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Turbofly
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1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call
      #10020141 - 04/19/07 12:27 AM

1K HU SnG game on Boss. Villain is nitTISH and he's a good cashplayer, who frequents NL1K to 5K. He is, like me, Danish and we know who each others nick, but we haven't played much together. He is a fancy LAG, as am i, and we're both aware of us both knowing it. I write about HU sng's in a danish pokermagazine and i think he's looked at my articles, hence the odd choices.

15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:15:41 AM
Heads up $1000 NL (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: HeKissedMe (1925.00)
Seat 2: nitTISh (2075.00)
HeKissedMe post SB 15.00
nitTISh post BB 30.00
** Deal **
HeKissedMe [5 , 7 ]

*** Bet Round 1 ***
HeKissedMe Raise to 90.00
nitTISh Call 90.00

*** Flop(Board): *** : [J , 5 , A ]

*** Bet Round 2 ***
nitTISh Check
HeKissedMe Bet 120.00
nitTISh Raise to 300.00
HeKissedMe Call 300.00

*** Turn(Board): *** : J

*** Bet Round 3 ***
nitTISh Bet 420.00
HeKissedMe Call 420.00

*** River(Board): *** : K

*** Bet Round 4 ***
nitTISh All-in 1265.00
HeKissedMe All-in 1115.00

What's better on turn: Shoving or calling and shove river if checked to? (if we rule out folding, which is the std. choice, also for me but not this time)

And what about river, i know it looks [censored], but can anyone see the logic?


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cwar
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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: Turbofly]
      #10020878 - 04/19/07 01:16 AM

I kind of get it, but not enough to really give advice. Maybe once Im sober again.

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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: Turbofly]
      #10020929 - 04/19/07 01:20 AM

Link to articles?

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ChicagoRy
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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: cwar]
      #10020949 - 04/19/07 01:22 AM

Not much of a solid idea of what is going on. Maybe with more background about both players, your thoughts on the hand or your magazine articles I could attempt to give an opinion on that river call.

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Turbofly
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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: cwar]
      #10020955 - 04/19/07 01:23 AM

It's in Danish, still wanna see?

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snorer
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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: Turbofly]
      #10020985 - 04/19/07 01:25 AM

i like the approach, but given everything i think you're gonna look at KT and such an awful lot here...

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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: Turbofly]
      #10021035 - 04/19/07 01:29 AM

Quote:

It's in Danish, still wanna see?




Is there a way to translate it online?



I can't give a specific hand here like snorer, but if with that king coming on the river it looks like a bail for sure. His bluffing/semi bluffing range here really improves with that card IMO. But I dunno, that's about all I got, it looked like he semi-overplayed the hand relative to the board up until now, if your read is that strong wouldn't the turn shove be a better option?


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Turbofly
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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: ChicagoRy]
      #10021131 - 04/19/07 01:38 AM

Quote:

Not much of a solid idea of what is going on. Maybe with more background about both players, your thoughts on the hand or your magazine articles I could attempt to give an opinion on that river call.




Well, what i think he knows about me: My PF range is big. I CB most of the times, like 4/5 or something. On flop, he probably think i will go to showdown with any A, but turn changes it. I can semibluff turn AI with a draw (which is why i chose calling, as it seemed stronger imo)

My thoughts about him (which is based on posts in another forum mainly): He can easily CR bluff flop and also bluff in general if the right spot occurs. I don't think he'll bet both turn and river with only A. I don't know whether he'll call a turn shove with an A. He likes semibluffing, but maybe it's better to CC flop and CR turn with a flushdraw because of the A on flop and i think that he might think that value will be hard to get if he hits turn after CR (since this is a big part of his range with flop CR). I don't know how he'll play a naked J or 5 on flop. He will lead or CR a set or 2 pair on flop.

It's only guessing, and that's what makes HU play so hard to analyze for others


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WutRUTryin2Hit
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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: snorer]
      #10021134 - 04/19/07 01:38 AM

Quote:

1K HU SnG game on Boss. Villain is nitTISH and he's a good cashplayer, who frequents NL1K to 5K. He is, like me, Danish and we know who each others nick, but we haven't played much together. He is a fancy LAG, as am i, and we're both aware of us both knowing it. I write about HU sng's in a danish pokermagazine and i think he's looked at my articles, hence the odd choices.

15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:15:41 AM
Heads up $1000 NL (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: HeKissedMe (1925.00)
Seat 2: nitTISh (2075.00)
HeKissedMe post SB 15.00
nitTISh post BB 30.00
** Deal **
HeKissedMe [5 , 7 ]

*** Bet Round 1 ***
HeKissedMe Raise to 90.00
nitTISh Call 90.00

*** Flop(Board): *** : [J , 5 , A ]

*** Bet Round 2 ***
nitTISh Check
HeKissedMe Bet 120.00
nitTISh Raise to 300.00
HeKissedMe Call 300.00

*** Turn(Board): *** : J

*** Bet Round 3 ***
nitTISh Bet 420.00
HeKissedMe Call 420.00

*** River(Board): *** : K

*** Bet Round 4 ***
nitTISh All-in 1265.00
HeKissedMe All-in 1115.00

What's better on turn: Shoving or calling and shove river if checked to? (if we rule out folding, which is the std. choice, also for me but not this time)

And what about river, i know it looks [censored], but can anyone see the logic?




I don't get it, but I assume it's based on history and reads, as you said. I sort of do see your logic I guess that he's going to check-call with an ace on that river or whatever.. basically you are thinking that whatever he's representing on the flop is not consistent with his play on the turn and river, he'd slow down with a real hand? You mean that?

The thing I don't get is, you are asking whether you should shove turn or shove river if checked to... I don't get this, I don't see what better hands you're folding out if you shove the river. I guess KQ and KT? I mean, if he has air, you win, and if he has an ace, his flop and turn play sure make it look like he likes it.

I think this is an impossible hand for most people to comment on without at least knowing what range you are putting him on here, and how come, just cause it's not a very typical hand. I don't like it personally, but with a lot of backstory I could maybe learn to appreciate it.


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Turbofly
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Re: 1K SnG, plain spew or marginal call [Re: Turbofly]
      #10021263 - 04/19/07 01:49 AM

Links (maybe against houserules, but since it's a danish forum, not really dangerous for 2+2):

http://www.pokernet.dk/MPN/2007/Februar/

http://www.pokernet.dk/MPN/2007/Marts/

http://www.pokernet.dk/MPN/2007/Marts/

My articles is in the back of each magazine. I dunno anything about online translations.


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