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PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs
      #11251692 - 07/17/07 11:00 PM

Hey guys, It looks like I have finally made it to 1600 posts, and as 2+2 tradition dictates, it is time for me to impart some knowledge on ya. I'm not the best writer, but I will try my best.


Playing OOP is a lot tougher than playing in position. As a result you will generally find yourself folding hands that you would play if you had the button. Lets go over some standard situations.

Situation 1:

Opponent raises his button alot.

Just calling his raise allows for a lot of play postflop, so that should benefit you as the stronger player. Reraising commits you a lot more, and I really think the majority of your 3betting from the BB should be with good good hands.

In general you don't want to be calling with too much. I like to call with suited connecters, medium unsuited connectors, and decent hands. Reraising your good hands should be fairly standard, and you might mix in a reraise with stuff like T9o every now and then to mix up your play. Of course that is only if he is folding to your 3bets. If he never folds to your 3bets make them 3x or more, and make them with good hands only. Generally follow through with a bet on the flop if you 3bet him.

If you choose to call his raise, your decision on the flop is usually going to be check/raise or check/fold. If he doesn't cbet much you should throw some donks on the flop.

I really don't like the check/call line on the flop. All you are doing is making the pot bigger without giving yourself any fold equity. Even if your opponent is prone to firing the turn unimproved you aren't getting much value out of the ch/call, c/r turn line. Much better is c/r flop, c/r turn against that type of villain.

The problem with the c/call flop, c/r turn line is that it really shows a lot of strength. I prefer to do the check raise on the flop a lot, which really gives you a lot of options on the turn when he calls your check raise.

You can check the turn to feign weakness, bet half pot, bet 3/4 pot. You wouldn't believe how many super aggro opponents fall for the c/r flop check turn line. It is astounding. I really recommend this line against aggros.

Against passives your number 1 option should be to bet all streets if you have a good hand.


situation 2:

He raised 3x on the button, and you 3bet. Usually 3x his raise.

if your opponent barely raises, well you better have a strong hand to 3bet him. Think gap concept here. If he barely raises, chances are that he has a strong enough hand to call your 3bet or even 4bet. You can't really use 3betting as a weapon against those types.

Now against the heavy raisers, lets get to 3betting. Even if they like to call your 3bets, a half to 3/4 bet on the flop is usually enough to take it down. I like to 3bet hands like QJ, KQ, AJ+, hands that have a higher chance of connecting in some way to the flop. And I am generally willing to get it in if I flop some OESD or flush draw with some overs. The pot is usually quite big after a 3bet and flop cbet. You shouldn't be giving up very often after that action. And one your opponents realize that you likely aren't going away, they will start giving you these large pots.

In general you will get more respect for your bets OOP. So use that to your advantage.


Situation 3:

opponent limps, and you raise, generally 4x, 4.5x, 5x. If your opponent usually raises it can be profitable to auto raise and follow through on the flop. Be careful against sick good HU players though. When you are playing a good player think about checking in this situation more often than against fish. Good players are capable of mixing in a limp with a good hand, expecially if they have been raising alot.

This play is very effective against fish who are simply playing their hand according to it's strength. As with the 3bet, since you took the lead pf you should cbet almost everytime. 100% is pretty close to correct IMO. I like to make this play with hands that have a good chance of hitting the flop, and all my strong hands, simply to increase the pot size. But with my showdown value hands I prefer a check, then donk most flops line. That would be hands like A7, K8.

Situation 4:

opponent limps and you check. In this case I like to donk a lot of flops, usually a 2/3 pot bet. Of course this is against opponents who can fold. If they can't fold, take them to value town when you have it, and check/fold when you don't.

If they like to donk the flop alot too you can switch to the c/r. this will usually cause them to start checking the flop more when you check, which is good for you. If they always bet when you check, then always c/r. And do a few c/r bluffs also. Even if your c/r bluff doesnt work as often as a donkbet bluff, it will be more profitable when it does.


Ok now that I have gone over all of that, I feel that it is important to remind you all at the end that you should be playing tight OOP. Hopefully most of you use the tools I outlined in this post. But remember that all the tools in the world can only get you so far when you start out with the disadvantage of bad position. Fold your marginal hands, and play your decent hands optimally.

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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11251970 - 07/17/07 11:17 PM

Great post. Thank you.

I am playing OOP way to passive. I think this will help a lot.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11252475 - 07/17/07 11:52 PM

Awesome post!

I am fairly new to HU play, but there was something I was wondering today: What are the winrates of others from the BB? Just curious if anyone would like to share.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11252862 - 07/18/07 12:17 AM

Great topic choice, great post.

There is another possible scenario. Let's take the following villain type:

-generally passive, always limps the button
-will usually call your large (4-5xbb) OOP raise
-will continue calling on the flop and beyond if they catch any piece or draw

Let's say you get AKs OOP and make the standard 4-5xbb raise after the button limps. The flop is dry, you bet anyway, and get called. Assuming you don't connect, how many more barrels do you fire? Or do you take a different line from the beginning?


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: Svarog]
      #11253138 - 07/18/07 12:37 AM

Quote:

Great topic choice, great post.

There is another possible scenario. Let's take the following villain type:

-generally passive, always limps the button
-will usually call your large (4-5xbb) OOP raise
-will continue calling on the flop and beyond if they catch any piece or draw

Let's say you get AKs OOP and make the standard 4-5xbb raise after the button limps. The flop is dry, you bet anyway, and get called. Assuming you don't connect, how many more barrels do you fire? Or do you take a different line from the beginning?




usually firing a second barrel. And AK is an always raise for me.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11253867 - 07/18/07 01:16 AM

Thanks for your contribution to the forum. I threw a link to this post in the sticky.

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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: Leader]
      #11253893 - 07/18/07 01:18 AM

Quote:

Thanks for your contribution to the forum. I threw a link to this post in the sticky.




ty leader.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11253933 - 07/18/07 01:20 AM

I'd like to throw a shout out to hokie for telling me to write about OOPery.

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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11254189 - 07/18/07 01:36 AM

Great post Dboy, I'll add it to my NL sticky.

New date for Limit and NL sticky posts are the end of the month.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: ChicagoRy]
      #11255072 - 07/18/07 02:34 AM

good stuff

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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: HokieGreg]
      #11278533 - 07/19/07 10:31 AM

before this falls into the abyss does anyone have any oop situations they would like to discuss? Maybe against certain player types?

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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11280739 - 07/19/07 01:10 PM

I'd like to discuss this:

POKERSTARS GAME #9753504619: TOURNAMENT #49493846, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - MATCH ROUND I, LEVEL I (10/20) - 2007/05/04 - 23:09:27 (ET)
Table '49493846 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: RyPac13 (760 in chips)
Seat 2: LOLBillFrist (2240 in chips)
LOLBillFrist: posts small blind 10
RyPac13: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RyPac13 [4s Kc]
LOLBillFrist: calls 10
RyPac13: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 3c Tc]
RyPac13: checks
LOLBillFrist: bets 40
RyPac13: raises 120 to 160
LOLBillFrist: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Kd 3c Tc] [2d]
RyPac13: bets 260
LOLBillFrist: raises 620 to 880
RyPac13: calls 320 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Kd 3c Tc 2d] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RyPac13: shows [4s Kc] (a pair of Kings)
LOLBillFrist: shows [7s Td] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
RyPac13 said, "lol"
LOLBillFrist said, "thats how i do"
LOLBillFrist collected 1520 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1520 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 3c Tc 2d 7h]
Seat 1: RyPac13 (big blind) showed [4s Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: LOLBillFrist (button) (small blind) showed [7s Td] and won (1520) with two pair, Tens and Sevens


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11280850 - 07/19/07 01:15 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Thanks for your contribution to the forum. I threw a link to this post in the sticky.




ty leader.



You deserve it. Cool post.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: Sheetah]
      #11303768 - 07/20/07 05:59 PM

Good job, dboy, very nice post!

I've seen several posts recommending a pretty wide range for 3-beting. Wasicka for example suggested 3-beting A8+ in his post on Full Tilt, which in my opinion is clearly wrong - 3-beting is so player dependant. I'm sure a lot of less experienced players will find themselves in trouble postflop, when they've bet too weak or marginal hands. IMO a good example is a hand like 88, which will be so hard to play without a set. I would just call with this hand and play a small pot without a set.

I have some problems with check-raising, when both players have checked preflop. You most likely checked a weak hand so you're pretty much getting yourself into trouble out of positition. The pot is small, no need to get too frisky. I prefer a 1/2-2/3 donkbet. If I would check-raise, it would probably be with a draw or monster.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: Mibbbbbbb....]
      #11304176 - 07/20/07 06:39 PM

Quote:

Good job, dboy, very nice post!

I've seen several posts recommending a pretty wide range for 3-beting. Wasicka for example suggested 3-beting A8+ in his post on Full Tilt, which in my opinion is clearly wrong - 3-beting is so player dependant. I'm sure a lot of less experienced players will find themselves in trouble postflop, when they've bet too weak or marginal hands. IMO a good example is a hand like 88, which will be so hard to play without a set. I would just call with this hand and play a small pot without a set.

I have some problems with check-raising, when both players have checked preflop. You most likely checked a weak hand so you're pretty much getting yourself into trouble out of positition. The pot is small, no need to get too frisky. I prefer a 1/2-2/3 donkbet. If I would check-raise, it would probably be with a draw or monster.




hey, I agree about calling small pairs OOP against most types of players. There are a few where it is profitable to 3bet them but they have to have specific qualities for that to be best (namely they raise alot of buttons and play fit or fold on the flop).


As for checkraising in limped pots, that is something I started doing more recently, and as always only against certain opponents as an exploit to a leak. Their leak is they bet close to 100% of limped pots, so why get them to fold when I can check, get 40 to 100 more chips, then raise them.

Most better opponents arent that aggressive in limped pots so donking is great. That is just a specific adjustment I was talking about and not a standard play.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: ChicagoRy]
      #11304252 - 07/20/07 06:46 PM

Quote:

I'd like to discuss this:

POKERSTARS GAME #9753504619: TOURNAMENT #49493846, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - MATCH ROUND I, LEVEL I (10/20) - 2007/05/04 - 23:09:27 (ET)
Table '49493846 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: RyPac13 (760 in chips)
Seat 2: LOLBillFrist (2240 in chips)
LOLBillFrist: posts small blind 10
RyPac13: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RyPac13 [4s Kc]
LOLBillFrist: calls 10
RyPac13: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 3c Tc]
RyPac13: checks
LOLBillFrist: bets 40
RyPac13: raises 120 to 160
LOLBillFrist: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Kd 3c Tc] [2d]
RyPac13: bets 260
LOLBillFrist: raises 620 to 880
RyPac13: calls 320 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Kd 3c Tc 2d] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RyPac13: shows [4s Kc] (a pair of Kings)
LOLBillFrist: shows [7s Td] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
RyPac13 said, "lol"
LOLBillFrist said, "thats how i do"
LOLBillFrist collected 1520 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1520 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 3c Tc 2d 7h]
Seat 1: RyPac13 (big blind) showed [4s Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: LOLBillFrist (button) (small blind) showed [7s Td] and won (1520) with two pair, Tens and Sevens




I like the c/r flop against this particular donk. He likely has some sort of hand because he isn't betting every time you check to him, but your hand figures to be better and if he has a piece he might just put you on a flush/straight draw and get it in on the turn.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11304717 - 07/20/07 07:25 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Great topic choice, great post.

There is another possible scenario. Let's take the following villain type:

-generally passive, always limps the button
-will usually call your large (4-5xbb) OOP raise
-will continue calling on the flop and beyond if they catch any piece or draw

Let's say you get AKs OOP and make the standard 4-5xbb raise after the button limps. The flop is dry, you bet anyway, and get called. Assuming you don't connect, how many more barrels do you fire? Or do you take a different line from the beginning?




usually firing a second barrel. And AK is an always raise for me.




Remember that we are dealing with a passive call station here. Let's say there's a 50% chance he's on a draw (probably folding to a large bet on the turn/river), and 50% he has a hand like 2nd pair or TPWK (which he's calling down with no matter what). If he calls your 2nd barrel, now you're facing a large pot OOP on a river where you might have to check/fold. What's the reason for bloating the pot in this situation? Are you betting your AK for value, or has it gradually turned into a bluff?


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #11306855 - 07/20/07 11:03 PM

This is very good thinking, I disagree with some minor parts but thats irrelevant b.c. your thought process / approach to thinking is excellent, and thats all that matters when learning poker. Some questions / comments:

1. When you are calling raises from an aggro button, how do you determine your purebluff checkraise frequency? When you do decide to bluff CR, what goes thru your mind with regards to leading the turn? If you check the turn after flop bluff, always check-fold to a bet? River plan if its checked through? Obviously a lot of this depends on specific boards, but many times generalizations can be more useful.

2. Same as above but this time with a flush draw.

3.When you say CC CR represents a lot of strength, what about using it as bluff, specifically when your flopped draw misses on the turn?

4. For 3bets, I think you're missing the point a little bit in that the main goal is not picking up the 3x raise, but rather stacking your opponent with a big pair / flopped top pair in the big pot that ensues.

If you only think about the 4bb PF pot, it does makes sense to 3bet only good hands b.c. the standalone EV of 3betting T8o is very questionable. However, for it to be -EV, you're opponent is gonna have to float lots of your auto cbets and then be able to get away when you do have the goods -- most people either float and then bluff off their stack backing up the float, or they just don't ever float and fold the flop.

SO in other words, its crucial to have a wide range, even if the worst components of your range are slightly -EV. The times when these "euro-style" floaters stack off to your AA while trying to intercept T8o will greatly make up for the times when they steal your PF 3bet + cbet. And if against the never-floaters, 3bet autoleading even 72o is +EV.

5. In the button limps, Hero raises PF spot -- you cbet 100%, he calls, you missed the flop, what conditions would make you do anything other than CF?


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: APXG]
      #11307107 - 07/20/07 11:31 PM

I know the question was to Dboy, but generally I am very conservative with firing 2 in #5 and #3. Calling c/r are not given enough respect IMO from most opponents, so it's not especially great to use as a bluff unless you are playing somebody fairly good that can lay down hands. Shorter stack sizes and tilt from a great % of HUSNG players makes it even harder to use as a bluff, the more chips they commit the harder it is to get a fold out of them (obviously).

The same goes for doubling on a floated 3-bet c-bet, but to a lesser extent. If I know my opponent's tendencies well enough I will c/r my big hands on the turn in this spot b/c I know they bet almost anything, if they're kind of a more hesitant opponent and my image isn't trash I will fire 2 on misses if I know I can get them off everything except top pair, especially when draws did not hit the turn or when I have a draw of my own that can connect to beat the small part of their range that might call my 2nd fire.

Good points about 3-betting APXG.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: Mibbbbbbb....]
      #11307127 - 07/20/07 11:33 PM

Quote:

Good job, dboy, very nice post!

I've seen several posts recommending a pretty wide range for 3-beting. Wasicka for example suggested 3-beting A8+ in his post on Full Tilt, which in my opinion is clearly wrong - 3-beting is so player dependant. I'm sure a lot of less experienced players will find themselves in trouble postflop, when they've bet too weak or marginal hands. IMO a good example is a hand like 88, which will be so hard to play without a set. I would just call with this hand and play a small pot without a set.

I have some problems with check-raising, when both players have checked preflop. You most likely checked a weak hand so you're pretty much getting yourself into trouble out of positition. The pot is small, no need to get too frisky. I prefer a 1/2-2/3 donkbet. If I would check-raise, it would probably be with a draw or monster.




I agree with you in that a hand like A+mid-x is one of the worst to 3bet. It is dominated within the Ace range essentially always, and only marginally less as the x gets bigger. So if an A flops and you hold A8, you just can't profitably go broke.

The more important aspect, however, is that A-high flops are very straight forward in 3bet HU SNG scenarios. Overcards are not possible on A-high boards, so most likely the opponent is either close to dead, or drawing to 2 outs. This is combined with the fact that the 3bettor's range is made of aces. In short, people don't float A-high flops in 3bet pots in HU SNGs.

Therefore, if you do get played back at on an A-high flop, you have to shut down anyway, so there's no difference whether you have 72o or Ax. In fact, Ax may make you more tempted to make a mistake.

So -- Wasicka is right in that you need to have a wide range, but wrong in advising selecting mid-Aces as regular-basis components of that range.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: APXG]
      #11307299 - 07/20/07 11:52 PM

Quote:

This is very good thinking, I disagree with some minor parts but thats irrelevant b.c. your thought process / approach to thinking is excellent, and thats all that matters when learning poker. Some questions / comments:




Great questions, I can't promise flawless perfection with my answers but I will give it a go.

Quote:

1. When you are calling raises from an aggro button, how do you determine your purebluff checkraise frequency? When you do decide to bluff CR, what goes thru your mind with regards to leading the turn? If you check the turn after flop bluff, always check-fold to a bet? River plan if its checked through? Obviously a lot of this depends on specific boards, but many times generalizations can be more useful.




I don't use the second hand on a watch like I have read so much about. What I prefer is just feeling out the flow of the match and finding spots where it looks like I have a higher % chance of success. It is hard to put into words what I'm looking for, but it involves my image from the past few hands, and what I think his range is. And I think subconsciencely I use timing tells in some way.

As for leading the turn, that mostly depends on the turn card. If it looks to fit in well with something I would legitamitely CR the flop with i'm inclined to lead the turn. And it really depends on how stubborn I believe my opponent is with his weaker hands. If I check I am generally folding, but if I know my opponent is always looking to take me off a hand when I check I bet throw a c/r in on the turn after a c/r bluff flop.

But let me say that I haven't done it often, but when I have I have had a decent success rate. Thats just another one of those lines that only works against certain types. Also keep in mind since I play lower to mid stakes I am more used to playing simple passive players, and the game is totally different.

And it is hard to make river generalizations. But with the action of c/r, and he calls, c/c turn and you have a bluff, there is not much hope for the river usually. You are simply going to have a hard time winning it from this point. That is why I prefer a turn lead most of the time.


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2. Same as above but this time with a flush draw.




flush draws are fun. In general I hate the check/call flop line but at some stack sizes that might be your best bet. I usually look for something better though.

There are some players who will bet a lot but not 3bet you, kind of semi slowplaying. Those are the types I like to c/r the flop against with flush draws. There are a decent amount of players that play like that in my opinion. Against most others I lead the flop.

When I am OOP with a flush draw I generally try to pretend I have some made hand and bet it like that. I try to represent top pair instead of the flush draw, and I think it helps me get paid off a little more when I hit, and a lot of times they believe I have what I am representing.

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3.When you say CC CR represents a lot of strength, what about using it as bluff, specifically when your flopped draw misses on the turn?




If your value lines aren't getting you paid off, make those your bluff lines.

And in general you want to keep your range tough for him to guess so I say sure give it a shot.



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4. For 3bets, I think you're missing the point a little bit in that the main goal is not picking up the 3x raise, but rather stacking your opponent with a big pair / flopped top pair in the big pot that ensues.




Well picking up 3BB isn't a bad result. And yes the usual reason to 3bet is because you have a good hand, and naturally you want more money to go in. And you want to get him committed with weaker or dominated holdings.


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If you only think about the 4bb PF pot, it does makes sense to 3bet only good hands b.c. the standalone EV of 3betting T8o is very questionable. However, for it to be -EV, you're opponent is gonna have to float lots of your auto cbets and then be able to get away when you do have the goods -- most people either float and then bluff off their stack backing up the float, or they just don't ever float and fold the flop.

SO in other words, its crucial to have a wide range, even if the worst components of your range are slightly -EV. The times when these "euro-style" floaters stack off to your AA while trying to intercept T8o will greatly make up for the times when they steal your PF 3bet + cbet. And if against the never-floaters, 3bet autoleading even 72o is +EV.




I agree its always best to be hard to read and put him in more tough spots than he puts you in. And definitely exploit weaknesses you notice.

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5. In the button limps, Hero raises PF spot -- you cbet 100%, he calls, you missed the flop, what conditions would make you do anything other than CF?




Well depends on his propensity to float. Since he is on the button it is probably fairly high in most opponents. Against aggros one of my favorite lines in the world is bet (he calls), then I c/r the turn. Usually thats when I have a hand. But if I establish that as a value line it can work for me as a bluff if the guy is paying attention to what i'm doing. But disclaimer; that is a tough line for bluffing since it is usually such a good value line IMO.


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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: HokieGreg]
      #11310891 - 07/21/07 10:32 AM

nice post, i might go crush some HU sngs now since i have to clear 40K VPP b4 the end of the year and hardly play on stars cuz i hate their ring games

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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: dboy23]
      #12239531 - 09/25/07 10:24 PM

very nice post.

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Re: PoohBah Post: Playing OOP in HUSNGs [Re: wrkingtobegreat]
      #12240738 - 09/26/07 12:08 AM

I glanced at title, saw 'poohbah' and instaclicked. Was hoping someone else had written a poohbah post in HU.

so, I tricked myself.


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