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dboy23
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BR Management and You (NLTRN)
      #10969932 - 06/28/07 03:43 AM

dboy:*Hey Jimmy, what are you up to?*
Little Jimmy:*Playing HU sngs LDO.*
d:*Whoa there Jimmy, thats a $33+$1.50*
lj:*Yeah I know can beat this level!*
d:*That's great Jimmy, but you're BR is only $53.72*
lj:*Omg hacker. Well what level should I play?*
d:*Let's take a look at some options.*

So you want to build a roll playing HU sngs?

BR management is absolutely key. Consider using one of the following BR management rulesets.

Option #1

Best Option if:
You can't stand or would prefer not to have to move down levels.
You like to have a very padded roll to feel comfortable playing.
Losing a decent portion of your BR tilts you.
You are still learning how to own HUSNGs and you aren't quite comfortable playing them yet.

BR:$30 - $99
Play $2s
BR:$100 - $199
Play $5s
BR:$200 - $399
Play $10s
BR:$400 - $599
Play $20s
BR:$600 - $999
Play $30s
BR:$1000 - $2499
Play $50s
BR:$2500+
Play $100s


Option #2

Best Option if:
You are fine with having to move down.
You want to move up the ranks semi-quickly.

BR:$20 - $49
Play $2s
BR:$50 - $99
Play $5s
BR:$100 - $199
Play $10s
BR:$200 - $299
Play $20s
BR:$300 - $499
Play $30s
BR:$500 - $999
Play $50s
BR:$1000+
Play $100s


Option #3

Best Option if
You are comfortable playing and adjusting to any stakes and player.
You are or have good reason to believe you are a solid winner. (Think 63%+ winrate here)
You have very minimal tilt issues.
You want to take on a bit more risk and build a roll quickly.
You are ok with having to redeposit if you bust early on.

BR:$10 - $24
Play $2s
BR:$25 - $49
Play $5s
BR:$50 - $99
Play $10s
BR:$100 - $149
Play $20s
BR:$150 - $249
Play $30s
BR:$250 - $499
Play $50s
BR:$500+
Play $100s

Beware of option 3. A 15 buyin downswing (although rare) will knock you down through 3 levels. But something else to consider is that if you believe yourself to be +EV at the 100s, then it might be +EV to sacrifice a little risk of ruin in order to get up to that level. There is an opportunity cost of sticking around at the lower levels for a long time.

So that is something to think about. I like option 2 and think it is a nice balance. I have used option 2 to build a roll from the 5s up to the 50s twice with no problems. Option 3 definitely has some gamble in it, but the reward to the +EV player is definitely worth the risk. That said, if you can't redeposit you should not consider option 3.

Option 1 is more for helping a player who is more prone to tilt. It causes less dramatic BR swings and should keep you more cool in your sessions. It will definitely take longer to reach the higher buyin games, but if you are highly prone to tilt it may be the best option for you.


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dboy23
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: dboy23]
      #10969937 - 06/28/07 03:44 AM

o rly?

tl;dr


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bozzer
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: dboy23]
      #10971040 - 06/28/07 07:17 AM

thanks very much for the post.

If I start playing HUSNGs I'll certainly be following this advice (probably a mixture of option 1 while i get used to them then option two).

I'll probably wait for cwar's SNG guide first...

Could you explain briefly how you got the numbers? did you use a kelly criterion type thing for option 3?


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bozzer
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: bozzer]
      #10971046 - 06/28/07 07:18 AM

oh, and if there was a sticky, obviously this should be in it!

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frede89
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: bozzer]
      #10971672 - 06/28/07 09:08 AM

I manage my BR this way:

BR: Limit:
$ 0- 5+0,25
$ 100- 10+0,5
$ 420- 20+1
$ 500- 22+1
$ 700- 30+1,5
$ 850- 33+1,5
$ 1400- 50+2,5
$ 1700- 55+2,5


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Kharlog
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: frede89]
      #10972185 - 06/28/07 10:15 AM

My way: $5k -> $50, $10k -> $100. Maybe I'm bankroll nit?

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WHITEBOYAEHS
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: Kharlog]
      #10972684 - 06/28/07 11:04 AM

what about nl cash??

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sdfsdf
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: WHITEBOYAEHS]
      #10972836 - 06/28/07 11:16 AM

what stakes do you play and how many games have you played lifetime

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WHITEBOYAEHS
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: sdfsdf]
      #10973082 - 06/28/07 11:37 AM

im a nl 50 6max reg....my roll is about ~1.9-2k and i was just wondering when its safe to play nl 100 HU cause ive always wanted to try it

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Kharlog
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Re: BR Management and You (NLTRN) [Re: WHITEBOYAEHS]
      #10973311 - 06/28/07 11:55 AM

You can take a shot to $100 but be prepared to drop back to $50 if things don't go well.

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