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durron597
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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: ipp147]
      #10977529 - 06/28/07 04:09 PM

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what was in it for curtains?




raptor said a 10% freeroll if he one - so $5k or whatever.




im actually surprised he wouldn't try to get more action (with risk) on himself


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Masquerade
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Re: Durrrr in process of losing 60k in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: Reef]
      #10977570 - 06/28/07 04:12 PM

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I used to be a strong club level player (1700ish USCF).. I put my chess program on highest GM setting and down a knight. With 5 or 10 minute time I only eked out a few draws and lost most of them.




I believe you'd need to be ~2000 USCF to be +EV playing a GM at knight odds. A 2200 USCF player should be winning most games.


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BustoPro
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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: durron597]
      #10977654 - 06/28/07 04:17 PM

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what was in it for curtains?




raptor said a 10% freeroll if he one - so $5k or whatever.




im actually surprised he wouldn't try to get more action (with risk) on himself




Three letters... begins with "N"...


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: pete fabrizio]
      #10977668 - 06/28/07 04:18 PM

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this is why chess is a terrible game to handicap -- a single pawn advantage would be enough to make any competitive player a favorite against the top gm's in the world.




This is so wrong, a random GM with pawn and move would be the underdog against a world champion at the top of his game. IM Boinn lost to Kasparov in a simul, while not pawn and move, one would think that facing 39 other players at the same time would be an equalizer.... not...


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: BustoPro]
      #10977712 - 06/28/07 04:21 PM

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edit: oops didn't see it was done. And I'm pretty sure I could beat an IM down a knight. Definitely if he's down a rook. And I'm not very good.




If you're truly "not very good", how can you have any idea what it takes to beat somebody who is very, very good, and therefore how would you know what handicap is fair? Or did you not bother reading the rest of the thread, and notice that durrrr lost a bit of money because he thought the same thing?




I am a huge fav. against Durrr. I am extremely good at chess compared to the average nonstudying player and better than a lot of players who have been playing and studying for a while. Still nowhere near someone like Curtains though.


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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: Apathy]
      #10977740 - 06/28/07 04:22 PM

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if he was a better prop better he could have likely gotten himself a 2 hour clock and Curtains a 5 min clock.



I don't think it would help that much. Curtains can think while he's not on move. That helps a ton, if he was a GREAT prop better he's take a 2 hour clock but make Curtains stand behind a "CURTAIN" (hahaha..) when not on move...
But actually that would not help tons either, he's still be able to review the game blindfolded...


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BustoPro
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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: JaBlue]
      #10977769 - 06/28/07 04:23 PM

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edit: oops didn't see it was done. And I'm pretty sure I could beat an IM down a knight. Definitely if he's down a rook. And I'm not very good.




If you're truly "not very good", how can you have any idea what it takes to beat somebody who is very, very good, and therefore how would you know what handicap is fair? Or did you not bother reading the rest of the thread, and notice that durrrr lost a bit of money because he thought the same thing?




I am a huge fav. against Durrr. I am extremely good at chess compared to the average nonstudying player and better than a lot of players who have been playing and studying for a while. Still nowhere near someone like Curtains though.




In other words, you ARE very good. But not an expert. Whatever, I guess.


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BustoPro
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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: StregaChess]
      #10977811 - 06/28/07 04:26 PM

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if he was a better prop better he could have likely gotten himself a 2 hour clock and Curtains a 5 min clock.



I don't think it would help that much. Curtains can think while he's not on move. That helps a ton, if he was a GREAT prop better he's take a 2 hour clock but make Curtains stand behind a "CURTAIN" (hahaha..) when not on move...
But actually that would not help tons either, he's still be able to review the game blindfolded...




How about this... blindfolded, and he isn't told durrr's move unless it involves a capture.


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SuitedSixes
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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: raptor517]
      #10977890 - 06/28/07 04:31 PM

Raptor,

Please buy one of these with your winnings, thankyewveddymuch

Sixes



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Buy two and I'll deliver in person.


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blah_blah
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Re: Durrr in process of losing 60k+ in a chess bet.. good month for ra [Re: Victor]
      #10977925 - 06/28/07 04:32 PM

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"I play PA in HU LO8 and only get top 33% hands: I probably am a loser."

ok, ive never played this game and will take this bet any day.




I am just trying to illustrate the point that structural issues within a game (e.g., hands running much closer together as they do in LO8 compared to LHE) influence how big a seemingly small handicap actually is.


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