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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: Ship Ship McGipp]
      #10979908 - 06/28/07 06:49 PM

Quote:

what is the best way to learn chess fast and get prettty good at it, assuming you have very little prior experience, know nothing techincally, but pick stuff up extraordinarily fast




get lessons , ldo


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: Reef]
      #10980078 - 06/28/07 07:04 PM

curtains,

"Despite that ok I'd probably win starting with 2 minutes on my clock, but it'd be a lot closer."

Just to clarify, you are saying 2 minute clock vs 60 min AND down a rook, right?


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: csuf_gambl0o0r]
      #10980570 - 06/28/07 07:41 PM

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speaking of chess and grandmasters, check this gangsta shiet out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZmpsl3jI0




nh


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: citanul]
      #10980656 - 06/28/07 07:48 PM

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my impulse is that no adequately strong (probably any random 2200+ish but maybe any random IM+ is what's necessary. but hey, i'd personally doubt that an expert (2000+) would lose to a champion given a knight) player would ever lose to the world champion if given a knight, and probably 2 pawns would be enough as well.





As I mentioned above, this has already been tested (with a measly 4 game sample size ;-)) in the Kasparov-Chapman charity match a few years back. Chapman was a bit under 2200 and had two pawn odds in each game. Kasparov won 2.5-1.5.


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Re: Durrrr in process of losing 60k in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: Fishfood4you]
      #10980839 - 06/28/07 08:04 PM

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Totally off topic but has anyone heard about a chess game between A known poker player that i think was Ram Vaswani and a well known Grand Master. The rumor i heard was they bet 100,000 and ram got 10-1. The rest of the rumor was that ram used an ear piece linked to a computer that had not lost ever in simulation. Obviously ram whips the GM and questions about how its possible for a poker player to beat a GM. Well i heard they caught known poker player with the ear piece and found out what happened. Pretty crazy if true. Any real info on if this actually occured and the actual players involved would be great! Again i have no actual knowledge if this is true just a rumor i heard




Complete and utter rubbish.


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: smilingbill]
      #10980887 - 06/28/07 08:09 PM

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unless durrr is a club level player (which would have been mentioned i guess) this is very very +EV for raptorrrrr




yeah does he even have a rating?


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: xxThe_Lebowskixx]
      #10981026 - 06/28/07 08:21 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

you guys are under estimating the different ways a GM could play to prevent you from simply trading pieces, specifically not using an opening you are familiar with like


e4 e5
nf3 nc6
bc4 nf6




Anybody that doesn't know that opening can't call themselves a competent player. Which side does the GM have in that sequence?


You do make a good point though KKF, one I alluded to earlier, in that the GM would have a harder time compromising the weaker player without a knight as oppopsed to without a rook.




no, i meant the GM wouldnt be playing a simple opening like that which would allow him to just trade pieces. d4 d5 is much harder to play than e5 e4 imho.

i think a rook is more valuable than a knight, not that it matters much because durrr had zero chance.




Ah I see, misread your post. Yeah, you're absolutely right.


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Re: Durrrr in process of losing 60k in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: Savant]
      #10981045 - 06/28/07 08:22 PM

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Quote:

Totally off topic but has anyone heard about a chess game between A known poker player that i think was Ram Vaswani and a well known Grand Master. The rumor i heard was they bet 100,000 and ram got 10-1. The rest of the rumor was that ram used an ear piece linked to a computer that had not lost ever in simulation. Obviously ram whips the GM and questions about how its possible for a poker player to beat a GM. Well i heard they caught known poker player with the ear piece and found out what happened. Pretty crazy if true. Any real info on if this actually occured and the actual players involved would be great! Again i have no actual knowledge if this is true just a rumor i heard




Complete and utter rubbish.




I think the GM would figure it out very very quickly.


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: quirkasaurus]
      #10981063 - 06/28/07 08:24 PM

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Reading through these posts, it's amazing to me how people
can be so unappreciative of experts who have worked for
years to develop their skills. If you've heard of Johnny
Morton, the NFL wide receiver, who tried to fight in the
UFL after training in martial arts for 2 months... He
got knocked out in under 2 minutes.

Imagine if the prop bet was basketball; a chess grandmaster
is the chess equivalent of an NBA player ( or maybe even
all-star ) at the worst. The average "good" chess player,
( ie less than 1700 rating ) would be analogous to a
weekend gym rat who loves basketball.

Would anyone in their right mind bet on the gym rat no
matter HOW good the odds ? ( 10 point handicap to 20,
NBA player can only shoot from 3 point land... etc... )

Probably not... unless the NBA player had to play in
showshoes, or blind-folded, or something utterly
ridiculous...

Or imagine the gym rat vs. an NFL player, one-on-one,
a la those old American Gladiator events. How often
did the average Joe beat the Gladiator ???

My point is: non-experts tend to completely trivialize
the skills of experts in their field to their own
detriment; especially in games of skill or athletic
endeavors.




Sorry breaux but this is the worst analogy ever. It's not the NBA player playing with a point handicap, it's him playing without an arm.


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: Chump Change]
      #10981316 - 06/28/07 08:44 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Reading through these posts, it's amazing to me how people
can be so unappreciative of experts who have worked for
years to develop their skills. ...




Sorry breaux but this is the worst analogy ever. It's not the NBA player playing with a point handicap, it's him playing without an arm.




The point isn't the mechanics of the analogy, it's the contention that average people underestimate the ability of experts, which I agree with.

Most weekend players (in any sport/competition) simply don't realize how much they don't know and see professionals as better versions of themselves, e.g. weekend basketball player sees NBA pros as stronger/faster/more accurate versions of themselves when in reality, there's probably another complete level the pros are operating on that the amateur doesn't even see.


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