dynacraze
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We all make generalizations of people and I just have to say I just cannot stand Phil Laak's personality. He may act all funny or whatnot but he never really plays any hands besides big hands. He loves to ramble on and act like everything is good but whenever he is in a big hand, hes as quiet as a mouse. When Antonio ask Phil to straddle first, Phil goes i will if everyone agrees but I will not go first because some of you will say oh i was just kidding. C-MON phil, nobody's going to do that. Once they agree, you can't even trust them? He talking so much BS about it because he is such a chicken because he's afraid he will get a bad deal when obviously if the whole table agrees, it will happen and he is scared of going first
Then the hand where he had a set of 7s and Todd Brunson did that hand motion thing, Phil immediately got mad and went into such a hissy fit. He turned a game with a good atmosphere into a serious one. If you guys would get a chance to play a cash game with pros, would you want someone like Phil Laak in there? For me, its a hell no. This guy is all fun and laughter and BS when he's not in a hand but when he gets to play a hand, he is just too serious.
By the way, did Todd Brunson actually called the 10,400? I saw the call but the way announcers were saying it, i am not sure if Todd called the 10,400 to Laak. Yes, i know what Todd Brunson did should not happen but do you guys see Phil Laak's reaction. Man, he's happy and go lucky the entire show but in this one hand, he gets serious and to his "usual self."
And what makes me can't stand him the most is his BS comments. Things he said on that show included "I wonder what it is like to win"... WTF, you always win because you play ABC poker and never make any unabomber moves. But when you do, you usually stop firing after the flop or the turn. I have never seen him fire 3 shells at a pot before. I am surprised Mikey never said Laak never have the "heart" to fire 3 bullets because Laak is the least likely person to do so. I think even Antonio hates the way he talks. When was the last time i ever seen Phil Laak play a big pot on high stakes poker? Never that's why. If he did play, it is obviously the nuts or close to it. Gape Kaplan even said todd brunson knows Phil Laak's game pretty well which is why he didn't raise on the turn with the pair of Queens and a flush draw.
Throughout that whole show, Phil is talking all day when they are dealing out the cards and every single hand he folded on the show... yes i know only the good hands were shown. But when i was watching that hand with Brunson, Laak and the other guy with AK... i saw Brunson limped, the guy with AK raised and when I saw Phil Laak getting his chips to call, i just KNEW he had 44-88 and of course the hole cam showed pocket 7s.
Phil Laak is just way too predictable in cash games and the worst part about it is that he talks like a LAG but plays like a nit.
Does anyone else the same about him? I recall Josh Arieh said something similar about Laak and why he doesn't even play like any crazy unabomber. He just plays straightforward Tag with an annoying personality.
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BREWMANCHU
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Plus he deals drugs and puts hits on people in Thialand.
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charliecozz
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Aren't he and Antonio high all the time?
He can't be all bad if Antonio likes him.
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tame_deuces
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Cliff notes: OP doesn't like Phil Laak.
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theplux
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Phil is funny.
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CountChocula
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Laak is a clown and represents douchebaggery in poker. Unfortuantely it's paying off for him. I wouldn't trust Antonio and Laak playing on the same table...
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The B
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Laak & Humberto are tied for "douchiest and most annoying antics" in poker award
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Mr_Mxyztplk
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he acts like a typical trust fund kid.
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phydaux
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Well, be's banging Jennifer Tilly, so he's got two things going for him.
Two big, soft, things....
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BigSoonerFan
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Laak is a clown and represents douchebaggery in poker. Unfortuantely it's paying off for him. I wouldn't trust Antonio and Laak playing on the same table...
I like him. I think he's quite humerous sometimes and I think he really is a big kid out there with his comments, just having fun. Saying all that, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, or Antonio, but I like watching Antonio as well. I'll take both of 'em over Michael Vick.
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SmokeyRidesAgain
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Phil Laak would win against OP in hu4rollz no doubt.
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Then the hand where he had a set of 7s and Todd Brunson did that hand motion thing, Phil immediately got mad and went into such a hissy fit. He turned a game with a good atmosphere into a serious one.
If you believe someone is angle shooting you for ten thousand dollars, the good atmosphere is already gone in your mind.
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Scorcho
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[x] Would rather go drinking with Phil Laak than OP
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antonio salorio
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Phil is a great guy if you know him.Some people like his tv humer and some don't but the fact is he is a stand up guy who i trust and would lend a million any day of the week.
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pacino
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seems like a good guy
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Taso
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I don't know why you are complaining about him going quiet when he plays a hand. That's what most everyone does. You kid and joke when you aren't playing, and then when you play, you're in the hand, in the zone. Not sure what you are bitching about here.
Also, Laak wanted to know for future reference what the deal was with that angle shot Brunson did. Of course you get serious here, whassamattawityou?
I love having Laak at the table, as Kaplan first said, he's a master of conversation. I love all the "quadrant" talk he has.
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antonio salorio
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taso do i know you???
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GSykes
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lol
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Hipsdontlie69
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Phil is mad cuz he's not the one doing the cheating.
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Johnny Slippy
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I read this same post on pocket fives, about ten minutes ago. Who else did you complain about Phil Laak to? Did you also call your mother? The police?
J/K ... sort of... He's one of my favorites to see at the table, and a personal hero. (Pro poker player + Jen Tilly...FFS) I have seen him get very serious at the table too, but it's serious money, and it's always more of a shock to see the "nice" guys get pissed than someone like the brat.
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LGs0pHT
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Only thing I can remember is Phil Laak saying "You guys got all these special moves on how to play on the flop and stuff, I can't do that etc.etc." If you take it serious, you = lol.
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ronitonline
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Didnt read any of it, Phil is hilarious, he is fun, he is cool, and he owns you.
Enough said.
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Hipsdontlie69
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Phil is scumbag SOB
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beanie
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I can't say I know Phil much better than any of you but I can tell you that he is really like that in real life. Let me give you an example.
Phil on Phone: Is this Paul Nobles aka Beanie, because this is Phil Laak aka the unabomber.
No ordinary human talks like that. I don't think the thing with Todd got overblown it just appeared that way on TV but I said to my wife right as Todd it, "did you see that" and we rewinded. I honestly don't know of a casino you can do that in. Either way I think editing was a big part of that deal.
Also there are 2 schools of thought, you could almost consider it 3 really. There is the Phil Hellmuth/Jeff Lisandro types (bitter complainers), the Antonio/Laak/Negreanu types (put on a show to guarantee TV time) and the Howard Lederer types. If you like the last type you likely don't like the first two. But if you want to have a good time at a poker table the guys in the middle are solid gold and you will enjoy every second and when you are there you wouldn't find it obnoxious. That is part of what makes them all so good.
Edited by beanie (08/29/07 09:20 PM)
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Mandrik
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Phil seems like a good enough guy. He's entertaining at a table, which just makes the show more enjoyable to watch. He gets in with the best of it, and walks away with more $ than he started with. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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Arnold_O
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We all make generalizations of people and I just have to say I just cannot stand Phil Laak's personality. He may act all funny or whatnot but he never really plays any hands besides big hands. He loves to ramble on and act like everything is good but whenever he is in a big hand, hes as quiet as a mouse. When Antonio ask Phil to straddle first, Phil goes i will if everyone agrees but I will not go first because some of you will say oh i was just kidding. C-MON phil, nobody's going to do that. Once they agree, you can't even trust them? He talking so much BS about it because he is such a chicken because he's afraid he will get a bad deal when obviously if the whole table agrees, it will happen and he is scared of going first
you're an idiot if you call a guy who plays $300/600 NL a chicken.
laak doesn't seem to have a mean or spiteful bone in his body. how can you hate on a guy like that?
...and he wasn't mad at brunson. he just wanted a ruling. when you're playing for potentially 100's of thousands you want it clearly defined (brunson's fake call)
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Taso
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taso do i know you???
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bitbytebit
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I wish I could find the ep of PAD with laak and antonio and hellmuth. Funniest thing ever said and also some insight into how sharp he really is.
Everyone is joking, talking over each other etc..
There are several conversations going on, but one of them is about a bet with provisions (odds/stipulations/etc)
Suddenly Laak bursts out in total seriousness with some rapid fire staccato comments about the bet.
lol and then Phil hellmuth wants in on it too.
I know this comment is mostly worthless its so vague, but hopefully someone knows what im talking about.
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antonio salorio
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what is the ? for
do i know you??????
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phiphika1453
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It might just be me, but I get a vibe from Laak that he cant be trusted at all.
Maybe its the angle shooting stories that skew my thoughts of him, but he is just one of those I would NEVER trust.
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van_exel_fan
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So I guess OP just wants Laak off the show...
But there are players people like and dislike. Some people must really like Laak. Also, I hope more professional gamblers get exposed for shady pasts so that kids will not idolize professional gamblers...HELP
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pig4bill
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Also there are 2 schools of thought, you could almost consider it 3 really. There is the Phil Hellmuth/Jeff Lisandro types (bitter complainers), the Antonio/Laak/Negreanu types (put on a show to guarantee TV time) and the Howard Lederer types.
I doubt Laak does that stuff to put on a show to guarantee tv time because he's that way when there are no cameras around too.
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remski
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I think Laak's behaviour is the result of a significant predisposition to the personality trait labeled 'eccentricity'.
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diggla
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phil is a cool kid, nuff said
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Lessu
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where is the poll
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Spurious
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Maybe his playing style comes from the background as a stockstrader (or whatever he did at the wallstreet).
He can't be too nitty if he bets 1000$ with Antonio on what time it is, etc. He plays Rock, Paper, Scissors for 2000$ - what a nit...
It is just his style to play conservative, and yes he played a big pot with DN on season 2, i cant remember exactly but it was more than 100k I think, he won it though.
By the way he announced the 72 game on HSP4. I dont know why he doesnt straddle, but i think he knows that straddling doesnt help him, so why do it?
I like him, he's funny. He and Esfandiari are a great combo, they have fun at the table, although i like AE style of playing more.
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Gene Fish
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Hey Antonio...what kind of watch is that that you were wearing...that looked unbelievable! I enjoyed watching you play on TV...look forward to seeing more. Hope you kick ass next time!
Your new fan,
- Gene
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antonio salorio
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thank you,the watch i was wearing is a breitling,bently with a 10 carat bezzle
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Taso
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what is the ? for
do i know you??????
No. Well, you might, but my name is Taso in real life, so you'd know if you know me. Anyways, if you DO know me, and feel tempted to ship me some of your bankroll... 
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antonio salorio
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I thought you were someone else. Sure no problem type your account # and routeing # and it's on the way.
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Gene Fish
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I'll ship over some of mine too but I'll need a SS# and credit card # as Id verification
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Dalek
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Also there are 2 schools of thought, you could almost consider it 3 really. There is the Phil Hellmuth/Jeff Lisandro types (bitter complainers), the Antonio/Laak/Negreanu types (put on a show to guarantee TV time) and the Howard Lederer types. If you like the last type you likely don't like the first two. But if you want to have a good time at a poker table the guys in the middle are solid gold and you will enjoy every second and when you are there you wouldn't find it obnoxious. That is part of what makes them all so good.
I like the Lederer types because they seem like good guys and the hellmuth types because they're funny unless they take it too far (Tony G). I don't like Laak or Antonius much
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charliecozz
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He and Esfandiari are a great combo
They were great on PAD. Best episode I ever saw was when those 2 were heads up and Esfandiari called him a lucky irish prick.
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Taso
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I'll ship over some of mine too but I'll need a SS# and credit card # as Id verification
K, sent in PM.
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Gene Fish
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I'll ship over some of mine too but I'll need a SS# and credit card # as Id verification
K, sent in PM.
woah! the naked pic of yourself that you sent me was unnecessary
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Taso
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my bad.
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wstaffor
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I'll ship over some of mine too but I'll need a SS# and credit card # as Id verification
K, sent in PM.
woah! the naked pic of yourself that you sent me was unnecessary
though surely appreciated
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Scorcho
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I like how Brunson pulls the complete douchebag angle-shoot move and Phil Laak, merely wanting a ruling on whether that's allowable in case it happens again in the future, is branded as the a-hole.
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RichGangi
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Maybe it's because Phil Laak got a taste of his own medicine for once. What goes around comes around, as they say.
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NicksDad1970
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I like how Brunson pulls the complete douchebag angle-shoot move and Phil Laak, merely wanting a ruling on whether that's allowable in case it happens again in the future, is branded as the a-hole.
I asked a question earlier that noone really answered. If he does something that's totally within the rules how is that a bad thing? I'm not saying that as in anything goes. I'm really curious if it should be widely considered a douchey thing to do if it's within the rules.
Even if at that particular casino decides it is against the rules Gabe himself said that where Todd normally plays that move is allowed.
So if that's correct is it still douchey?
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Scorcho
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There's a lot of acts that are technically within the rules of many games and sports out there but that doesn't mean you should do them.
Stealing signs in baseball, for example.
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NicksDad1970
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There's a lot of acts that are technically within the rules of many games and sports out there but that doesn't mean you should do them.
Stealing signs in baseball, for example.
So in poker an angle shoot is defined as something within the rules that is frowned upon?
I remember one where a after a called bet on the river a guy would say "can you beat a straight?" hoping the other guy would fold when in fact the first guy never had a straight. He was just asking the other guy if he could beat one.
I guess if that's within the rules I totally agree with you.
But for me the bottom line is if it's legal where Todd normally plays (which really surprised me that any casino would allow that) then it was ok.
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ChrisCo
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About 6+ months ago it was reported Phil Laak did a somewhat similar angle shot in putting out huge denomination chips(5k i believe) and acted like they were 500s in a good size NL cash game on the river, only to have the guy call with two pair and Laak show the nuts.
Its not completely the same but both players are working around the rules to benefit themselves and decieve another player.
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Spurious
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I asked a question earlier that noone really answered. If he does something that's totally within the rules how is that a bad thing? I'm not saying that as in anything goes. I'm really curious if it should be widely considered a douchey thing to do if it's within the rules.
Even if at that particular casino decides it is against the rules Gabe himself said that where Todd normally plays that move is allowed.
So if that's correct is it still douchey?
Remember season 3 when Phil Laak asked Antonio to see the losing hand and Negreanu said: "One day someone will write a book about poker etiquette, and i will give you one to christmas".
Even if it is allowed it is still a no no.
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Lord_Strife
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I think it's a great meta-game manuver by him because people don't really understand that he's the tightest player in the game. People just don't acknowledge it. People that talk a lot at the table get unnecessary action and I've used this to my advantage plenty of times at the live poker table.
Also, what the hell is wrong with you regarding the Todd Brunson hand? First and foremost, he was way more respectful about the situation than I would have been because he didn't make a single reaction until Todd actually put the chips in the pot... and THEN after getting Dbaged by Todd he simply said that he just wanted to know what the rule is so that it doesn't happen again. He didn't accuse Todd of anything, he was a gentleman about it. I would have handled it differently and I would have told Todd directly how much I don't like what he did.
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primetime32
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Well, be's banging Jennifer Tilly, so he's got two things going for him.
Two big, soft, things....
The only thing more overrated than Laak's poker game is Jenniffer Tilly's looks.
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CountChocula
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Well, be's banging Jennifer Tilly, so he's got two things going for him.
Two big, soft, things....
The only thing more overrated than Laak's poker game is Jenniffer Tilly's looks.
BAM!
I agree, after all the last time I was with a female I noticed they all had two breasts? So you mean it's not just Tilly?
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Well, be's banging Jennifer Tilly, so he's got two things going for him.
Two big, soft, things....
The only thing more overrated than Laak's poker game is Jenniffer Tilly's looks.
We all know you'd still hit it
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stoodz
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Laak just plays a tight game. He clearly cares more about going home a consistent winner than he does about making sick plays.
He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
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He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
LOL.
i love all you guys that try and make statements of facts from what you see on TV.
i've played with laak and he's all for some degen prop action.
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Laak just plays a tight game. He clearly cares more about going home a consistent winner than he does about making sick plays.
You say this like its a bad thing...
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He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
He has a TV show.
Which is based.
On Prop betting.
An entire show.
About prop betting.
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Ramon Scott
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In professional high stakes games, what Brunson did is regarded as acceptable and part of the game. Releasing chips is considered the move "The Big Game."
In low, medium and modest high stakes casino games, it is not.
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Spurious
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He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
LOL.
i love all you guys that try and make statements of facts from what you see on TV.
i've played with laak and he's all for some degen prop action.
He loves betting, at least that's what i think. The show I Bet You, on PAD he said that he bets with Antonio on all kinds of stuff.
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He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
LOL.
i love all you guys that try and make statements of facts from what you see on TV.
i've played with laak and he's all for some degen prop action.
THE MAN HAS HIS OWN SHOW CALLED "I BET YOU" WTF ELSE DO YOU WANT FROM HIM
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He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
LOL.
i love all you guys that try and make statements of facts from what you see on TV.
i've played with laak and he's all for some degen prop action.
THE MAN HAS HIS OWN SHOW CALLED "I BET YOU" WTF ELSE DO YOU WANT FROM HIM
I think they want him to shut up and put out the straddle.
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He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
LOL.
i love all you guys that try and make statements of facts from what you see on TV.
i've played with laak and he's all for some degen prop action.
THE MAN HAS HIS OWN SHOW CALLED "I BET YOU" WTF ELSE DO YOU WANT FROM HIM
I think they want him to shut up and put out the straddle.
I like most of his talk. If Phil and Todd don't want to straddle, that's their option. Some guys are there to gamble and some are there to play poker. You can't please everyone.
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icemanjmw
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Phil Laak is just way too predictable in cash games and the worst part about it is that he talks like a LAG but plays like a nit.
Does anyone else the same about him? I recall Josh Arieh said something similar about Laak and why he doesn't even play like any crazy unabomber. He just plays straightforward Tag with an annoying personality.
First if he's so predictable, why does he play in a game with some of the best in the world and constantly win money. ? Second, what's wrong with playing a TAG game but trying to give off the impression that you're a gambler?
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do you cry at a good film?
how about in public? still crying?
now how about soap operas?
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I can't stand him either. Mainly because he obv tries too hard to get attention/be funny.
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EL Burro Loco
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He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
He has a TV show.
Which is based.
On Prop betting.
An entire show.
About prop betting.
Also, there was a mention in Bluff... by Antonio about how Phil took some kids prop bet at a big tourney... the kid offered 500 for a 50k flip and Phil took it. And lost.
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When Antonio ask Phil to straddle first, Phil goes i will if everyone agrees but I will not go first because some of you will say oh i was just kidding. C-MON phil, nobody's going to do that. Once they agree, you can't even trust them?
It seemed to me that he was saying he wanted everybody to verbally say that they would straddle. Did you notice that Brunson only said he wouldn't do it when he was deliberately asked? Maybe they edited out him saying something before that, but from the reactions of everybody else that seems unlikely.
Gee, what a loser. Before he agrees to do a -EV move, he want's everybody else to agree to the same thing to make it =EV. What a prick.
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I can't stand him either. Mainly because he obv tries too hard to get attention/be funny.
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THE MAN HAS HIS OWN SHOW CALLED "I BET YOU" WTF ELSE DO YOU WANT FROM HIM
why the [censored] are you quoting my response???
are you having trouble with reading comprehension???
I SAID I'VE PLAYED WITH LAAK AND HE'S ALL FOR (READ: IN FAVOR OF) SOME DEGEN PROP BETTING.
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He's also one of the few that disapprove of the prop betting. I know prop betting is =EV, but the fact that they have to do it seems a bit degenerate. Playing for hundreds of thousands isn't enough action?
He has a TV show.
Which is based.
On Prop betting.
An entire show.
About prop betting.
Also, there was a mention in Bluff... by Antonio about how Phil took some kids prop bet at a big tourney... the kid offered 500 for a 50k flip and Phil took it. And lost.
I think I read that in one of the magazines. It was +EV. High variance definitely, but +EV.
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Phil is a great guy if you know him.Some people like his tv humer and some don't but the fact is he is a stand up guy who i trust and would lend a million any day of the week.
Oh Hey Antonio it's Phil Laak here! Just fake nicking so I can read these posts about me LOL. Mind shipping a cool million over FTP? There are some sweet token frenzys going on, i'll pm you my screen name ciao.
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If you ever saw him on Live@TheBike, he played a really safe game.
He tried to limp his way into a trapping hand the whole time. His preflop game was nonexistant with big to mid pairs.
He tries to trap too much, I think. He doesn't really change gears.
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The problem with Phil Laak is that his noise volume is way too high for the overall amount of hands he plays. The rocks shouldn't act like the clowns. Besides that I don't care about table-image on HSP and stuff. They all know how he plays, regardless how he displays himself at the table.
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[x] Would rather go drinking with Phil Laak than OP
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Few points:
1. Todd was messing with Laak precisely because Laak is an angle shooting scumbag. Todd is one of the true good guys in poker, and the best player at that HSP table. That wasn't a move Todd would pull on just anyone. Probably very few would deserve it, and Laak is one of them.
2. Tilly talks like a little girl.
3. Laak's "personality" really isn't. In the real world, histrionics about every little thing quickly get super old. Maybe makes good TV for the 1st time viewer or casual fan, but ultimately Laak seems only to crave attention for pointing out the obvious with overacting while playing boring nitty poker.
4. Tilly is 48 years old.
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Todd is one of the true good guys in poker, and the best player at that HSP table.
I don't agree at all. He might be the best all around player in that table but not the best NLHE player.
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Esfandiari is the best player at the table imo. Matusow is good, too.
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Did Laak try and angle shoot AGAIN last night with the 10k bet from the new guy?
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dynacraze
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hell yeah he did. He's trying to see the turn for 5K even though he knows verbal bets are binding. Even the other players said he declared 10K. Why do i never get paid with my big hands and can't bluff? It's because everyone knows your a NIT. Damn i think he plays poker tighter those 12 tabling nits on full tilt.
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dynacraze
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Some things that I was LOL at were.
1. Phil complaining and saying "Why do i never get paid off when i have a big hand yet i cannot bluff the other players?" Ummm, its cause your a nit and every player at the table knows it. Even Antonio said wow i got 24K off of Laak that is pretty hard. I even know Laaks range of hands when he calls preflop.
2. Phil trying to angle-shoot against the hedge fund manager. Is this the 3rd time i have heard of this? He clearly said 10K bet when he mistakenly put 5K. Phil knows verbal bets are binding yet tries to see the turn for 5K. Even the other players at the table said he said 10K. Maybe thats why Todd Brunson tried to angle shoot Phil Laak because Laak deserves it. Todd knows Laak does that to many people and we see it again on this shown. And LOL at Laak folding on the turn for 20K when the pot was total 50K. He had a flush draw and the hedge fund manager gave him still good odds to call. He might even have raised but there is no way folding is an option. I don't even think a 12 tabling full tilt Nit would fold on the turn. He also had position too on the hedge fund manager too. He is just playing so scared.
3. Phil Hellmuth calling out Laak's hand when Mikey raised with 99 and Laak thought and folded preflop. Hellmuth said AJs huh and it was AJo. Laak is way too predictable
4. Laak calling preflop with A10 and missing the flop. He goes why did i put 1800 into the flop? UMM, laak do you expect to hit every single damn flop?
5. Laak right b4 folding to the Hedge fund manager says oh its so sick... so gross. The only thing that is sick and gross is you keep saying the same thing over and over again. "You trying to bluff me kid" "If i fold, you are going to show me 72o or 44 right?" LOL.... then call Phil if you think he is doing this. Man you KNOW he doesn't have those hands. And even if you think 80 percent he did, there is no way you would call because i have never seen you make those kind of calls before. And when he had 22 against Antonio's QQ, he said after getting reraised on the flop, goes "this would be a sicker call than Mikey's with 44". Too bad, you will you will NEVER make those type of calls.
To anyone that watched high stakes poker yesterday, I am pretty sure you can agree with most of this. I can see why people call him a scumbag.
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dynacraze
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and whats up with him looking under Mikeys cards when mikey had 44. If someone did that to Phil Laak, Phil would go and get all mad probably. He thinks a joke and its pretty cool that matasow didnt get upset bc mike is a cool guy. But if the samet thing happened to laak say mike did it, i can guarantee you Laaks expression will completely change
And right after he loses the hand, he goes it will take aother 3 months to beat Antonio? Umm, everytime i see you and Antonio on the show, you are ALWAYS UP. then Antonio goes you will win it back and Laak goes 20K? That will take a while. Man, Matasow loses 20k a hand but doesnt whine. But when Laak loses one hand, its like the end of the world to him. His constant bs is really annoying. When you watch the 2 play, dont u guys agree Laak usuaully is up more than Antonio?
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beanie
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Did Laak try and angle shoot AGAIN last night with the 10k bet from the new guy?
lol, I love the way angle shoot gets thrown around so easily. Classic! He didn't even make that big of a deal, he just asked the question.
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LGs0pHT
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Most people complaining about Laaks style here really don't seem to understand anything in poker.
If you have a table full of guys raising and reraising each other with high-value hands like 72o and 52s, it is not such a bad idea to tighten up before the flop.
In the same time you build up a conservative image and can take chances later. Just think about that J5 bluff on Cash Poker that Laak made.
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bitbytebit
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Laak is playing scared because he is broke from paying off the thailand dude
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jjshabado
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Dynacraze seems to have some Phil Laak issues... Did you spend all day thinking about Phil Laak?
1. If he were a nit and everyone knew it, he should be able to make successful bluffs.
2. He wasn't arguing about the verbal declaration being binding. He asked if the chips were out first (in which case the verbal declaration is meaningless). Sure it was kind of nitty, but its not an angleshoot to call a player on breaking the rules. In this case when everybody said he said 10K first, he backed off.
3. Meh.
4. Yeah, no poker player ever complains about missing a hand... I swear if I could change one thing in the poker world it would be outlawing the new catch phrase of "one time".
5. I think it was a bad fold. I don't think its bad that he'll never make a call like Matusows. That was pretty bad.
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Daddy Warbucks
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Did Laak try and angle shoot AGAIN last night with the 10k bet from the new guy?
lol, I love the way angle shoot gets thrown around so easily. Classic! He didn't even make that big of a deal, he just asked the question.
No, he tried saying he said "10" after he put the chips. 2 different people even commented on Laak's antics, Benza in the booth and Haralabos at the table.
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karlwig
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What's with all the Laak-hating here? Come on, the guy's funny and he definately adds a nice twist to the show. Yes, he can be a little hysterical and a little nitty, but he isn't the only one.
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Sometimes I think people here would rather watch a table full of Todd Brunsons.
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Did Laak try and angle shoot AGAIN last night with the 10k bet from the new guy?
lol, I love the way angle shoot gets thrown around so easily. Classic! He didn't even make that big of a deal, he just asked the question.
No, he tried saying he said "10" after he put the chips. 2 different people even commented on Laak's antics, Benza in the booth and Haralabos at the table.
I am just saying, I know people who know you well and I mentioned the way you talk on 2+2 and they were shocked. I highly doubt that you would be so cavalier calling someone an angle shooter in person.
That is all I am saying. Phil went to great lengths to cool all of the "Todd Brunson, is an angle shooter" talk, yet he doesn't get that same treatment.
I can't imagine Haralabos thinks of Laak as an angle shooter. You say it like "two people said it", two people explained it to him, they didn't reprimand him.
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I am just saying, I know people who know you well and I mentioned the way you talk on 2+2 and they were shocked. I highly doubt that you would be so cavalier calling someone an angle shooter in person.
I think you definitely have me confused with somebody else(maybe Schneids?). I don't live in the States, nor does anybody you'd have talked to know me well. I don't play live.
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I can't imagine Haralabos thinks of Laak as an angle shooter. You say it like "two people said it", two people explained it to him, they didn't reprimand him.
The two quotes went something to the effect of
Benza "ahhh, come on, no controversy, please!"
Haralabos "(sigh) i've seen this movie before......"
That doesn't sound like they're explaining anything, more like they're tired of Laak.
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He is the least entertaining person to watch play poker for me so far. (HSP)
He has two personas. He either runs around acting like a retarded Jerry Lewis or he's a babbling nit.
Thank god no pushups yet... Yes, Todd Brunson is a bore but I guess I just don't like Laak personality on tv. No doubt hes probably a great guy...
maybe if he would just shut up?
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beanie
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I do have you confused with Schneids. That is my bad.
I know Phil pretty good and he is one of the more genuine guys you will meet. Haralabos and Phil are good friends, so I think you are misinterpreting his statement.
I thought I was the only guy that liked Benza in the whole world but you have to realize there is a lot of editing with this stuff.
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I do have you confused with Schneids. That is my bad.
I know Phil pretty good and he is one of the more genuine guys you will meet. Haralabos and Phil are good friends, so I think you are misinterpreting his statement.
I thought I was the only guy that liked Benza in the whole world but you have to realize there is a lot of editing with this stuff.
Wait why am I being mentioned in all of this?
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Daddy Warbucks
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He thought i was you, because of your Stars name. Although how he still knew your name was Schneids here is confusing to me.
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chicagoY
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I agree, he's a tool.
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chicagoY
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ditto!
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dynacraze
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PhiL Laak on episode 4 after playing only 1 hand even though its edited i know after losing the hand..."I have officially joined the ranks of the guys who lost 20K with 27." "So painful"
LOL. I saw everyone on the table lose a hand trying it with 72 but they just folded quietly and didnt even show. Whereas Phil Laak needs to representlook at me I am taking a gamble. Damn what a nit. Phil in case u didnt know, your the only one who never even tried doing it with 72. Everybody in the table lost with 72 before. Is your nittyness causing you to make this a big announcement or something?
And good of Mikey to say finally we get you to put a bad chip in the game since Laak is super tight with that annoying attitude. I know Todd Brunson is nitty too but he is no where as worst as Phil Laak.
Gabe Kaplan goes "Phil Laak likes it when other people gamble" Lol. I love seeing Phil Laak lose pots. I dont really hate people but I just like it when Laak gets it. Am i a bad person? I know a lot of ppl in the last episode thread agree with me on this.
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would rather molest his gf than OP
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dynacraze
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Did you guys see when Phil Laak raised Antonio with 22 to Tonio's QQ. Later on in the hand he goes so sick i play so bad. Then says some bs stuff like now its giong to take 3 months to win a hand against Antonio. LOL. Then Tonio says you the best Phil. You going to win. Of course Laak goes yea right for 20,000 dollar more, I doubt it and then curses where the tv beeps it.
Man this guy is scummy. If he wins another pot against Antonio, he wont be satisifed unless its at least 20000. Antonio knkows how to have fun and play poker at same time. Laak on the other hand is a scummy and nitty player. I have no idea why Antonio is friends with a guy like this who always wants to win more than the other person and has a piss off mood if he doesnt. When Antonio loses he gets mad a little bit like normal players. But Laak is the type of player that wants revenge from my point of view.
F Phil Laak.
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There's a lot of acts that are technically within the rules of many games and sports out there but that doesn't mean you should do them.
Stealing signs in baseball, for example.
lol, stealing signs in baseball is 100% part of the game. what todd did was much more bush league.
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bi11 frist
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dynacraze, say antonio is cool and phil laak is a big scumbag is kind of silly. anotnio and laak are total BFF's. if you respect antonio then u should probably respect his decision to befriend laak
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LGs0pHT
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[x] Phil Laak is one of the best. Period. I love his weird behaviour and attitude 100%.
Agree?
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jjshabado
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I love how angry Phil Laak makes dynacraze. I'm not a Phil Laak lover, but half of dynacraze's posts are just thing that every player says.
Don't worry man, I have an overpowering hatred of Drew Carey so I know where you're coming from.
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dynacraze
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Hmmm, i can see why u hate Drew Carey as well. He looks like he has a bad side to him. BUt back to Laak
Phil Laak touches peoples money and cards but when someone did that to him, i think it was Jen Harman, he said something along the llines of "Don't ever touch my cards ever again" and had this really mean look on his face. Does anyone know when this occurred?
Phil Laak is such a tight ass that talks so loose. Anytime he loses 1 hand, its like the end of the world for him. I have joined the ranks of ppl who lost 20K with 27. Ohter guys did that but folded whne unsucesful. Laak on the other hand needs to show it that he lost. I LOVE it when this guy is in a hand and loses.
And look at what happened when he lost to Antonio with 22 vs Tonios QQ and folded. Gabe says hmmm Laak might think Anotion has 72. I DONT CARE IF LAAK THINKS ANTONIO WAS BLUFFING WITH 72. Laak definitely is bsing and we all know he doesnt have the balls to make a call. Then you guys saw how he said now i am going to take 3 months to win aagainst Antonio and say for 20,000 more.... i doubt it. Then curses and leaves the table.
He is such a LOOSE TALKING NIT. Then got the nerves to say 2500 dollars is grocery dollars when if he bets 2500, he takes it so seriously. I have some friends that are like this too. When i make bets, they say its nothing. Like if i make 300 dollar bets, they say its nothing. Yet when they spent 5 dollar on something... they go wow that a lot.
These are terrible people and i have some of these friends. They are mad cheap yet when you spend a lot, they say hey its nothing.
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LGs0pHT
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There is no reason to play loose at the table. There is a lot of action going on anyway. Plus he builds his tight image. I am pretty sure that we will see some more special moves in later episodes.
Furthermore no matter what he plays, he has to represent Weird Phil Laak on TV.
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DrewDevil
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Pretty sure that anyone who has a chip protector that is himself is a huge douche.
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Did you guys see when Phil Laak raised Antonio with 22 to Tonio's QQ. (..clip..)
A notorious thief and angle shooter with an expert slight-of-hand magician who have lived together for years.
IMO at a minimum they're splitting W/L - He's just taking shots with his partner to appear less nitty.
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TimWillTell
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Season 4 first episode;
Phil Laak revealed to me his soul when he lost 18000 dollars in a pot to a well respected player and said:"that's 18000 dollars down the drain!"
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TimWillTell
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Season 4 first episode;
Phil Laak revealed to me his soul when he lost 18000 dollars in a pot to a well respected player and said:"that's 18000 dollars down the drain!"
It wasn't season 4, sorry about that.
It was season 3, one of the last episodes, at the very moment he said "Thats 18000 dollars down the drain" he was up 200 grand in that session!
Double cheers!
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Vegaas
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I really dont get some of you guys. Phil tends to get his money in with the best of it and you guys make it sound like its a bad thing. Isnt the point of poker just that, get your money in when your ahead? If you dont think so, then you are welcome at my game anytime.
Also, wtf is with everyone using the term "nit" all of a sudden? You sound like my grandmother.
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TheCount212
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You've posted 8 times in two years, and THIS burning "issue" moves you to the keyboard???? LOL
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Vegaas
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Thats right. I use my posts very judiciously, so when I do post it obviously is well thought and should carry alot of weight. Either that or I am board at work.
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RandomUser
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It is definitely a douche move, and I'm not sure it was ever answered as to whether or not it was legal at this particular casino.
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RandomUser
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I just came across a blog from Phil where he discusses in detail this exact hand. It was definitely enlightening.
http://www.alwaysbluff.com/blog/phil-laa...poker-season-4/
Cliffnotes:
He doesn't think Brunson is an angle shooter.
Casinos are split on whether or not forward motion constitutes a bet/call.
Brunson called of his own volition.
The edited video was done poorly and made the situation look more dramatic than it actually was.
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