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electrical
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Ask a music scene micro celebrity
      #11034555 - 07/03/07 01:40 AM

From this thread:

I have traveled in the music scene as a musician and recording engineer for better than 25 years. I have worked on a couple thousand records, some of them with famous rockstars, though most of them you're probably never heard of. I know a lot about making records, recording technology, touring, being in a rock band and the like. I own Electrical Audio, a 2-studio recording complex in Chicago, Illinois, where I make records every day.

I will answer any questions related to being in a touring/recording rock band, working in the studio with musicians both great and famous, making records, brushes with actual rock star celebrities, etc.

In NLHE, I am a prolific donator. I can hold my own in 7stud.

Any questions?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11034614 - 07/03/07 01:46 AM

You are Steve Albini? That is awesome. Of all the people you've worked with what bands do you feel have the best musicianship.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11034827 - 07/03/07 02:09 AM

Do you honestly feel like Cobain was a genuis? Or just a hard worker guy who hit the lotto?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PattdownManiac]
      #11034861 - 07/03/07 02:13 AM

Pattdown, the Jesus Lizard was easily the best group of musicians I've ever worked with in terms of aggregate talent and ability, but I've worked with a bunch of incredible musicians on individual instruments. I have been most impressed by great drummers and great singers, because drumming and singing are the two most difficult things to do well.

Drummers:
Jim White (Dirty Three, Nina Nastasia)
Rey Washam (Scratch Acid, Big Boys, Rapeman, Ministry)
Britt Walford (Slint, Breeders)
Martin Atkins (Public Image Ltd, Ministry, Pigface)
Glenn Kotche (Wilco, Edith Frost)
Bun E. Carlos (Cheap Trick)
Dave Grohl (Nirvana)

Singers:
Nina Nastasia
Robin Zander (Cheap Trick)
Kim Deal (Pixies, Breeders)

Most recently, I had my mind blown by Joanna Newsom's playing on the harp. She is a wonder on that thing.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11034881 - 07/03/07 02:15 AM

Which album of her's did you record? She is so great!

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11035030 - 07/03/07 02:32 AM

Micro? Albini? from Big Black? every indie rock band's dream producer?

Any other avid card players among your contemporaries? Regular card games in Frank Black's or PJ Harvey's basement or somesuch that I'm missing out on?

Also, thanks for the sheer awesomeness of:
Surfer Rosa
In Utero
Goat
Transaction de Novo
Arise Therefore
I'm sure there's like 50 more in my meager collection that I'm not thinking of.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Limesparks]
      #11035059 - 07/03/07 02:35 AM

My ladyfriend tells me that your original mix of In Utero was not green lighted by their label, and they went with a different mix/track list. She claims that your version is floating somewhere (she says a coworker has it on his iPod) and she's wondering how she could get a hold of it?

EDIT: She also would like to know the rate you charge to record at your studio? Whether you or someone else is the engineer.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11035100 - 07/03/07 02:41 AM

this thread is very close to delivering. please answer the others questions and continue providing additional intriguing information.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: whale_hunter]
      #11035105 - 07/03/07 02:41 AM

Genius is a weird and inappropriate word, and hard work is underrated, but Kurt Cobain had a distinct and personal take on the world, and generally, when someone strikes a chord with his audience, that's what people respond to.

There were a lot of bands the "sounded like Nirvana" at the time Nirvana made it big, but none of them have had the same long-lasting influence. I have to admit that I wasn't particularly a fan of Nirvana when I was asked to work on In Utero, but during the course of making the record I came to appreciate that they were genuine about their band and their music, that Kurt was capable of sophisticated thinking, and that they and their music were unique.

If you think of the other bajillion-sellers of the Nineties, not very many of them have survived as significant influences today. I think there's a reason beyond luck for that to be the case.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11035117 - 07/03/07 02:43 AM

Who were the worst musicians? Any guys that could barely play their instruments?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11035154 - 07/03/07 02:48 AM

Quote:

Genius is a weird and inappropriate word, and hard work is underrated, but Kurt Cobain had a distinct and personal take on the world, and generally, when someone strikes a chord with his audience, that's what people respond to.

There were a lot of bands the "sounded like Nirvana" at the time Nirvana made it big, but none of them have had the same long-lasting influence. I have to admit that I wasn't particularly a fan of Nirvana when I was asked to work on In Utero, but during the course of making the record I came to appreciate that they were genuine about their band and their music, that Kurt was capable of sophisticated thinking, and that they and their music were unique.

If you think of the other bajillion-sellers of the Nineties, not very many of them have survived as significant influences today. I think there's a reason beyond luck for that to be the case.




Thanks for the response. I hope it didn't come off like I was knocking him for "just being hard working". I have read a few Biography's on Nirvana (with you included) and I find him to be fascinating.
Just wondered what you thought having actually met the man.

Thanks again.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: whale_hunter]
      #11035183 - 07/03/07 02:53 AM

in utero, one of my favorite albums, and there are VERY few that compare, in my opinion.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Limesparks]
      #11035296 - 07/03/07 03:07 AM

Quote:

Any other avid card players among your contemporaries?



There's a regular game here in Chicago that has several musicians and engineers in it. Guys who have worked with Sonic Youth, Pavement, Tortoise, Wilco, Smashing Pumpkins, and members of various rock bands. I once had to pay-off a straight flush held by the bass player of High on Fire (a Five-card draw hand no less), and I played a bit with Ed Cherny (a first-call engineer for hit records) but that's about it. The card player and music worlds don't overlap that much.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11035350 - 07/03/07 03:13 AM

A friend of mine has been slowly releasing some tracks he made with McNeilly from their Atlanta days together around the mid 80s, if you are interested in hearing something you might not have come across before let me know.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11035545 - 07/03/07 03:40 AM

Quote:

My ladyfriend tells me that your original mix of In Utero was not green lighted by their label, and they went with a different mix/track list. She claims that your version is floating somewhere (she says a coworker has it on his iPod) and she's wondering how she could get a hold of it?



There were only a couple of different mixes used on the final album. Ultimately, the band made the decision about what versions they would use, though they had to suffer a combination of their own insecurity and a bunch of people at their label freaking out, which probably influenced their decision. The version of the album in the stores is the version the band wanted people to hear, and I respect that. Any "alternate version" floating around out there is either totally bogus or a generations-removed copy of a cassette dub, and not worth your attention.

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EDIT: She also would like to know the rate you charge to record at your studio? Whether you or someone else is the engineer.



Pricing is kinda complicated, depending on which studio is being used, which engineer, whether there is an assistant required, lodgings, etc. There is a session cost calculator on the rates page of the studio website. For location recording at an outside studio, I charge my normal daily rate, $650 a day. I don't charge a royalty on any record I work on, something that has caused some controversy within engineering circles.

I try to make myself as inexpensive as possible for the underground and independent bands that are my closest peers and regular clientele. For big label stuff that will require an open-ended schedule and a lot of bureaucratic nonsense to get paid, I get paid a lot more.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11035578 - 07/03/07 03:45 AM

satanic verses by milemarker was awesome.

i thought you'd done stuff with "your enemies friends" and "this moment in black history" but wikipedia doesn't have either of them listed.

question: if there was a mixer you could watch work who would it be?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PattdownManiac]
      #11035623 - 07/03/07 03:51 AM

Quote:

Who were the worst musicians? Any guys that could barely play their instruments?



Well, very few people who can't play at all find themselves in the studio making a record. More common is a band whose expectations outstrip their abilities, even if only by a little bit. If the band's aesthetic allows their record to reflect their limitations, then it isn't much of a problem. Many great records have gaffes and clinker notes on them -- listen closely to Led Zeppelin or Crazy Horse records and you'll hear a bunch of clams. If a band wants an album with no imperfections on it, but is unable to play impeccably, then the meticulous process of piecing-together a record can be exhausting. I am grateful that the bands I work with usually don't have budgets at their disposal to make records like that, because it is torture.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: KickerNotch]
      #11035648 - 07/03/07 03:55 AM

Quote:

A friend of mine has been slowly releasing some tracks he made with McNeilly from their Atlanta days together around the mid 80s, if you are interested in hearing something you might not have come across before let me know.



Is this 86 material? Phantom 309?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11035668 - 07/03/07 03:58 AM

What is your biggest consideration when deciding which bands to work for? If you had one "do over" on either a single track or an album, which would it be and why?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: press.gang]
      #11035701 - 07/03/07 04:03 AM

Quote:

i thought you'd done stuff with "your enemies friends"



nope

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and "this moment in black history"



They did an album here last year. Cleveland represent.

Quote:

question: if there was a mixer you could watch work who would it be?



Honestly, not too interested in mixing as distinct from recording. I have always been impressed by Al Schmitt's engineering, and some Motown sessions sound impeccable. I would have loved to watch Stevie Wonder play a whole album by himself.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11035744 - 07/03/07 04:10 AM

wow, it's my first post

1. What is the best way to get into the recording industry?(If you were just starting out would you go to school, or just try to find an internship)

2. Do you find schools like full sail a waste of money?

3. How is your hearing?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: evasive04]
      #11035765 - 07/03/07 04:13 AM

Quote:



2. Do you find schools like full sail a waste of money?






i went to ex'pression: center for new media

while the school was awsome and i leanred tons and got some experience, i dont work in the field. most of my classmates do however. if you have the money id go for it but its certainly not necessary.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Number27]
      #11035803 - 07/03/07 04:20 AM

Quote:

What is your biggest consideration when deciding which bands to work for?



Honestly, I'm not too selective. If a band wants to work with me, and I think I can do a good job, I'll put them on the schedule. The only time I'm ever suspicious is when a manager or label person contacts me rather than the band. In those instances, the band may not have even expressed an interest in me, and the whole thing may be being cooked-up by somebody else. In those cases, I always suggest that the band contact me directly so I can have a conversation with them and gauge their interest. If the band are consistently kept at arms length, then that's a tell that the whole thing is not going to happen.

Quote:

If you had one "do over" on either a single track or an album, which would it be and why?



Man, good question. There are only a few records I've worked on where I felt like I dropped the ball, and those records really bum me out, because I know that the band is only getting one shot at making their record, and they have to carry it around forever. Tomorrow, I will be making another record, but the one I did today, that band is stuck with it forever.

About 10 years ago, I did an album with an amazing German band called Wuhling, and despite working my ass off, I felt like it never sounded as good as the band were. Their previous album had been recorded by a friend of mine, and it was terrific. The record isn't bad, but the band were amazing, and they deserved an amazing record. I still wonder what I could have done differently.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11035895 - 07/03/07 04:36 AM

10 songs which you've worked on for the Steve Albini best of? If 10 is too hard pick 5 or 3 or whatever.

Thanks, Cameron.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: evasive04]
      #11035945 - 07/03/07 04:46 AM

Quote:

1. What is the best way to get into the recording industry?(If you were just starting out would you go to school, or just try to find an internship)



It's super cheap to buy recording equipment and start experimenting. It's super expensive to go to a recording trade school. I always recommend getting started as an amateur to see if you enjoy the process before you get into any more serious enterprise. Every town has bands that need demos recorded, so there are plenty of opportunities to experiment with no pressure and no expectations.

"Getting into the industry" is just about impossible. There are no jobs. I mean none, like zero none. Since the advent of cheap recording software, many traditional studio clients (ad agencies, film and tv productions, jingle writers and commercial music publishers) have been able to do most of their own recording in-house. Having lost much of their client base, the big institutional studios have cut their staff to the bare minimum to keep costs low, and most engineers have gone freelance. Studios that used to have dozens of in-house engineers now have only a couple.

Newer, smaller studios that cater to rock bands are usually owner-operated, sometimes by a partnership of a very few people, all of whom have some vested interest in the studio. If you are going to be a recording engineer for a living, you are either going to be freelance, or you are going to build a studio and work there.

There are audio-related jobs, in PA design and installation, touring and live sound, church, auditorium and architectural acoustics, acoustical testing and certification, broadcast engineering, etc, but there basically are no open-call staff positions for recording engineers any more.

If you are considering going into a recording program, I would strongly recommend going to a normal accredited university with a concentration in engineering, acoustics or music. Some schools offer a Tonmeister-equivalent recording program (UMass Lowell and University of Iowa used to, I don't know who does now). The for-profit trade schools (Full Sail, Recording Arts, SAE, etc) are operated as businesses where their clients are the students and the product they sell is a diploma. A degree from an accredited university carries more weight in the real world and can even get you involved in interesting graduate-level work.
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3. How is your hearing?



Good enough, apparently.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: cameronw01]
      #11036049 - 07/03/07 05:03 AM

Quote:

10 songs which you've worked on for the Steve Albini best of? If 10 is too hard pick 5 or 3 or whatever.



Man. Another good question. Hard for me to name individual songs, so I'll mention a few whole albums I think came out well:

the Jesus Lizard, Goat
PJ Harvey Rid of Me
the Breeders Pod and Title TK
Nina Nastasia the Blackened Air
Silkworm Lifestyle or Italian Platinum
Palace/Will Oldham Viva Last Blues or Arise Therefore

The above is material that might be comprehensible to a general audience. I've made a bunch of records I like that are closer to pure noise (Whitehouse) abstract freak rock (Zeni Geva, Stinking Lizaveta, Neurosis), heavy metal (High on Fire, Zao), country music (Robbie Fulks, the Sadies), instrumental music (Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, Man or Astro-Man, Don Caballero) and all sorts of other crap. All of it has its merits as music, and I'm lucky that I get to work on so much different stuff.

[edit]: I'll answer more tomorrow after my dentist appointment if there's still interest.

Edited by electrical (07/03/07 05:08 AM)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PattdownManiac]
      #11036092 - 07/03/07 05:10 AM

Quote:

Who were the worst musicians? Any guys that could barely play their instruments?



Forgot to answer your actual question. Urge Overkill.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11036283 - 07/03/07 05:51 AM

If asking two is rude then feel free to ignore this, but I figured I might as well try and push my luck.

Do you ever listen to albums or songs and just think "ugh, If I'd recorded this it could have sounded so much better, I'd have....."?

Any examples if so?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: cameronw01]
      #11037340 - 07/03/07 09:34 AM

This is the greatest thread in 2+2 history, not close.

Hi Mr. Albini sir,

Do you think downloading is killing the music industry or is it something else? Is rock with guitars becoming like Jazz in the 70s? Do you think bands that are severely derivative, like most garage rock bands, are inferior to bands like Jesus Lizard who sound totally unique? Can you name drop some very new or recent young bands that are carrying the torch for rock and roll? Do you find your taste for heavy noisy stuff is diminishing as you get older (mine is!) and your appreciation for quiet folksy stuff is growing?

Sorry for the barrage but im about to get on a plane to vegas. Feel free to ignore...

Thanks!

--GA


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Georgia Avenue]
      #11037620 - 07/03/07 10:09 AM

there have been many a time i hear an album the band sounds so good, and then you see them live, and you're like, wtf is going on?

which band have you made the biggest improvement on their sound, in this manner?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PattdownManiac]
      #11038132 - 07/03/07 11:03 AM

I will state up front that you are a 'micro celebrity' to only those people that have only 'micro exposure' to music. I thank you for the work you have done in the industry.

My question revolves around Martin Atkins (Public Image Ltd, Ministry, Pigface). If you don't wish to answer in the open for whatever reason then that is understood. Is he really the pretentious prick that other bands and label managers make him out to be? I have only dealt with him on one issue ever and getting a straight answer out of him was a pain, but I have heard the rumors floating about. But, they were always from people that had a 'bone to pick' with him.

As for Martins talent, there are few that can match his stage intensity and overall raw ability. One of the best out there for sure. But the off-stage persona... willing to give your thoughts?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: oddjob]
      #11038181 - 07/03/07 11:08 AM

Are there any bands in the Chicago area that you were just like 'wow, I need to try to get these guys...'? Also, do you work w/ any jam style bands and how do you do studio work w/ those bands?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11038991 - 07/03/07 12:18 PM

A few months back you did an interview w/ a friend of mine for a Scratch Acid Doc he's working on and pretty much anyone who's ever heard them will agree that Scratch Acid is/was a 'criminally underrated' band, Are there any other bands that you've worked with that you feel deserve to be heard that we may have overlooked?

P.S. I've pointed anyone who would listen to your
'The problem with Music' article, especially my friends who are musicians, thanks for the info.

and

what do you think of the iPhone?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11039112 - 07/03/07 12:26 PM

awesome thread

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: G Street]
      #11039180 - 07/03/07 12:31 PM

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P.S. I've pointed anyone who would listen to your
'The problem with Music' article, especially my friends who are musicians, thanks for the info.





Funny.. I always point my musician friends to Big Black's final tour diary, "Turkey Trot to the Sound of Tuna" or something like that. Awesome writing.

Found it: http://www.petdance.com/actionpark/bigblack/tourdiary/


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ICallHimGamblor]
      #11039237 - 07/03/07 12:35 PM

do you hate hippies and hippy music as much as everyone else?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11039555 - 07/03/07 01:02 PM

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A friend of mine has been slowly releasing some tracks he made with McNeilly from their Atlanta days together around the mid 80s, if you are interested in hearing something you might not have come across before let me know.



Is this 86 material? Phantom 309?




I'll have to find the press packet he sent me, it's floating around somewhere. My recollection of what he is doing is somewhat fuzzy, but to my knowledge the collection he is publishing is from a combination of warehouse shows so I think the tracks are rather obscure and mostly unknown. The disc he sent me is from the "Destroy All Music Festival 2" at the Pillow Tex Wharehouse.

BTW, 24 Hour Revenge Therapy has not left my turn table since 95 and Seamonsters has never left my thoughts. It's amazing how much of my collection you were involved in.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: KickerNotch]
      #11039712 - 07/03/07 01:13 PM

Vinyl or Digital?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: KickerNotch]
      #11039740 - 07/03/07 01:15 PM

lol.... does everybody here actually believe this is really steve albini, or am i just getting massively leveled?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: magister ludi]
      #11039787 - 07/03/07 01:18 PM

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lol.... does everybody here actually believe this is really steve albini, or am i just getting massively leveled?





why cant it be him?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: magister ludi]
      #11039866 - 07/03/07 01:24 PM

What do you think of this bio of you? Any specific parts you disagree with?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFMU-IFUMOI

Thanks a ton for doing this.


Oh and he needs a custom title for sure. Any ideas?

Edited by Max Raker (07/03/07 01:48 PM)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PITTM]
      #11039980 - 07/03/07 01:33 PM

Steve, you are by no means a micro celebrity. I'm stunned that this thread exists.

I've been trying to remember Stinking Lizaveta's name for months now. Thanks for that.

I saw Slint perform at ATP's Don't Look Back in England a couple years ago. I was completely blown away by a lot of the bands out there that year. I'm still handing out copies of Phillip Roebuck's album to people.

Interested in your opinion of Atkins, too. I've also heard he's a dick in real life. Can't fault his playing, though...

I've had a Big Black song stuck in my head since I saw this thread.

Feel free to ignore these questions if you feel they're too broad/boring. What do you think of the state of rock music today? Are there any bands around that you would like to work with? Are you married?

Any chance you'll be in Vegas for the WSOP this year? I'm sure a few of us would love to buy you a drink or ten.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: magister ludi]
      #11040169 - 07/03/07 01:44 PM

I got a friend who is (or at least used to be) a mod over on ProSoundWeb.com, who owns a recording studio down here in Savannah, Ga. He keeps contact with Steve on a regular basis and I have been assured that this is in fact Steve Albini. I know I'm not well known around here, either, but you could always go to ProSoundWeb and ask Steve yourself, if you're not convinced.

The thing I was told to ask to be sure is to get Steve's take on the term, "producer." If you've read any of his writing before, I'm sure you all know what's coming.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: cameronw01]
      #11040351 - 07/03/07 01:58 PM

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If asking two is rude then feel free to ignore this, but I figured I might as well try and push my luck.



I am stunned anybody here cares, so fire away.

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Do you ever listen to albums or songs and just think "ugh, If I'd recorded this it could have sounded so much better, I'd have....."?



Only in the case of bands I'm already really familiar with and I can tell that the producer made them do some stupid nonsense or they had a bad day or whatever. I don't really think the recording is that important to a great record. Great records would be great under almost any circumstances. Mediocre records that might otherwise have been unlistenable, well, yeah, I guess it matters then. An excellent recording can make a crappy record into one that is merely unremarkable. What kind of accomplishment is that?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: JacksonMassey]
      #11040491 - 07/03/07 02:07 PM

Steve,

In vein of another question above, what classic mainstream albums of the past would you like to remix? I've always thought that a lot of Hendrix's studio stuff could have been done better.

magister ludi,

This is definitely Steve Albini. I sent him an "LOL Donkaments" shirt to an address in Chicago with the ebay username electricalaudio (his studio's name). I also read in some Tapeop article (whether it be about him or someone else talking about him) that he plays poker, so I wasn't terribly shocked to find him on 2+2.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11040567 - 07/03/07 02:13 PM

Being a huge Wilco fan (obviously, I'm curious if you ever worked in any capacity with them. I've heard interviews with Glenn Kotche before where he has played some of his interesting instrumentation - a song about monkeys comes to mind. Is he one of the more innovative contemporary drummers?

And, allow me to say, micro-celebrity my ass!


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Georgia Avenue]
      #11040739 - 07/03/07 02:24 PM

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Do you think downloading is killing the music industry or is it something else?



Downloading and the culture of free music have affected the income of record labels, but the street-level music scene (as defined by bands, entrepreneurial independent record labels, studios like mine, etc.) is doing great. Bands have an easier time than ever getting their music out into the world, and bands don't even need a label to have an international following. It's actually a great time to be in a band.

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Is rock with guitars becoming like Jazz in the 70s?



Absolutely no idea what you mean. I'll take a shot though. In the 1970s Jazz began becoming institutionalized as the music of public functions and high society. After this transformation, jazz became a funded art form, the way opera and popular classical music had been previously. Hello university jazz programs, publicly-funded jazz festivals, ad-hoc wedding entertainment, etc. That isn't happening to rock music.

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Do you think bands that are severely derivative, like most garage rock bands, are inferior to bands like Jesus Lizard who sound totally unique?



Yes. In other news, I think Ice is cold, fire is hot and the sun will probably come up tomorrow.
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Can you name drop some very new or recent young bands that are carrying the torch for rock and roll?


Dude, I hear them all the time. Just did a record for a band from Denton, Texas called Record Hop, and they were terrific. Rock bands are everywhere, and there are always a few good ones.
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Do you find your taste for heavy noisy stuff is diminishing as you get older (mine is!) and your appreciation for quiet folksy stuff is growing?



I have noticed that a bunch of people who were previously making really intense, hard rocking music have gravitated toward making moody acoustic music, and these audiences have overlapped. I still enjoy freakish noisy music, if executed with authority, and I still enjoy acoustic music likewise.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: oddjob]
      #11040888 - 07/03/07 02:33 PM

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there have been many a time i hear an album the band sounds so good, and then you see them live, and you're like, wtf is going on?

which band have you made the biggest improvement on their sound, in this manner?



Well, sometimes a band sets out to make a record that doesn't really sound like they do. To these bands the record is the public face of the band, and the live shows are more of an obligation than an art form, and so they are generally pretty disappointing live.

Other bands enjoy touring and express themselves onstage more than in the studio. These bands see their records as a kind of still photo of their live existence, and you can expect those bands' records to sound pretty much like their live sets. My favorite bands were always like this: the Minutemen, Wipers, Birthday Party, and my own band thinks this way, pretty much.

There are also the rare cases of bands who change from the first type to the second, and they have an obvious cutoff date after which they went from awesome to awful. Aerosmith and ZZ Top are the most obvious examples.

To answer your immediate question, Urge Overkill.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11040919 - 07/03/07 02:34 PM

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PJ Harvey Rid of Me




I love this album. Remember listening to WFMU in highschool and "Missed" came on and I was like "holy [censored] what the hell is this" and immediately went out and bought it.

Steve - I wasn't aware what an amazing body of work you have, just checked out your wiki. As mentioned above, thanks for your work on these albums I own alot of this stuff.

GA asked this question, one I was curious about also:

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Can you name drop some very new or recent young bands that are carrying the torch for rock and roll?




Thanks, awesome thread. Also BBV4L wins.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: TacoVendor]
      #11040990 - 07/03/07 02:38 PM

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My question revolves around Martin Atkins (Public Image Ltd, Ministry, Pigface). If you don't wish to answer in the open for whatever reason then that is understood. Is he really the pretentious prick that other bands and label managers make him out to be? I have only dealt with him on one issue ever and getting a straight answer out of him was a pain, but I have heard the rumors floating about. But, they were always from people that had a 'bone to pick' with him.



Martin is one of the best rock drummers ever. It is a little disappointing that he isn't the full-time backbone of an awesome rock band, but instead dabbles in so many small projects. As regards his personality, I have only ever seen him be fair, generous and dedicated. It is possible somebody has a specific beef with him that I don't know anything about, but it's much more likely that some guy is talking out his ass.

I have a lot of time for guys like Martin Atkins.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: AceLuby]
      #11041117 - 07/03/07 02:48 PM

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Are there any bands in the Chicago area that you were just like 'wow, I need to try to get these guys...'?



Most bands in Chicago know how to get ahold of me, and if they're not interested in having me work on their records, I wouldn't want to put them on the spot by thrusting myself on them.
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Also, do you work w/ any jam style bands and how do you do studio work w/ those bands?



I have worked with Blues Traveler and a few other jam-type bands. Generally, they set up and play live, so they can improvise and free-ball it the way they do onstage. It's a familiar and comfortable way for me to work.

If you're asking if I 'shroom first, then no, I don't 'shroom first.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11041168 - 07/03/07 02:51 PM

My question: Are you sick to death of people asking you about Big Black?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11041325 - 07/03/07 03:00 PM

OP, I almost pm'd you a while ago to urge you to do this.
Honestly, this is a great idea.

You are very familiar to me via my infatuation with the Pixies, but have obviously heard a lot more of your work. I actually didn't know you had worked with PJ Harvey, but it felt very obvious once you mentioned Rid of Me. Of course!

On to the questions:

Do you think you helped make Gogol Bordello huge?

Do I remember you talking about "Bone Machine" from that Pixies DVD a coupl'a years back?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11041332 - 07/03/07 03:01 PM

Great thread!

My question - what's the worst you have seen in regards to the band's experience? Have you ever seen a band fall apart in the studio?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: G Street]
      #11041480 - 07/03/07 03:10 PM

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Are there any other bands that you've worked with that you feel deserve to be heard that we may have overlooked?



Great question. Off the top of my head:
Brickbat, Cordelia's Dad, Oxbow, the Cape May, Shannon Wright, Tar, Sloy, the Auteurs, Cheer Accident, Uzeda, Bokomolech, Ballydowse, Distortion Felix, Sonna, Desert Fathers... Jesus there's a bajillion of them.

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what do you think of the iPhone?



I have made it this far in life without having to carry a phone everywhere, so only extra poker functionality would get me to join the cellphone team, and word is still out.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: oddjob]
      #11041504 - 07/03/07 03:11 PM

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do you hate hippies and hippy music as much as everyone else?



Hippies themselves are pretty harmless. Hippy music, I think I hate that even more than I hate everyone else.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PITTM]
      #11041548 - 07/03/07 03:13 PM

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Vinyl or Digital?



Neither. I go straight for the vagina. You find them on women.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Max Raker]
      #11041589 - 07/03/07 03:16 PM

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What do you think of this bio of you?



Extraordinarily lame. I'm guessing school project.

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Oh and he needs a custom title for sure. Any ideas?



Something that makes me more terrifying please.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11041632 - 07/03/07 03:18 PM

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Are there any other bands that you've worked with that you feel deserve to be heard that we may have overlooked?



Tar,




Absolutely. Steve, please send your hired goons to whatever part of Chicago they live in and browbeat them into reforming.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Tigermoth]
      #11041688 - 07/03/07 03:22 PM

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What do you think of the state of rock music today?



How do you play a pair of Eights?
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Are there any bands around that you would like to work with?



Any swinging dick whose checks won't bounce.
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Are you married?



You gay or something?

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Any chance you'll be in Vegas for the WSOP this year?



I hope to make it out there some year, but it will not be this one. It would be great to meet some of the irrepressible bons-vivants that frequent this site, though I am wary of POB attempts.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11041825 - 07/03/07 03:30 PM

Not gay. Chicks listen to good music sometimes, too, you know.

Do you know if Arab on Radar have considered reforming? Did you ever do anything with them?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11041859 - 07/03/07 03:32 PM

For your own listening pleasure, digital music (CDs) or analogue (vinyl)?

Any thoughts on the new higher sample rate/bitrate SACD or DVDA releases?

I thought the Bob Dylan and Rolling Stones remasters sound great on regular systems. Maybe SACD would be better.

thanks


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11041874 - 07/03/07 03:33 PM

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In vein of another question above, what classic mainstream albums of the past would you like to remix? I've always thought that a lot of Hendrix's studio stuff could have been done better.



Well, mixing isn't the magic bullet it's purported to be. A recording is about 90 percent as good as it's ever going to be from the moment of the first rough playback.

Most records that have survived scrutiny for a long time have some qualities that we all associate with them, and presenting them in a new way ("better sound" or whatever) cheapens them a little, and in the case of ZZ Top's '90s remixes, turns them straight to [censored].

I worked on a new version of Cheap Trick's In Color album (not a remix, but a whole new recording), and although everyone involved liked it, it's never seen the light of day, and I can't fault that decision.

About the only "classic" record that has ever been improved-on with a new mix and master is the Who's Live at Leeds, and there is a additional album's worth of excellent extra material added.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Wilco23]
      #11041938 - 07/03/07 03:38 PM

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Being a huge Wilco fan (obviously, I'm curious if you ever worked in any capacity with them.



I've known Jeff for a long time, and my girlfriend and I hang with Jeff and his family somewhat regularly, but I've never recorded Wilco. They have their own recording setup and they work in a real informal way. I tend to strap-in for a fixed duration session.

And yes, Glenn is awesome.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: No Fizzle]
      #11041974 - 07/03/07 03:40 PM

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My question: Are you sick to death of people asking you about Big Black?



No, it's a natural thing to ask a guy who was in Big Black. I understand. No big deal.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: eurythmech]
      #11042035 - 07/03/07 03:44 PM

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Do you think you helped make Gogol Bordello huge?



No, their live show makes them a sensation everywhere they play, and Eugene is a totally driven guy with a superstar personality and a knack for publicity. They were going to be huge no matter what.

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Do I remember you talking about "Bone Machine" from that Pixies DVD a coupl'a years back?



Dude, I don't know what you remember. Get real.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042184 - 07/03/07 03:56 PM

lol, you post good too.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042252 - 07/03/07 04:00 PM

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Quote:

Being a huge Wilco fan (obviously, I'm curious if you ever worked in any capacity with them.



I've known Jeff for a long time, and my girlfriend and I hang with Jeff and his family somewhat regularly, but I've never recorded Wilco. They have their own recording setup and they work in a real informal way. I tend to strap-in for a fixed duration session.

And yes, Glenn is awesome.




any opinion on why these guys are so boring live? their recorded stuff is great.

who was the biggest pain in the ass to work with?

were there any bands you recorded that were so damn good, you wish you were in their band?

how often do you wish you were 2+2'ing instead of recording?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: nyc999]
      #11042262 - 07/03/07 04:00 PM

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what's the worst you have seen in regards to the band's experience? Have you ever seen a band fall apart in the studio?



The worst scene is when a band has a bunch of unspoken or passive/aggressive tension bubbling along in the background, but they've kept their [censored] together long enough to get into the studio. Once the session is winding down, in the last couple of days, the gloves start to come off and little complaints can turn into real freak scenes. I once saw a drummer quit a band while I was making him a cassette copy of the final master, over an argument about whether or not the last song should fade out a few seconds faster.

Obviously, that isn't why he quit. He quit because he couldn't stand being in the band, but this argument happened at a point where he could use it as cover. That's the sort of thing that I've seen happen.

[censored] like overdoses and tantrums, that only happens with childish rockstars of the type I seldom encounter.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Tigermoth]
      #11042341 - 07/03/07 04:05 PM

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Not gay. Chicks listen to good music sometimes, too, you know.



Not straight ones in my experience, no they don't. You are either a lesbian, a dude, or you don't really like good music. This is a fact proven with science and charts.

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Do you know if Arab on Radar have considered reforming? Did you ever do anything with them?



Ah, you're from Providence. Okay. That explains everything. Forget what I said about the lesbian thing. You were probably just experimenting in college. But short hair looks good on skinny girls.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: please.muck]
      #11042552 - 07/03/07 04:16 PM

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For your own listening pleasure, digital music (CDs) or analogue (vinyl)?



If I'm going to put on a record for pleasure, it will be a vinyl record, unless I'm at work. Understand though that I listen to original masters all day every day, and so I'm less likely than most people to want to throw on an album when I knock-off at midnight or whatever.

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Any thoughts on the new higher sample rate/bitrate SACD or DVDA releases?



Doesn't matter, since both formats are now dead, but I think a greater bit depth (24 bits is plenty) grants a bigger quality improvement than increasing the sample rate. The downloadable version of the new album from my band (Shellac of North America) is available in compressed formats, but also 16-bit or 24-bit 44.1kHz versions. We did it as an experiment to see if anybody appreciates having it available.

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I thought the Bob Dylan and Rolling Stones remasters sound great on regular systems. Maybe SACD would be better.



No, I'm pretty sure they're still going to have Dylan and the Stones on them.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: oddjob]
      #11042709 - 07/03/07 04:27 PM

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who was the biggest pain in the ass to work with?



That would be Urge Overkill.

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were there any bands you recorded that were so damn good, you wish you were in their band?



Yeah, I wanted to be in the Jesus Lizard and Fugazi after about ten seconds. In either case it would have made the band more lame though.

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how often do you wish you were 2+2'ing instead of recording?



Maybe a better question is how often does the band have to wait for me to finish reading a BBV post before they can do another take? Happens every day.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042748 - 07/03/07 04:30 PM

Should have proof-read this post above. It should read:
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There are also the rare cases of bands who change from the second type to the first, and they have an obvious cutoff date after which they went from awesome to awful. Aerosmith and ZZ Top are the most obvious examples.




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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042755 - 07/03/07 04:30 PM

Quote:

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My question: Are you sick to death of people asking you about Big Black?



No, it's a natural thing to ask a guy who was in Big Black. I understand. No big deal.




Awesome. So, obviously my next question is...
HU for rollz?

And WTF happened with Urge Overkill? Sounds like a HELL of a story...

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042767 - 07/03/07 04:31 PM

Do you ever have people recognize you and run up to you in public and start gushing about how they loved your work with _______?

If I recognized you at the grocery store, and I had a broken arm and wanted you to sign my cast, would you?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042792 - 07/03/07 04:33 PM

So, basically I wore you all out. Okay.

I'll check in from time to time.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: No Fizzle]
      #11042873 - 07/03/07 04:38 PM

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Awesome. So, obviously my next question is...
HU for rollz?



I'll flip you for $40 on FT table Guru right now. Type urge overkill in chat and I'll sit in.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042889 - 07/03/07 04:40 PM

Thank you for Mclusky Do Dallas!
I could rave on and on about this album and many of your recordings.

What do you think of the chopping and screwing mixes of hip hop music?
Does this type of remix have any future in rock?

Also, should I ever fold KK preflop? (just joking, but I'm so glad to see you're a poker player.)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042918 - 07/03/07 04:42 PM

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Maybe a better question is how often does the band have to wait for me to finish reading a BBV post before they can do another take? Happens every day.






Edit: Also, thanks for the only good "Ask Me" thread in BBV. You know, OOT is recruiting...

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11042925 - 07/03/07 04:43 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Awesome. So, obviously my next question is...
HU for rollz?



I'll flip you for $40 on FT table Guru right now. Type urge overkill in chat and I'll sit in.




Damn! I'm at work. I'll take a rain check, if we're ever on at the same time some night.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: T.J. Combo]
      #11042941 - 07/03/07 04:43 PM

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Do you ever have people recognize you and run up to you in public and start gushing about how they loved your work with _______?

If I recognized you at the grocery store, and I had a broken arm and wanted you to sign my cast, would you?



Happens once in a great while. Once my girlfriend got asked for her autograph, so it probably happens to everybody once in a while by accident.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11043027 - 07/03/07 04:49 PM

KURT COBAIN: Hey Steve, I was wondering if you could turn up the gui...

STEVE ALBINI: Jesus Kurt, hold on. Grimstarr just tilted off $500k and I can't stop dreaming of Patrik Antonius.

(Insert incredibly offensive suicide by shotgun joke here.)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Quanah Parker]
      #11043211 - 07/03/07 05:02 PM

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Thank you for McClusky Do Dallas!



Super great funny band.
Quote:

What do you think of the chopping and screwing mixes of hip hop music?



I have heard the DJ Skrew version of Big Moe's City of Syrup, and that record is extraordinary and f'd up. Almost everything else I've heard like that has been lame and typical, so I think that's the one good one right there.

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Does this type of remix have any future in rock?



Oddly enough, some bands ask for specific Skrew-isms (super-low speed vocal takes, brutal disruptive edits) and they seldom work very well. Similar to when the 808 bass drum sample was all the rage, and usually just sounded stupid and tacked-on.

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Also, should I ever fold KK preflop?



Folded Queens to a big four-bet when 200+BB deep (but covered by a guy who could squeeze) full ring the other day and got into a beef with Pavaveda about it. He was all "how do you magically put him on KK+" and I was all "dude shut up you play limit HE shorthanded" and he was all "you have 34 percent equity against their ranges" and I was all "dude shut up I have two outs that aren't the nuts and I'm not playing for my stack with two outs and you're wrong about those ranges" and he was all "I disagree" and I was all "dude shut up."


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11043230 - 07/03/07 05:03 PM

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So, basically I wore you all out. Okay.

I'll check in from time to time.




I think most people are just trying not to bombard you. I have a que of about 500 questions waiting...:)

Let's say I live just north of Chicago (which I do) and am a fellow poker player (which I am) and want to sit in the studio with you one day.

Chances?

If you tell me one in a million, i'll take that as a positive.
So be careful.

P.S. You going to The Taste?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11043272 - 07/03/07 05:06 PM

Can you tell us what your home audio system consists of? Be specific plz <3

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: skunkworks]
      #11043313 - 07/03/07 05:08 PM

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Also, thanks for the only good "Ask Me" thread in BBV. You know, OOT is recruiting...




WPOTY.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PITTM]
      #11043352 - 07/03/07 05:11 PM

PITTM (Penis In The Mouth), you should totally lodge a complaint about me in ATF.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: whale_hunter]
      #11043535 - 07/03/07 05:24 PM

Have you heard any Wolfmother? If so what do you think of them?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11043620 - 07/03/07 05:30 PM

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Ah, you're from Providence. Okay. That explains everything. Forget what I said about the lesbian thing. You were probably just experimenting in college. But short hair looks good on skinny girls.





this thread is so [censored] fantastic, thank you sir

can you comment on recording '24 hour revenge therapy'? that album sounds really different to me from the other jawbreaker albums, which probably has a lot to do with blake's surgery, different songs, etc. but also just the atmosphere of the album is great. anything you can say about the experience, or what those guys were like would be awesome.

what did you think when you heard 'dear you'? there are some great songs on that record but i thought it was brutally overproduced.

oh one other thing, i noticed you didn't mention damon che among the great drummers you've worked with? what was it like recording him?

sorry if this is a lot of questions


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11043633 - 07/03/07 05:30 PM

Hey Steve,

Do you do any mastering work and how valuable is it to a recording? Do you have a take on the so called 'loudness war'?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: manpower]
      #11043648 - 07/03/07 05:31 PM

1. You are in the BB and unknown player makes a standard button raise. Do you 3-bet AJs/AJo/AQs/AQo? What about AT?
2. Same scenario as above except this time you have a small or mid PP.
3. UTG+1 opens, BTN calls, you are in the BB with 22/77/TT. Do you 3-bet?
4. You open OTB with 66 and average aggro TAG 3-bets in the BB. Do you call?


1. You open in the CO and BB calls. The flop is 9s 6c 2s. You cbet and get called. How often and on what cards do you 2nd barrel? (assume you have no hand no draw)
2. Same scenario as above except the flop is T55r.
3. Same scenario as above except the flop is 632r.
4. Same scenario as above except the flop is Q72r.
5. Same scenario as above except the flop is Kh Jh Tc.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: whale_hunter]
      #11043727 - 07/03/07 05:36 PM

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Let's say I live just north of Chicago (which I do) and am a fellow poker player (which I am) and want to sit in the studio with you one day.



There's a phone number on the studio website. You use the telephone to call it. That's the thing right there on the desk next to your computer.

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P.S. You going to The Taste?



I've had my quota of REO Speedwagon and Buddy Guy for the year, so I'll pass thanks. Big public scenes full of white hats, guidos and suburban blues fan dorks... no thanks. I'd rather have my nuts crushed in a vise.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PITTM]
      #11043840 - 07/03/07 05:44 PM

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Can you tell us what your home audio system consists of? Be specific plz <3



Not all put together at the moment, but here's what I got:

VPI record cleaner (incredible, I recommend it)
Studer linear-tracking TT (to be replaced by a VPI JR)
Ortofon cartridge (to be replaced by a pair of bayonet headshells, one with a Shure VR15X and one with a Sumiko Blue Point "nude" special)
Hagerman Bugle phono preamp
Marantz integrated amp (to be replaced by a home-made tube amp once I get off my ass and finish it)
Custom Linnaeum-tweeter speakers with reflex bass cabinets. No model number, but made by Linnaeum with Focal drivers.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: O Fen�meno]
      #11043865 - 07/03/07 05:46 PM

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Have you heard any Wolfmother? If so what do you think of them?



They're okay. On the whole, I'd rather listen to Dead Meadow.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11043946 - 07/03/07 05:51 PM

how many musicians have you nailed?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: manpower]
      #11044287 - 07/03/07 06:16 PM

Quote:

Hey Steve,

Do you do any mastering work and how valuable is it to a recording? Do you have a take on the so called 'loudness war'?



mastering is the last step before CDs or records are mass-produced. Lately there has been a trend toward making records "loud" at this stage by compressing and clipping the audio for a more aggressive sound. I am of the opinion that the record shouldn't leave the studio until it is pretty close to exactly what the band want, and consequently I prefer more judicious mastering.

If a record needs aggressive mastering to "save" it, then aggressive mastering isn't enough to save it. Given a choice between sound quality and apparent loudness, I will side with sound quality every time.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: FastPlaySlow]
      #11044637 - 07/03/07 06:41 PM

This quiz is probably going to expose how much of a fish I am, but I'll try to answer it off the top of my head.

Quote:

1. You are in the BB and unknown player makes a standard button raise. Do you 3-bet AJs/AJo/AQs/AQo? What about AT?



Call AT AJ, three-ball AQ+ and donk any low or Ace flop.

Quote:

2. Same scenario as above except this time you have a small or mid PP.



Three-ball anything bigger than Fives. Call other PP. Check sets and big card flops. Donk middle card flops. Check-raise flops where I make a draw that also have an Ace.

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3. UTG+1 opens, BTN calls, you are in the BB with 22/77/TT. Do you 3-bet?




Not usually. TT+ occasionally I will reraise a healthy amount, but small pairs I'm hoping to bust somebody with a set.

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4. You open OTB with 66 and average aggro TAG 3-bets in the BB. Do you call?



Not usually. This isn't a great gamble if he's for-real tight and won't go broke with one pair. Also, very few flops will help my hand.

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1. You open in the CO and BB calls. The flop is 9s 6c 2s. You cbet and get called. How often and on what cards do you 2nd barrel? (assume you have no hand no draw)



Second barrel depends on history with opponent, but probably half the time I bet any Nine and non-spade Aces, Kings. Maybe other non-straight cards if I get weird hair.
Quote:

2. Same scenario as above except the flop is T55r.



I'll probably check behind here. Maybe bluff an Ace.
Quote:

3. Same scenario as above except the flop is 632r.



I'll bet any big cards, depending on opponent's trapping tendencies, about a third of the time, and the bet will be pretty big. One pair and a draw, set or made straight are his most likely hands, and I'm hoping to fold the pair+draw hands and find out if I'm drawing dead otherwise. Less often he has a medium overpair, and won't like the continued aggression.
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4. Same scenario as above except the flop is Q72r.



Check behind about always. He has a weak queen or a set and isn't folding often.
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5. Same scenario as above except the flop is Kh Jh Tc.



I'd have to make a pretty big bet here if I'm going to bother, and that would probably be about 10 percent of the time.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11044769 - 07/03/07 06:51 PM

Steve thanks for doing this, in a completely heterosexual way I want to sex you.

No I am not gay or something.

How was working with Smog (Bill Callahan), if you remember?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Biosludge]
      #11044999 - 07/03/07 07:11 PM

Steve,

What do you think of The Mars Volta?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: skunkworks]
      #11045087 - 07/03/07 07:18 PM

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PITTM (Penis In The Mouth), you should totally lodge a complaint about me in ATF.




if you dont say retarded [censored] i have no complaints. its your call baby.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Wondercall]
      #11045319 - 07/03/07 07:35 PM

Steve,

"In the Aeroplane over the Sea" - great album, or the greatest album?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: sightless]
      #11045537 - 07/03/07 07:53 PM

Quote:

Quote:

lol.... does everybody here actually believe this is really steve albini, or am i just getting massively leveled?





why cant it be him?




I happen to know for a fact he plays poker, since a former DC acquaintance of mine has played in his game a couple of times. By his responses, no reason to doubt him at all.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Mondogarage]
      #11045605 - 07/03/07 08:00 PM

Will you be working with The Sadies again, down the road?

Also, having worked with The Wedding Present at the height of their powers, what are your thoughts on Take Fountain?

Thanks, best thread ever.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Mondogarage]
      #11045728 - 07/03/07 08:11 PM

Is Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys really as good as Paul McCartney says it is?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: oddjob]
      #11047290 - 07/03/07 10:46 PM

Quote:

any opinion on why these guys are so boring live?



i actually gotta say the best live concert i ever saw was a wilco show. but there were a few big confluent factors that went into that.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Wondercall]
      #11047709 - 07/03/07 11:30 PM

Do you have a good Kurt story that you could share?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Biosludge]
      #11047847 - 07/03/07 11:44 PM

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How was working with Smog (Bill Callahan), if you remember?



Blll is a super funny guy and he makes great records. I wish i had the opportunity to work on more of them.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PITTM]
      #11048407 - 07/04/07 12:45 AM

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Vinyl or Digital?



Was this refering to my post?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Wondercall]
      #11048577 - 07/04/07 01:05 AM

Quote:

What do you think of The Mars Volta?



I don't think I've ever thought of the Mars Volta.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Mondogarage]
      #11048694 - 07/04/07 01:18 AM

Quote:

Will you be working with The Sadies again, down the road?



They are great friends and I will gladly work with them any time they ask.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11049368 - 07/04/07 02:29 AM

Have you ever worked on a record that turned out so poor you asked for your name to be left out of the credits?

What were the Gub sessions like?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: thespoil]
      #11049500 - 07/04/07 02:42 AM

I know I've already asked two questions but this thread rocks.

1) If a hundred years from now people could only hear one album you worked on which would it be?
2) If you could create a dream band who would you select?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: thespoil]
      #11049559 - 07/04/07 02:49 AM

Quote:

Have you ever worked on a record that turned out so poor you asked for your name to be left out of the credits?



I am actually indifferent to being credited in any case. I make a lot of records, and a band putting my name on their record is inviting associations that they may not think are valid, and categorizing themselves in a way. I think it's nice that bands want to thank me for the work, but in most cases I think they'd be better off taking all the credit themselves and not mentioning me at all.

So no, I've never asked not to be mentioned, but I have a general preference for not being mentioned, in consideration of the band.

Quote:

What were the Gub sessions like?



Pretty ad-hoc. The two drummers, Bill Reiflin and Martin Atkins, played on everything, but the rest of the music was dependent on who they invited to participate on a given track. A lot of it was improvised. It was a pretty loose way of working, and it could have been a disaster. A lot of things done that way are.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Number27]
      #11049568 - 07/04/07 02:50 AM

By the way, since I first read this thread I can't stop listening to my old Pixies, Urge Overkill and McLusky CDs.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Number27]
      #11049841 - 07/04/07 03:25 AM

Quote:

1) If a hundred years from now people could only hear one album you worked on which would it be?



For my own tastes, probably Goat by the Jesus Lizard. What an awesome band. They were just about perfect for their first five years.

Quote:

2) If you could create a dream band who would you select?



That's a pretty meaningless question. Some musicians are terrific at one style or idiom of music, but clumsy at others. Some people have a distinctive style that they have developed a whole style of music around, but are not technically "good" in general terms. In particular, vocalists and guitarists can use abstract sound and timbre to great effect, without being particularly concerned about things like timing and pitch. In their own music, these effects can be perfect, but in any other setting, they would be ugly and inappropriate.

So, I have some favorite musicians, but they would probably make an awful band together.

Drummers: too many to count, all brilliant.
Bass: Tony Maimone, Barry Adamson, David Wm. Sims, Tracy Pew
Guitar: Also quite a few. Keith Levine, Wilco Johnson, Billy Gibbons, Malcolm Young, Andy Cohen, Robert Quine, Shannon Wright, Yanni Papadopoulos...


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: NT!]
      #11050275 - 07/04/07 04:42 AM

Quote:

oh one other thing, i noticed you didn't mention damon che among the great drummers you've worked with? what was it like recording him?



He's an awesome, inventive drummer, but he has been personally irresponsible and put some dear friends in harm's way, so I don't generally think highly of him. Incredible drummer though. He has invented techniques and effects for his playing that are distinctive and uniquely his. I have to respect that, regardless of what else he's done.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: oddjob]
      #11050320 - 07/04/07 04:52 AM

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how many musicians have you nailed?



Had to do some research and cyphering. I think it's about a dozen.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11054387 - 07/04/07 02:37 PM

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how many musicians have you nailed?



Had to do some research and cyphering. I think it's about a dozen.



At the same time?
Awesome!

Ok, seriously.
Do you have any favorite "toys" you're really digging right now? (Musicial or otherwise.)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Quanah Parker]
      #11055482 - 07/04/07 04:10 PM

I know you said upstream that you don't listen to a lot of music on your time off, but do you have any favorite music that would surprise us? like gamelan or something?

also, you worked with ken vandermark on a portastatic record, what do you think of him? thoughts about the chicago avant garde scene in general?

also, what do you think about jeff parker, and have you worked with him much? I really loved his playing on the new hamid drake/fred anderson record and had never heard of him before, that's why I'm asking.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Quanah Parker]
      #11055594 - 07/04/07 04:19 PM

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Do you have any favorite "toys" you're really digging right now? (Musicial or otherwise.)



Kevin from Electrical Guitar Company is making some incredible guitars right now. Beautiful workmanship, they sound incredible, and he'll custom make anything you ask for. There's a new low-power Orange guitar amp called the Tiny Terror that is great for recording and is really versatile. I'm still really into the David Josephson microphones, specifically the e22S (which we had a hand in designing) and the C700 (awesome vocalist microphone).


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: turnipmonster]
      #11055959 - 07/04/07 04:50 PM

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I know you said upstream that you don't listen to a lot of music on your time off, but do you have any favorite music that would surprise us? like gamelan or something?



Recently I've been listening to the collected recordings of Washington Phillips. So beautiful. I've been a lifelong fan of Willie Nelson, and I probably listen to more mountain music than you would imagine. For "serious music," I love listening to Gorecky, Glenn Gould and Phillip Glass. I particularly like Gould's voice montage recordings like "the Idea of North." Other 20th Century egghead avant garde music I like, but is much more of an intellectual stimulation (rather than a passive listening experience): Christian Marclay, Alvin Lucier, Conlon Nancarrow and Iannis Xenakis being particlar favorites. For makeout music, you can't beat Bill Withers and Clarence Carter.

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also, you worked with ken vandermark on a portastatic record, what do you think of him? thoughts about the chicago avant garde scene in general?



Bob Weston has worked with this scene a lot more than I have, but it's pretty ubiquitous here. There's a core of about 12 players who make up about 30 ensembles, depending on who booked the gig or who the guest soloist is. I don't mind improvised music, and some of the players are truly great (Hamid Drake is an astounding drummer, for example), but sometimes the whole avant Jazz scene seems like a race to see who can accumulate the most hours of stage time, and since the core of players is so familiar, it's hard to have a unique experience at one of these shows. These guys are also at their best when a visiting free music dignitary is in town and they're trying to impress him.

All of this sounds more flippant than it should, because these guys are dedicated to this music, but, like most things, either this is your scene and you like it already, or it isn't your scene and you're probably going to hate it.

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also, what do you think about jeff parker, and have you worked with him much? I really loved his playing on the new hamid drake/fred anderson record and had never heard of him before, that's why I'm asking.



Jeff is a great player, and he plays in the band Tortoise and several occasional outfits of the type I described.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11056329 - 07/04/07 05:26 PM

few more questions I don't think have been asked already. you make a lot of records, how often do you know when a record you are making is going to be really effing great? any surprises, times you have thought the record sucked but heard it later and thought it was great? how often in general do you hear the records you've made after you're done?

sorry if this is too many questions, really cool that you are doing this thread.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: turnipmonster]
      #11056997 - 07/04/07 06:36 PM

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how often do you know when a record you are making is going to be really effing great?



Another very good question.

There is a sort of clinical distance I have to maintain as an engineer that precludes forming an opinion about the music I'm working on. If I'm getting wrapped up in the music like a fan, then I'm not paying proper attention to the technical side, the way the equipment is behaving, etc.

I've used this analogy before, but I like it, so I'll use it again: While the recording is underway, I'm like a gynecologist, and it would be inappropriate for me to be getting turned-on by the vagina I'm working on at the moment. I need to have a different relationship with the vagina.

Imagine for a moment that I did allow myself to harbor opinions about how good a record was while I was making it. Two bands come into the studio, one of which I really like, and one whose music I dislike. It wouldn't be fair to that second band for me to let my distaste for their music affect the job I did, and that would be inevitable.

Also, all records aren't being made (ought not to be made) to suit me alone. My tastes are really [censored] up, and if I tried to make records to suit myself, rather than the band's tastes, I would make a lot of freakish records that nobody liked and didn't suit the band.

So, in order to maintain a professional level of concentration on the task at hand, and to allow the band to make a record that represents them accurately, I try not to even think about whether or not I like the record. Having said that, sometimes everybody can tell that a record is going to be awesome anyway, and of the records I've worked on that ended up being really great, the majority of them showed their greatness in the first couple of hours of work.

If there is something unique and subtle about a band that makes them great, then sometimes it takes longer exposure to become aware of it, but in general everybody can tell right away.

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any surprises, times you have thought the record sucked but heard it later and thought it was great? how often in general do you hear the records you've made after you're done?



I probably get to hear 10 percent of the records I work on after everything wraps. Usually they sound about like I remember them, but I have often been surprised that an opinion I held at the time of the session (the guitar is too loud, the vocals are too quiet, this song is a turkey...) end up being completely incorrect. For this reason I am not the least bit insistent when the band and I disagree on a matter of taste. I know for sure that I am fallible, and I know the band is more familiar with their own music than I am. When in doubt, do it their way.

I did an album in the 90s for the band Bush, after they had had a couple of big hits already. While we were working on their second album, they kept pursuing a particular song that I thought was a the weakest and most derivative of the whole set of songs we were working on. A complete dog. Whenever they asked my opinion, I would admit that this particular song struck me as disposable, and they should concentrate on other stuff.

In the end, they did a version they liked, which I still thought was a turkey, and the song "Swallowed" was released as the first single from the album.

It was also their first Number One hit single. I apparently know nothing about what makes for hit records.

Gavin Rossdale, singer of the band, forgave me enough to invite me to his wedding to Gwen Stefani, where my girlfriend was able to pocket all kinds of "Gwen&Gavin" monogrammed trinkets, none of which have yet made it to eBay.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11057687 - 07/04/07 07:45 PM

Enough with the music. Post your graph for the year, and your pokertracker stats.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ICallHimGamblor]
      #11058536 - 07/04/07 09:20 PM

Very awesome thread. Thanks for finding 2p2 and doing this.

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      #11058887 - 07/04/07 10:03 PM

Would you mind sharing how you felt the first time you played in a live poker game? Was it as exhilarating as playing a really good show with Shellac?

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Re: spill! [Re: samuraiphotog]
      #11059021 - 07/04/07 10:15 PM

What do you think about the commercialization or "selling out" done by bands in the indie scene, such as licensing songs for movies, TV shows, and corporate commercials? I feel there's good and bad to it as hearing "Where Is My Mind?" at the end of Fight Club led to me discovering the rest of their catalogue, but at the same time hearing the New Pornographers at the close of a commercial for the University of Phoenix Online was kinda weird and something I could do without.

Then there's the actual economic vs. art debate on it too.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11060135 - 07/05/07 12:19 AM

Pro tools or logic? explain plz.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: rubbrband]
      #11061936 - 07/05/07 04:18 AM

Why do you think you have become famous (in a relative sense) for doing something that ususally doesn't make a person a household name. How much of this was your skill in engineering vs. luck. vs recording really good bands.

Who have you worked with that you felt had the best understanding of recording?


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Re: spill! [Re: samuraiphotog]
      #11062127 - 07/05/07 05:00 AM

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Would you mind sharing how you felt the first time you played in a live poker game? Was it as exhilarating as playing a really good show with Shellac?



I have played poker since I was a kid, so if home games count, I played my first money game while in high school, around 1976, and I have had a semi-regular game to play in since I was in college. My first trip to a sanctioned game with a dealer and everything was pretty cool, but not really life-changing.

The first time I played in an underground card room was more interesting. I was in New York for a conference, and I played at a club (at the time I think it was called the Broadway). I didn't know what to expect, and I was pleased that it was pretty normal. It was neat to see actual degenerates in an actual illegal gambling club. I also won a little money, which bolstered the evening.

Playing poker is great, but not really anything like playing in a band. I try to be pretty inconspicuous at the poker table, and If I don't know anybody, I would rather not have the other players thinking about me and what I'm doing. Playing onstage with a band is to the contrary, quite conspicuous, and I hope what I'm doing is communicating something.


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Re: spill! [Re: 0evg0]
      #11062191 - 07/05/07 05:15 AM

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What do you think about the commercialization or "selling out" done by bands in the indie scene, such as licensing songs for movies, TV shows, and corporate commercials?



This is a pretty big topic.

A band that willingly associates itself with some commercial enterprise is attaching itself forever to that business and everything that business does. If a band abdicates that decision to a third party, then the band is admitting that its music doesn't mean enough as art to be protected from such associations.

There is also a distinction to be made between music made for its own sake (say for records) and music made for hire for commercial use, which seems like a completely different kind of music to me. Companies choose to use the first kind of music (let's call it "real" music) because the band, the music and the audience have cultural significance that the advertiser wants to co-opt and attach to a product or movie or whatever.

There are very few circumstances where using the first kind of music (let's call it real music) as a cultural lubricant for commercial intercourse doesn't creep me out a little bit, and I tend to think less of people who sell out their art, their reputations and their audience this way.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: rubbrband]
      #11062199 - 07/05/07 05:17 AM

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Pro tools or logic? explain plz.



I don't use computers to make records. I use tape machines, like nature intended. I use computers for correspondence, arguments, poker and porn.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Max Raker]
      #11062382 - 07/05/07 05:49 AM

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Why do you think you have become famous (in a relative sense) for doing something that ususally doesn't make a person a household name. How much of this was your skill in engineering vs. luck. vs recording really good bands.



Almost any competent engineer could have done what I have. I have been incredibly lucky to be working in a music scene that spawned a huge number of distinctive, talented bands, and I made myself available to them. There is no doubt in my mind that I get some credit I didn't earn, for working on records that were going to be incredible no matter who was in the chair at the time.

There are a few things about my approach in the studio that I think have made a positive contribution to the records I work on. I come from a band background myself, so I'm sympathetic to bands, and I understand how they work, both internally and in relation to the outside world. I know that asking a band to do things differently in the studio than they would onstage or in the practice room is bound to make them uncomfortable, and is not going to make them play well, so I try to let them play as normally as possible.

I also respect the decisions the band makes about their own music: What it should sound like, how fast it should be, etc. Whenever I hear that a producer made a band add a chorus or shorten a solo or tack-on a string section, my blood boils a little.

I also pride myself on being a bargain. A lot of people in my position try to maximize their income on every project, and eventually they price themselves out of the scene where all the good music is, and end up doing a few sessions a year for music that totally sucks. By keeping my rates reasonable, I get to work with all the good bands, not just those who have money and hype behind them at the moment.

The other thing I have is experience. I've made an assload of records, and any problem that's ever going to come up in a session, I've probably already figured out how to solve it or defend against it. I can work more efficiently than a lot of engineers because I'm not guessing and I'm virtually never stumped.

As percentage, I'd say my own contribution and tendencies are about ten percent of the value of my job. Eighty percent is the band and their abilities and ten percent is luck and market forces. That's a wild guess.

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Who have you worked with that you felt had the best understanding of recording?



Excellent question.

I think any band has a pretty good handle on things by their third album or so, and they can start to anticipate the technical considerations. Bands with recording engineers in them are a little quicker in that regard. Neurosis and the New Year are probably the most studio-savvy bands I've worked with, in that they often have pretty specific studio techniques in mind for individual songs.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11062463 - 07/05/07 06:09 AM

What are the remaining members of Silkworm doing nowadays since Michael's departure. What in your opinion is their best song?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11062556 - 07/05/07 06:31 AM

Just wanted to say thanks for this thread. You seem very humble about your accomplishments. Even better, you seem like a decent cash game player. I really liked your recommendations of The Jesus Lizard and Dead Meadow, never heard of them before this thread. I've been listening to them on Yahoo Music's subscription service for the past day or two.

Do bands get a fee or residual for having their songs released on the major online subscription services? (ex: Yahoo, Rhapsody, Napster) I'd like to think I'm supporting the bands, but I can't see how thousands of bands can live off of my measly $6 a month subscription. As a band member yourself, do you have an opinion on the subscription services versus, say, pay-per-song itunes?

My question seems kind of strange now that I type it out... I just wanted to say thanks for the Dead Meadow reccommendation!


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11064308 - 07/05/07 11:12 AM

As a Chicagoan and a gambler, please lay odds on the following happening:

-Chicago is named host of the 2016 Olympics
-Chicago gets a casino within the next 10 years
-The Cubs win the World Series within the next 10 years

Did you read Michael Azerrad's Our Band Could Be Your Life? If so, what did you think of it, and of the Big Black chapter in particular?

(Side question: Were the Butthole Surfers hands-down the craziest band of that era, as the book seems to imply? If they weren't, who was?)

Which Chicago rock critic is a bigger douchebag; Bill Wyman, Jim DeRogatis, Greg Kot, or someone else?

What do you think of Pitchfork Magazine?

Read any good books/seen any good movies lately?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Diamond Lie]
      #11067438 - 07/05/07 03:03 PM

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What are the remaining members of Silkworm doing nowadays since Michael's departure. What in your opinion is their best song?



Michael getting killed was pretty horrible for everyone here in Chicago. He was such a sweet guy, and involved in so many cool projects that just about everybody was directly affected.

Tim Midgett [edit: a decent poker player who plays in the Tuesday game sometimes] and Andy Cohen are in a new band, Bottomless Pit, who have a very good record coming out momentarily.

Best Silkworm song? Man, they have a million, and none are clinkers. "That's Entertainment," "Contempt," "I Hope You Don't Survive," "Young," "Don't Make Plans on Friday," "LR75," "Into the Woods," "Couldn't You Wait"... So many great great songs.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: bdk3clash]
      #11067608 - 07/05/07 03:17 PM

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What do you think of Pitchfork Magazine?



Apologies for the incorrect URL for Pitchfork I provided in my previous post. (Above link is correct.)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: donfairplay]
      #11067920 - 07/05/07 03:40 PM

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Do bands get a fee or residual for having their songs released on the major online subscription services? (ex: Yahoo, Rhapsody, Napster)



There is some tiny royalty paid, but it's hardly going to be anybody's bread-and-butter.

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I'd like to think I'm supporting the bands, but I can't see how thousands of bands can live off of my measly $6 a month subscription. As a band member yourself, do you have an opinion on the subscription services versus, say, pay-per-song itunes?



You are supporting the band by being a fan. Over the course of your life, you'll have many opportunities to buy records, Tee shirts, concert tickets and the like. Don't worry about your downloading/listening habits. The bands are happy that anyone is listening at all, and they will make a little money off you over time. They're glad they're in the game and that someone is listening.

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My question seems kind of strange now that I type it out... I just wanted to say thanks for the Dead Meadow reccommendation!



If you like Dead Meadow, try Om, Sunn0))), High Rise, and older bands like Blue Cheer and Budgie. If you like the Jesus Lizard, you're stuck with only them, because nobody else comes close.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11068670 - 07/05/07 04:40 PM

You seem to have a bit of disdain for improvised music. Have you ever recorded a Jazz album? If so what was your experience like?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: bdk3clash]
      #11069030 - 07/05/07 05:07 PM

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As a Chicagoan and a gambler, please lay odds on the following happening:

-Chicago is named host of the 2016 Olympics
-Chicago gets a casino within the next 10 years
-The Cubs win the World Series within the next 10 years



I am not a gambler, honestly. I play poker, and I will play games for stakes (I am a fish at Nine-ball, a shortstop in one-pocket, decent at three-cushion), but I don't like betting on things where my only edge comes from other people or objects performing as I hope they will.

That said, I used to offer Novotny a standing 5:1 on the Cubs making the post season and I made pretty good money over the years.

The rest, meh. I don't know.

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Did you read Michael Azerrad's Our Band Could Be Your Life? If so, what did you think of it, and of the Big Black chapter in particular?



Here's what I wrote about it in a thread on the Electrical Audio forums:

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There is a problem with any book like this. It is written by someone who wasn't there. He's trying to convey the importance of a culture that was really a series of individual events, each one of them unique and life-changing for anybody actually there at the time, but impossible to convey to someone who wasn't.

He's also telling the life story of a peer group that includes me, a bunch of my friends, and our counterparts around the world. It is impossible to write a book that includes an important part of my life that will not be read by me with some suspicion. I was there, he wasn't. Inevitably, he will look like an idiot some of the time.

That said, I liked the chapter on the Minutemen.




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(Side question: Were the Butthole Surfers hands-down the craziest band of that era, as the book seems to imply? If they weren't, who was?)



If you weren't there to see it, you might not believe it, but there were a lot of really effed-up bands in the 1980s, and the Buttholes weren't even particularly weird in context. Mudhead, Pile of Cows, Sloppage, the Thrown-Ups and the whole Bay Area scenes surrounding SRL and the Idiot... Now that was some weird right there.

The Butthole Surfers were easily the most selfish, childish little pricks in that scene, but not the weirdest.

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Which Chicago rock critic is a bigger douchebag; Bill Wyman, Jim DeRogatis, Greg Kot, or someone else?



Well, Jim DeRogatis is clearly the biggest, and Wyman no longer even pretends to cover Chicago, so he's immaterial. Kot generally has his heart in the right place, though he does fall for sucker bait like the Polyphonic Spree and the like. The dumbest professional music writer in Chicago though is a retard named Jessica Hopper, whose writing is simultaneously sophomoric, vapid and excruciatingly self-satisfied. It is literally impossible to glean any actual content or criticism from her writing, which is an achievement of some sort, I suppose.

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What do you think of Pitchfork Magazine?



I virtually never think of Pitchfork Magazine.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: rleidle]
      #11069194 - 07/05/07 05:18 PM

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You seem to have a bit of disdain for improvised music. Have you ever recorded a Jazz album? If so what was your experience like?



Oh no, not in the slightest, and I record free players as session guys pretty regularly. It almost never lives up to its promise, but I like the idea of improvised music a lot, and experience as improvisers makes musicians better able to handle extemporaneous stuff in other studio contexts. The players in that scene are uniformly excellent, and recording them is easy and it usually sounds good.

What I am suffering is more fatigue from an established improv scene in Chicago that has a fairly set demeanor. If you're a regular at these shows, you'll understand when I say that there aren't a lot of surprises, despite everything being supposedly "free."


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11069520 - 07/05/07 05:40 PM

I'll start with just three. I may have more later depending on how these go. Thanks for doing this btw.

1. You mentioned that you play in a regular poker game. Who is the best player in that game?

2. On a scale of one-thousand to ten-thousand squirrels, how much to you like/love to play poker?

3. According to the documentary about you, posted earlier in the thread, some people have labeled you a misogynist. With that said, do you think women make good poker players and could a woman ever be a worthwhile president of the U.S.?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: arbuthnot]
      #11070016 - 07/05/07 06:18 PM

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1. You mentioned that you play in a regular poker game. Who is the best player in that game?



Limit HE: a guy named Russ. His only real competition is a guy named Devin who probably gets more value from bad players, but in a tough ring game, Russ probably wins more/loses less.

Mixed games, stud games and Swingo: me

NLHE: Devin by a country mile. He takes advantage of every weakness he sees, usually perfectly balancing his play against observant players.

Omaha: Don't be ridiculous, nobody is better than anybody else at this goofy game.

My personal nemesis: Sean. Has me clocked perfectly.

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2. On a scale of one-thousand to ten-thousand squirrels, how much to you like/love to play poker?



Easy 7kS. Easy. On a tear, I could go the whole 10kS.

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3. According to the documentary about you, posted earlier in the thread, some people have labeled you a misogynist. With that said, do you think women make good poker players and could a woman ever be a worthwhile president of the U.S.?



There are so few women in any "sporting" enterprise it may take a long time for them to get a fair accounting. It is unfortunate that the ones with big teats and yappers get all the attention, since they are clearly not the best. I would welcome many of the "female pros" I see play online or on television in our Tuesday game, though Jen Harman is clearly world class, and I have sweated some excellent online players who turned out to be female.

As for President, whatever. It'll be thirty years or more before we've undone the damage of the last eight, so who gets elected this time doesn't really matter in the medium term, as long as it isn't another Republican.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11070290 - 07/05/07 06:40 PM

Was Phil Spector as innovative and important as Rolling Stone says he is?

I have already asked a few so feel free to ignore if you don't have the time or just don't feel like answering.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11070304 - 07/05/07 06:41 PM

I forgot the most important question...White Sox or Cubs?

Please don't let me down.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Max Raker]
      #11070386 - 07/05/07 06:47 PM

Quote:

Was Phil Spector as innovative and important as Rolling Stone says he is?



Oh hells yeah. Most record producers are parasites on the careers of bands and artists, but Phil Spector was actually the creator of everything on the records he produced, regardless of whose name was on the credits. He was also an extreme sex perv freak, gun nut and paranoid coke fiend. he was about as high-roller as dudes like that can be, and it all drove him nuts. Unique character.


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      #11070455 - 07/05/07 06:52 PM

Quote:

I forgot the most important question...White Sox or Cubs?



If you're a Cubs fan, I want you in the Tuesday game, and please bring your whole roll.

If you're a Sox fan, well, we're suffering some variance right now...




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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11070652 - 07/05/07 07:06 PM

Somebody ask me about Swingo.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11070673 - 07/05/07 07:08 PM

I have a theory that there is a very short lifespan for excellent rock bands. I just think in rock and roll that being young and hungry gives you a huge edge when it comes to producing kick ass music. When people lose that youth and hunger, the music suffers.

Can you think of bands that have released excellent albums more that 10 years apart? 5 years apart? If we had to destroy all rock music produced more than 10 years after a bands initial effort, what great music would be lost?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11070709 - 07/05/07 07:11 PM

Have you heard the Chicago band Black Nag (includes Dorian Taj from Articles of Faith)? What do you think of them?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11070717 - 07/05/07 07:12 PM

Quote:

Somebody ask me about Swingo.




wtf is swingo?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11070719 - 07/05/07 07:12 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I forgot the most important question...White Sox or Cubs?



If you're a Cubs fan, I want you in the Tuesday game, and please bring your whole roll.

If you're a Sox fan, well, we're suffering some variance right now...







Very nice.

I wouldn't call it "variance." Signing Erstad was a disaster, Dye's dropoff wasn't unexpected though the severity is surprising, and the bullpen was meh from the start.

I'm hoping Kenny learns from this year and we come back strong in 2008. He did do a good job with the McCarthy trade, and even Gavin Floyd looks like he might be a servicable major league pitcher for a couple years.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: KJS]
      #11070987 - 07/05/07 07:31 PM

Quote:

Can you think of bands that have released excellent albums more that 10 years apart? 5 years apart?



Well, present company excepted, there was an awesome Cheap Trick album released in 1994, titled "Cheap Trick," just like their first one, but the record company went [censored]-up a week later. The Fall keep making records, and once in a while one of them is good. Wire did it. Mission of Burma. Silkworm. Zeni Geva. Neurosis.

I was about to say it isn't too common, but I keep thinking of more, so basically you're wrong. Lame bands ought to break up early, but good ones can go on for a long time.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: KJS]
      #11071025 - 07/05/07 07:34 PM

Quote:

Have you heard the Chicago band Black Nag (includes Dorian Taj from Articles of Faith)? What do you think of them?

KJS



I have not heard them. I would not hold AOF (who were ridiculous and terrible) against Dorian. He always seemed like an okay guy.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11071046 - 07/05/07 07:35 PM

Have you ever edited your own wikipedia entry?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: oddjob]
      #11071275 - 07/05/07 07:50 PM

Quote:

wtf is swingo?



Named after a Naked Raygun song, Swingo is the poker game for the 21st Century, incorporating elements of 5-card draw, stud, hold-em and intentional angle-shooting. Invented (though rarely played) at the Tuesday game.

Swingo
Pot-limit played with two equal blinds.

Everyone is dealt five cards, and there is a round of betting. After the betting closes, each player places two of his cards face-down on the table. When all players have placed their hole-cards down, all players still in the hand expose the other three cards in their hand by placing them on the table face-up. These cards ("the Board") remain in play unless the hand holding them folds. There is another round of betting, starting with the best hand showing (as in stud), not taking other players' cards into account. For example, a player with two Kings on board would act first if no other player has a better hand showing, even if another player could make trips using a board card in addition to his up-cards. After the betting is closed, a final community card is dealt face-up on the table. There is a final round of betting. Players, starting with the last player to bet or raise, show their hands and declare them. The best legal declared hand wins. Declaring a hand your cards do not allow does not kill your hand, but it makes you a dick, and you have to get it right or ask for help for your next try.

A player may use any one of the other players' exposed cards (the Board, not another player's hole cards) in his hand. More than one player may use the same Board card. Any player may use the river card in his hand. Players are not required to use any board cards or the river card to make their hands. A player must use a minimum of three cards from his original five-card hand. The best five-card hand wins.

There is some debate about whether this game should be declared or cards-speak.

Other options: Hi-Low split, split pot with a player whose board card you use to make your hand (for this version, the hands should be declared rather than cards speak, since a player may opt to play for the whole pot by declaring a hand that doesn't use an opponent's up card).

[edit: I do not know of any site that offers Swingo online]


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: NozeCandy]
      #11071312 - 07/05/07 07:53 PM

Quote:

Have you ever edited your own wikipedia entry?



I think editing your own Wikipedia entry is super-duper lame and uncool, and I would never do it. It's supposed to be for other people to hang stuff on you, like how you are a sex criminal or cheat at Yahtzee whatever.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11071773 - 07/05/07 08:30 PM

Hey Steve,

Curious about your production on a couple Mono albums and GY!BE...

At the beginning of some songs (Ode, Yearning, and 09-15-00), the listener can hear your voice saying, "You're on." I understand these were recorded live, but I was curious what the purpose of leaving the command on those songs served.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11071828 - 07/05/07 08:35 PM

Mr Albini

I'm particularly fond of the Electrelane albums you worked on, I was wondering how you found working with them and what you think of the albums yourself.

Also, I was wondering what record producers you particularly admire yourself.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: jht]
      #11071903 - 07/05/07 08:42 PM

what's your relationship with the guitar and how has it changed over the years? do you spend a lot of time playing for fun, or not so much?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: charlatantric]
      #11072009 - 07/05/07 08:50 PM

Quote:

Hey Steve,

Curious about your production on a couple Mono albums and GY!BE...

At the beginning of some songs (Ode, Yearning, and 09-15-00), the listener can hear your voice saying, "You're on." I understand these were recorded live, but I was curious what the purpose of leaving the command on those songs served.



I didn't mix the Godspeed! record, so I don't know what decisions were made there. With Mono, I think they started thinking of that as the beginning of the song. In one case, I remember they asked me to overdub a "you're rolling." I never pressed them for a specific reason and they never gave me one.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11072044 - 07/05/07 08:53 PM

steve,

you may very well be saying 'no comment' by ignoring it in my last post, but i am super curious: nothing to say about 24 hour revenge therapy?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: jht]
      #11072107 - 07/05/07 08:58 PM

Quote:

Mr Albini

I'm particularly fond of the Electrelane albums you worked on, I was wondering how you found working with them and what you think of the albums yourself.



I think Electrelane are an awesome band, with really ambitious ideas. Each of the women is a unique character and I enjoyed working with them tremendously. Verity is a fantastic musician with the capacity to hear impossibly complex arrangements in her head, and I admire that.

Quote:

Also, I was wondering what record producers you particularly admire yourself.



I don't think too much of producers, honestly. There are some great sounding albums out there (Highway to Hell, Back in Black, Zuma, Led Zeppelin albums, Spiderland) but I attribute that to the bands themselves. If you listen to the crap Mutt Lange has done since Back in Black, for example, you can tell that giving the producer any credit for that album is going too far.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: NT!]
      #11072162 - 07/05/07 09:03 PM

Quote:

steve,

you may very well be saying 'no comment' by ignoring it in my last post, but i am super curious: nothing to say about 24 hour revenge therapy?



Sorry. I had to resort to Google to discover that it was a Jawbreaker album. I don't remember too much about it, other than that it was a decent, if standard pop punk record of the type that was pretty common in the mid-90s.

I didn't follow that scene or that band, and I don't know if I ever heard the record after I finished work on it, so I really don't have anything to add. Glad you liked it.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: turnipmonster]
      #11072186 - 07/05/07 09:05 PM

Quote:

what's your relationship with the guitar and how has it changed over the years? do you spend a lot of time playing for fun, or not so much?



Hardly ever. Once a month or so I'll get to play a little. More if the band is rehearsing for a tour or writing songs. Still hardly any.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: oddjob]
      #11072514 - 07/05/07 09:34 PM

Steve,

whats up? im a young professional audio engineer, musician, etc etc etc trying to make a living in the NYC scene. your attitude is refreshing amidst all the [censored] out there. so i first want to thank you for sticking it out in the biz, and for keeping Electrical's doors open.

my question to you is- with digital audio getting better as time goes on, is there gonna be a Pro Tools rig at Electrical? do you ever do sessions at other studios where you end up using Pro Tools?

since you're working primarily with 2''....have you ever run into a session that needed an absurd amount of editing? i've not worked much with tape in my time as an AE....is there ever a point at which it becomes counterproductive to do a large amount of editing on analog tape?

thanks,

jonathan jetter

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ua1176]
      #11072751 - 07/05/07 09:52 PM

Steve,

Thanks very much for the Q&A opportunity. A few questions on a couple of topics:

1) It is generally accepted that most folks prefer the smell of their own farts to that of others'. Is this true for you, and can you tell us a little bit about the features of your farts that make them more palatable? Do you take any measures to achieve and maintain any particular fart qualities?

2) David Wm. Sims' instrument sound, while quite extraordinary, strongly suggests that he has a fascination with farts well beyond the social norm. Did he talk about them often? Did he choose his meals with future farts in mind? I understand if you're not at liberty to discuss, but - is this why the Jesus Lizard split?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ua1176]
      #11072860 - 07/05/07 10:02 PM

Quote:

with digital audio getting better as time goes on, is there gonna be a Pro Tools rig at Electrical? do you ever do sessions at other studios where you end up using Pro Tools?



We have digital sessions at Electrical pretty regularly. If a session comes in that requires a Pro Tools rig, we strap one in, and we wouldn't be being reasonable if we refused.

Personally, I have never used Pro Tools, and never worked from a computer for any part of a recording session. I have never felt limited by this arrangement, and there has never been a moment in a session where I have had to say "we can't do that" because we were working on tape.

Quote:

since you're working primarily with 2''....have you ever run into a session that needed an absurd amount of editing?



Yes. We have another appearance of Urge Overkill in this thread.

Quote:

i've not worked much with tape in my time as an AE....is there ever a point at which it becomes counterproductive to do a large amount of editing on analog tape?



Well, you sort-of answered your own question there. A lot of editing means that there's something terribly wrong with the recording, and you're going through heroic steps to salvage it. I try never to let things get that far out of whack.

It is counter-productive to try to turn ka-kaa into gold.

Since editing is relatively quicker in the digital domain, a lot of digital-only engineers use editing as their default tool in every situation. I think that's profoundly lazy, and the equivalent of trying to build a house with just a hammer, pretending that everything is a nail. It is one of the earmarks of a hack. You could say "fish" instead.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11073096 - 07/05/07 10:17 PM

Quote:

Ballydowse



I had no idea you worked with Ballydowse on anything. Wow. This band was excellent.

I registered just to post this. Now I'm going to continue read this superb thread...


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11073176 - 07/05/07 10:21 PM

Quote:

Yes. We have another appearance of Urge Overkill in this thread.




Heh.

I saw UO live twice back in the nineties and both times I was completely shocked at how putrid they were. I mean, I'm no great shakes as a guitar player, but both times they were so out of whack that I was almost embarrassed for them. The first time was in the back of a bar in Iowa City so I thought maybe they just didnt give a damn, but then they sucked it up again for me at the Metro.

Guess it wasn't just a bad couple of nights, eh?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: tacoshooter]
      #11073655 - 07/05/07 10:56 PM

Hi Steve, I was invited to tag along to one of your poker nights a couple of months ago by a friend of mine (local musician), but I totally chickened out. I only play (very) casually and would be totally out of my league. My friend is extremely easy going, and thought it would be okay.

Should I accept the invitation next time?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ramblez]
      #11073811 - 07/05/07 11:07 PM

Quote:

Hi Steve, I was invited to tag along to one of your poker nights a couple of months ago by a friend of mine (local musician), but I totally chickened out. I only play (very) casually and would be totally out of my league. My friend is extremely easy going, and thought it would be okay.

Should I accept the invitation next time?



Oh absolutely.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11074085 - 07/05/07 11:27 PM

I enjoy the music of the Didjits, and I understand you did some recording for them. Which records did you work on, and were they a band whose music (or company) you enjoyed?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11074146 - 07/05/07 11:31 PM

Have you heard Andy Falkous' new band Future of the Left?

who in your opinion did you need to work with the least? like, bands that you pretty much just plugged in and were done right quick.

Edited by Von Hayes (07/05/07 11:34 PM)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: roto13]
      #11074197 - 07/05/07 11:35 PM

So I first off have to say that I couldn't stop laughing when you guys were opening for the stooges at the congress recently. I dont know when you guys decided to start [censored] with the audience, but they deserved it and kudos to you for finishing the set.

I too am a vinyl junkie, but things being as they are I was interested in finding out if you will ever mix a release differently for Mp3 given the [censored] [censored] nature of the ipod D to A converter.

BTW you should give the scoutmaster a listen, its a pretty amazing piece of equipment.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: hoponcox]
      #11074260 - 07/05/07 11:41 PM

LOL at all the lurkers coming out.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11074491 - 07/06/07 12:02 AM

Being into the Chicago music scene, I'm sure you have an opinion of Billy Corgan and the Pumpkins. What are your thoughts about the reunion, Billy's solo album (lol), or anything else about them? How have they impacted the music scene in Chicago?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11074871 - 07/06/07 12:33 AM

those aren't lurkers, someone leaked the thread on metafilter. And metafilter... that cmyr guy there, totally different dude. Don't even know that guy. Even a little bit.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: roto13]
      #11075535 - 07/06/07 01:29 AM

Quote:

I enjoy the music of the Didjits, and I understand you did some recording for them. Which records did you work on, and were they a band whose music (or company) you enjoyed?



The Didjits were a great band and good friends. My bands got to play with them several times and it was always a hoot. At one point, while I was still running Ruthless Records, I was going to put out the album that became Hey Judester, but luckily for everyone Corey Rusk from Touch and Go got to hear it and agreed to put it out. I worked on Full Nelson Riley, Little Miss Carriage and some other odds-and-ends. They got a well-deserved windfall when the punk band the Offspring covered "Kill Boy Powerhead" on an album that sold in the millions.

The Didjits reunited for the Touch and Go 25th anniversary, and it was like someone stopped the clock on them in the 80s and then started it again for the show. Immaculate.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11075779 - 07/06/07 02:00 AM

Steve-

one more question if you don't mind. since you're dealing with semi-long term sessions that (as far as i can tell) have a definitive start date and end date....how do you deal with situations where things take longer than planned?

pull a bunch of all-nighters toward the end of the session?

postpone the next clients for a couple days?

postpone the current clients until there's free time available?

always curious about how other people handle this. thanks,

jon


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ua1176]
      #11075906 - 07/06/07 02:18 AM

I'm a big fan of the Plush record you produced. What was it like working with Liam Hayes? I once heard that all the mistakes were deliberate. Is this true?

Also, if you were a musician of modest means, who had an appreciation for analog recording, what type of multitracker would you use for home recording?

Thanks,
Bob


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: cmyr]
      #11075969 - 07/06/07 02:25 AM

Quote:

those aren't lurkers, someone leaked the thread on metafilter. And metafilter... that cmyr guy there, totally different dude. Don't even know that guy. Even a little bit.



oh man, i haven't been there in like 4 years, but i used to read MeFi all the time

sorry for the "old internet coot" hijack


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ua1176]
      #11076003 - 07/06/07 02:30 AM

Quote:

since you're dealing with semi-long term sessions that (as far as i can tell) have a definitive start date and end date....how do you deal with situations where things take longer than planned?



I don't let them get that far out of hand. If need be, I'll work a long night, but if I sense that there won't be enough time to finish at the current pace, then I get the band to comprehend and either lighten the work load, schedule more time (usually requires a bit of lead time) or get the band to work quicker. Except in a few rare cases (acts of god, injury, illness, personal tragedy etc.), I wouldn't impose on an upcoming session. I can't justify letting a band's simple lack of preparedness interfere with another session.

In an absolute sense, the budget decides everything. If there's money enough, then nothing is really a problem. If there isn't, then the band gets to make the kind of record their budget allows, and at the pace the budget dictates. If they can't deal with that, then they have bigger problems than finishing their record.

But one way or another, I'm not going to send the band back to Belgium without their record.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: nath]
      #11076031 - 07/06/07 02:34 AM

This thread [censored] delivers!

What stakes do you play?

Are your screennames public?

How rigged is pokerstars?

You recorded "Icarus" by "The Forms", What do you think of them? Are there any bands you would recommend to a fan of The Forms?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: galmost]
      #11076212 - 07/06/07 02:57 AM

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What stakes do you play?

Are your screennames public?

How rigged is pokerstars?



I have played stud online as high as 25-50, but the games are not as good lately, so I stick to 8-16 and smaller. In NLHE, HORSE or PLO8, I try not to have more than a grand or so in play, so I'll play live stakes appropriate for that sort of buy-in (1-2 NL, 3-5 NL, 5-5 NL, up to 8-16 limit), or online I'll 2-table $200 NLHE or a medium stakes stud game and a $200 NLHE game. I haven't been in casinos where they spread stud enough to have a feel for how those games play, but I'd probably take a shot at live stud up to $40-80.

My FT screen name is pretty tricky, "steve albini." Hunt me down.

Stars is probably not too rigged. Live poker is way more rigged.

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You recorded "Icarus" by "The Forms", What do you think of them? Are there any bands you would recommend to a fan of The Forms?




If you like the Forms, you will probably like their alter-ego, the Desert Fathers.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: vibizoom]
      #11076266 - 07/06/07 03:04 AM

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I'm a big fan of the Plush record you produced. What was it like working with Liam Hayes? I once heard that all the mistakes were deliberate. Is this true?



That record was made pretty meticulously. Anything on the record was chosen specifically and put there intentionally.

Liam has the spark of genius, but he's a little in the clouds, and he has a lot of philosophical baggage about how he makes his way in the world. It makes it difficult to count on him in any formal way, but every once in a while he does something incredible.

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Also, if you were a musician of modest means, who had an appreciation for analog recording, what type of multitracker would you use for home recording?



If you want to build a studio, you can buy an excellent multitrack tape machine for a grand or so, but they are inappropriate for just putzing around. They're a commitment of time and money.

I'd just get a simple 4-track and see how you like it. If you do, then you can move up to more sophisticated gear.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11076632 - 07/06/07 03:57 AM

Steve,

Few things, here -

1. Jessica Hopper/ Stephen Merritt/Song of the South/ "Rockism"....any thoughts?

2. Once when I saw Shellac, there was a technical issue with one of the amps. You took the opportunity to quote (if I remember correctly) a stand-up comedy adage. Something about preparedness and timing? I thought it was funny, and for years I've wished I could remember it. Have any clue what I'm talking about?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: porcelain]
      #11076681 - 07/06/07 04:05 AM

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1. Jessica Hopper/ Stephen Merritt/Song of the South/ "Rockism"....any thoughts?



Sure.

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2. Once when I saw Shellac, there was a technical issue with one of the amps. You took the opportunity to quote (if I remember correctly) a stand-up comedy adage. Something about preparedness and timing? I thought it was funny, and for years I've wished I could remember it. Have any clue what I'm talking about?



Nope.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11077098 - 07/06/07 05:30 AM

Steve,

you seem to really despise Urge Overkill. I've heard that they're difficult to work with etc. Any stories you'd like to share?

Thanks again,

Cameron


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: cameronw01]
      #11078651 - 07/06/07 10:20 AM

Jeez, all these people with one post asking questions. Don't they know that they can go to the Electrical Audio Forums and ask these questions? They must not. Back to the poker questions!

Thanks for answering my previous questions. I'm pleased to hear that you think Russ is the best LHE player in your regular game, but am surprised that you didn't mention him in the NLHE category especially considering his outstanding NLHE tournament record.

Three more quick questions, if you'd be so kind:

1. Have you ever smooth-called on the river with the nuts when heads-up?

2. Have you ever shot an angle? Even a little one?

3. What are your favorite poker phrases?

Grazie


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: arbuthnot]
      #11078745 - 07/06/07 10:29 AM

A couple of questions for you:

1. The new Shellac record is great! I've always wondered, though, how do you keep your objectivity when it comes to your own performances (and bandmates, whom you are close with)? Is it more difficult to do? Or are you capable, or used to, being able to judge properly whether you are happy or not happy with a performance, recording work, mix, with Shellac of North America?

2. I love your work with Low. My band recently recorded with Alan Sparhawk and Eric Swanson in Duluth (at their church/studio) and it was a great experience. One thing that always struck me on those records you did with Low was the string quartet (or more?) sounds -- just beautiful. How in particular did you get those sounds and was it any different then just miking up, sans amp, an acoustic guitar or something like that?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: markoelreno]
      #11079788 - 07/06/07 11:59 AM

Hi Steve. I'm a big fan. I hope this is really you.

Where did the name Rape Man come from? Was it named after someone specific?

I hear you like baseball. Do you play? Have you ever thought about owning a team? If so, I would like to be the manager, ha ha.

What is your philosophy for playing NLHE against bad, unpredictable players?

Who is the best Swingo player you know? Does he make a lot of money playing it?

Sorry for all the questions. I think I am just nervous or something.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11080452 - 07/06/07 12:56 PM

This is a fun diversion from discussing the softness of Florida O8 tables...and oh they are newly-minted-baby-bottom soft...

I saw Rapeman at CBGBs way back in 199X. Jeez is Rey an amazing drummer; he and George Hurley freak me out. At any rate, I saw that you used Dunlop copper picks. I love the things for their durability and the bright kind of sound they help deliver. However, on yours I noticed there was a little snip taken from the tip of the pick so that there were in effect two little points at the tip. Was that something deliberate? If so, why and how did you do it?

And for those who asked getting in to the recording biz, or for folks who are just curious about amateur recording, there's about a bajillion options for noodling around as an amateur. Any Sam Ash will be happy to overcharge you for a casette (or digital) 4 track. Any Mac will have "Garage Band" for free, though the time I've spent with it has been frustration. The Tascam 428 is a nice, cheap option that will allow multitracking. Where you'll realy end up spening $$$ is on mics. Steve, feel free to debunk this free advice...


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: SpleenLSD]
      #11080470 - 07/06/07 12:57 PM

stereogum.com and metafilter.com have posted links to this thread...interesting

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: pdxmike]
      #11080951 - 07/06/07 01:35 PM

What are some good swingo angle shoots?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Max Raker]
      #11081157 - 07/06/07 01:48 PM

Steve,

1. Janet Weiss yes or no? and why.
2. Any stories you can share on your working with Polly Jean Harvey? When Rid of Me came out, she went on record as saying she was pleased with the work you had done. Would you like to work with PJ again?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: toomuchnoise]
      #11081637 - 07/06/07 02:16 PM

i read in an interview w/ grant (rudimentary peni) that he and jon laid down some tracks and sent it to you. what has/will ever become of these?
thanx...


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: humandoubles]
      #11082652 - 07/06/07 03:25 PM

awesome thread mr albini.

thanks for the insight.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: arbuthnot]
      #11083861 - 07/06/07 04:41 PM

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I'm pleased to hear that you think Russ is the best LHE player in your regular game, but am surprised that you didn't mention him in the NLHE category especially considering his outstanding NLHE tournament record.



LOL Homegameaments

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1. Have you ever smooth-called on the river with the nuts when heads-up?



Not heads-up. I misread my hand once and smooth called a three-way pot with a straight flush. I thought I had backdoored a one-card flush the 8 when I had actually made a straight flush.

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2. Have you ever shot an angle? Even a little one?



Can't think of one. But this might be an angle right here. Wait, here's one. I was out of position against Devin with some mediocre hand like second pair, and another overcard comes on the river. I said "I check and call." Hoping to get him to reveal the strength of his hand. He obliged by betting about twice the pot, so I folded.

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3. What are your favorite poker phrases?



Well, I love hearing "I fold." Just love it. Like pretty music. I like the French term for pushing all-in, "Tapis," meaning "carpet," as though you were emptying your house out down to the carpets in order to bet everything.

There are some poker expressions that are unique to the Tuesday game that I quite like, and deserve to see wider use:

"Shitapes" unskilled players of the type found in low-limit online games and at the casino boats near Chicago. Inspired by a chat-box insult, but appropriate because they jabber and throw their chips in the pot the way monkeys fling their poo.

"Bot" an opening raise to 5x the BB, after a player in the game who would pretend to be a robot calculating the perfect bet. Also, a min-raise following a Bot is a re-Bot.

"Crapass" complaining about the way the cards fell. After another player who would occasionally violently muck his "crapass cards!" Also, complaining about anything is now "crapassing."

"Wizard mode" when a player is passively calling bets on the river, being a pay-off wizard, he is said to be stuck in "Wizard mode." It is also a subtle jab at role-playing gamers, the only class with a higher dork quotient than poker players.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11084001 - 07/06/07 04:52 PM

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Have you heard the Chicago band Black Nag (includes Dorian Taj from Articles of Faith)? What do you think of them?

KJS




I have not heard them. I would not hold AOF (who were ridiculous and terrible) against Dorian. He always seemed like an okay guy.




Just curious. My sister is their drummer/vocalist.

KJS


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11084475 - 07/06/07 05:28 PM

this link was just posted on stereogum so apres moi, le indie pop deluge...

my question relates to The Wedding Present.

Seamonsters is widely considered their best effort. I think even Gedge would agree with that but they didn't stick with that sound on future albums. Did you have to convince them of the type of sound you were giving them on Seamonsters? Were they resistant or did you see eye to eye on the recordings? He's been known to have disagreements with sound engineers and producers.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: markoelreno]
      #11084732 - 07/06/07 05:47 PM

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how do you keep your objectivity when it comes to your own performances (and bandmates, whom you are close with)?



Making a record isn't an objective exercise like counting peaches in a basket. Objectivity has no place in the creative part of the recording process. In the technical side, yes. The equipment and the technique need to be appropriate for the job, and most of the time that means operating everything within its technically-correct specifications, and with two engineers in the band, that part is pretty easy.

I am convinced that any decent art (including records) is made with a measure of disregard for its audience. Good art is an almost entirely selfish pursuit, in that the artist is doing something unique to him, and any outside perspective (this "objective" one) would be ignorant and unable to judge it completely. Having seen many bands go through the process, I am convinced that making concessions to the imaginary audience (or any "objective" considerations) almost always weakens the record.

Good records are made by freakishly-obsessed people, driven to do what only they can do, and their thinking and processes are often "objectively" wrong. Objective measures are at best a benchmark of mediocrity and shouldn't be in consideration.

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How in particular did you get those (string) sounds and was it any different then just miking up, sans amp, an acoustic guitar or something like that?



Much of the string recording for the Low records was done in Minneapolis by Tom Herbers, and I shouldn't get credit for it. Some of it I did, and yes, I just put a microphone where it sounded good and pressed "record." Room acoustics are critical for string ensemble recording, and I'm lucky that I get to work in good-sounding rooms.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: offyerhead]
      #11084745 - 07/06/07 05:48 PM

What, in your mind, makes Goat a better record than Liar? Just better songs? Production? I've always thought Liar was far and away the better record so I was just curious what your take on it is.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11085364 - 07/06/07 06:34 PM

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If you are considering going into a recording program, I would strongly recommend going to a normal accredited university with a concentration in engineering, acoustics or music. Some schools offer a Tonmeister-equivalent recording program (UMass Lowell and University of Iowa used to, I don't know who does now).




I went to UMass Lowell as a music education major and they still offer a sound recording degree in the music department (most of my friends were in this major...and as a result, many people thought I was too). It is actually a music performance degree with an emphasis with in sound recording technology. You can also pursue SRT as a minor paired with electrical engineering or computer science. It is probably one of the few schools still actively teaching the art of analog recording. There are several projects which require students to cut and edit tape. Their senior studio is equipped with a 2" machine and all sorts of other neat equipment. They do also have digital equipment seeing as they are preparing people for a career that may include this technology.

UML also has a radio station, WUML, that despite taking a beating from the school's administration is still a great way to meet new people, hear cool music and practice your craft. Bob Weston's Live from the Fallout Shelter is still on the air on Monday nights.

Many of my friends have gone on to careers in the audio industry including post-production work (which earned one of them an Emmy), mastering and General Assistant at Avatar Studios in NYC.

I agree with Steve. Go for the university education. I have a few friends that went to NE Institute of the Arts (a 2 year trade style school) that I am positive did not get anywhere near the same experience as my friends at UML.

I am a poker idiot and therefore cannot ask any questions appropriate for this forum. Maybe when I get some courage later I'll post some sort of musical or recording related question. Or maybe I'll just ask what your favorite brand of peanut butter is...


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Guesstimater]
      #11085560 - 07/06/07 06:50 PM

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Hi Steve. I'm a big fan. I hope this is really you.

Where did the name Rape Man come from? Was it named after someone specific?

I hear you like baseball. Do you play? Have you ever thought about owning a team? If so, I would like to be the manager, ha ha.

What is your philosophy for playing NLHE against bad, unpredictable players?

Who is the best Swingo player you know? Does he make a lot of money playing it?

Sorry for all the questions. I think I am just nervous or something.




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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11085615 - 07/06/07 06:54 PM

Thanks for the info on the bands I'll get started on that list soon as I get paid next week.

1)how do you feel about Kronos Quartet? if you like them can you suggest anything in that neighborhood?

2) Just a comment, I liked some songs on Exit the Dragon by Urge Overkill a lot, do they suck that bad? I believe you though, That lead singer guy was pulling some rock star B.S. when I saw him at a small (really tiny) Club a few years back when he was touring that solo album of his.

3) You may direct me to your forum, but are there any specific techniques you'd suggest for recording vocals at home alone on run of the mill digital equip (Audio Technica at2020 into a presonus tube pre into a yamaha aw-1600, before you say anything I got it all on the cheap) ? I'm specifically having trouble getting good levels when it's mixed w/ a few other inst.

4)If my stuff sucks badly is their any cheap(inexpensive) stuff you can suggest?

Sorry to be so selfish y'all but I had to jump at the chance.

Thanks for the gear tips too, I was looking for a rugged and inexpensive tube head and I don't wanna lug this vt-22 around.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: G Street]
      #11085930 - 07/06/07 07:21 PM

Hi Steve, just curious as to other music you're into, like electronic stuff....do you ever listen to any of this? Techno/abstract/whatever....doesn't have to be recent, go as far back as you like.

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electrical audio [Re: subverter]
      #11086033 - 07/06/07 07:28 PM

Steve, have you ever used old speakers as mics on kickdrums or bass cabs?

What mics do you like for drum overheads?

Ever heard any recording efforts by Alex Newport?

Do you read TapeOp?

Do you have any interest in football?

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Re: electrical audio [Re: terryb]
      #11086173 - 07/06/07 07:42 PM

I have two questions. The First is about the albums you have recorded for the band the EX. These records have such a great vibe to them and capture them so well. Is there anything you can say about how the are in the studio?

And second, I once read that originally Fugazi recorded "In on the Kill Taker" with you, then both parties agreed they should do it again. Is there anything you can tell us about that?

Thanks!

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: subverter]
      #11086302 - 07/06/07 07:51 PM

Mr. Albini,
Thank you for your insights in this post, it is enlightening to hear the opinions of a more experienced engineer.

Anyway, a couple of questions, first two regarding "in Utero", I listened to the album a few weeks ago and picked up on a couple things.

I noticed in "rape me" the first verse that the drums play on, it seems that the snare was overdubbed, but the old snare line remained in what I am assuming are the overheads.
Was this an intentional thing? an afterthought? or something you just lived with? It seems intentional, because it sounds pretty cool.
Did dave grohl overdub hits a lot?
I use drum replacement software sometimes, but don't like to, it kills the dynamics of a song. better to just have a good drummer.

Whatever you did to get the KICK drum sound for that album, in my opinion, set the tone for the whole record. It almost has a "woody" sound (haha everyone laugh.... ok done.)
that, got me thinking of an clip I saw of the lord of the rings in post prod, where they built a wooden box with baffles, and reamped the dialogue, to get the tree dudes sound.
Was is something like that you did? if not, have you ever?

Final question,
I'm a Full Sail Grad, Certified Pro Tools operator, and currently freelance engineering... Do you have any advice for someone in my "newborn" position?
At the moment, I am just trying to do as much work as possible, meet as many people / bands as I can, and generally do good by everyone I come in contact with.


Thank you again for your posts, I've gained some insight and a few laughs. =)
Take it light.
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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Joe Fitzgerald]
      #11086488 - 07/06/07 08:06 PM

LOL at all the people who signed up at a poker forum to ask Steve questions when he has his own forum at his website.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ICallHimGamblor]
      #11087052 - 07/06/07 08:50 PM

Do you ever watch documentaries about the making of famous rock records, or is that too much like work to be entertaining? I'm thinking specifically of the Metallica documentary where their label hires a therapist to help the band and producer work through their bad vibes and childhood "issues" so that they might be able to squeeze out a serviceable rock album. I know nothing about Metallica, but that is one funny movie.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: roto13]
      #11087342 - 07/06/07 09:18 PM

Steve

Brightback Morning Light is the best sounding (production, quality) album in my opinion of the year so far. Have you had the chance to listen? Also, we need a new Dead Meadow album soon, those guys are making great records. Also, allow me to blow smoke up your ass and mention that the work done on Joanna Newsom's Y's sounds great.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Von Hayes]
      #11087863 - 07/06/07 10:06 PM

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Have you heard Andy Falkous' new band Future of the Left?



Andy is quality. I'm glad he's still playing.

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who in your opinion did you need to work with the least? like, bands that you pretty much just plugged in and were done right quick.



Well, The band Weeddeater just did an album here that was scheduled to take 5 days, but they knocked it out in 4, and I think we were done by 8pm every day. That's a pretty easy session. If you've ever seen them, you know that they have a unique and gnarly sound, but that sound is built-in, and I didn't have to do anything special. That one just sort-of fell off the truck complete.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: G Street]
      #11088190 - 07/06/07 10:35 PM

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1)how do you feel about Kronos Quartet? if you like them can you suggest anything in that neighborhood?



If you mean small-ensemble string music, you might like Threnody Ensemble or the Rachel's. I particularly like their Music for Egon Schiele, but that's more piano-based. If you are more interested in ensembles with commissioned pieces, you might like some of Rova Saxophone quartet's recordings.

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I liked some songs on Exit the Dragon by Urge Overkill a lot, do they suck that bad?



Yeah, they do. You probably don't even like those songs you think you like.


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3) You may direct me to your forum...



All this stuff should be directed to an audio/recording forum. Unless you want to talk about nailing musicians, Swingo or how bad Urge Overkill are, that's probably the place.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11088234 - 07/06/07 10:38 PM

Waht m;usican gave the best bj. pics plzzz

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: subverter]
      #11088411 - 07/06/07 10:53 PM

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Hi Steve, just curious as to other music you're into, like electronic stuff....do you ever listen to any of this? Techno/abstract/whatever....doesn't have to be recent, go as far back as you like.



There used to be interesting electronic music, before that became a synonym for a special kind of horrible dance music. I enjoyed quite a bit of this pre-disco era: Iannis Xenakis, Morton Subotnick, the White Noise, Silver Apples, Kraftwerk, Suicide, DAF, Tommi Stumpff, S.P.K., Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, Metal Urbain, Cabaret Voltaire, Tuxedo Moon, Factrix, etc. There is very little going on now that can compare to the either the creepy dread or the crazy inventiveness of the pre-sampler era.

I do admire bands like Wolf Eyes, and I had a single from Arcane Device that I liked, but honestly, dance music really destroyed the whole electronic genre for me, and I no longer even look for it.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ICallHimGamblor]
      #11088462 - 07/06/07 10:59 PM

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LOL at all the people who signed up at a poker forum to ask Steve questions when he has his own forum at his website.



Yeah, this thread has gone lame in a hurry.


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Yeah, this thread has gone lame in a hurry. [Re: electrical]
      #11088720 - 07/06/07 11:22 PM

I don't frequent forums much beside the digidesign user conference. I merely saw this as an opportunity to ask some questions I was curious about only weeks ago. Please excuse my hijacking of your thread.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11088739 - 07/06/07 11:23 PM

Someone else in this thread asked you about the recordings with Rudimentary Peni that took place in the late 1980's. I had interviewed Grant from Peni back in the mid-to-late 90's for good 'ol fLiPSiDE and he mentioned that he remembered recording those tracks and how amazing they sounded. I know that Nick Blinko didn't take part in the sessions, but Grant and Jon are such an amazing rhythm section that I'm sure it was a blast for you to play with them.

Also, good 'ol Manny from Distortion Felix always praised your recording of them. He's one of the coolest cats in Silverlake and as down to earth as my local mechanic. I love that guy!

I don't know if you've heard 400 Blows, but they are a pretty amazing live band. They are also pretty out there like if you took Jaz Coleman from Killing Joke and had him front an early Black Flag that was influenced by the Melvins. Yeah, I know..maybe they have a time machine?

Anyways, enough of my verbage...Keep doing what you love!

Peace,

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Cake]
      #11089105 - 07/07/07 12:05 AM

How did you get hooked up with Hum from Champaign/Urbana? What was it like working with them? Really no anecdote is too small, so go into as much detail as you please.

Thanks.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11089239 - 07/07/07 12:24 AM

Any truth to the rumor that you are mixerman?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Max Raker]
      #11089310 - 07/07/07 12:33 AM

Quote:

What are some good swingo angle shoots?



I don't want to give the impression that I like angle shooting. Swingo is a ridiculous game, and in an attempt to incorporate elements of many other poker games, an element of angle-shooting was added for completeness.

A big part of the game is which cards you choose to expose when you separate your hole cards from your board cards. This was intended to mimic the angle-shoot of flashing a card to mislead a player. Mike Caro outlines one such play in his Book of Tells, and I recently had a French dude try something similar at the Aviation Club. French dude moved a big bet into the pot with the same hand that held his hole cards, intentionally flashing me a red Trey when the board had a four-flush in Clubs showing, trying to sell either a bluff or value bet of the bottom straight. I had to fold the top straight, because his other card was almost certainly the A.

In Swingo, everyone's boards are also in play for everyone else's hand, so you can make a deceptive play that forces player A to fold the card that would allow player B to beat you. Here's an example:

On the deal, you have a set of eights, a great starting hand. Once the boards and river card are out, you have bricked your full house draw, and only have trips.

Player A (who has never played Swingo before) has a probable four-flush in his hand, which he will complete with a spade from your board, and Player B is showing a pair of Deuces, which means a probable two-pair hand (knowing this takes some 'splaining, so just trust me), which he will fill with the 2 from player A's board if A stays in the hand.

Player B wants to extract value from both you and player A, but he cannot beat you if player A folds. He bets, you say "We both filled! Let's dance!" and re-pot it. Player A folds his flush, and in so doing, folds player B's boat. Player B knows you are not full, since none of your cards are paired in sight (a necessity for a full house in Swingo), so he makes a crying call. The angle is that taking advantage of player A's inexperience lost the pot for player B.

More than any other game I can think of, Swingo requires players to manage the betting behavior of their opponents, keeping key players in a pot while eliminating others. This is an area of the game ripe for angle shooting.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: OrangeCat]
      #11089365 - 07/07/07 12:39 AM

Quote:

Any truth to the rumor that you are mixerman?



No, he gets paid a lot more than me.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11089542 - 07/07/07 12:58 AM

I think that the past 10 years give or take have seen really [censored] music. Mostly just brainwashed junk where nobody seems to stand out.

It seems like theres a couple leaders of each different sound of music, but EVERYBODY sounds the exact same. Such as, John Mayer, Creed, My Chemical Romance for a few, almost every band out there sounds like one of them or one of the other few bands today.

I haven't heard a band come out with any music that resembled any blues, jazz, folk, etc. But they're all genres that have come out recently such as Emo, Screamo, Protopunk/ Poppunk, Heavy Metal, rap, etc. Even country is now turnning into pop. The word music might as well be changed to Pop. So people can say, what pop genre do you like?

I know there are people that still make good music, but they're a dieing breed today.

Tell me what you think of this argument since you are one that has been in the buisiness for the past while.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: PattdownManiac]
      #11089762 - 07/07/07 01:18 AM

Glen, here. Huge fan. Long-term record store employee. Old friend of Danielle who used to run Southern. "Racer-X" was one of the records that changed how I hear music. No, really.
Top Albini questions of the moment:
1) How old were you the first time you heard Kraftwerk?
2) Are you a fan of Gang of Four "Entertainment!"?
3) After recording "Light Sabre [censored]-Sucking Blues", what happened in the studio? (I worship that song)
4) When is "awesome" going to be over?
5) Could you tell, during the "Surfer Rosa" sessions that you were recording EXTREMELY influential music?
6) Can you hear me now?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: village]
      #11090495 - 07/07/07 02:50 AM

OMG, if I see one more person who makes this their first (and probably last) post I'm going to shoot myself.

To make this thread more fun and less music nerdy:

1) Beatles or Stones?

2) Brian Townsend or Patrik Antonius?

3) What was the last show you saw at the Fireside?

4) Sklansky - genius or creep?

5) Do you have plans on wearing your LOL Donkaments shirt on stage during a show?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11090677 - 07/07/07 03:13 AM

Dear Mikey Patriot,
I am truly shattered that I did not live up to your level of coolness. I probably won't sleep for a week (maybe a month).
Please answer the following questions...
1) How
2) How long
3) How long has
4) How long has it
5) How long has it been
6) How long has it been since
7) How long has it been since you've
8) How long has it been since you've gotten
9) How long has it been since you've gotten laid?
10) I'll totally blow you.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: MikeyPatriot]
      #11090795 - 07/07/07 03:29 AM

Quote:

OMG, if I see one more person who makes this their first (and probably last) post I'm going to shoot myself.



Man, I didn't mean to drag all this crap in here. Sorry. I thought it was just us.

Quote:

To make this thread more fun and less music nerdy:

1) Beatles or Stones?



Stooges.

Quote:

2) Brian Townsend or Patrik Antonius?



Antonius attracts more poon, sbrugby gets to flip for half a million with an overlay... thinking... thinking... poon wins.

Quote:

3) What was the last show you saw at the Fireside?



I'm going to say it was the Detholz! but it's been a couple of years.

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4) Sklansky - genius or creep?



Or? Or? Or? Where do you get this false dichotomy? He's a profoundly creepy genius. That seems plain-as-day obvious.

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5) Do you have plans on wearing your LOL Donkaments shirt on stage during a show?



What's it worth to you?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: 0 Talbot 0]
      #11090876 - 07/07/07 03:42 AM

Quote:

I think that the past 10 years give or take have seen really [censored] music. Mostly just brainwashed junk where nobody seems to stand out.



Nothing ever stands out. You have to look for anything you might like. Clearly you have given up looking.

Quote:

Tell me what you think of this argument since you are one that has been in the buisiness for the past while.



I think you're a defeatist and you are destined not to enjoy music. If you wait for other people to thrust music under your nose, you'll be listening to nothing but crap for a long while, because that's what gets thrust at us. Music is not a spectator sport.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11090911 - 07/07/07 03:48 AM

So, anyway...Glen, here. Huge fan. Long-term record store employee. Old friend of Danielle who used to run Southern. "Racer-X" was one of the records that changed how I hear music. No, really.
Top Albini questions of the moment:
1) How old were you the first time you heard Kraftwerk?
2) Are you a fan of Gang of Four "Entertainment!"?
3) After recording "Light Sabre [censored]-Sucking Blues", what happened in the studio? (I worship that song)
4) When is "awesome" going to be over?
5) Could you tell, during the "Surfer Rosa" sessions that you were recording EXTREMELY influential music?
6) Can you hear me now?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: village]
      #11091590 - 07/07/07 06:01 AM

Sweet electric Jesus, these one-post wonders are annoying.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11092125 - 07/07/07 08:37 AM

Hey Steve - thanks for doing this.

One of my top 5 albums ever is Rid of Me. I still remember getting a copy in at my college radio station, putting on Rid of Me the song and having my ears [censored] blown off when the chorus kicked in. The songwriting is incredible and how you recorded PJ's guitar and Rob Ellis' drums really complements the material. I know that she wrote a lot of material before these sessions and put out a demos album of material later on with a couple of songs that didn't make it onto Rid of Me itself. I prefer the album versions of songs to the demos and I've always wondered, besides Reeling, what other songs did you record during those sessions that didn't make it onto the album?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11092154 - 07/07/07 08:48 AM

Obviously you seen alot of greats, but being a musician yourself did you ever wished of being a part of what they were making? Not in a technical sense more like a daydream way...and what band of course.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ill.eatyourEYES]
      #11092285 - 07/07/07 09:26 AM

k$?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: killsadie]
      #11092530 - 07/07/07 10:22 AM

1) Has Sklansky tapped Brandi?
2) Is SNG Butseks a bargain?
3) At what stakes does it become cooler to hang out with lame fishies who all play world of warcraft when you could be hanging out with your friends at a bar, or other drinking establishment.
4) Does hanging out with rockstars automatically get you unhandleable amounts of poon, even if they suck
5) Do guitar players have bigger peens than bassists
6) Do drummers always turn up late
7) Buttseks?
8) Have you ever been arrested, if so what for, if not then what would you suggest as a reasonable bribe
9) What is the coolest drug
10) When was your last fight, did you win

EDIT TO ADD: BBV would like to see you MSPaint skills, to prove you is fo real

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: killsadie]
      #11092567 - 07/07/07 10:31 AM

Quote:

k$?



Please explain. Thx.

Steve, again, thanks for answering my questions. You truly are a gentleman and a scholar.

1. If your cats could play poker, what kind of players would they be?

2. Have you ever fantasized of closing your studio and running and underground card room instead?

3. How much of a chip advantage do you think you would need in a heads-up, winner-take-all stud death-match vs. Phil Ivey?

Salut!

EDIT TO ADD: samsdmf, that's more like it! Molto Bene!

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: willie]
      #11092631 - 07/07/07 10:45 AM

Steve,

I recently moved to Chicago. I really like jazz/rock/fusion kind of guitar playing. John McLaughlin, Scott Henderson, Mike Landau, Joe Satriani, Mike Stern, Wayne Krantz and the like.

Any suggestions on bands to check out here in Chicago along those lines? Im getting tired of all the George Benson wannabes at Andys.

Edited by OrangeCat (07/07/07 10:58 AM)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11092736 - 07/07/07 11:04 AM

Hey Steve, I Remember seeing you in Shellac in Brisbane in a little club once called Manhattans upstairs in the Valley around 1992, That was one interesting gig and one the stood in my mind ever since... Im just curious about when you played that gig in Bris I noticed that you strapped your guitar around your waist and up picked your guitar and picked as fast as the majority of guitar players down pick and all with a metal pick, and that you got your precision feed back on certain notes while grooving to your song...
My Question is do you still play guitar like that? or was it a phase of life you where going thru at the time ? or was it just part of the show? or is it because the gave the music some sort of ascetic appeal to you and the audience..
I think I havent seen anyone with such an unique guitar playing style since..Cheers for the show!! So do you still play in a band?
and have you been back to Australia since 1992 for more gigs?and does your studio entirely work with analogue gear ?
and do you ever use digital recording gear ? and whats your take on Stav's compression technic in Mixing with your Mind?

Edited by chistyle (07/07/07 11:11 AM)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: chistyle]
      #11092898 - 07/07/07 11:32 AM

Man!

You've recorded Neurosis since Times of Grace. I'm in awe!

Some Neurosis/metal-related questions:

1. How is it working with Neurosis? Any amusing anecdotes?

2. How much work is it recording their often complex song arrangements? Listening to what's going on on most of their records one would assume it's a very time consuming process.

3. Can you recommend music in a similar vein to Neurosis? (excluding the obvious candidates such as Isis, Sparowes, Sum, Cult of Luna, etc.)

4. Do you listen to a lot of metal? If you are, what kind of metal are you generally listening to?

Thanks..


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ZeTurd]
      #11093120 - 07/07/07 12:07 PM

Who sold us out on metafilter? Dang, sorry about putting the tech question here, Laziness on my part.

Banging musicians huh?

well I won't ask you any specifics about your endevors in this area, Being the gentleman you are, but heres a pretty good perv question.

Who is the sexiest Female musician that you have ever worked with? and Does the fact that she's a musician add to her sexiness for you?

and

What are you wearing?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: killsadie]
      #11094144 - 07/07/07 02:03 PM

Quote:

k$?



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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: samsdmf]
      #11094404 - 07/07/07 02:28 PM

Quote:

1) Has Sklansky tapped Brandi?
2) Is SNG Butseks a bargain?



These are really the same question. DUCY?

Quote:

3) At what stakes does it become cooler to hang out with lame fishies who all play world of warcraft when you could be hanging out with your friends at a bar, or other drinking establishment.



You should be raking against fishes during non-drinking hours so you don't have to make choices like this. Also, maybe you have lame friends.

Quote:

4) Does hanging out with rockstars automatically get you unhandleable amounts of poon, even if they suck



Much, much poon, but believe me I can handle. You, maybe stick to drinking with your (possibly lame) friends.

Quote:

5) Do guitar players have bigger peens than bassists



No, but their boyfriends do.

Quote:

6) Do drummers always turn up late



No, drummers have girlfriends with cars. Guitarists and singers are always late because they're on the bus.

Quote:

7) Buttseks?



YGOS?

Quote:

8) Have you ever been arrested, if so what for, if not then what would you suggest as a reasonable bribe



Yes, all sorts, hundge.

Quote:

9) What is the coolest drug



I don't take recreational drugs any more, but other people on Ketamine are a riot, because they bend like Gumby, and whatever you do to them/make them do, they'll have no memory of it.

Quote:

10) When was your last fight, did you win



I was 15, and yes.

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EDIT TO ADD: BBV would like to see you MSPaint skills, to prove you is fo real



Do not know computers well, need MSPaint instruction. Will trade for Stars or FT.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11094758 - 07/07/07 03:05 PM

Hey Steve - thanks for doing this.

One of my top 5 albums ever is Rid of Me. I still remember getting a copy in at my college radio station, putting on Rid of Me the song and having my ears [censored] blown off when the chorus kicked in. The songwriting is incredible and how you recorded PJ's guitar and Rob Ellis' drums really complements the material. I know that she wrote a lot of material before these sessions and put out a demos album of material later on with a couple of songs that didn't make it onto Rid of Me itself. I prefer the album versions of songs to the demos and I've always wondered, besides Reeling, what other songs did you record during those sessions that didn't make it onto the album?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: skunkworks]
      #11094970 - 07/07/07 03:30 PM

Is there some kind of message posting etiquette? The bullies seem to be picking on me. Please let me know what I've done wrong, even if you have to be insulting...

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: village]
      #11095121 - 07/07/07 03:44 PM

who was the hottest musician you ever nailed?

freakiest?

give us the dirt!


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: village]
      #11096226 - 07/07/07 05:38 PM

Quote:

Is there some kind of message posting etiquette? The bullies seem to be picking on me. Please let me know what I've done wrong, even if you have to be insulting...



This thread was intended for the regular readers of this particular forum, which is a specific population of 2+2 readers who have wide-ranging interests, but are comrades in the poker/gambling culture. The thread leaked out into the general population, including music fan dorks who have no interest in this forum or site other than this rare moment when it happened to overlap into their world. The regular participants in this forum feel like you "civilians" are trespassing here, gawking, and are a nuisance.

Also:

Quote:

Top Albini questions of the moment:
1) How old were you the first time you heard Kraftwerk?



I was born in 1962, and I first heard Kraftwerk when Autobahn was a big hit, in 1974 or 75.

Quote:

2) Are you a fan of Gang of Four "Entertainment!"?



Since I have publicly expressed admiration and adulation for this band and album, oh, 1,000,000 times, I can only assume your question is an attempt to express to the rest of the reading public that you too have noticed that my guitar playing is indebted to Andy Gill's, and that Gang of Four records, especially Entertainment, are pretty good. Mission accomplished.

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3) After recording "Light Sabre [censored]-Sucking Blues", what happened in the studio? (I worship that song)



This is a profoundly stupid question. "What happened?" What do you think happened? We played it back in the studio and everybody said "yeah that's good, what's next." Did you think we started fires, painted our faces and sent up signal flares? This question is unanswerable, because it isn't actually an inquiry, it's a chance for a music dork to affirm his appreciation of McLusky, a cool band, and thereby himself cooling-up by associaton. Grow the hell up. Also, being the thirtieth reference to McLusky in this thread, it threatens to trivialize them in the way the rest of us hope to trivialize Urge Overkill.

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4) When is "awesome" going to be over?



When your ma ends her "Twofer Tuesday" both-holes special.

Quote:

5) Could you tell, during the "Surfer Rosa" sessions that you were recording EXTREMELY influential music?



As previously noted in about 10,000 different interviews, three documentary films and four books, I was not particularly a fan of the Pixies, though I respect them and harbor no animosity toward them in the least. I thought they were a fine band, but nothing special. I have already admitted in this thread that I have no clue with respect to what other people will like.

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6) Can you hear me now?



Ah, a knowing quotation from the current album of my band. How clever. Do you honestly not understand why the perceptive and sarcastic readership of this forum would be hostile?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: OrangeCat]
      #11096527 - 07/07/07 06:10 PM

Quote:

I really like jazz/rock/fusion kind of guitar playing. John McLaughlin, Scott Henderson, Mike Landau, Joe Satriani, Mike Stern, Wayne Krantz and the like.



About the only local guitarists I can recommend are Nels Cline and Jeff Parker, who are nothing like the shredders you mention. For actual shredding, keep your eyes peeled for touring appearances by Marnie Stern (pretty conventional but good) or Stinking Lizaveta, an instrumental band whose guitarist, Yanni, is incredible.

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Any suggestions on bands to check out here in Chicago along those lines? Im getting tired of all the George Benson wannabes at Andys.



There's a big abstract jazz/improv scene in Chicago (mentioned earlier in this thread), which gets pretty good coverage in the Reader. Check the listings, and if you've never seen one of these shows you could find it right up your alley.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11096545 - 07/07/07 06:11 PM

first, id like to apologize to the forum. yes, this will probably be my first and last post.

Steve, I recently heard the new Weedeater album, and first must say that you captured their live sound PERFECTLY. I felt a flashback from seeing them a few months ago.

Do you have any entertaining stories about them? I've heard stories along the lines of them getting an advance from Century Media(garbage label), and them spending it all on hard drugs, and booze, and a large party to consume them all.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11096566 - 07/07/07 06:14 PM

Over how many SnGs would you have to break even before you would just consider offing yourself? I think I'm getting close.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11096609 - 07/07/07 06:18 PM

Great thread and thanks again for doing this.

1) Talk Talk? Yes? No? Maybe so? Laughing Stock? Perfect? Bastard?
1a) Have I cooled myself up by mentioning them?

2) How true is what you wrote in the problem with music today? Are most of those pitfalls easier to avoid because of less expensive equipment? Just curious.

Thanks again.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11096864 - 07/07/07 06:41 PM

Thanks for answering. I won't bother you again.

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11096914 - 07/07/07 06:46 PM

I grew up in the 80s listening to Pussy Galore, Big Black and Sonic Youth and their ilk (the sst bands, the T&G bands, etc.). It seemed like all those bands were fellow travelers, there was a legitimate scene. It seemed like, post-Nirvana, a scene of that sort was no longer possible and a sort or "are you with us or are you with them?" mentality sprung up. You and SY had some public bad blood, as did many of the underground bands that comprised that American underground 80s network. As a participant in this small historical moment (now long dead), what happened?

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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: arbuthnot]
      #11097099 - 07/07/07 07:06 PM

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1. If your cats could play poker, what kind of players would they be?



Lame question.

Pip: Lesbian grinder
KP: Matusow
Mandela: Prone to card tearing, fits of cursing and other Asian lady outbursts.

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2. Have you ever fantasized of closing your studio and running and underground card room instead?



Not today, no. Yesterday about 12 times. Thursday, continuously. Wednesday 16 times. Continuously through the month of June. At least twice daily prior.

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3. How much of a chip advantage do you think you would need in a heads-up, winner-take-all stud death-match vs. Phil Ivey?



I'd need odds on the money and 10:1 in chips, assuming the ante was fixed. In a tournament format with rising antes, give him 5BB and me 15BB and I'll take my chances.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: NozeCandy]
      #11097311 - 07/07/07 07:31 PM

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Over how many SnGs would you have to break even before you would just consider offing yourself? I think I'm getting close.



Um, SnGs? I'll say... Two. Yeah, if I broke even after two SnGs I'd figure my work there was done.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: arsonaut]
      #11097364 - 07/07/07 07:37 PM

Thanks for your work with Shannon Wright, esp. Over the Sun (one of my top favs). Any thoughts on those sessions?

What are your thoughts about recording bass guitar? Direct/mic/both? Some have written that you like to bury it.

Thanks.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: mrkristopher]
      #11097435 - 07/07/07 07:47 PM

1.Whats your opinion on this statement that Bob Dylan made last year:

"I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past 20 years, really," ... "You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static."

2.Who do you think your going to vote for in the upcoming presidential election?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11097439 - 07/07/07 07:47 PM

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This thread was intended for the regular readers of this particular forum, which is a specific population of 2+2 readers who have wide-ranging interests, but are comrades in the poker/gambling culture. The thread leaked out into the general population, including music fan dorks who have no interest in this forum or site other than this rare moment when it happened to overlap into their world. The regular participants in this forum feel like you "civilians" are trespassing here, gawking, and are a nuisance.



So yeah, I've been following this thread and enjoying it, but as usual I couldn't be bothered to post. This brought me out though. Mr. Albini, I like your style.

Now that I'm here, I figure I might as well ask you a few questions.

1. For some reason, Shellac and Sonic Youth are inexplicably mixed up in my brain. Actually, I know why they're mixed up - the same woman introduced them to me. After an unhealthy obsession with her, I currently have an unhealthy obsession with Sonic Youth. I do hope Shellac won't be next. But uhm, I'm rambling - better think of a question: did you ever work with Sonic Youth in any capacity?

2. Over/under on when CarlosChadha kills himself for being stupid enough to take that $100 bet?

3. How many 5 year olds?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Greg P]
      #11097531 - 07/07/07 07:57 PM

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1) Talk Talk? Yes? No? Maybe so? Laughing Stock? Perfect? Bastard?



Though highly-regarded in recording circles, I've always thought the Talk Talk records were exercises in making the simple complicated, and like turning left three times instead of turning right, they seem ridiculous and don't really hold my interest.

I admit to having my palate dirtied by having first heard the horrible new-wavy pop MkI version of the band, and also having heard the equally-retarded punk version of the band (named the Reaction) doing the song "Talk Talk," so I couldn't really give the band a fair hearing.

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1a) Have I cooled myself up by mentioning them?



In the eyes of the record store guy, yes, of course. Throw in a reference to the High Llamas and you'll hit a home run.

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2) How true is what you wrote in the problem with music today? Are most of those pitfalls easier to avoid because of less expensive equipment? Just curious.



It is certainly possible to avoid the mainstream industry altogether, but that would have been my advice 15 years ago as well. It remains that if you get involved with the mainstream music business, even today, you're screwed.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: felix240]
      #11097799 - 07/07/07 08:25 PM

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I grew up in the 80s listening to Pussy Galore, Big Black and Sonic Youth and their ilk (the sst bands, the T&G bands, etc.). It seemed like all those bands were fellow travelers, there was a legitimate scene. It seemed like, post-Nirvana, a scene of that sort was no longer possible and a sort or "are you with us or are you with them?" mentality sprung up. You and SY had some public bad blood, as did many of the underground bands that comprised that American underground 80s network. As a participant in this small historical moment (now long dead), what happened?



You have summarized events pretty nicely. What happened was the overt polarization of the underground into two camps, those who thought they could follow in the footsteps of Sonic Youth and (more importantly) Nirvana, and breach the barricades of popular culture, and those who thought such aspirations were not just unlikely but ill-advised. Such mainstream gamesmanship was unprofitable, and by removing bands and resources from the underground was destructive to the underground culture, which had been flourishing, and usually led to the demise of the bands who took their shot.

An era of competitiveness ensued, with bands, clubs and labels trying hard to get noticed by the big players in the conventional old-school music business, and a veneer of professionalism interceded between people who had previously dealt with each other as real people.

The whole thing creeped me out and destroyed a lot of bands. That there were bands in the scene urging other bands on in this rat race seemed almost treasonous.

That said, I have always gotten along with Sonic Youth, and I consider them friends despite our differences in the culture wars, and they have been specifically kind to me and my bands over the years.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: dhattis333]
      #11097876 - 07/07/07 08:34 PM

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1.Whats your opinion on this statement that Bob Dylan made last year:

"I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past 20 years, really," ... "You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static."



Given that Bob probably isn't combing the mom-and-pop stores for independent releases, I can't really fault his observation. And it's a nice turn of phrase.

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2.Who do you think your going to vote for in the upcoming presidential election?



Anything the Democrats run out there, I'll vote for it. Broken piece of elk antler, chalkboard eraser, whatever.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Jigsaws]
      #11098079 - 07/07/07 08:54 PM

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did you ever work with Sonic Youth in any capacity?



In 1982 or so, they couldn't get a gig in Chicago, so I booked them as an independent promoter, and did a couple more gigs for them in the next couple of years. They regularly crashed at my place when in Chicago during the early 80s. My bands have played shows with them over the years, but that's about it. I've never recorded them.

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2. Over/under on when CarlosChadha kills himself for being stupid enough to take that $100 bet?



It's a hundred bucks. If it gets annoying, he might just call it quits and pay off -- it's the equivalent of 1.25 BB in his usual game. Not suicide-worthy.

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3. How many 5 year olds?



Ha! My favorite prop! I think I could take a couple dozen at least. You kill a couple in front of their friends and they'll run away crying like little kids. Because they're little kids. Five-year-olds run away crying over nothing all the time anyway. I don't think anybody willing to kill a couple of five-year-olds to prove a point would have anything to fear.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: ZeTurd]
      #11100086 - 07/08/07 12:33 AM

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How is it working with Neurosis? How much work is it recording their often complex song arrangements? Listening to what's going on on most of their records one would assume it's a very time consuming process.



Not particularly. Neurosis are pretty meticulous in having their act together before they come into the studio, and Noah (their keyboard/electronics guy) has a studio where they work on pre-production demos in detail.

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3. Can you recommend music in a similar vein to Neurosis? (excluding the obvious candidates such as Isis, Sparowes, Sum, Cult of Luna, etc.)



You may already be familiar with them, but obvious suggestions would be Harvey Milk, Melvins, Pelican, Zeni Geva, Oxbow, Mono, Om, Sunn0))) and Dazzling Killmen. You might also enjoy the power electronics/noise music like Whitehouse, Japanese noise guitarist Keiji Haino, and early material from Swans and Killing Joke.

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4. Do you listen to a lot of metal? If you are, what kind of metal are you generally listening to?



My standard answer for this is that I listen to the sort of metal that appeals to non-metal guys like me. The bands mentioned above, Motorhead, High on Fire, and the occasional black metal classic from Burzum, Immortal and the like.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11102732 - 07/08/07 07:15 AM

Hey Steve,

I once read the tour diary you wrote during Big Black, and one thing that kinda stuck with me and made me smile was something you said about the Wipers. Something along the lines of Greg Sage's sound being so simple and yet so mindblowing-ly effective, it made you think twice about any kind of bells and whistles approach. With that example of just brilliance and raw power, and the other extreme of brilliance but with the bells and whistles added of say Sonic Youth, who have gone through their share of effects pedals and other crazy complications to their sound so to speak... this is a longwinded way of asking, but are there any other bands that go for that more complicated approach (without sounding like Sonic Youth), using various pedals or loopers or whatever tech in an effective way (as a live band) that you've been wow'ed by, rather than thought 'what the gay are you doing here'?

Also, due to some other thing you said in regards to some awful NY band I forget the name of, I bought the My Dad Is Dead album 'The Taller You Are..The Shorter You Get'. I have to thank you for that, because I spent a good year listening to it and find something new to love about it almost every time I put it on.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11103217 - 07/08/07 09:26 AM

I got one more:

You produced some interesting prose for Forced Exposure magazine back in the 80s, and your literate answers here betray some kinda writerly (or writer-like) attention to detail on a sentence by sentence basis (over and above (it seems to me) mere utilitarian conveyance of info).

So: Did this precision grow out of writing about recording? Did the need for precision in technical writing become a "style"?
And: Do you have any literary ambitions (even compiling a collection of old stuff for publication)?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: sydb]
      #11104345 - 07/08/07 12:39 PM

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...are there any other bands that go for that more complicated approach (without sounding like Sonic Youth), using various pedals or loopers or whatever tech in an effective way (as a live band) that you've been wow'ed by, rather than thought 'what the gay are you doing here'?



It takes a diligent approach to turn your sound over to a bunch of pedals and not have it sound retarded. You basically have to rebuild your playing vocabulary around the effects. Very few bands can pull this off, but Chrome, Head of David and the Kiwi band High Dependency Unit (HDU) come to mind immediately. All great.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11105310 - 07/08/07 02:20 PM

hey,

you mentioned philip glass and gorecki as some of your favorite composers - what in particular do you enjoy most by them?

this thread officially wins bbv - except for all the new posters asking their music nerd questions


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11105841 - 07/08/07 03:08 PM

Steve Albini. Your awesome. If you could work with any musician dead or alive who would it be?

Whats your favorite record?


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: playwithfire233]
      #11106802 - 07/08/07 04:29 PM

Why don't you nerds quit complaining about people like me coming here to register just to post one time.

My question is: why does monkey trick sound so different from the rest of Goat?

Edited by doyoucompute (07/08/07 04:30 PM)


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Triumph36]
      #11107895 - 07/08/07 06:01 PM

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hey,

you mentioned philip glass and gorecki as some of your favorite composers - what in particular do you enjoy most by them?



Gorecki for me is always personified by Op36 Symphony of Eleven Sorrowful Songs, but I heard a radio broadcast of Op44 Miserere which was totally spellbinding, and I have it on my to-get list. Glass, I like the Tomato volume of Dances 1-3 and I have a fantastic Italian boxed-set version of Einstein on the Beach which is one of the best vinyl pressings of his music I've heard. I'll admit to not being too into his later operas, but his film-and-music collaborations have been amazing.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: doyoucompute]
      #11107981 - 07/08/07 06:11 PM

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Why don't you nerds quit complaining about people like me coming here to register just to post one time.

My question is: why does monkey trick sound so different from the rest of Goat?



Well, it sounds different because the snare drum is damped and the room ambience is closer. Also, you're a little prick.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: doyoucompute]
      #11108224 - 07/08/07 06:35 PM

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Why don't you nerds quit complaining about people like me coming here to register just to post one time.



This is funny.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11108571 - 07/08/07 07:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:

hey,

you mentioned philip glass and gorecki as some of your favorite composers - what in particular do you enjoy most by them?



Gorecki for me is always personified by Op36 Symphony of Eleven Sorrowful Songs, but I heard a radio broadcast of Op44 Miserere which was totally spellbinding, and I have it on my to-get list. Glass, I like the Tomato volume of Dances 1-3 and I have a fantastic Italian boxed-set version of Einstein on the Beach which is one of the best vinyl pressings of his music I've heard. I'll admit to not being too into his later operas, but his film-and-music collaborations have been amazing.




Miserere is phenomenal - I honestly think it is better than Sorrowful Songs, and I am not ever a fan of a capella work in any genre.

As for Glass, I agree there too - have you heard many of the 'new' recordings of his - i.e. the Nonesuch re-recording of Einstein on the Beach? They seem to take a lot of the life out of them in favor of a fuller, more balanced sound - all the tinny Farfisa organs seem to be gone, and the most interesting elements are shoved to the background. Since you actually know something about these things, I'm curious what you think of the older, rawer sounding Glass - and also whether it's honestly better on vinyl, since I'm not a vinyl guy at all.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Triumph36]
      #11108715 - 07/08/07 07:19 PM

is it true thaty kurt cobain didnt really exist and it just an elaborate consipracy by the far right to get them to kill them selves so the right could become more powerful?

cos im not sure i believe this, but ive heard it from pretty reliable sources


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: Triumph36]
      #11108767 - 07/08/07 07:24 PM

hi electrical,

let's say if i think im a pretty good producer, programmer and sound designer (for a 26 year old) .. how would i be best to go about finding management or someone to help me obtain and negotiate professional work.

thanks for your time.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: electrical]
      #11108973 - 07/08/07 07:46 PM

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Well, it sounds different because the snare drum is damped and the room ambience is closer. Also, you're a little prick.




Sorry, I didn't mean to be so rude. It was just annoying to me that everyone was complaining about that.

Was that a choice made beforehand for that song or did it happen while the session was happening? Damn great song, probably my favorite.


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Re: Ask a music scene micro celebrity [Re: pivot]
      #11109052 - 07/08/07 07:54 PM

G7 Welcoming Committee in Canada recently decided to stop pressing music onto a