EXTREMELY high; unless you play at highly unusual tables, I’d be surprised to see this number below 85%. Pocket pairs make extremely powerful hands that are extremely well-hidden; if you’re not playing them almost all the time, you’re leaving money on the table. Also, your Total PFR% with these hands should be rather high -- at least 1/3 of your VPIP, if not 1/2. Some people have this number higher still, and I don’t have a problem with that, especially at short-handed tables. If you have enough hands, I’d expect every one of these lines to be positive, and reasonably significantly so. If you have any glaringly negative numbers, especially AA-88, it may indicate bad play. Look over individual hands where you lose lots of money and see if you played too timidly early in the hand, or if you went too far unimproved in the face of resistance. Also, look at the hands where you won to see if you played too timidly, or if you routinely forced weaker hands out when you should have been milking them for profits.

8. Suited connectors. Under “Filters…” change “Type of Hole Cards” to “Suited Connectors.” I’m much less likely to play suited connectors than pocket pairs, but some people play them religiously. As a result, I don’t really have a good suggestion as to how high your VPIP or PFR should be. However, your BB/hand should be positive; if it’s not, you’re probably not playing your suited connectors well. Remember: these hands play best in a multiway, unraised pot, or as a steal move. In the “Filters…” change “Vol. Put \$ In Pot” to “Cold-Called.” When you hit OK, you should have almost no entries to view. Of the times you cold-called, you should be able to come up with a specific explanation for why you did so in each and every one of them. Review the hand histories; if you can’t come up with a really good reason why you thought it better to cold-call, rather than raise or fold, you need to rethink your suited connector strategy. Good explanations: the raise was very small, villain is passive post-flop, I had position on villain, villain and I are both extremely deep-stacked, villain is incredibly aggressive preflop, my suited connectors are particularly strong, there are several cold-callers in front of me, etc. I’m not saying you shouldn’t ever cold-call with suited connectors; rather, I’m saying you shouldn’t AUTOMATICALLY do so. Your default play here should be to fold weak suited connectors and reraise strong ones.

9. Unsuited connectors. Clear the filter and then go back into it. Change “Type of Hole Cards” to “Off-Suited Connectors.” Your VPIP for these hands should be noticeably smaller than your VPIP for suited connectors. Check your winrate and make sure it’s positive. Filter for cold-calling and see if you had good reasons for doing so, keeping in mind that the reasons need to be even stronger than for suited connectors.

10. Postflop aggression. Clear the filter. Select the “More Detail…” button above the “Filters…” button. Scroll down. There is a section marked “First Action on Flop After A Pre-flop Raise.” This shows your likelihood of continuation betting. If you add Bet and Raise, the total should be at least 40%. If it’s not, you’re probably giving up too soon on your good hands, and that will cost you money in the long run. Remember: people who cold-call a preflop bet are often in fit-or-fold mode. If you don’t bet, you don’t give them a chance to fold. The pot is already decent-sized, and there’s no reason to give some donk a free look at a turn card that could sink you. If you raised preflop, you need a good reason NOT to raise the flop. Continuation betting should be your default play. Scroll down a bit farther to “Aggression Factor.” Your total aggression factor should be at LEAST 2. No-limit is not a game where you can call frequently and turn a profit. You should always be looking to see if you can raise or fold; only if you have a good reason why you CANNOT raise or fold should you call. As a result, calling should be an infrequent occurrence in your play, which gives you a large aggression factor.

11. Check-raising. Some people never check-raise; others check-raise infrequently. I personally like to check-raise at least once in awhile; 1% would be fine, 0.5% would be acceptable. The goal of the check-raise is to remind your opponents that just because you checked does NOT mean that you don’t have a hand. However, circumstances need to be very specific for a check-raise to be appropriate. Typically, I check-raise on the flop when OOP against a preflop raiser, or on the turn when OOP against a flop bettor/raiser who was clearly not on a draw (uncoordinated flop). If you are check raising much more than 2% of the time, you’re being entirely too tricky for a SSNL table, and straightforward play would probably be more profitable for you.

All of this is just an introduction to the kinds of self-analysis you can/should do with Poker Tracker statistics. Notice how much more in-depth it is than just glancing at a few VPIP numbers. Typically, the only person who can truly do a “check-up” on your playing style and ability is YOU. As always, if in your searching you find hands that indicate you may have a flaw in your poker reasoning, post them up (one at a time, of course). Tell us the problem you are worried you might have, and why you think this hand might indicate the problem. Then, open the discussion up to see if 2+2ers agree or disagree.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4947015 - 03/04/06 02:02 AM

Cant let this gem die out this fast, very nice post, going over this once i get off my shift!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: InfectorGadget]
#4947106 - 03/04/06 02:17 AM

This needs to be sticky-ed or FAQed. Great post.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4947119 - 03/04/06 02:18 AM

pokey you are truly a sweetheart

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4947295 - 03/04/06 02:46 AM

Great stuff Pokey. I am consistently impressed with the quality of your posts.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4948077 - 03/04/06 05:53 AM

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This shows every time you've tried to steal the blinds, and how the attempt turned out for you. Under "Totals" see the "BB/Hand" statistic. That shows your per-hand winrate on blind steals. If you multiply this number by 100, it should be at least double your "PTBB/100" average winrate.

If mine is insanely higher (83 bb/100) does that mean I should be stealing way more? I'm only at 10% right now. What range do you recommend stealing with in a typical loose NL 25-100 game?

HU: 0.09bb/hand
HU no raise: 0.00bb/hand
Multiway, no raise: 0.01bb/hand

Looks like a leak!

Thank you very, very much for this post.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: silentbob]
#4948291 - 03/04/06 08:08 AM

Quote:

This needs to be sticky-ed or FAQed. Great post.

Copied, pasted, stored

Thanks for the help Pokey

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4948485 - 03/04/06 09:40 AM

Awesome post Pokey, totally bookmarked!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4948550 - 03/04/06 10:06 AM

When you are talking about stealing blinds - does that mean you're on the button and it's been folded to you or do you mean raising from the button with a few limpers too?

This is one area i've been working on, but I wasn't sure if it was profitable raising with a few limpers too

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Nuprin]
#4948724 - 03/04/06 10:54 AM

Vey nice post Pokey, I actually was wondering how to find out a few things you pointed out. One thing though.

I raise almost nothing pre flop. My pre flop AF is .11
Yet I have a 10.69 PT BB/ 100 winrate over the 54K hands in my poker tracker. Is pre flop raising really as important as people think? Obviously this translates to steals as well.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#4949166 - 03/04/06 12:26 PM

I might make another post on this, pokey said this was his opinion and I dont want to put him on the spot and I am curious how many other players dont raise pre flop.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4949268 - 03/04/06 12:44 PM

Pokey,

excellent post. i just use poker tracker to see how much i win (or lose, [censored] january).

Mods: Please sticky this or something.

Rgrds,

NESS

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#4949282 - 03/04/06 12:46 PM

Quote:

Vey nice post Pokey, I actually was wondering how to find out a few things you pointed out. One thing though.

I raise almost nothing pre flop. My pre flop AF is .11
Yet I have a 10.69 PT BB/ 100 winrate over the 54K hands in my poker tracker. Is pre flop raising really as important as people think? Obviously this translates to steals as well.

Scrappy,

WTF?! I have never heard of someone that pretty much never raises preflop and wins (with a nice winrate I may add).

Maybe this will generate some interesting discussion.

rgrds,

NESS

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Ness]
#4949414 - 03/04/06 01:09 PM

Quote:

Pokey,

excellent post. i just use poker tracker to see how much i win (or lose, [censored] january).

Mods: Please sticky this or something.

Rgrds,

NESS

ditto,,,,

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#4949449 - 03/04/06 01:15 PM

what do you mean you dont raise preflop?????
and do u plya short ring or full???

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: mudbuddha]
#4949681 - 03/04/06 01:51 PM

Great post, I went through it step by step as I read it.

A few comments on pf aggression. My pf aggression is less than 1, but my postflop aggression is greater than 6. This is because I tend to limp into pots with somewhat mediocre hands with the intention of picking up the pot if nobody else hit. I think pf raise vs. VP\$IP is somewhat of a personal issue.

The stuff on blind stealing is great, I need to pull back (i'm at 45%... ) You also exposed a huge leak of me overvaluing TT's pair value in your section on pocket pairs. Thanks for that.

aaand... I am winning a lot of money from the blinds? how weird is that..

thanks pokey

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4949715 - 03/04/06 01:56 PM

Thanks for the positive feedback, everybody. Answering a few questions:

goofyballer said:
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If mine <winrate when attempting a steal> is insanely higher (83 bb/100) does that mean I should be stealing way more? I'm only at 10% right now. What range do you recommend stealing with in a typical loose NL 25-100 game?

As I said, I'd consider anything less than 20% to be leaving money on the table. There was a great thread on the Poker Tracker forums (see it here) where a guy claims that your winrate on blind steal attempts does not diminish markedly as you increase your steal attempts from 10% up through 40%. That information was specific to a limit game, I believe, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if something similar applied to NL. If you get a chance to steal a blind once every three orbits (about my average over the last 16k hands or so) and you attempt a steal 10% more often, that means you're going to try to steal one more time every 300 hands. If your winrate on a blind steal averages 75 PTBB/100, that change should add 0.25 PTBB/100 to your TOTAL WINRATE. Sure, it's not earth-shattering, but a gain is a gain.

Nuprin said:
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When you are talking about stealing blinds - does that mean you're on the button and it's been folded to you or do you mean raising from the button with a few limpers too?

Technically, a blind steal is when you are either in the Button or CO (one off the button), everybody in front of you folds, and you raise. Personally, I recommend attempting "quasi-steals" when one or two players have limped in front of you. If you've got at least a decent hand, your quasi-steals are going to be even more profitable: when they pick up the dead money preflop, it's more than twice as large as the usual blinds stolen, and when you get one caller you're still equally likely to win with a continuation bet or further aggression, but now the pot is triple what it usually would be. I'd be very hesitant to try this with true junk (K8o, T9o, that kind of thing), but if you'd normally limp, it's at least worth considering a raise instead.

scrapperdog said:
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I raise almost nothing pre flop. My pre flop AF is .11
Yet I have a 10.69 PT BB/ 100 winrate over the 54K hands in my poker tracker. Is pre flop raising really as important as people think? Obviously this translates to steals as well.

There are a variety of reasons why raising preflop too infrequently will hurt you:
1. When you've got the best starting hand, you're most likely to have the best hand at showdown. The more money you get into the pot, the better.
2. Every raise and bet you make has a chance of picking up the pot immediately; why pass up a chance to take down 2 PTBB with a hand like 98s? If you have a large database, check out your PTBB/hand for various preflop holdings and notice how few of them win you more money per hand than the 0.75 PTBBs that are in the blinds alone. If you've got one limper in front, the pot now has 1.25 PTBBs in it. Picking these pots up is a serious bonus.
3. Raising preflop sets you up to win the flop VERY often with a continuation bet. OK, so you got called; that's OK! You've now got one opponent who limp/called into a pot, and the board fell with garbage. Your opponent has checked to you. When you bet the pot here, you're going to take down the pot at least 2/3 of the time, showing a VERY tidy profit. Even if you get called, your hand can improve on the turn, or you can take a free river card. The odds of you making money on this hand remain extremely high.
4. Raising preflop makes hand-reading MUCH easier. So you limped preflop with A3s and five people see a flop that comes 743r. Is your hand good? You can't even GUESS at what BB has, since it could be literally any two cards. Anybody who limped with garbage could have hit this rather nicely. However, if you raised big preflop and narrowed the field to heads-up, your odds of having the best hand on this flop are MUCH higher; it's hard for a stray 7 or 4 to have survived a preflop raise. You can narrow your opponent's holding down dramatically: he's usually holding either overcards (that missed) or possibly a pocket pair (that might be getting scared). If he check/calls your bet on the flop, you can start to narrow his holdings, assuming he's more likely to have a small pocket pair, either 22, 55, 66, or maybe 88 or 99. If a big card comes, you can bet again and easily fold out a stronger hand. Sure, it can backfire on you, but there's nothing more frustrating than having your JJ die on a flop of 733 when the big blind had 83o.
5. Raising more hands preflop disguises your big hands more effectively. If you raise 10% of the hands you play, then your opponents can narrow down your hand holdings extremely effectively when you DO raise. However, if you raise 50% of the hands you play, and you change it up based on table conditions, your hands will be MUCH stealthier. He raised from the button; is that 65s or AA? These are questions you want your opponents to have to ask. Not only does this boost the winrate for AA by getting these hands called more often and building them bigger pots, but it also boosts the winrate for 65s by concealing it much more effectively. Any gain you get from making your opponents' hands more easy to read is mirrored by the gain you get from making YOUR hands HARDER to read.

Again, I'm really glad people are finding this post useful; I've been thinking about writing this post for some time now, and after another flurry of "do these stats look right?" posts, I figured now was as good a time as any.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4950548 - 03/04/06 03:45 PM

This post is really great, and I've learned alot both about my game and poker tracker from it.

But I'm not sure your advice on "Post Flop Aggression" numbers is accurate, atleast for six max. If I add both my raise + bet percentage up I get 39.67 (36.72 and 2.95 respectivley). This doesn't quite meet your 40% mark that you advocate, but I almost always cbet, as I think my 11% check and 5% fold numbers indicate.

I think it must really depend on what your no flop/no action % is, mine is 42. The higher it is the more you are going to have to cbet to get up to your 40% bet+raise number. I think you may need to take that into consideration, atleast for six max players.

Great post. Thanks again.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4950634 - 03/04/06 03:55 PM

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Your default play here should be to fold weak suited connectors and reraise strong ones.

weak suited connectors being 23,34, & 45? and what are considered strong suited connectors?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4950732 - 03/04/06 04:11 PM

Wow, this is an absolutely phenomenal post. I learned flaws in my game, such as that I am a loser with both suited connectors and unsuited connectors and that I need to be slightly more agressive postflop.

Pokey - do these numbers and suggesstions apply for full ring, 6-max, or doesn't it matter?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#4950886 - 03/04/06 04:34 PM

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I might make another post on this, pokey said this was his opinion and I dont want to put him on the spot and I am curious how many other players dont raise pre flop.

...you're joking right?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4952654 - 03/04/06 08:41 PM

great post. I am somewhat new to NL cash games and this should help me a ton once I get some hands in the ole' DB

Shortcutted this post immediately BTW, I'm sure it'll end up in the FAQ

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4952843 - 03/04/06 09:09 PM

Great post...i am pretty new and i never really learnt how to use poker tracker properly...they were all just a bunch of numbers to me...now i think i can start to make a bit of sense of it all....

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: viper930]
#4953156 - 03/04/06 09:54 PM

Someone that used to post in here and I wish I could remember who, said they rarely raised preflop, to include big pocket pairs. He had a very healthy winrate and was a well looked upon poster. His defense of this "style" was that he felt that the preflop equity he gave up was more than made up for by the postflop equity that he gained. I'll see if I cant dig up the posts, but with the search function on this system, dont hold your breath

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: vulturesrow]
#4953387 - 03/04/06 10:31 PM

Thanks for a great post. Definitely warrants reviewing some of my own stats.
Now on the PF aggression topic:
I think the game level ultimately plays a big part in your preflop aggression. If you are playing micro NL with a table of maniacs or call stations (standard micro) the equity of preflop raising can go down a bit. You can argue that it is still better to be aggro preflop in either circumstance but at micro/low limits this often leads to tears. Knowing that the other players thrive on raisewars (in maniac situation) or can't get rid of any 2 (station situation) do you really want to push your connecters hard preflop? I don't think this applies as you move up, even in higher SSNL, but if you know you are going to get called down when you hit it can be profitable to play less aggro. Again, I am talking specifically about uber SS before people tear into my line.

Edited by ooinsight (03/04/06 10:33 PM)

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4956415 - 03/05/06 08:43 AM

Quote:

There are a variety of reasons why raising preflop too infrequently will hurt you:
1. When you've got the best starting hand, you're most likely to have the best hand at showdown. The more money you get into the pot, the better.
2. Every raise and bet you make has a chance of picking up the pot immediately; why pass up a chance to take down 2 PTBB with a hand like 98s? If you have a large database, check out your PTBB/hand for various preflop holdings and notice how few of them win you more money per hand than the 0.75 PTBBs that are in the blinds alone. If you've got one limper in front, the pot now has 1.25 PTBBs in it. Picking these pots up is a serious bonus.
3. Raising preflop sets you up to win the flop VERY often with a continuation bet. OK, so you got called; that's OK! You've now got one opponent who limp/called into a pot, and the board fell with garbage. Your opponent has checked to you. When you bet the pot here, you're going to take down the pot at least 2/3 of the time, showing a VERY tidy profit. Even if you get called, your hand can improve on the turn, or you can take a free river card. The odds of you making money on this hand remain extremely high.
4. Raising preflop makes hand-reading MUCH easier. So you limped preflop with A3s and five people see a flop that comes 743r. Is your hand good? You can't even GUESS at what BB has, since it could be literally any two cards. Anybody who limped with garbage could have hit this rather nicely. However, if you raised big preflop and narrowed the field to heads-up, your odds of having the best hand on this flop are MUCH higher; it's hard for a stray 7 or 4 to have survived a preflop raise. You can narrow your opponent's holding down dramatically: he's usually holding either overcards (that missed) or possibly a pocket pair (that might be getting scared). If he check/calls your bet on the flop, you can start to narrow his holdings, assuming he's more likely to have a small pocket pair, either 22, 55, 66, or maybe 88 or 99. If a big card comes, you can bet again and easily fold out a stronger hand. Sure, it can backfire on you, but there's nothing more frustrating than having your JJ die on a flop of 733 when the big blind had 83o.
5. Raising more hands preflop disguises your big hands more effectively. If you raise 10% of the hands you play, then your opponents can narrow down your hand holdings extremely effectively when you DO raise. However, if you raise 50% of the hands you play, and you change it up based on table conditions, your hands will be MUCH stealthier. He raised from the button; is that 65s or AA? These are questions you want your opponents to have to ask. Not only does this boost the winrate for AA by getting these hands called more often and building them bigger pots, but it also boosts the winrate for 65s by concealing it much more effectively. Any gain you get from making your opponents' hands more easy to read is mirrored by the gain you get from making YOUR hands HARDER to read.

Pokey, every single last piece of the above on why to raise pre-flop was crystal clear and made absolute sense to me.

You sir are gifted in two areas:

1. The game of poker.
2. The ability to perfectly articulate your understanding of the game to others.

Respect.

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Pokey's Poker Check Up [Re: Pokey]
#4957398 - 03/05/06 12:55 PM

This is a terrific post , Pokey.
I have just been doing all you suggest and creating the filters for my "Pokey's Poker Checkup" as i go, and keeping them for future reference.
A question arises on #8.
What is the difference between :cold called, and Voluntarily put money in pot (but did not raise)??
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Edited by HoldenFoldem (03/05/06 12:58 PM)

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: silentbob]
#4957565 - 03/05/06 01:21 PM

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This needs to be sticky-ed or FAQed. Great post.

Agreed, great post.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4961082 - 03/05/06 08:17 PM

I found this post during a search for info on "first action on flop after a pre-flop raise" information.

I read and followed the whole post before I realized that this was NL focused. It's still a fantastic peice of work, and valuable even for Limit players like myself.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: OrianasDaad]
#4966239 - 03/06/06 09:38 AM

I just wanted to concur with others that this post should be stickied. Great Post Pokey. Thanks!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: cgm93]
#4966530 - 03/06/06 10:19 AM

Brilliant post.

I have only 6500 in my PT database right now. That's not enough to draw any conclusions is it? I'm down overall with my suited connectors, for example, but I've only had 256 of them...

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4966697 - 03/06/06 10:46 AM

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Raising preflop sets you up to win the flop VERY often with a continuation bet.

Very true. I filtered for First Raised PF and Bet on Flop. I won 71% of them without a showdown. That means I didn't even need AA/KK or whatever. I could have had 72o. This is at 50 NL 6 max.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#4966738 - 03/06/06 10:53 AM

One thing about raising 1/2 the hands pf that you see the flop with: I don't think this is great advice when you have limpers who acted before you. Ok, if you have AA/KK/AK, then ok. But raising with 98s in the CO when 3 other have limped in can't be that smart.

What are you trying to accomplish with a raise here?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: DonkBluffer]
#4966775 - 03/06/06 10:57 AM

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Brilliant post.

I have only 6500 in my PT database right now. That's not enough to draw any conclusions is it? I'm down overall with my suited connectors, for example, but I've only had 256 of them...

I would wait until around 50k minimum hands before you can draw any real conclusions.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: dp13368]
#4966852 - 03/06/06 11:06 AM

In honor of this post, henceforth, I shall refer to Poker Tracker as Pokey Tracker.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: BukNaked36]
#5228820 - 03/29/06 01:49 AM

Awesome post etc etc

Just a quickie, how do I find out my % check raise in PT? Can't find it with my feeble brain...

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: 3N1GM4]
#5228893 - 03/29/06 01:54 AM

on the general info page top part clikc the button in the bottom right corner that says more details. check raise percentage is at the bottom of the more details page

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: the machine]
#5229099 - 03/29/06 02:11 AM

thanks I found it, but it is the upper of the two "more detail" buttons. But hey, I'm just being pedantic now. Cheers.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: 3N1GM4]
#5232654 - 03/29/06 11:49 AM

Thanks for yet another great thread, Pokey.

Can't wait to hit the tables tonight with new and improved poker strategy!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: dawade]
#5234044 - 03/29/06 01:50 PM

Nice post. Adding it to my favorites as I write this.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#5287267 - 04/03/06 04:45 AM

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This is a how-to post, but it doesn't belong in the software forum; it's to teach people how they can use the Poker Tracker data to find flaws in their game.

Not a week goes by that someone doesn't ask if they are playing the game right. In that post, they include a dozen numbers from Poker Tracker and hope that the old-timers on SSNL can fix all their holes. While it's true that Poker Tracker can help find problems, this is not the way to approach it.

I'm going to try to give you a rough guide for the things you can do to check on your game. These are all just my opinion; they're all subject to interpretation, and other people may disagree with me strongly. The best way to play is usually player-specific, but these strike me as some things you can check on that are frequent flaws in the small-stakes player's game.

1. Do you have sufficient preflop aggression? To answer this question, open up your ring game statistics and go to the "position stats" page. For each position other than the small blind, divide the "PF Raise %" by the "Vol. Put \$ In Pot." If you get a number smaller than 0.5, you're not aggressive enough out of that position. See, aggression is a relative term; it should be a function of your level of looseness. You can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 12%, and you can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 30%, but only if you are sufficiently aggressive. My general guideline is that you should raise at least half the hands you play, from every position on the table.

2. Are you positionally aware? Positional awareness means that you understand Ed Miller's comment when he said:
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Total all the dollars you've ever bet playing poker. The large majority of those dollars should have been bet from late position. Only a small percentage of your total handle should have been bet from up front.

To test this, go to the Position Stats and look down the list of VPIP from Button to UTG. You should see that VPIP steadily dropping the farther you get from the button. I'd love to see my button VPIP at double my UTG VPIP, but if my Button VPIP is at least 50% larger than my UTG VPIP, I'm happy with the situation.

3. How's my stealing? To check on your performance when trying a blind steal, go to the General Info. tab. Where it says "Att. To Steal Blinds" I'd like to see that number at LEAST 20%. (Personally, I like mine to be over 30%, but I'm very aggressive in these situations. If you're trying to steal the blinds less than 20% of the time, you're leaving lots of money on the table.) Now click on "Filters..." and under "Chance to Steal Blinds" click "Chance to Steal & Raised." Select OK and look at the numbers. This shows every time you've tried to steal the blinds, and how the attempt turned out for you. Under "Totals" see the "BB/Hand" statistic. That shows your per-hand winrate on blind steals. If you multiply this number by 100, it should be at least double your "PTBB/100" average winrate. If it's much less than that and you have a decent sample size, you have a hole in your game when it comes to blind stealing. This should be an exceedingly profitable thing to do when you try it; if it's not, you need to work on your strategy.

4. Defending the blinds. Click on "Turn Filter Off," and then click on "Filters..." again. Under "Blind Status" click on "Either Blind." Now under "Vol. Put \$ In Pot" click on "Put Money In." This shows you if you're bleeding money out of the blinds. A "BB/Hand" of about -0.375 would indicate that you were no better off putting money into the pot than if you had folded. If your "BB/Hand" is larger than that, then you typically win back some of your blind money when you put money into the pot from the blinds. That's all you can really hope for. If you click on "Filters..." again and go under "Steal Attempted Against Your Blind" and click on "Steal Attempted." After you click "OK" you'll now see how you did when you chose to defend against a blind steal. Again, the magic number is for your "BB/Hand" to be bigger than -0.375; that means you're making back some of your blinds when you try to defend against a steal. If either of these numbers is lower than -0.375, you'd lose less money by always folding rather than doing what you're doing.

5. Heads-up play. Click on “Turn Filter Off,” then click on “Filters…” again. Under “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” change the range from “0 to 10 players” to “2 to 2 players.” Hit “OK” and see what comes up. This shows you how you’ve done when you were heads-up preflop, but a flop was dealt. See how you’ve done in these situations. If things look OK, go back to “Filters…” and under “Pre-flop Raise” select “No Raise.” This will show you how you’ve done when you didn’t raise preflop, but the hand was heads-up on the flop (this includes pure limping and when someone ELSE raised preflop, but not when you were the preflop raiser). Is this number positive? If not, it could be an indicator that you have trouble when you are not the aggressor preflop, especially without padding in the pot.

6. Multiway pots. Clear the filter and go back under filters. Change “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” to “3 to 10 players.” This shows you how you do in multiway pots. If things look good, go back and select “No Raise” under “Pre-flop Raise.” Is it still positive? If so, you’re selecting good times to play/limp multiway pots, and you’re playing them well postflop.

7. Pocket pairs. Under “Filters…” change the “Type of Hole Cards” to “Pairs.” This will show you how you generally play and perform with pocket pairs. Your Total VPIP with these should be EXTREMELY high; unless you play at highly unusual tables, I’d be surprised to see this number below 85%. Pocket pairs make extremely powerful hands that are extremely well-hidden; if you’re not playing them almost all the time, you’re leaving money on the table. Also, your Total PFR% with these hands should be rather high -- at least 1/3 of your VPIP, if not 1/2. Some people have this number higher still, and I don’t have a problem with that, especially at short-handed tables. If you have enough hands, I’d expect every one of these lines to be positive, and reasonably significantly so. If you have any glaringly negative numbers, especially AA-88, it may indicate bad play. Look over individual hands where you lose lots of money and see if you played too timidly early in the hand, or if you went too far unimproved in the face of resistance. Also, look at the hands where you won to see if you played too timidly, or if you routinely forced weaker hands out when you should have been milking them for profits.

8. Suited connectors. Under “Filters…” change “Type of Hole Cards” to “Suited Connectors.” I’m much less likely to play suited connectors than pocket pairs, but some people play them religiously. As a result, I don’t really have a good suggestion as to how high your VPIP or PFR should be. However, your BB/hand should be positive; if it’s not, you’re probably not playing your suited connectors well. Remember: these hands play best in a multiway, unraised pot, or as a steal move. In the “Filters…” change “Vol. Put \$ In Pot” to “Cold-Called.” When you hit OK, you should have almost no entries to view. Of the times you cold-called, you should be able to come up with a specific explanation for why you did so in each and every one of them. Review the hand histories; if you can’t come up with a really good reason why you thought it better to cold-call, rather than raise or fold, you need to rethink your suited connector strategy. Good explanations: the raise was very small, villain is passive post-flop, I had position on villain, villain and I are both extremely deep-stacked, villain is incredibly aggressive preflop, my suited connectors are particularly strong, there are several cold-callers in front of me, etc. I’m not saying you shouldn’t ever cold-call with suited connectors; rather, I’m saying you shouldn’t AUTOMATICALLY do so. Your default play here should be to fold weak suited connectors and reraise strong ones.

9. Unsuited connectors. Clear the filter and then go back into it. Change “Type of Hole Cards” to “Off-Suited Connectors.” Your VPIP for these hands should be noticeably smaller than your VPIP for suited connectors. Check your winrate and make sure it’s positive. Filter for cold-calling and see if you had good reasons for doing so, keeping in mind that the reasons need to be even stronger than for suited connectors.

10. Postflop aggression. Clear the filter. Select the “More Detail…” button above the “Filters…” button. Scroll down. There is a section marked “First Action on Flop After A Pre-flop Raise.” This shows your likelihood of continuation betting. If you add Bet and Raise, the total should be at least 40%. If it’s not, you’re probably giving up too soon on your good hands, and that will cost you money in the long run. Remember: people who cold-call a preflop bet are often in fit-or-fold mode. If you don’t bet, you don’t give them a chance to fold. The pot is already decent-sized, and there’s no reason to give some donk a free look at a turn card that could sink you. If you raised preflop, you need a good reason NOT to raise the flop. Continuation betting should be your default play. Scroll down a bit farther to “Aggression Factor.” Your total aggression factor should be at LEAST 2. No-limit is not a game where you can call frequently and turn a profit. You should always be looking to see if you can raise or fold; only if you have a good reason why you CANNOT raise or fold should you call. As a result, calling should be an infrequent occurrence in your play, which gives you a large aggression factor.

11. Check-raising. Some people never check-raise; others check-raise infrequently. I personally like to check-raise at least once in awhile; 1% would be fine, 0.5% would be acceptable. The goal of the check-raise is to remind your opponents that just because you checked does NOT mean that you don’t have a hand. However, circumstances need to be very specific for a check-raise to be appropriate. Typically, I check-raise on the flop when OOP against a preflop raiser, or on the turn when OOP against a flop bettor/raiser who was clearly not on a draw (uncoordinated flop). If you are check raising much more than 2% of the time, you’re being entirely too tricky for a SSNL table, and straightforward play would probably be more profitable for you.

All of this is just an introduction to the kinds of self-analysis you can/should do with Poker Tracker statistics. Notice how much more in-depth it is than just glancing at a few VPIP numbers. Typically, the only person who can truly do a “check-up” on your playing style and ability is YOU. As always, if in your searching you find hands that indicate you may have a flaw in your poker reasoning, post them up (one at a time, of course). Tell us the problem you are worried you might have, and why you think this hand might indicate the problem. Then, open the discussion up to see if 2+2ers agree or disagree.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#5310494 - 04/05/06 12:50 AM

Here's another vote for getting this stickied. NH, Pokey.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: KingOfSwords]
#5316612 - 04/05/06 02:54 PM

Sticky this mofo Isura/Grunch

Is pokey becoming the next fimbul? maybe...

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: MaddHatter]
#5316875 - 04/05/06 03:16 PM

woah how did I miss this!?

pure Gold Pokey K++

manythanks.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: matrix]
#5317614 - 04/05/06 04:18 PM

Thank you!
Great info even for a beginner with a small db, will actively monitor different stats from now on

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#5387052 - 04/11/06 05:58 AM

5. Heads-up play. Click on “Turn Filter Off,” then click on “Filters…” again. Under “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” change the range from “0 to 10 players” to “2 to 2 players.” Hit “OK” and see what comes up. This shows you how you’ve done when you were heads-up preflop, but a flop was dealt. See how you’ve done in these situations. If things look OK, go back to “Filters…” and under “Pre-flop Raise” select “No Raise.” This will show you how you’ve done when you didn’t raise preflop, but the hand was heads-up on the flop (this includes pure limping and when someone ELSE raised preflop, but not when you were the preflop raiser). Is this number positive? If not, it could be an indicator that you have trouble when you are not the aggressor preflop, especially without padding in the pot.

When I hit this I get a red nummber and when I click "not a blin" or "put vol money in" it goes green. for point nr 5 to be correct dont u have to click "not a blind" or? is this my leak maybe what are "good nr" here in that case. Im a limit player have above 50k of hands and have "good" stats on the other points

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#6005727 - 05/30/06 04:17 PM

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3. How's my stealing? To check on your performance when trying a blind steal, go to the General Info. tab. Where it says "Att. To Steal Blinds" I'd like to see that number at LEAST 20%. (Personally, I like mine to be over 30%, but I'm very aggressive in these situations. If you're trying to steal the blinds less than 20% of the time, you're leaving lots of money on the table.) Now click on "Filters..." and under "Chance to Steal Blinds" click "Chance to Steal & Raised." Select OK and look at the numbers. This shows every time you've tried to steal the blinds, and how the attempt turned out for you. Under "Totals" see the "BB/Hand" statistic. That shows your per-hand winrate on blind steals. If you multiply this number by 100, it should be at least double your "PTBB/100" average winrate. If it's much less than that and you have a decent sample size, you have a hole in your game when it comes to blind stealing. This should be an exceedingly profitable thing to do when you try it; if it's not, you need to work on your strategy.

Any reason for this?

By the way, I am stealing with basically ATC on the button and CO and my winrate is 0.55PTBB/hand. Thanks Pokey, this seem to work.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: kerplunkNL]
#6005842 - 05/30/06 04:24 PM

I wondered about some of these numbers too kerplunk (except I just PMed him). This definitely deserves a bump.

What is the reason for that statement pokey about BSing being 100x winrate>

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: bent96]
#6006238 - 05/30/06 04:52 PM

Because PT reports this winrate as per hand, but the winrate you care about is per 100 hands. So, in order to convert you must multiply the reported rate by 100.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Mathemagician]
#6006358 - 05/30/06 05:01 PM

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Because PT reports this winrate as per hand, but the winrate you care about is per 100 hands. So, in order to convert you must multiply the reported rate by 100.

M

Okay so I take my Steals, multiply my BB/100 (1.06) and take that times 100 which would be 106 PT BB. So if my winrate is 53 PT BB/100 then I am alright?

What am I doing wrong here?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: bent96]
#6007895 - 05/30/06 07:10 PM

Take the number PT reports in the BB/Hand column with the "On Steal" filter applied and multiply that number by 100 to get your BB/100 on steals. Compare this to your regular BB/100 winrate on all hands.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: bent96]
#6008245 - 05/30/06 07:42 PM

bookmarked.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Mathemagician]
#6013088 - 05/31/06 03:15 AM

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Take the number PT reports in the BB/Hand column with the "On Steal" filter applied and multiply that number by 100 to get your BB/100 on steals. Compare this to your regular BB/100 winrate on all hands.

M

I understand this. Is there any reason why this should be at least double your winrate?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#6013684 - 05/31/06 05:12 AM

thanks, great post. added to favorites

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: 5onof]
#6016299 - 05/31/06 12:35 PM

This is an excellent post. I think I'm going to attempt to write the SQL to create a report that would allow me to quickly get a print-out of all my stats with the appropriate filters applied.

If anyone has already written some of the SQL queries please send me a PM and I'll start compiling them into a single report.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: 5onof]
#6016875 - 05/31/06 01:27 PM

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thanks, great post. added to favorites

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Nato76]
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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#6073973 - 06/05/06 08:48 AM

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: kerplunkNL]
#6075382 - 06/05/06 11:59 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Take the number PT reports in the BB/Hand column with the "On Steal" filter applied and multiply that number by 100 to get your BB/100 on steals. Compare this to your regular BB/100 winrate on all hands.

M

I understand this. Is there any reason why this should be at least double your winrate?

Meh, double was arbitrary. If I were writing it now, I'd say it should be more like quadruple, but that's still just a vague rule.

If I really wanted a number to compare, I'd probably take the reported per-hand winrate, multiply by 100, and multiply by my VPIP (as a fraction). I'll use my numbers as an example:

Over the last 3,710 hands at \$100NL, I've had a winrate on blind steals of 1.65 PTBB/hand.
Multiplying by 100, that's a winrate of 165 PTBB/100.
My VPIP has been 26.77%, so multiplying we get 165*(0.2677) = 44.2 PTBB/100. That should be larger than my regular winrate.

The reasoning behind this math is that our winrate is over the hands that we actually *play*. If we have a winrate of 6 PTBB/100 but a VPIP of 20%, that means that on the 1/5th of hands we actually choose to play, we win an average of 30 PTBB/100, and then on the 80% we don't play, we win nothing. Since the "blind steal" filter automatically focuses exclusively on hands where we are playing, our winrate should be much higher -- multiplying by your VPIP gives you more of an apples-to-apples comparison.

The main point is that you need to compare your blind-stealing winrate to a higher number than your overall PTBB/100 or else you're deceiving yourself into thinking you're doing a great job when you might not be.

Blind steals should be VERY profitable since you're in the most advantageous situation that the game can offer. If you can't post a SOLID win on your blind steals, you need to reconsider your strategy.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#6075447 - 06/05/06 12:03 PM

Thats funny you posted that today, I was reviewing my stats and got all excited cause mine was extremely high compared to my PTBB stats. I feel cruel though and am having difficulties with the moral implications of blind stealing. Perhaps I should hold my breath until this sensation go's away.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#6075453 - 06/05/06 12:04 PM

Thank you

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: duckman]
#6453294 - 07/07/06 10:15 AM

awesomeness, good work Pokey

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: SinkRox]
#6453411 - 07/07/06 10:31 AM

omg, how did i miss this? thanks for the bump.

Awesome post. Thank you.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Biesterfield]
#6898771 - 08/13/06 12:47 AM

Quote:

Pokey - do these numbers and suggesstions apply for full ring, 6-max, or doesn't it matter?

It has been mentioned several times on this thread and I'm just wondering if there should be any differences (and if so, what are they) for 6-max games?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: cauthon]
#6901979 - 08/13/06 01:41 PM

When I hit this I get a red nummber and when I click "not a blin" or "put vol money in" it goes green. for point nr 5 to be correct dont u have to click "not a blind" or? is this my leak maybe what are "good nr" here in that case. Im a limit player have above 50k of hands and have "good" stats on the other points

I just finished 10k hands of dime NL full ring at Stars and am using this thread to evaluate.

I'm pleased to report that I'm looking good in all areas and will now take up 6max at the same blind level.

(I am a proud father of a young family and don't get to play as much as I'd like, and have raided bankroll a number of times for groceries n' stuff.... but I envy you guys who have moved on to high limit play somewhat... /disclaimer)

Anyway. I learned my heads-up play from that section of HPFAP and I'm in positive territory on both the settings, so you might want to go back over that section.

I give 'em straight hell heads-up unless they absolutely show me a reason to drop.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: chrispac]
#6902653 - 08/13/06 03:21 PM

Quote:

It has been mentioned several times on this thread and I'm just wondering if there should be any differences (and if so, what are they) for 6-max games?

Wow; I haven't looked at this thread in quite some time, so let me see....

I originally wrote it when I was playing full-ring but I really don't see anything that needs heavy adjustment for six-max. The only point that could use some tweaking is #2, since having a Button VPIP double that of your UTG VPIP is going to be hard at a six-max table. I still think the 50% guideline is sensible, though.

Most of this stuff was pretty table-neutral.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#6929548 - 08/15/06 02:50 PM

Pokey, this is great stuff, and thank you.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: relayerdave]
#7248694 - 09/11/06 04:11 AM

awesome post, thanks a lot

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#7249020 - 09/11/06 05:31 AM

domo arigatoo mr pokito

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Das Budrick]
#7268599 - 09/12/06 06:21 PM

thanks.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#7315328 - 09/16/06 09:07 AM

I got linked here from another post. Great info, thanks!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Jouster777]
#7333277 - 09/18/06 11:27 AM

Perhaps this is a n00bish query but here goes.

I've been playing full-ring on the Tribeca network for the last month or so, and I use PT. Now I'm beginning to play 6-max. What I want is to have a different set of stats for each game type. Does anyone have any advice on how best this is done? Thanks in advance.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#7379624 - 09/21/06 07:59 PM

Pokey, I think you should have this as your epitaph on your grave stone. This is such a good thread it should be compulsive reading for everyone who posts on the forum! I return to it to help me check my play every month. I'm still having trouble with JJ and 99 but it's getting better and I wouldn't of picked it up with out this piece of genius.

Once again, thank you.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: lorez]
#7552195 - 10/05/06 03:19 AM

Bumping for great justice!

And to say thanks, Pokey.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: dazraf69]
#7584234 - 10/08/06 12:20 AM

Quote:

I should hold my breath until this sensation go's away.

goes?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#7755500 - 10/21/06 10:48 PM

Stickied, Printed and saved

Thanks

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: luke4130]
#7755889 - 10/21/06 11:55 PM

Wow, i had missed this one. I've said it before, I'll say it again, Pokey you're sick.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#7929323 - 11/04/06 09:12 PM

Hi,

Would this be relevant to analyse my PokerTracker NL tournament statistics? I've had a quick look through and found some good and bad parts to my game, but I'm wondering if tournaments require different values?

Thanks

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: paratacus]
#7952311 - 11/06/06 09:32 PM

I'm new to NL, but I'm adding this post to my favorites. I know it will come in handy later. I'm digging (I hate the search function!) for PT auto-rate guidelines. I have some good ones for Limit, but am still looking for good NL guidelines.

Edit: Never mind! Right there in the sticky!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: onthebutton]
#7952372 - 11/06/06 09:39 PM

is there a way in 2+2 to mark your favorite posts to a list and jsut go to that list later on?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: DJSHAD0W]
#7952645 - 11/06/06 10:07 PM

how does one find their hourly using PT?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: delta k]
#7952650 - 11/06/06 10:08 PM

and their table ratio?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: delta k]
#8198126 - 11/27/06 11:01 PM

Im bumping this cuz its a great thread and to find ur hourly rate go to the session notes tab right under the session notes tab is says session summary. Go down from there and there should be another session summary to the right of that u will see show true hourly win rate and check that box.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: cauthon]
#8591669 - 12/29/06 03:34 PM

2 + 2 = 1 step ahead

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: 530uts]
#8686237 - 01/07/07 12:29 AM

I'm trying to find out how I can analyze my blind vs blind play. I cannot find a way to filter the hands where its folded to the SB.

Edited by PieterS (01/07/07 12:39 AM)

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#8728371 - 01/10/07 10:26 AM

thanks for this.. great post!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: 1Cowboys]
#8836943 - 01/20/07 01:29 AM

are you positionally aware?
I've been playing more and, as a result, using pt a whole lot more. There is more to add to this topic.

I started reflecting on this after tannenj's Pooh-bah post on playing junk in late position.

Many of us already know the importance of stealing blinds. Gordon had a few good tid-bits in LGB. Pokey wrote a pooh-bah post on first-in blind stealing. dbitel took it one step further in his pooh-bah and discussed stealing from limpers as well as the blinds. Instructions for checking blind stealing stats are in the OP.

However, one thing not in the check-ups is how we do when facing raises while in late position. Luckily, pt helps us here as well and is of value.

under general info, goto filters
set the # off the button at less than or equal to 1. (captures cutoff and button)
Than, under Voluntary put in pot, select cold-called.

This number should definitely be positive, otherwise you are not taking advantage of position to outplay opponents post flop. If it's not positive, you'd be better off folding in such situations.

I'm not sure how positive. Mine is +0.73BB/hand over my last 40k hands at fullring , but I actually think that's pretty low .

Now, you can choose to look through at all your hands from there, or go back through filters and select specific categories of hole cards (pairs, suited connectors, off-suited connectors, suited, off-suit).

Obviously, pairs should be really high. Mine was +2.24BB/hand even with set over set against a few times. What I found truly remarkable is that I was slightly negative with off-suit connectors, despite thinking I was only playing them in key spots. It's obviously a leak for me and something I should improve. But, once again, it reinforces how important suitedness is in real poker. It's much more important than 'hot' and 'cold' simulations would have one think.

that's all for now

I'm curious as to what other posters have as their numbers as well as any other thoughts they have on the subject.

Also, is there a way to filter for 3-betting from late position?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: MyTurn2Raise]
#8837070 - 01/20/07 01:44 AM

Pokey's OP did a good job of explaining pure steals. I classify a pure steal as the table folds around to you in late position and you raise first into the pot hoping to take the blinds, or mutilate them postflop with position.

dbitel took it a step further in his poohbah post and discussed not only raising to take the blinds, but raising loose EP limpers to take their limp as well. These situations can be quite profitable.
PT can be used to check for this as well
Hopefully, you already used Pokey's check to see that your doing a fantastic job on stealing blinds. This number is a benchmark necessary for the next part.
To check on how well you are executing dbitel's advice, goto filters under general info.
-Make sure everything is in the default position.
-switch 'position off the button' to less than or equal to 1.
-put 'preflop raise' to any raise.
-click ok

You should now see a number that reflects both your traditional steals (Pokey method) and limpers plus blinds steal (dbitel extension). Since you (hopefully) already marked how well you did under traditional steals, you can add in how your additional steals are going. This number should be very postive. For me, it's over +1BB/hand.

But, some of you are thinking, of course it's positive. I'm raising my good hands typically and the limpers don't have anything. Well, I suggest you look at how well you do with your not-so-good hands. Under filters, you can select specific hands. Perhaps, you feel like not counting the top10% of hands. Well, go through and check the other 90%. This will give you an idea if you are using position and stealing to turn regular old hands into money-making machines.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#8837649 - 01/20/07 02:58 AM

one more thing that has been on my mind of late
dealing with other regulars

I just had a small post on this topic over in the new FRNLlol forum.

Like it or not, there are other semi-decent opponents who play the same games as we do. Unfortunately, putting our head in the sand and completely staying out of their way is not an option. Fortunately, many good alternatives do exist through the wonderful, magical world of pokertracker.

If you don't have a good idea as to how another regular approaches the game, look up his name in pt. Go through and look at the hands he plays. Approach and evaluate his game the same way you would yours (to a much more basic extent-- after all, time is limited). Pick out the common lines the regular plays. Think through what you can do to take advantage of your new found knowledge. There is no reason to have 2k+ hands on another player and not know if he plays his draws aggressively, how often he floats, what his 3-betting range is, how does he handle suited connectors, how does he handle mid pairs, does he felt with TPTK, etc. These people are your co-workers in a competitive environment. Can you imagine Drew Brees not knowing what formations and blitz packages the Bears will be bringing in the NFC title game, or where the strongpoints and weak links are? It seems just as ridiculous to me that we know so little about the other regulars that we face 3 or 4 times per week.

The bonus is that we also can learn about and, even, adapt other viewpoints and philosophies into our own game.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: MyTurn2Raise]
#8838362 - 01/20/07 05:02 AM

wow - MTT2R - thanks for doing these extra posts

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: MortenTA]
#8839044 - 01/20/07 08:39 AM

mt2r -- really good posts

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: tannenj]
#8839340 - 01/20/07 09:54 AM

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: DoGMaTiCMD]
#8847662 - 01/21/07 05:29 AM

dog, i can't edit the OP, i believe that's only an option for a few hours after you make a post.

if you think it's worth noting in that thread, please reply to the thread -- i've bumped it several times already, and feel it would be unfair to keep bringing my own thread to the top.

speaking of bumping, it looks like i've just bumped this post. that's a good thing, though, because mt2r's posts are really good additions to this thread and i think it would be good if more of ssnl read them.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: tannenj]
#9471638 - 03/07/07 11:53 PM

Thank you. This is a fantastic thread I never came across before.

I have a question - any suggestions on what these numbers should be in Omaha H/L?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: 1MoreFish4U]
#9472141 - 03/08/07 12:36 AM

As a new NL player, and convert from limit, I find myself calling down too much at times... This is reflected in my winrate so far. The one thing I can't understand though is why my W\$SD is so low when my WTSD is pretty low... Any way I can use PT to understand this?

Thanks

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#9552485 - 03/14/07 04:32 AM

I just got PokerTracker about a week ago, so I'm still learning it. One thing I cant figure this out. Today my Preflop Aggression Factor showed up as " --- " isntead of a number. It has always been a number before. Does " --- " mean something or did I accidently turn it off or something? Thanks

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#9770886 - 03/30/07 01:09 PM

great post, using this right after i get out of work.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: GoHeels]
#9770993 - 03/30/07 01:19 PM

Quote:

I just got PokerTracker about a week ago, so I'm still learning it. One thing I cant figure this out. Today my Preflop Aggression Factor showed up as " --- " isntead of a number. It has always been a number before. Does " --- " mean something or did I accidently turn it off or something? Thanks

Yes, you turned it off. In the general tab, click "More Detail.." and then check the checkbox at the top.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Rainclouds]
#9803824 - 04/02/07 04:34 AM

Very useful post.. Thank you..

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: RedBarracuda]
#9804017 - 04/02/07 05:09 AM

Thanks for the bump.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: _TKO_]
#10239250 - 05/04/07 11:49 AM

Unfckn real post, agree with all the excellent comments.

A couple of questions

What should our Went to SD and our Won \$ at SD be about? Obviously, they are somewhat related, and will depend upon our style.

My wsd is about 30% and won \$ at showdown is about 45%

I think i need to get the Won\$ at showdown up a bit, and go to the felt less often. Then again, there is a lot to be said for the crying call on the river! I think it was Caro that said (regarding limit) that your river calls will prolly lose, but, averaged out, they win. Obviously this applies less in NL than limit.

What sort of went to SD and won\$ at showdown are people getting?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: omaha]
#10239299 - 05/04/07 11:52 AM

Went to SD should be ~23%
Won \$ - 53%

This is mine over 100k, is this about right??

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Grim Reapa]
#10367492 - 05/14/07 03:32 PM

very useful post thx Pokey

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: luck=skill]
#10516229 - 05/25/07 07:33 AM

Great post / bump

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PokerTracker numbers: Tourney v. 50NL 6-max [Re: str0kes]
#10558668 - 05/28/07 10:25 PM

Quick question. How much variance is there in one's PT numbers full ring vs 6-max? It seems that when I play 6-max, I loosen up my hand selection a bit. As a result, PT deemed me as a Maniac (31.8/24/2.75). Granted, the sample size is puny, as I just started playing cash games not too long ago, but it seemed weird to go from a 1.69AF tourney to the 2.75AF 50NL 6-max. What should I make of this change?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#10632039 - 06/02/07 08:46 PM

Wow, what a post. And apparently my holes are the first things you discuss...

Quote:

1. Do you have sufficient preflop aggression? To answer this question, open up your ring game statistics and go to the "position stats" page. For each position other than the small blind, divide the "PF Raise %" by the "Vol. Put \$ In Pot." If you get a number smaller than 0.5, you're not aggressive enough out of that position. See, aggression is a relative term; it should be a function of your level of looseness. You can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 12%, and you can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 30%, but only if you are sufficiently aggressive. My general guideline is that you should raise at least half the hands you play, from every position on the table.

I play 6 max nearly exclusively. Here's my stats since PP quit taking US bets: (also coincidentally since my winrate plummeted)

Button : .60
1 : .39
2 : .33
3 : .33
BB : .45

This is the Pre Flop Raise / VPIP number, and obviously almost everything is less than .5, except for the button. My question is, which hands do I play more aggressive? I always thought I was a pretty aggressive player, but obviously not, as the remainder of this post will show.

Quote:

2. Are you positionally aware? Positional awareness means that you understand Ed Miller's comment when he said:
Quote:

Total all the dollars you've ever bet playing poker. The large majority of those dollars should have been bet from late position. Only a small percentage of your total handle should have been bet from up front.

To test this, go to the Position Stats and look down the list of VPIP from Button to UTG. You should see that VPIP steadily dropping the farther you get from the button. I'd love to see my button VPIP at double my UTG VPIP, but if my Button VPIP is at least 50% larger than my UTG VPIP, I'm happy with the situation.

My numbers:

Button : 28.63
1 : 26.90
2 : 27.13
3 : 25.50
BB : 15.53
SB : 35.51

I think this is generally trending in the right direction, but it is way off from what Pokey thinks is right. In particular, my Button VPIP isn't anywhere near 50% more than my UTG VPIP. Do I play more from the button, or play less from UTG? Or both? Is this as relevant in 6-max as it is in full ring?

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10. Postflop aggression. Clear the filter. Select the “More Detail…” button above the “Filters…” button. Scroll down. There is a section marked “First Action on Flop After A Pre-flop Raise.” This shows your likelihood of continuation betting. If you add Bet and Raise, the total should be at least 40%. If it’s not, you’re probably giving up too soon on your good hands, and that will cost you money in the long run. Remember: people who cold-call a preflop bet are often in fit-or-fold mode. If you don’t bet, you don’t give them a chance to fold. The pot is already decent-sized, and there’s no reason to give some donk a free look at a turn card that could sink you. If you raised preflop, you need a good reason NOT to raise the flop. Continuation betting should be your default play. Scroll down a bit farther to “Aggression Factor.” Your total aggression factor should be at LEAST 2. No-limit is not a game where you can call frequently and turn a profit. You should always be looking to see if you can raise or fold; only if you have a good reason why you CANNOT raise or fold should you call. As a result, calling should be an infrequent occurrence in your play, which gives you a large aggression factor.

My aggression factor:
Pre Flop : 0.59
Flop : 4.27
Turn : 3.38
River : 3.39
Total : 1.29

Again, I used to think I was pretty aggressive. How big a change do I need to make? Which portion should I be more aggressive on? All of them? If I change my PF aggression, will that fix the whole biscuit, or no? And as with PF aggression, how do I know how far to go? How aggressive is too aggressive?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokerho]
#10636584 - 06/03/07 07:45 AM

Regarding the last issue, just limp less and it's all good. It's really that simple.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#10669907 - 06/05/07 04:26 PM

you said under number one to open up your ring game stats,
does all this information apply exactly to cash games as well?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: godofPOPOV]
#10713233 - 06/08/07 12:53 PM

Great stuff !! Thnx

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Bonobo11]
#10756159 - 06/12/07 03:16 AM

I'm sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask this in, but can anyone tell me if PokerTracker currently works for OnGame skins?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Vecernicek]
#10756214 - 06/12/07 03:25 AM

thats pokerroom right? pretty sure it does but you have to get the HH by email i think.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: MyTurn2Raise]
#10756257 - 06/12/07 03:33 AM

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You should now see a number that reflects both your traditional steals (Pokey method) and limpers plus blinds steal (dbitel extension). Since you (hopefully) already marked how well you did under traditional steals, you can add in how your additional steals are going. This number should be very postive. For me, it's over +1BB/hand.

MT2R-

perhaps a silly question, but were you usuing AVG/HAND or BB/HAND when you posted it was +1?

also, were those FR stats or 6 max? i only ask because over 45k hands i steal very well, but when adding limpers my BB/hand only goes up like 2/10ths of a BB/hand (these are all 6 max hands)

Edited by sublime (06/12/07 03:37 AM)

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Unknown Soldier]
#10756518 - 06/12/07 04:10 AM

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thats pokerroom right? pretty sure it does but you have to get the HH by email i think.

Yeah, its PokerRoom, as well as Hollywood, etc.

There is a website that allows you to look up and go through HH's, so I was just wondering if HH#s would be enough? Or if you need to get them emailed, as you mentioned, or what. I'm having a hard time finding the answers on the PT site, but I'm also kind of stupid.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Vecernicek]
#10756765 - 06/12/07 04:45 AM

sorry, all i know is that they are supported. Not sure how to upload the HH

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Unknown Soldier]
#11007019 - 06/30/07 10:18 PM

Hey,

i am playing .10 - .25 \$ NL 6 max and i reviewed my PT database stats of about 40.000 hands with this guidelines. I managed to have a good and solid winrate of just under 8 PTBB/100 and most of the stats look good according to the guidelines, except two and i would appreciate advice on how to solve those leaks.

5. HEADS-UP PLAY: If i only change the number of players seeing the flop to the range of 2-2, then i get a positive BB/100. But when i select "No Raise" under "Pre-flop Raise" i get a negative (0.08) BB/100. How do i address this leak?

9. OFFSUITED CONNECTORS: When i check my BB/100 if look at my SUITED CONNECTORS i get a nice positive 0.47 BB/100 and i play alot of them, about 77% VPIP. But when i check my OFFSUITED CONNECTORS i get a negative (0.06). Can anyone help me with this leak, cause i think this number should be positive as well?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: nicksnuts]
#11008217 - 07/01/07 01:07 AM

nice post

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Saviour_Flare]
#11156184 - 07/11/07 08:01 PM

Hi everyone, first post.

I have known of 2+2 for as long as I have been playing poker with people other then my close friends, but never really felt the urge to post.

I was a member of another forum, but i was more there for general poker talk / poker entertainement / sillyness. Ive always known that for hard-core poker analysis by the brightest minds in the game to come to 2+2. It was too overwhelming at first (haha).

So, what I am wondering is if there is a way to combine the data from my account on PokerStars (9k hands tracked), with my account on FullTitl (2.5k hands tracked) and my account on PartyPoker (1k). ??

thanks

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Phase2]
#11156283 - 07/11/07 08:10 PM

Quote:

Hi everyone, first post.

I have known of 2+2 for as long as I have been playing poker with people other then my close friends, but never really felt the urge to post.

I was a member of another forum, but i was more there for general poker talk / poker entertainement / sillyness. Ive always known that for hard-core poker analysis by the brightest minds in the game to come to 2+2. It was too overwhelming at first (haha).

So, what I am wondering is if there is a way to combine the data from my account on PokerStars (9k hands tracked), with my account on FullTitl (2.5k hands tracked) and my account on PartyPoker (1k). ??

thanks

Welcome, and yes there is. Under the General Info tab in your database there is a button that says "Aliases..." at the top of the page and a little to the right. By clicking on that button it will allow you to combine your names on different sites.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Trident]
#11156499 - 07/11/07 08:27 PM

This is a great post and when I was running bad I looked it over and man it restored all confidence in myself.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: frankx99x]
#11157651 - 07/11/07 09:46 PM

phenomenal post

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#11828048 - 08/26/07 02:44 PM

I found out because of your advice that I lose about 8 ptbb/100 h when I coldcall or limp preflop and do not raise preflop. All in all I lost as much as I won because of my weak/bad play here. How can I learn to play a different style? Shall I 3bet more preflop with pocket pairs instead of calling them for setvalue? I hope s.o. might help me here.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#11884253 - 08/30/07 02:49 PM

I just wanted to add my name to the long list of people who've said thanks for this post. I've got hardly any hands in PT yet (500) so I'm ignoring the results data, but the decision data is already at least a little bit relevant I think - looks like I'm on the right track, except for my 0 raises ever on the turn so far :-)

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#11944256 - 09/04/07 12:43 PM

Hi all.

I have a problem with Poker Tracker.

First, when I open it, a WARNING appears:
"Another instnce of Poker Tracker is already running. Be axare that if you attempt to import hand histories from multiple instances at the same time it could leasd to database errors.
It is suggested that you NOT run more than one instance of Poker Tracker at the same time."

Next, when I click on the room I play, a second message appears: Hand History Files.
"Please note that you currently have 513 hand history files in your hand history folder. This indicates that you have not been moving/deleting or allowing Poker Yracker to move these files (using the Move processed files... option of this window) when you close this window. It could also just mean that this is the first time you have used the auto-import functionnality.
In either case, this many hand history files could cause the import to be somewhat slow and appear to be frozen at times while it is processing. It is strongly recommenended that you use the Move processed files... option to keep this window running as fast as possible.

What can I do? I really do not know where are the problems.

Can you help me ?

Edited by federer (09/04/07 12:43 PM)

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: federer]
#11944403 - 09/04/07 12:55 PM

Close your PT, then run Task Manager and go to Processes tab. See if there is a process named "ptrack2" and end it, that should solve problem 1.

Problem 2: remove your old HH files?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: DWarrior]
#11955850 - 09/05/07 06:46 AM

I sent a mail to the support of Poker Tracker.
For the first problem, they told me to restart the computer. I did it and the mistake has disappeared.

For the second problem, they told me to move or delete hand history files. But I do not know how I can do it ... !!!
Do you have an idea ?
Thanks for your help and i am sorry for my fish's questions!!!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: federer]
#11956045 - 09/05/07 07:42 AM

This isn't a PokerTracker How To forum.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Cue-Ball 66]
#11957674 - 09/05/07 11:23 AM

Awesome post, helped me out a ton thanks.

quick thing, doing the stealing filter test my result is 40.

0.4BB/hand*100 = 40

My BB/100 hands is 4.14.

have i screwed it up somehow?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: federer]
#11958311 - 09/05/07 12:17 PM

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For the second problem, they told me to move or delete hand history files. But I do not know how I can do it ... !!!
Do you have an idea ?

I don't know which site you're importing hands from, but somewhere on the appropriate menu there's space for you to specify a folder on your hard drive where you'd like Pokertracker to move the hand histories after it's imported them into the database.

Until you've done that, the hand histories will stay in the folder where the poker site first places them, and therefore Pokertracker will read through them ALL every time it imports hands into the database. (Of course, it's not going to find any new hands in those old files because it's already imported them once, but the point is, Pokertracker has to read them all before it knows they contain nothing new. This takes a lot of time and will substantially slow down performance.)

If you want to, just create a directory called OldHandHistories and use that as a dump. (Just be aware that you should not use a subdirectory of the main hand history directory. If you do, Pokertracker will still insist on reading the contents as part of its import procedure.)

Hope that makes sense. If not, PM me or ask again on this thread.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: DiamondDog]
#11971965 - 09/06/07 10:22 AM

Thanks a lot for your help DiamondDog. I will try to do what you say. Thanks again !!!
Sorry to disturb you Cue-Ball 66.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: federer]
#11994658 - 09/07/07 10:20 PM

Good, good stuff Pokey!!

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: KidFresh]
#11994684 - 09/07/07 10:23 PM

Numbers are for noobs.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Jay Riall]
#12020795 - 09/10/07 06:02 AM

*Bookmarked*

Definitely going to analyze my new database once I get enough hands in.

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: Pokey]
#12211451 - 09/23/07 11:09 PM

Looking to add this to my home page. Hope I'm doing this right. New to 2p2 and 51 yrs old and not too computer sauve

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: ThomasDayton]
#12354295 - 10/04/07 02:18 AM

I can't get the hand history to load and don't know how to use Hud. Can anyone give me the steps when they start a session?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: nicksnuts]
#12397564 - 10/07/07 01:22 PM

Quote:

Hey,

i am playing .10 - .25 \$ NL 6 max and i reviewed my PT database stats of about 40.000 hands with this guidelines. I managed to have a good and solid winrate of just under 8 PTBB/100 and most of the stats look good according to the guidelines, except two and i would appreciate advice on how to solve those leaks.

5. HEADS-UP PLAY: If i only change the number of players seeing the flop to the range of 2-2, then i get a positive BB/100. But when i select "No Raise" under "Pre-flop Raise" i get a negative (0.08) BB/100. How do i address this leak?

9. OFFSUITED CONNECTORS: When i check my BB/100 if look at my SUITED CONNECTORS i get a nice positive 0.47 BB/100 and i play alot of them, about 77% VPIP. But when i check my OFFSUITED CONNECTORS i get a negative (0.06). Can anyone help me with this leak, cause i think this number should be positive as well?

Have more or less the same problem - any one who can help?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: cribo]
#12451651 - 10/11/07 12:35 AM

Anyone use the icons to rate players quickly?

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: cribo]
#12458114 - 10/11/07 01:47 PM

[quote5. HEADS-UP PLAY: If i only change the number of players seeing the flop to the range of 2-2, then i get a positive BB/100. But when i select "No Raise" under "Pre-flop Raise" i get a negative (0.08) BB/100. How do i address this leak?

this is true for me for headsup and multiway. These are hands where I called a limp or a raise pf or checked behind in the BB. When I checked these there is 5800 hands where I was in the blinds and only 235 hands in other positions. I can never make back enough money in 235 hands that I have lost in 5800 from the blinds. I guess this could mean I should call more in position but I can not see how many more hands I would have to limp behind or call pf to have a sufficient number of hands to cover the blind losses. Any thoughts???

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: yegon]
#12523412 - 10/16/07 05:39 AM

I have discovered that I am losing money raising 22-44, I play a style where I will not limp atm. Is folding these holding utg losing vale? I don't think it's too important to add too much deception at ssnl. I think I will continue to rse limpers with these hands...Was just wondering if everyone plays all pps utg as I do? (six max ldo)

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Re: How to use Poker Tracker. [Re: scrapperdog]
#12822312 - 11/05/07 05:58 PM

this post is awesome!

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