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JuntMonkey
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IGN Top 100
      #13049410 - 11/20/07 06:01 PM

I look forward to IGN's Top 100 lists every couple of years, and to my pleasant surprise the new one just started:

http://top100.ign.com/2007/index.html

Nothing earth-shattering yet.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13049697 - 11/20/07 06:19 PM

let me know when you get to #1

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jam]
      #13050475 - 11/20/07 07:17 PM

they should get a rss feed for this

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JMa]
      #13050839 - 11/20/07 07:41 PM

Pilotwings is the only one of 100-91 that I've played more than a lit bit. Glad to see it. Underrated game, especially considering the time it came out.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13053080 - 11/20/07 10:26 PM

of 100-81, the only games i have played are

96. waverace64
95. bionic commando
87. advance wars
86. perfect dark
81. space invaders
of the ones i've listed, advance wars and perfect dark were my favs.

ign does this list every year. does the list change much or is it just updated to include new games?


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chris Daddy Cool]
      #13054473 - 11/20/07 11:52 PM

Archon's a decent game-not a top 100 game though

Silent Hill 2 was excellent, one of the best stories I've ever seen

Bionic Commando's a good game, never bought into the hype though

I wish I played Advance Wars more. I don't know where it is though.

Perfect Dark is probably too low.

Space Invaders feels like a token game on the list. "You're an old game that was okay? SUPER!"


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chris Daddy Cool]
      #13054731 - 11/21/07 12:10 AM

Quote:

ign does this list every year. does the list change much or is it just updated to include new games?




Every 2 years. The lists change a decent amount. They explain in the intro that it's 2 more years of new games, plus more perspective on older games, plus some different people ranking them, plus tastes just change.

Past lists are here:

http://top100.ign.com/2003/
http://top100.ign.com/2005/

The 2004 and 2006 URLs have Readers' Choice lists, which are horrendous.

The comments at the bottom of the current list put me on serious tilt. One guy said the top 5 games "in history" are Goldeneye, the Hitman "saga", the Splinter Cell "saga", the Super Mario "saga", and the Tekken "saga".


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13057773 - 11/21/07 06:10 AM

I still see Ocarina and the original Mario Bros getting 1 and 2.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13057959 - 11/21/07 06:42 AM

Quake II is #98?? THIS IS A TRAVISHAMOCKERY!!

I suppose it wouldn't be as high as Quake simply given that it wasn't the first Quake, even though its engine, single-player campaign, and multiplayer were all vastly better than Quake I and vastly better than any other game at the time. Half-Life (built on the Q2 engine) didn't come around for another year.

Plus, Quake II was probably the last disc you could put into a CD player and [censored] rock out to. Awesome soundtrack.

Mafia is a pretty solid choice at #85, forgot how much fun that game was.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13057976 - 11/21/07 06:46 AM

These lists suck, IGN needs to remove their collective lips from Nintendo's ballsack.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Corpsebean]
      #13059181 - 11/21/07 10:03 AM

Err what would you have as number one then?

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13060008 - 11/21/07 11:24 AM

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the Splinter Cell "saga", the Super Mario "saga", and the Tekken "saga".




Apparently you just don't understand how brilliant adaptations of Tom Clancy works in video game form, the constant interplay between the Mario, his angst ridden brother Luigi, their maiden Princess, and and the evil tyrant, Bowser (and sometimes his children), and, ummm...a fighting tournament like Tekken...constitute Milton like sagas.

The Iliad and the Odyssey? WTF, plz. Odysseus and Agamemnon don't have [censored] on the character depth Namco developed in Yoshimitsu and Paul Phoenix. Tekken "saga" ftw


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: DVaut1]
      #13060169 - 11/21/07 11:36 AM

I wish Mario had enough characters to make a Godfather parody.

Luigi = fredo imo.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chilltown]
      #13061805 - 11/21/07 01:34 PM

Quote:

I still see Ocarina and the original Mario Bros getting 1 and 2.




whoa thanks for reminding me to finish ocarina of time


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: grando]
      #13069136 - 11/21/07 11:04 PM

wow i forgot how awesome Syndicate was/is, plus I'm gunna search everywhere for DOTT.

Also gotta get one of these:



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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack of Arcades]
      #13070144 - 11/22/07 12:55 AM

Quote:

I wish Mario had enough characters to make a Godfather parody.

Luigi = fredo imo.




the animation for it would be hilarious, but there's nowhere near enough characters. though toad = tom hagen imo.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: g-bebe]
      #13073852 - 11/22/07 11:05 AM

LOL at FF7 being in the 70s

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13074025 - 11/22/07 11:30 AM

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Quake II is #98?? THIS IS A TRAVISHAMOCKERY!!

I suppose it wouldn't be as high as Quake simply given that it wasn't the first Quake, even though its engine, single-player campaign, and multiplayer were all vastly better than Quake I and vastly better than any other game at the time. Half-Life (built on the Q2 engine) didn't come around for another year.

Plus, Quake II was probably the last disc you could put into a CD player and [censored] rock out to. Awesome soundtrack.

Mafia is a pretty solid choice at #85, forgot how much fun that game was.




Quake was truly ground-breaking, whereas Quake II was just more of the same with accelerated graphics and polished multi-player - to be honest I'm a little surprised that Quake II made the list at all.

Also, Half-Life was based on a heavily modified version of the original Quake engine; GoldSrc.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13074136 - 11/22/07 11:45 AM

LOL at "Sam and Max hit the road" over Final Fantasy 7 and Goldeneye. I've never even heard of that game, let alone heard of it being good enough to be ranked higher than what are argued by some as the best RPG and best FPS of all time.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13074932 - 11/22/07 01:30 PM

Sam and Max was so good.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Yads]
      #13074976 - 11/22/07 01:34 PM

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Sam and Max was so good.



Agreeed.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13075169 - 11/22/07 01:52 PM

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I've never even heard of that game




Let's be honest, that's a crappy reason to knock a game.

I haven't played FF7 but GoldenEye was a big development in FPS games...for consoles. You're probably going to be surprised when no-name games you've never heard of like, say, System Shock 2 and Deus Ex are ranked higher than Halo 2, amirite?


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13075532 - 11/22/07 02:33 PM

FF7 is fine where it is - there are an awful lot of games in existence.

I think Goldeneye has been much higher on IGN's past lists. I finished it for the first time just a few weeks ago and it really does not hold up that well. I don't play a lot of FPS's, but from what I've seen, Half-Life 1-2 and Halo 1-2 are all better than Goldeneye, not to mention hybrids like the aforementioned Deus Ex. Even the original Doom is "better" from a historical perspective, and I'm sure it will be on the list.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13075874 - 11/22/07 03:15 PM

What made GoldenEye so awesome was the multiplayer which afaik was very uncommon on consoles. I must admit I've spent countless hours playing that but I've never made it past the first level of the single-player.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13076005 - 11/22/07 03:35 PM

Quote:

FF7 is fine where it is - there are an awful lot of games in existence.

I think Goldeneye has been much higher on IGN's past lists. I finished it for the first time just a few weeks ago and it really does not hold up that well. I don't play a lot of FPS's, but from what I've seen, Half-Life 1-2 and Halo 1-2 are all better than Goldeneye, not to mention hybrids like the aforementioned Deus Ex. Even the original Doom is "better" from a historical perspective, and I'm sure it will be on the list.




You have to look at Goldeneye from the time it was made. 1997, there was nothing of it's quality available for the FPS genre for consoles, or for the multiplayer experience. Obviously HL1/2 and Halo took what it did and improved upon it, but I don't see what about it didn't hold up well.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13076077 - 11/22/07 03:44 PM

Quote:

FF7 is fine where it is - there are an awful lot of games in existence.

I think Goldeneye has been much higher on IGN's past lists. I finished it for the first time just a few weeks ago and it really does not hold up that well. I don't play a lot of FPS's, but from what I've seen, Half-Life 1-2 and Halo 1-2 are all better than Goldeneye, not to mention hybrids like the aforementioned Deus Ex. Even the original Doom is "better" from a historical perspective, and I'm sure it will be on the list.



Yeah Goldeneye is a very tough game to judge. On one hand when it came out everything about it was awesome and completely addicting single and multi player wise. Half Life comes out, destroys its single player game (and you are absolutely right Halo was the next revolution in console FPS's)...then an onslaught of crack like online FPS's like Counter Strike, Rainbow 6, Unreal Tourmanents; tough to play Goldeneye 4 player split it when you have a team of 8 going against another with voice communication and everything. I will agree with others though...for what it was when it came out it should easily deserve a spot in the top 50 at least...maybe 30.

I always thought FF7 was weak. =/ I played the SNES RGP's and it wasn't mind blowing besides the CGI I guess.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chilltown]
      #13076258 - 11/22/07 04:06 PM

When it (FF7) was new, whenever I went over to my friends house, his brother was always playing it and it looked pretty sweet. I should get my hands on it and play it.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Yads]
      #13077041 - 11/22/07 05:34 PM

Quote:

Sam and Max was so good.



Yeah, weird I was a huge fan of Secret of Monkey Island & DOTT, yet I've never played Sam & Max. Can't believe I let that one slip!


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13078285 - 11/22/07 08:08 PM

Quote:

LOL at "Sam and Max hit the road" over Final Fantasy 7 and Goldeneye. I've never even heard of that game, let alone heard of it being good enough to be ranked higher than what are argued by some as the best RPG and best FPS of all time.




Sam and Max hit the road is an amazing game and the fact that you've never heard of it makes all your opinions suspect.

The fact that you think FF7 and Goldeneye are arguably the best RPG and FPS of all time makes all of your opinions worthless.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: SBR]
      #13078480 - 11/22/07 08:33 PM

Quote:

Quote:

LOL at "Sam and Max hit the road" over Final Fantasy 7 and Goldeneye. I've never even heard of that game, let alone heard of it being good enough to be ranked higher than what are argued by some as the best RPG and best FPS of all time.




Sam and Max hit the road is an amazing game and the fact that you've never heard of it makes all your opinions suspect.

The fact that you think FF7 and Goldeneye are arguably the best RPG and FPS of all time makes all of your opinions worthless.




Eh I wouldn't go that far. You could make "legitimate" arguments for both being the best, but it's pretty clear upon reflection that neither is the best in their genre, groundbreaking and amazing as they may be.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13078761 - 11/22/07 09:11 PM

Let me preface my opinions by saying that I'm only 19 and have only been playing video games for 9-10 years, so I don't have as much of a perspective on the history of video games as some others do. However, I feel that *for their time* FF7 and Goldeneye could be considered the best in their genres when they were released. Obviously Halo series, as well as many others have passsed Goldeneye, but that doesn't change how great it was when it was first released.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13078946 - 11/22/07 09:38 PM

Day of the Tentacle is a very fun game, but I didn't know it was actually considered good. Anyone else ever play it?

I don't think I could put FF7 much higher because FF3 is much better. Should probably get around to beating chrono trigger one of these days, I keep hearing good things.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: pwnsall]
      #13079379 - 11/22/07 10:25 PM

Quote:

Let me preface my opinions by saying that I'm only 19 and have only been playing video games for 9-10 years, so I don't have as much of a perspective on the history of video games as some others do. However, I feel that *for their time* FF7 and Goldeneye could be considered the best in their genres when they were released. Obviously Halo series, as well as many others have passsed Goldeneye, but that doesn't change how great it was when it was first released.




Exactly, in 1997 EGM released it's top 100 games of all time. Goldeneye was 25 while FFVII was 21. It is very easy to look back at certain games and see what has been improved on them over the years, but for the time these were two games that really impacted future games. I will probably never play a game as much as I played Goldeneye for as long as I live.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: pwnsall]
      #13079453 - 11/22/07 10:33 PM

Happy to see Secret of Mana on the list

Surprised to see Link's Awakening. Good game though.

Star Fox is a great game, but SF64 better be on the list then.

FF7 makes the list at 76, although it would hit #1 in most overrated RPGs. Take out the FMVs and it's average. The game pales to FF6,C Trigger, Secret of Mana,FFT, and Suikoden 2

Goldeneye, the game I played to death 7th-8th grade. Classic

RE1 makes the list, it was a good game for it's time and did start the RE franchise, and inspired Silent Hill and Fatal Frame (among others)

Tecmo Bowl? No TSB? Outrageous.

MGS2 is kind of high on the list. The plot was awful.

Mega Man 2! W00T

Wolfenstein, great game but liked Doom more.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack Bando]
      #13079612 - 11/22/07 10:50 PM

Doom should be top 10, maybe top 20.

Prince of Persia is a good pick, that game was awesome. The plot was really engaging too, by the end of the game it was like a book I couldn't put down.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13079657 - 11/22/07 10:54 PM

For the FF games I have played I would go 6>>>7>9>10>>>>>8. I always felt 9 was very underrated.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: pwnsall]
      #13079716 - 11/22/07 11:02 PM

9 was terrible, if we're just going from 6 on it's (imo, which is weird) 6 >> 10 >>>> 8 > 7 >>>>>>>>>>> 9

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack of Arcades]
      #13079788 - 11/22/07 11:11 PM

I ranked the ones I've played. I've also played some gameboy ones I think but I dunno how those relate. 8 is awful and 10 is meh. I mean, I don't want to spend all [censored] game tediously upgrading. Not sure who thought up that idea. Plus the story was very meh and I don't think it even really made sense. I basically beat the game by skipping fights and then charging up whatever the limit break things are and killing bosses with them. Plus you couldn't fly around the world map. I change my mind and rank 10 the worst and easily most overrated.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack of Arcades]
      #13079818 - 11/22/07 11:14 PM

Out of the FF that i remember well i would go

Jap 6/US 3>>>10>>>7>4>5>>>>8>9

Of course it is quite subjective and a lot of my friends really like 9 for some reason (personally i dont). I also havent rated any games post 10.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Shadowrun]
      #13079836 - 11/22/07 11:17 PM

umm I guess you mean actually flying right? B/c you could unlock the airship and go to places by selecting them or picking the right coordinates (for the secret places).

Story made a lot of sense not sure what your problem is with it.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Shadowrun]
      #13079899 - 11/22/07 11:25 PM

You didn't need to upgrade at all to beat 10.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack of Arcades]
      #13079941 - 11/22/07 11:30 PM

I think I've heard this but it doesn't really seem like a positive I dunno, also the puzzles to get the summons were unnecessary because they weren't hard but just tedious and I did one once but like left the room and had to redo it man I hated that. But enough ranting I played them all so I guess I enjoyed them. Also zelda is overrated just because of the water temple level.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: pwnsall]
      #13080051 - 11/22/07 11:44 PM

6 > 7 > 8 > 9 > 10

not close imo


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Shadowrun]
      #13080430 - 11/23/07 12:35 AM

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umm I guess you mean actually flying right? B/c you could unlock the airship and go to places by selecting them or picking the right coordinates (for the secret places).

Story made a lot of sense not sure what your problem is with it.




My big problem with the FF10 storyline is that it was for the most part completely linear. What made the stories for 6 and 7 so great was the fact that they had tons of twists, and you never really knew where you had to go next.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: pwnsall]
      #13080504 - 11/23/07 12:44 AM

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Day of the Tentacle is a very fun game, but I didn't know it was actually considered good. Anyone else ever play it?




I actually just finished it this week for the first time in like 13 years. It wasn't as amazing as I thought it would be (part of that though was that even after 13 years I remembered so much, so there was barely anything fresh or challenging), but I'm not going to complain about it being on the list. I much prefer Maniac Mansion (its prequel) and look back more fondly upon Sierra's adventure games than Lucasarts'.

FF games I probably say 7>4>1>6>8 of the ones I've played. I'm not as big a fan of 6 as most obviously. I feel like I should rate 8 higher; I came to the end of the game totally underpowered and wound up using FAQs to build up and get key items for about 20+ hours, but it was actually really fun doing that. If I had understood how you're really supposed to use the Junctioning system from the beginning it would have been more enjoyable.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised to see Doom in the high single digits - I wouldn't be surprised to see it anywhere between 7 and 60 in fact, no idea how they'll rank it.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: pwnsall]
      #13080543 - 11/23/07 12:49 AM

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Also zelda is overrated just because of the water temple level.




The Water Temple is awesome. One of my proudest moments in gaming was after I spent hours on it (as did everybody) and resorted to checking every single accessible room at every water level and was still missing a key. I was ready to finally look at a FAQ since at that point I figured there might be a glitch, but I realized there was one last little place I had to look...and sure enough, there it was.

The bandit's camp was also really well done. My favorite level in any game though is Shifting Sand Land in Mario 64.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13081902 - 11/23/07 04:31 AM

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FF7 is fine where it is - there are an awful lot of games in existence.

I think Goldeneye has been much higher on IGN's past lists. I finished it for the first time just a few weeks ago and it really does not hold up that well. I don't play a lot of FPS's, but from what I've seen, Half-Life 1-2 and Halo 1-2 are all better than Goldeneye, not to mention hybrids like the aforementioned Deus Ex. Even the original Doom is "better" from a historical perspective, and I'm sure it will be on the list.






...No. People were just about melting their consoles because they played Goldeneye non-stop. you finished GE a week ago? maybe that's why you dont understand how awesome it is.That game pretty much created multiplayer, it easily destroys both Half-Lifes and both Halos. Goldeneye was utterly amazing. Games are ultimately about fun factor and replayability and that's where Goldeneye owns. I know of plenty of people, right now, that still play Goldeneye on a regular basis. The game is simply a top 10 game of all-time.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13082341 - 11/23/07 06:12 AM

76. Final Fantasy VII

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: kyleb]
      #13082466 - 11/23/07 06:47 AM

Recognising Link's Awakening is good. Apart from OoT that is the best Zelda game. Dunno about FF7, never played it and have no interest in doing so, but I've never heard an opinion about it from anyone without either having a huge mancrush on it or saying it's overrated to the point that it sucks. Goldeneye is obv too low. Respect for Mega Man 2, most of those games fly under everyone's radar as there's so many of them, also Wolf3D, the one everyone forgets because of Doom.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: jah7_fsu1]
      #13082948 - 11/23/07 08:34 AM

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Let me preface my opinions by saying that I'm only 19 and have only been playing video games for 9-10 years, so I don't have as much of a perspective on the history of video games as some others do. However, I feel that *for their time* FF7 and Goldeneye could be considered the best in their genres when they were released. Obviously Halo series, as well as many others have passsed Goldeneye, but that doesn't change how great it was when it was first released.




Exactly, in 1997 EGM released it's top 100 games of all time. Goldeneye was 25 while FFVII was 21. It is very easy to look back at certain games and see what has been improved on them over the years, but for the time these were two games that really impacted future games. I will probably never play a game as much as I played Goldeneye for as long as I live.




Ehhhh. I think these two games are ranked just fine. If they were as hugely impactful on future games as you imply, they would have cracked the top 10 in that 1997 list.

They are great games that made incremental improvements to already existing concepts. The games that are remembered on top lists are the ones that broke ground with new concepts or reinvented old ones. You are probably overestimating these games' importance because it was in your gaming heyday.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: skindog]
      #13083171 - 11/23/07 09:30 AM

Yeah Burnout 3, MGS2, and Virtua Fighter 4 placed above Goldeneye...the more I use my common sense the more I realize this list kind of blows.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chilltown]
      #13084823 - 11/23/07 01:17 PM

The fanbois talking about how call of duty four should be on this list are really effing dense.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Case Closed]
      #13084916 - 11/23/07 01:27 PM

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The fanbois talking about how call of duty four should be on this list are really effing dense.




Some of the comments are truly terrible to the point of hilarity, and are exactly why those of us at gamefaqs ironically look down on those at ign:

10.Spiderman(PS1)
9.Duke Nuckem 64
8.Duke Nuckem: Time to Kill
7.Star wars Battlefront II
6.Spider-an friend or Foe(PSP)
5.Spiderman the movie(PS2)
4.tar Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron
3.Halo
2.Halo 2
1.Halo 3


Fanboy much?

Looking at their previous lists, just got to wonder what'll be third (after they continue their obvious SMB and OoT love-in)


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Case Closed]
      #13084918 - 11/23/07 01:27 PM

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The fanbois talking about how call of duty four should be on this list are really effing dense.




You mean because it isn't even eligible?


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: MuresanForMVP]
      #13084947 - 11/23/07 01:31 PM

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FF7 is fine where it is - there are an awful lot of games in existence.

I think Goldeneye has been much higher on IGN's past lists. I finished it for the first time just a few weeks ago and it really does not hold up that well. I don't play a lot of FPS's, but from what I've seen, Half-Life 1-2 and Halo 1-2 are all better than Goldeneye, not to mention hybrids like the aforementioned Deus Ex. Even the original Doom is "better" from a historical perspective, and I'm sure it will be on the list.






...No. People were just about melting their consoles because they played Goldeneye non-stop. you finished GE a week ago? maybe that's why you dont understand how awesome it is.That game pretty much created multiplayer, it easily destroys both Half-Lifes and both Halos. Goldeneye was utterly amazing. Games are ultimately about fun factor and replayability and that's where Goldeneye owns. I know of plenty of people, right now, that still play Goldeneye on a regular basis. The game is simply a top 10 game of all-time.




I played it at the time also, plenty of multi-player. I just finished single-player recently, and that gives me more perspective than you, not less. There are at least 5 FPSs that are better so it's impossible for it to be in the top 10.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: sixfour]
      #13086713 - 11/23/07 04:51 PM

There are at least 50 FPS's better than Doom, doesn't mean it should be left off the list though.
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Looking at their previous lists, just got to wonder what'll be third (after they continue their obvious SMB and OoT love-in)



Yeah but SMB and Ocarina deserve 1 and 2 though. Both games were perfect when they came out, both revolutionized gaming, etc. There's really not a whole lot of games that you could argue would be ahead. Maybe...Mario 64.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chilltown]
      #13087098 - 11/23/07 05:38 PM

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Yeah but SMB and Ocarina deserve 1 and 2 though. Both games were perfect when they came out, both revolutionized gaming, etc. There's really not a whole lot of games that you could argue would be ahead. Maybe...Mario 64.




Ocarina yes. But one of their criteria is "how well it stands up over the years", and SMB was rendered obsolete back when they released SMB3, the pinnacle of the genre


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: sixfour]
      #13087193 - 11/23/07 05:48 PM

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Yeah but SMB and Ocarina deserve 1 and 2 though. Both games were perfect when they came out, both revolutionized gaming, etc. There's really not a whole lot of games that you could argue would be ahead. Maybe...Mario 64.




Ocarina yes. But one of their criteria is "how well it stands up over the years", and SMB was rendered obsolete back when they released SMB3, the pinnacle of the genre



And Ocarina has been rendered obsolete by other games as well. But Super Mario Bros and Ocarina are both fun to play today. Doom on the other hand is practically unplayable by how far FPSs have come.

Also what is the deal with people saying Ocarina revolutionized gaming? I could name dozens of games that had a bigger impact than Ocarina.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13087200 - 11/23/07 05:48 PM

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The fanbois talking about how call of duty four should be on this list are really effing dense.




You mean because it isn't even eligible?



That's and I agree with IGN not including recent games when doing a top 100 all time list. Replay factor is so important when determining a list like this. These are the type of people who's number one game of all time would change every single year to whichever game is hot right at that moment.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Case Closed]
      #13087453 - 11/23/07 06:14 PM

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Also what is the deal with people saying Ocarina revolutionized gaming? I could name dozens of games that had a bigger impact than Ocarina.




I'd like to see that list...probably the first really huge 3D world in videogames. Took one of the most beloved series of all-time perfectly into 3D, (which at the time was a big concern of fans) the Z targeting locking the camera onto enemies so you didn't have to struggle to stay on them. Mario 64 was probably more revolutionary, but OOT took everything it did and innovated to make it a perfect experience.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: sixfour]
      #13087743 - 11/23/07 06:34 PM

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Yeah but SMB and Ocarina deserve 1 and 2 though. Both games were perfect when they came out, both revolutionized gaming, etc. There's really not a whole lot of games that you could argue would be ahead. Maybe...Mario 64.




Ocarina yes. But one of their criteria is "how well it stands up over the years", and SMB was rendered obsolete back when they released SMB3, the pinnacle of the genre




smb isnt obsolete imo, it is much more fast paced than smb3


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: jah7_fsu1]
      #13088067 - 11/23/07 07:02 PM

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Also what is the deal with people saying Ocarina revolutionized gaming? I could name dozens of games that had a bigger impact than Ocarina.




I'd like to see that list...probably the first really huge 3D world in videogames. Took one of the most beloved series of all-time perfectly into 3D, (which at the time was a big concern of fans) the Z targeting locking the camera onto enemies so you didn't have to struggle to stay on them. Mario 64 was probably more revolutionary, but OOT took everything it did and innovated to make it a perfect experience.



I'm not arguing it is a perfect experience, but the only really innovation there is Z targeting...


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: chuckleslovakian]
      #13088610 - 11/23/07 07:47 PM

The original SMB hold up decently well. Its true that Mario 3 is indisputably superior but SMB to me at least is more challenging and differs enough from 3 to be its own game. Give Nintendo credit. Mario 1>3>World all feel completely different but its just Mario going from point A to point B.

And Ocarina is not obsolete now. Far far from it. The puzzles and dungeons are still spectacular. I still think the Spirit Temple is the most brilliantly designed level in any game ever. The only knock on Ocarina now is the graphics. 3D games from the PSX/N64 era are kind of ugly to look at. I'd rather look at sprites from SNES games because I accept them for what they are. I still think Mario World 2 looks gorgeous.

And as for innovation, it was pretty much the "how to" to all 3D adventure type games alike for years to come. How to make a 3D world, how to design levels, make all these little side quests and mini games, its influence on boss battles is evident. Just Z targeting is kind of a stretch...hell Z targeting alone had a huge influence on other games.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: chuckleslovakian]
      #13090520 - 11/23/07 10:31 PM

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Also what is the deal with people saying Ocarina revolutionized gaming?




I agree with this to a large extent, and it's why I put Mario 64 ahead of Ocarina. Mario 64 was an almost 100% new and unique experience that had never been done before - and you can count the 3D platformers that have come close since then on literally one hand.

Ocarina was Link to the Past in 3D.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13091199 - 11/23/07 11:39 PM

I don't think OOT was all that revolutionary but, at least in my opinion, it was almost the perfect game. Every detail seemed to have been thought through. The story was engaging, well-paced and didn't really drag. The gameplay was great with just enough variety to keep it interesting and fresh without deviating from the premise too much and going of on weird tangents. The characters were fun and memorable and the music was ridiculous. In my mind it was pretty much flaw-less and had a ton of replay value, which is impressive for a single-player game of that type.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chilltown]
      #13091697 - 11/24/07 12:19 AM

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Yeah but SMB and Ocarina deserve 1 and 2 though. Both games were perfect when they came out




Then how is Doom not #3? There are a million FPSes better than Doom, sure, but you seem to have different criteria for what FPS games should be on the list than you do for platformers or RPGs?

Doom's held up great over time. I still play it occasionally.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13092307 - 11/24/07 01:09 AM

wtf is Burnout 3 doing on the list

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: bazooka87]
      #13092352 - 11/24/07 01:12 AM

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wtf is Burnout 3 doing on the list




I've seen it on other lists too so it probably isn't an off-the-wall choice.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13095286 - 11/24/07 10:50 AM

Hopefully the last comment I have to make about FF7, but LOL at having FF2 20 places ahead of FF7. If FF6 (3 for SNES) is not on this list above FF2 it will be a traveshamockery.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13096387 - 11/24/07 01:22 PM

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Also what is the deal with people saying Ocarina revolutionized gaming?




I agree with this to a large extent, and it's why I put Mario 64 ahead of Ocarina. Mario 64 was an almost 100% new and unique experience that had never been done before - and you can count the 3D platformers that have come close since then on literally one hand.

Ocarina was Link to the Past in 3D.




Why don't we just call this list the "100 Most Revolutionary" or the "100 most unique" because that seems to be what everyone is talking about here. "Nah man, that game may have been more awesome but it wasn't as revolutionary , man." fwiw, in my mind OOT should clearly be above SMB64, [censored] revolutionary, if it's flat out the better game then how can you justify putting it lower?


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: MuresanForMVP]
      #13098610 - 11/24/07 05:12 PM

Mario 64 should be like number 99. It was a great game when it came out and was revolutionary, but it's borderline unplayable now because of the camera angles.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: blackize]
      #13099655 - 11/24/07 06:47 PM

Those of us who talk about how revolutionary a game is are simply trying to consider a game in its time when it came out. Obviously games are going to get better over time as more improvements are made to graphics, physics engines, camera angles, etc... However, we're giving bonus points if a game was the first of its kind to include something, like Goldeneye being the first to include that type of multiplayer for a FPS. If the game is flat out the best 100 games, then it should be mostly recent games because improvements are constantly being made, but some of us are trying to recognize which games we loved playing the most, and those are older games for some of us.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: kyleb]
      #13099738 - 11/24/07 06:56 PM

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76. Final Fantasy VII

alright this is unacceptable, i am not reading any further




QFT


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13100879 - 11/24/07 09:01 PM

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like Goldeneye being the first to include that type of multiplayer for a FPS on a console




Doom came out in 1993 and had multiplayer. Quake came out in 1996 and allowed the development of 27 different kinds of mods which extended multiplayer gameplay way farther than anything Goldeneye did.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13101857 - 11/24/07 10:33 PM

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Those of us who talk about how revolutionary a game is are simply trying to consider a game in its time when it came out. Obviously games are going to get better over time as more improvements are made to graphics, physics engines, camera angles, etc... However, we're giving bonus points if a game was the first of its kind to include something, like Goldeneye being the first to include that type of multiplayer for a FPS. If the game is flat out the best 100 games, then it should be mostly recent games because improvements are constantly being made, but some of us are trying to recognize which games we loved playing the most, and those are older games for some of us.



Have to consider appeal too. Not everyone can be interested in the countless FPS games out there today, RPG's, these incredibly detailed strategy games, etc. A game like the original Mario Bros is practically a universe language.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13105856 - 11/25/07 05:09 AM

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like Goldeneye being the first to include that type of multiplayer for a FPS on a console




Doom came out in 1993 and had multiplayer. Quake came out in 1996 and allowed the development of 27 different kinds of mods which extended multiplayer gameplay way farther than anything Goldeneye did.




PC FPSes don't get enough respect, eh. Goldeneye and Halo really aren't that incredible (esp Halo), coming from a gamer with a long history of PC FPS. I wouldn't rate Halo more than an 8/10 at best. Most console mags give it a 10, most citing the multiplayer as the main reason.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JackWilson]
      #13121973 - 11/26/07 11:58 AM

I have a feeling that they are going to end up with Super Mario World 2 above SMW 1. Which is really odd IMO.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13122697 - 11/26/07 12:58 PM

50-40: No major gripes here, I think God of War might be a little high, I wasn't that impressed by the game. I know I'm a huge Guitar Hero Fan, but I think GH2 might be a little low on the list given its widespread appeal.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Case Closed]
      #13123949 - 11/26/07 02:34 PM

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I have a feeling that they are going to end up with Super Mario World 2 above SMW 1. Which is really odd IMO.




Nah I think SMW1 will be on there.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13124020 - 11/26/07 02:40 PM

Neat list - hopefully 7 Cities of Gold, Zork & MULE show up in the top twenty... Wonder if they'll put in Spy Hunter - loved that game in the arcade.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: BrookTrout]
      #13125875 - 11/26/07 04:37 PM

Tomba!

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: blackize]
      #13126419 - 11/26/07 05:10 PM

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Mario 64 should be like number 99. It was a great game when it came out and was revolutionary, but it's borderline unplayable now because of the camera angles.




this is crazy. Mario 64, along with Ocarina of Time (and maybe Link to the Past) may be the game in history that holds up best. The camera angles really aren't that bad and everything else about the game is flawless. If you took a kid who hasn't been exposed to video games yet and had him play Super Mario 64 and 5 games of your choosing, I think he would say SM64 is the best a vast majority of the time.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: blackize]
      #13128097 - 11/26/07 07:06 PM

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Mario 64 should be like number 99. It was a great game when it came out and was revolutionary, but it's borderline unplayable now because of the camera angles.




Mario 64 and OOT are the only reasons I still have a N64 in my attic. Mario 64 should be in the #15 at least and possibly top 5. It revolutionized the 3d platformer and is still fun to play ten years later.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Number27]
      #13128163 - 11/26/07 07:11 PM

I love SM64, but most of the difficulty in the game came from game mechanics, like camera issues.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack of Arcades]
      #13132295 - 11/27/07 12:00 AM

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Mario 64 should be like number 99. It was a great game when it came out and was revolutionary, but it's borderline unplayable now because of the camera angles.




Poor post on so many levels. If it is unplayable now, it was always unplayable. Just because other games have improved camera doesn't mean SM64 isn't one of the most fun games of all time (note I didn't say revolutionary). That's like saying SMB3 is unplayable today because the graphics suck. It is not hard to adjust your camera, and is only relevant in certain situations. For most of the game the camera isn't a big problem and certainly doesn't render it unplayable.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: jah7_fsu1]
      #13132622 - 11/27/07 12:27 AM

Back when it was first released camera issues were still a problem, but you could overlook it because the game was innovative and people didn't have an expectation of competent camera mechanics.

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That's like saying SMB3 is unplayable today because the graphics suck.




Not even close to the same. SMB3's poor graphics don't make it difficult for the player to interact with the game. SM64's poor camera makes it difficult for the player to interact with the game.

Also to Junt Monkey: Basically every Crash Bandicoot game is better than Mario 64


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: blackize]
      #13141047 - 11/27/07 04:07 PM

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Also to Junt Monkey: Basically every Crash Bandicoot game is better than Mario 64




that's a really bold statement. I think it would take a whole lot to top SM64


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: GBP04]
      #13142630 - 11/27/07 05:50 PM

Crash Bandicoot may not have the open worlds, but it does have the fast-paced, platforming fun that is superior to Mario 64. Then when you consider that there are no camera issues it's a slam dunk.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: blackize]
      #13142798 - 11/27/07 06:03 PM

Mario 64 has better camera angles than 95% or more games out there now where camera can be considered an issue (see 2D games fighting games and most sports games). I said it and I'm not taking it back. There are no open 3D platform and adventure games when the camera doesn't get in the way at some point if the camera is being controlled by the user. Factzor. Mario 64>Banjo-Kazooie>Sonic Adventure>Sunshine>Jak and Dexter>Mario Galaxy...you will be frustrated by camera angles in every one of these games at some point. It happens.

"but you could overlook it because the game was innovative and people didn't have an expectation of competent camera mechanics."

Yeah, and Mario 64 invented those mechanics. 99th...lols.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chilltown]
      #13143088 - 11/27/07 06:22 PM

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Also to Junt Monkey: Basically every Crash Bandicoot game is better than Mario 64




Serious questions: When is the last time you played Mario 64? I can only assume it has been a very long time ago, because the game is brilliant with a few issues and that is being picky. I've played two Crash games (although not the highest scoring Warped or whatever). They aren't even close to the same level, merely in the same genre (yeah, you jump in both...)

Reviews for the 3 crash games on IGN were 7.5, 8.1, and 9.1.
So after 3 tries, Crash's best effort wasn't very close to Mario 64's one game.

Mario 64's was: 9.8

"Nintendo 64's early flagship title demonstrates the power of the hardware as well as the creative genius of Miyamoto and team. Not only does the game obliterate every platformer before it in terms of visual finesse, it plays just as well if not infinitely better than previous 2D incarnations of the Mario franchise. 3D worlds are huge and cleverly laid-out so that there's never a dull moment. Secrets play a huge part of the experience, recapturing the classic gameplay style of the series. In fact, this game is exactly as one might hope it would be: Mario in 3D. More freedom, more space, more options, better graphics, improved and elaborated control schemes -- it's all there. Possibly the greatest videogame achievement ever. Don't rent. Buy."

Mario 64 is seen high up on almost every top 100 or best videogames ever list. It is usually a top 10 title. I'm not sure I have ever seen a Crash game on almost any top list.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: jah7_fsu1]
      #13144178 - 11/27/07 07:29 PM

Two of my all time favourite games in this update, Fallout at 33 and Grim Fandango at 36.

Must admit I was hoping they'd get a bit higher, and now I want to play


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13144600 - 11/27/07 07:57 PM

SMB3 at #39 is about 37 places too low, aside from that there's nothing hugely wtf-worthy from 40-31

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: sixfour]
      #13144648 - 11/27/07 08:00 PM

Deus Ex could be higher.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13144810 - 11/27/07 08:11 PM

SMB3...yeah...but I'm sure Super Mario World will get in there deservingly. And I dunno I kind of think World is just as deserving as 3.

Go go Majora's Mask at 31. Sickly awesome Zelda game, so underrated.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chilltown]
      #13145540 - 11/27/07 08:58 PM

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Go go Majora's Mask at 31. Sickly awesome Zelda game, so underrated.




That game was way, way too short.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: gumpzilla]
      #13145624 - 11/27/07 09:04 PM

I agree that Majora's Mask was way too short, but I give them a lot of credit for taking the concept that was essentially the same for every Zelda game through OOT and making it different. The fact that there were some spots where you were pressed for time was interesting, and the amount of sidequests and explorable things in that game were pretty large. I think it's fairly rated.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13145863 - 11/27/07 09:21 PM

NO DOTA THAN I JUST DONT CARE

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack Bando]
      #13151320 - 11/28/07 05:19 AM

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Happy to see Secret of Mana on the list

Surprised to see Link's Awakening. Good game though.

Star Fox is a great game, but SF64 better be on the list then.

FF7 makes the list at 76, although it would hit #1 in most overrated RPGs. Take out the FMVs and it's average. The game pales to FF6,C Trigger, Secret of Mana,FFT, and Suikoden 2

Goldeneye, the game I played to death 7th-8th grade. Classic

RE1 makes the list, it was a good game for it's time and did start the RE franchise, and inspired Silent Hill and Fatal Frame (among others)

Tecmo Bowl? No TSB? Outrageous.

MGS2 is kind of high on the list. The plot was awful.

Mega Man 2! W00T

Wolfenstein, great game but liked Doom more.




JB,

Thanks a lot for your post. Its clear that you put a lot of thought into it, and thats one of the things that I really respect about you. However, why are you so certain that Tecmo Super Bowl won't make the list? It has been near the top every other year, so why wouldn't it this year?


On a completely different note, am I the only one who thinks Wind Waker is underrated? I enjoyed that more than MM or OOT because the camera and fighting was a lot smoother. Anyway, have a great night Jack, and I look forward to reading more of your posts.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Assani Fisher]
      #13154618 - 11/28/07 01:00 PM

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On a completely different note, am I the only one who thinks Wind Waker is underrated?




I think WW is a phenomenal game and constantly an underrated Zelda game. I also think Zelda 2 (Link's Awakening) is one of the best games ever so maybe I just like the games "normal" Zelda fans think are the weaker ones. I wouldn't put WW above Twilight Princess or Ocarina...but I would rank it right about even with Majora's Mask. So you aren't alone


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: jah7_fsu1]
      #13155082 - 11/28/07 01:31 PM

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On a completely different note, am I the only one who thinks Wind Waker is underrated?




I think WW is a phenomenal game and constantly an underrated Zelda game. I also think Zelda 2 (Link's Awakening) is one of the best games ever so maybe I just like the games "normal" Zelda fans think are the weaker ones. I wouldn't put WW above Twilight Princess or Ocarina...but I would rank it right about even with Majora's Mask. So you aren't alone




I'd go 1. Ocarina of Time 2. Link to the Past 3. Wind Waker 4. Majora's Mask 5. Twilight Princess 6. Phantom Hourglass


Twilight Princess was a great game, but the lack of people in the world (same with Phantom Hourglass) really annoyed me.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: GBP04]
      #13156524 - 11/28/07 03:09 PM

1. Ocarina 2. LTTP 3. Majora's Mask 4. Twilight Prince 5. Wind Waker for me. I really hated the fact that WW had too much sailing, too much tedious treasure hunting, too small of a land world. Still an amazing game, but weaker than the other in my book. Boss battles were jokes, never really a serious threat of death, but from the start of game till the master sword was near perfect.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chilltown]
      #13158676 - 11/28/07 05:12 PM

Ugh, I really hoped that Pokemon Blue/Red would place better than 37, might be the greatest Gameboy game ever.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: memento_mori]
      #13161346 - 11/28/07 08:18 PM

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Ugh, I really hoped that Pokemon Blue/Red would place better than 37, might be the greatest Gameboy game ever.




Pokemon RBY is OK, but that statement is lol-worthy.

30-21 is a bit odd, by their criteria SFII should be nowhere near that low, and they're using up too many of their "cult PC games that were great but nobody bought" selections here. Also nobody's going to remember KotoR in three years' time, and Mario Kart basically was fine for a couple of years until Street Racer did everything better and MK64 surpassed it completely


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: sixfour]
      #13161507 - 11/28/07 08:28 PM

The Zelda series goes OoT, LA, ALttP, TP and LoZ for me. Tried MM but got bored of it after the great bay temple made me lose the will to live. Tried playing Zelda 2 but could never get into it. Borrowed Wind Waker off someone but never actually put it in the Cube as Ikaruga was taking up too much time

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: sixfour]
      #13161762 - 11/28/07 08:47 PM

there is a lot of talk about halo and the like surpassing goldeneye. fwiw, i don't even really like the halo series that much, but i will still play goldeneye from time to time.

also i would agree that there is a distinction between "great for its time" and just flat out "great right now"

games like OOT, goldeneye, smb64, smb3, and ff6 still fit that criteria of greatness for me.

of my childhood favorites, super mario kart has slipped imo and is actually probably suprassed by the gameboy advance mario kart.

haven't checked the list lately, but is civ4 up there? i could see that game still being great 15 years from now.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Chris Daddy Cool]
      #13162023 - 11/28/07 09:05 PM

ugh. i don't think i could eat knowing i talked bad about super mario kart. i still it!!!!!

re: mike tyson's punchout.

re: street figher 2
although i've always felt that sf2 got overlooked once the wave of 3d fighting games came out.

also, there sure are a lot of pc games i've never heard of in here, which makes me sad. =(


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: g-bebe]
      #13165532 - 11/29/07 12:58 AM

I'm quite stoked Dragon Warrior was ranked so high.

First RPG I ever played and I loved the Dragon Warrior Series while despising the Final Fantasy series at the time.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: grouchie]
      #13169865 - 11/29/07 11:37 AM

Nice to see warcraft 2 in there so high. (Warcraft 3 better not be, and starcraft should be top 10 probably).

Aside, so did anyone else here go in and change the acknowledgments for the different characters. I mean a lot were pretty sweet already (especially when you kept clicking them) but I think I ended up a bunch anyway.

Edit - it irritates me that I only have this for the mac, and never bothered picking up a $20 box pack for the PC before it was taken off the shelf.

Edited by fnord_too (11/29/07 11:39 AM)


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: fnord_too]
      #13170499 - 11/29/07 12:30 PM

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Nice to see warcraft 2 in there so high. (Warcraft 3 better not be, and starcraft should be top 10 probably).

Aside, so did anyone else here go in and change the acknowledgments for the different characters. I mean a lot were pretty sweet already (especially when you kept clicking them) but I think I ended up a bunch anyway.

Edit - it irritates me that I only have this for the mac, and never bothered picking up a $20 box pack for the PC before it was taken off the shelf.




i remember downloading wardraft or w/e it was called and changed the animation of the gryphon attack from the original to something else...but i dont remember what i changed it to


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JMa]
      #13170957 - 11/29/07 01:08 PM

Oh man, I forgot about those mods. iirc they had some pretty cool themes developed.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: fnord_too]
      #13175565 - 11/29/07 06:17 PM

Anyone remember the Point Blank games for Playstation? those were awesome

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: sixfour]
      #13175878 - 11/29/07 06:36 PM

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they're using up too many of their "cult PC games that were great but nobody bought" selections here




Uh, what? X-Com: UFO Defense is the only one of those games I'm not familiar with and SS2 is the only other one that might be considered a "cult game nobody bought," and it's deservedly on that list because it's one of the best shooters ever (see Zero Punctuation's BioShock review for reference). Warcraft II, SimCity 2000, and Half-Life aren't cult games, nor did nobody buy them.

I'm glad they didn't ride Half-Life's nuts into the top 25, although I'm sure HL2 will be a little overrated.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13176252 - 11/29/07 07:03 PM

Shadow of the Colossus is a huge stretch at #16. I mean I love the game and all but it is between Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and Super Mario World. I know Shadow is pretty and all, but come on.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: chuckleslovakian]
      #13176478 - 11/29/07 07:21 PM

Oh, didn't realize they were into top 20. Obv they massively underrate Doom's staying power. 19? Please, it was the birth of a [censored] genre, was light-years ahead of anything else out at the time and is still playable and fun today with source mods.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13176791 - 11/29/07 07:47 PM

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they're using up too many of their "cult PC games that were great but nobody bought" selections here




Uh, what? X-Com: UFO Defense is the only one of those games I'm not familiar with and SS2 is the only other one that might be considered a "cult game nobody bought," and it's deservedly on that list because it's one of the best shooters ever (see Zero Punctuation's BioShock review for reference). Warcraft II, SimCity 2000, and Half-Life aren't cult games, nor did nobody buy them.

I'm glad they didn't ride Half-Life's nuts into the top 25, although I'm sure HL2 will be a little overrated.




Man, I think XCom and HL were placed much too low. I didn't like HL2 nearly as much as the original, so if HL2 is in the top 10, I'll be very sad. The guys at IGN's PC branch clearly didn't have much say in this list, since they crowned XCom the #1 PC game of all time, and deservedly so imo. Yet, they mention that the PC guys gave it the #1, and they stick it behind a bunch of other great, but not quite as perfect (imo) PC games.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: MrWookie]
      #13177406 - 11/29/07 08:32 PM

its a shame that Sensible Soccer didnt make the list...dont think it will be top 10

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JMa]
      #13177947 - 11/29/07 09:05 PM

Way too much love for Nintendo on this list, especially for the overrated SNES.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13178076 - 11/29/07 09:15 PM

I'm struggling to come up with what games will be locks for the top 10.

The only ones I can think of right now are
Super Mario 64
Zelda OOT

I'd have to think Civilization 4 will be up there. Not sure if it will, but I think it should be. As for what else, I have no idea.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13178228 - 11/29/07 09:28 PM

civilization 2 will be up there for how cutting edge it was at the time, not civ 4. My predictions for the top 10

Super Mario 64
Zelda OOT
Super Metroid
Tetris
A Link to the Past
Half Life 2
Civilization 2
Star Control 2?
Resident Evil 4??
Tecmo Super Bowl???


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13178272 - 11/29/07 09:31 PM

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I'm struggling to come up with what games will be locks for the top 10.




Final Fantasy III seems to be a lock, agreed Civ4 will probably make it too.

EDIT: Eh, thinking about it FFIII probably isn't even a good choice, sick sick game but FFII was more breakthrough (already on list), just that Chrono Trigger was up there and FFIII hadn't shown yet seemed odd.

People on IGN seem to be suspecting GOW and RE4, while both great games, I doubt to see them on here, but who knows.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: dibbs]
      #13178957 - 11/29/07 10:26 PM

Oblivion?

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: SharkTank43]
      #13179564 - 11/29/07 11:06 PM

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Oblivion?



no way


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: SharkTank43]
      #13179578 - 11/29/07 11:07 PM

Super Mario 64
Zelda OOT
Diablo 2
Tetris
A Link to the Past
Half Life 2
Civilization 2
GOW
Resident Evil 4
FF3

Here's my list. No way is TSB on the top 10, TB was somewhere in the 60-70's. But if it is, I might whip out some TSB action


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack Bando]
      #13179636 - 11/29/07 11:11 PM

well TSB in the 2005 list was 24th. It seems odd they would drop it completely and include TB in the 60s. But it also seems like an odd choice for a top 10.. Thats why TSB got a ??? on myt predictions

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: chuckleslovakian]
      #13182440 - 11/30/07 03:23 AM

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Shadow of the Colossus is a huge stretch at #16. I mean I love the game and all but it is between Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and Super Mario World. I know Shadow is pretty and all, but come on.




Gross, can't believe the game is on the list, let alone at 16. It's pretty, but nowhere near a top videogame of all time if you can get over it's "artistic" appeal.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: chuckleslovakian]
      #13182535 - 11/30/07 03:33 AM

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Oblivion?



no way




Now that you mention it, it's absolutely [censored] ridic if The Elder Scrolls gets no love on this list. Pick a game in the series at random and it belongs in top 40 easily.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13182947 - 11/30/07 04:30 AM

Wow, just realized my predictions didnt include Super Mario Brothers. Throw out Tecmo Super Bowl from my predictions and you have the top 10

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13183649 - 11/30/07 06:46 AM

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Oblivion?



no way




Now that you mention it, it's absolutely [censored] ridic if The Elder Scrolls gets no love on this list. Pick a game in the series at random and it belongs in top 40 easily.




Agree big time. I'm happy some of the classic rpgs made a decent showing but not having any Elder Scrolls is retarded.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: littlekeed]
      #13184054 - 11/30/07 08:03 AM

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Way too much love for Nintendo on this list, especially for the overrated SNES.



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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack Bando]
      #13185655 - 11/30/07 11:17 AM

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Super Mario 64
Zelda OOT
Diablo 2
Tetris
A Link to the Past
Half Life 2
Civilization 2
GOW
Resident Evil 4
FF3

Here's my list. No way is TSB on the top 10, TB was somewhere in the 60-70's. But if it is, I might whip out some TSB action




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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: BrookTrout]
      #13186357 - 11/30/07 12:09 PM

the more i read all these posts, the more i think how ridiculous these kinds of best-game-ever lists are. it's so insanely difficult to include every gem of the gaming industry ever made in a compact list of 100 titles. there are just too many omissions.

though it is fun to hypothesize about it. i guess.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: BrookTrout]
      #13186383 - 11/30/07 12:11 PM

Definitely civ2, definitely tetris (maybe number one even).

I would expect a console in there, like donkey kong if it isn't already (though tetris may fit this bill). Probably an early computer game like wizardry or ultima 3. Oh, or Zork, that one is kind of huge.


Diablo 2 is pretty definite too.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: g-bebe]
      #13186458 - 11/30/07 12:17 PM

The making of the lists isn't ridiculous - but any argument over them is definitely pointless... No one's ever going to be satisfied - I'm amazed that Speedball isn't on the list yet for instance - but they do offer a nice trip down memory lane for those who've spent far too much time playing video games.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: sixfour]
      #13186908 - 11/30/07 01:00 PM

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Ugh, I really hoped that Pokemon Blue/Red would place better than 37, might be the greatest Gameboy game ever.




Pokemon RBY is OK, but that statement is lol-worthy.

30-21 is a bit odd, by their criteria SFII should be nowhere near that low, and they're using up too many of their "cult PC games that were great but nobody bought" selections here. Also nobody's going to remember KotoR in three years' time...




Please explain how Pokemon is not one of the top 3 Game Boy games of all time...

KOTOR is a bit high on the list but you're exaggeration is so much more lol-worthy.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JackWilson]
      #13190374 - 11/30/07 05:15 PM

you have basically every other lucasarts adventure title in there yet no monkey island so i'm hoping it's in the top 10. same for quake. hl2 is a lock, i imagine.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Yeti]
      #13191558 - 11/30/07 06:27 PM

Is RE4 really #10 material? I just played it on Wii and it was fun and engaging but by no means the greatest console experience I've had in awhile.

HL2: obviously overrated at #6.

No Elder Scrolls: diagf IGN plz.

Quake II was early in the list, right? And Quake didn't show up at all? Hrm, if they're only gonna use one game from the series then QII could have been higher considering it took the Halo of multiplayer games in the 90's and made it even more addicting.

Quake's multiplayer was fun but running through different flavors of slimy brown castles got old in the single player. I think QII's improvements to the single player game made it a lot better.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: goofyballer]
      #13191602 - 11/30/07 06:29 PM

I can't believe no Mortal Kombat made the list.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: SharkTank43]
      #13191801 - 11/30/07 06:42 PM

Wow, what a terrible top 3

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack of Arcades]
      #13192551 - 11/30/07 07:45 PM

eh so I was 9/10 on my guesses. I didnt think they would put FF3 top 10, though I am extremely glad they did since it is probably my favorite game of all time.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: chuckleslovakian]
      #13193047 - 11/30/07 08:24 PM

Obvious top ten but every game works. Sad Ocarina doesn't get number one because its my favorite game but its tough to make arguments with any of the top 5.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: SharkTank43]
      #13195264 - 11/30/07 11:47 PM

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I can't believe no Mortal Kombat made the list.




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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13195489 - 12/01/07 12:10 AM

Somebody mentioned Star Control 2, which I haven't even played but know it's considered to be one of the best PC games ever, but I don't remember seeing it on the list. Was it there and I just missed it or is it some crazy oversight?

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Macdaddy Warsaw]
      #13195670 - 12/01/07 12:29 AM

Bummmed there was no Wing Commander/Privateer game in the list . Personally I think HL and HL2 should be switched around. Also surprised the Ultima series isn't higher. Also as having only owned a NES I'm surprised there were so many Nintendo system games in the top 20. I kind of expected Everquest to be on the list since it started the MMO genre, but I guess if WoW is so low on the list EQ doesn't make it.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Thanir]
      #13197248 - 12/01/07 03:24 AM

I can't belive Diablo 2 didn't make the list

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: TehVader]
      #13197487 - 12/01/07 04:14 AM

I don't know, I understand that Tetris was a huge game, but I don't get how that was better than a lot of these games. No Diablo or Diablo II at all on the list is a travesty. It figures that Super Mario Bros. is #1, but I think that SMB 3 improved on SMB1 and that SMB64 blew by both of them in terms of innovation. No qualms with OOT, Civ II, or FFIII on the top 10. I agree with an earlier poster in that RE4 isn't exactly top 10 material. It was entertaining and engaging, but I can't see anything that set it apart from any other FPS, and anything that would make it the 2nd highest rated FPS of all time.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: TehVader]
      #13197514 - 12/01/07 04:18 AM

holy crap, vader, ur right about d2, bad exclusion imo as well...

just some notables that brought a smile to my face

86. perfect dark
64. TA
59. RA 1
50. SSB 1
47. God of War 1
39. SMB 3


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Suigin406]
      #13197675 - 12/01/07 04:47 AM

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A number of factors were taken into consideration when selecting a winner: How good the game was compared to others of its time, its overall game design, how well it stands up over the years, how influential it has been in the realm of gaming and just plain how much fun we had playing it are all points for contention.



Super Mario Brothers and Tetris rightfully destroy a lot of games when judged by this criteria


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: chuckleslovakian]
      #13197732 - 12/01/07 05:00 AM

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A number of factors were taken into consideration when selecting a winner: How good the game was compared to others of its time, its overall game design, how well it stands up over the years, how influential it has been in the realm of gaming and just plain how much fun we had playing it are all points for contention.



Super Mario Brothers and Tetris rightfully destroy a lot of games when judged by this criteria




I know and when based on their criteria they used for judging, I have no problem with those two as #1 and 2. However, I feel like that as games and systems evolve, there are better games that can replace those games as the best ever. So by my criteria, SMB and Tetris are still very good games, but not the two best ever. Honestly, Tetris was just a puzzle game that I'm pretty sure my buddy (Who is a computer Science major at UM) could make in not that long of a time. It was influential, but I feel like there are games that have passed it in terms of being the greatest ever.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Zimmer4141]
      #13199881 - 12/01/07 12:09 PM

I don't want to necessarily search through the top 100 at this time, but was "Alone in the Dark" in there?

I am assuming not, but that game, as far as I know, was the first real survival horror game and at the time was pretty neat.

I guess my question is, if that game didn't spawn survival horror-a pretty popular genre-, what are we giving credit for doing so...Resident Evil?


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: TehVader]
      #13200090 - 12/01/07 12:28 PM

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I can't belive Diablo 2 didn't make the list




yeah, omissions like these make my head hurt


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: g-bebe]
      #13200330 - 12/01/07 12:50 PM

I'm a sucker for SNES rpgs so I loved seeing Chrono Trigger and FFIII so high up, I still play CT to this day, I want to get all the 13 different endings LDO

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: TehVader]
      #13200448 - 12/01/07 01:00 PM

Don't know if Diablo II should have made the list, but Diablo I certainly should have.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Corpsebean]
      #13200609 - 12/01/07 01:11 PM

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Don't know if Diablo II should have made the list, but Diablo I certainly should have.




W/ Diablo 1 nothing distinguished the types of characters. The different skills each possessed in D2 was so much better, and the addition of 2 more classes w/ the expansion plus being able to equip your mercenary made it even more addicting.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: AceLuby]
      #13201784 - 12/01/07 02:43 PM

ALone in the dark was on the list somewhere.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: g-bebe]
      #13202713 - 12/01/07 03:53 PM

Wow no Diablo or Tekken

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: SoloAJ]
      #13202874 - 12/01/07 04:02 PM

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I don't want to necessarily search through the top 100 at this time, but was "Alone in the Dark" in there?

I am assuming not, but that game, as far as I know, was the first real survival horror game and at the time was pretty neat.

I guess my question is, if that game didn't spawn survival horror-a pretty popular genre-, what are we giving credit for doing so...Resident Evil?




It was there and Resident Evil was a little bit higher. It's kind of like Doom and Wolfenstein 3D...Doom gets all the credit because it's so far superior and only came out a little while afterwards. However, Alone in the Dark wasn't the beginning of survival horror anyway, as they say in the write-up (it's in the 80s or 90s).


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Yeti]
      #13203013 - 12/01/07 04:11 PM

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you have basically every other lucasarts adventure title in there yet no monkey island so i'm hoping it's in the top 10.




Totally spaced on this one, totally agree with this, if it didn't make it I'd be really surprised.

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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: JuntMonkey]
      #13203014 - 12/01/07 04:11 PM

I'll go look for ALone in the Dark to see the writeup.

Thanks guys.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: SoloAJ]
      #13203817 - 12/01/07 05:10 PM

imo Tetris Attack > Tetris.

Tetris Attack is so fun.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Jack of Arcades]
      #13205419 - 12/01/07 07:42 PM

Top 10 looked pretty much like people on here expected it seems. Civ 2, HL2, FF3, Zelda OOT and LTTP, SM63, Tetris and SMB.

Only one I pretty much beef with is Super Metroid at 7, and as much as I looooove RE4, think 10 is really high, but I think Im gonna replay that now that Im thinking about it, heh.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: AceLuby]
      #13208823 - 12/02/07 12:00 AM

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Don't know if Diablo II should have made the list, but Diablo I certainly should have.




W/ Diablo 1 nothing distinguished the types of characters. The different skills each possessed in D2 was so much better, and the addition of 2 more classes w/ the expansion plus being able to equip your mercenary made it even more addicting.




Which was neat, but they lost the atmosphere that Diablo I had, which is what made the game in the first place.

I mean the Diablo combat sucks anyhow, so giving me 50 different ways to hack up a bunch of sprites wasn't nearly as important as keeping that suspenseful and dark setting.

I imagine it also depends on previous RPGs you've played, etc. I was playing Everquest heavily at the time so none of the class stuff seemed like a very big deal.

But to each his own sir.


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Re: IGN Top 100 [Re: Corpsebean]
      #13211334 - 12/02/07 03:10 AM

Jesus christ, Tetris #2? that game really wasn't very fun. I could play that on my F'ing TI-83 calculator. This list has been considerably bad. I mean I understand Tetris has "withstood the test of time" but so has computer solitaire.

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