I just saw zj's new handle...This is kinda cruel. I hate cheating and I'm glad these kids are getting busted, but I'm not happy about it. All you people who are gloating and smirking about this situation in this thread are just envious pricks. I've seen a cheater get the [censored] kicked out of him irl, and believe me, it's just as sad, despite the justice of the situation.
Quote: Microbob, Giving him any funds back at all, would be a massive PR-mistake. Even if it was in secrecy, the risk of it leaking would be too big. Party is smart enough to know this. His money is lost.
I agree it would probably be a mistake.
but we just don't know all the details and are making some assumptions here.
Yup...based on what you and I are imagining party will find it is likely that his money his lost.
But I also though OJ would be going to jail for killing his wife.
Crazy things happen.
If you were Zee in this situation there is no way you would be admitting what you did....because there is still that chance that the money isn't completely lost.
And, I stand by my point that there may be other Zee accounts that party just hasn't found yet (and perhaps never will)
These accounts have been systematically used to enter the same Multi Table Tournaments as a żteamż, in a deception that is in direct violation of our Terms and Conditions.
Although registered in different names, these accounts have been created with the sole intention of playing as multiple accounts in the same tournaments. All six accounts were consistently logged into at the same time from the same IP/System and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.
A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close these accounts permanently and confiscate all funds. I would ask that you do not attempt to open any further accounts with our company, as these will be closed and any monies therein will be deemed forfeited.
Furthermore, please be informed that we have withdrawn your PPMV Cruise Package and you will no longer appear on the passenger list.
Steve Winter Manager, Investigations Team
Yes, itís true. I did use these accounts to enter multiple accounts in the same multi table tournaments. I have never done this in a tournament with less than 1,000 players.
I have been at the same table as myself. For what itís worth, my standard protocol has been to increase my number of tables when this happens. As most of you know, I will very rarely be playing fewer than six tables at a time. If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage. With 10 tables open, I just play tight and solid. I canít even remember the hole cards one account folded after the flop, and Iím certainly unable to pay special attention to that table. After talking to Curtains, I realize my standard play should have been to sit one account out when this happens, but I want to make it clear that I never used collusion to my advantage, never chip dumped, or did anything of the sort.
However, what Party emailed me is wrong on several subjects. First of all, the accounts were NOT created solely for MTT use. They were originally created for SNG play. It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage. These accounts all did very well in the big SNGs on PartyPoker.
N82 referred to a hack that let you open multiple Party clients. I have no clue how no one has mentioned this yet, but no such hack was necessary. This is important, so listen up.
All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.
Using this bug, I was able to play multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time. I would be in a step 5 on one name, while playing a mini step 5 on another, and no one would ever suspect that it was me.
All of the money that was seized from me was from sitínígo play where nothing unethical was done. I never entered multiple accounts into the same sitínígo, never colluded with anyone, never soft played anyone and never chip dumped with anyone.
The other accounts I used never had any big MTT scores. Combined, I am pretty sure they were all long-term losers in the few MTTís they played. Despite this, almost $100,000 was seized from my accounts.
For those of you that feel safe because my money was taken, open up your eyes. This money will not be returned to the players in any way. PartyPoker is keeping it because they can, just like they did with JJProdigyís $40,000, and just like they will do to you when you get caught.
I know what youíre thinking right now, ďI wonít get caught, because I didnít do anything wrong.Ē
First of all, that doesnít matter. PartyPoker reserves the right to take your money for any reason at any time (although I should point out that this does not make it legal).
Secondly, almost all of you have broken the rules at some point. How many of you have created a second account for rakeback? Neither creating a second account nor receiving rakeback is allowed. Both are expressly forbidden. Maybe youíll see things my way once all your money is seized for doing that. If Iím a cheater, so are you.
If you are a saint like CSC claims to be, kudos to you. You are in the minority, and are certainly upstanding citizens. I commend you on following Partyís rules and not receiving rakeback. Most of us are too greedy to pass up money that easy.
Furthermore, I would like to point out, that I did NOT break the rules.
Quote: 5. True Identity and One Account.
The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account. If you have more than one (1) Account or Accounts in different names, then you must contact us immediately to have your Accounts managed so that you only have one (1). If you have lost your Account name or password, please contact us for a replacement.
I have one account. That account is named ZeeJustin. My brother also has an account named Bernard61 (formerly jwilson55), and I have used that account quite often. No where in Partyís rules does it say you cannot use someone elseís account. Iím sure many of you have used friendsí accounts before, and there is nothing wrong with this. People will often take over MTTís for friends that have unforeseen obligations.
I do think what Iíve done is unethical, and I certainly regret doing it, however, I need to point out that no where in Partyís rules is it stated that you cannot enter multiple accounts into the same tournament. Not only do they not forbid it, but to open multiple clients on the same PC, all you have to do is click the icon a bit more rapidly than normal. Great work PartyPoker.
To further show how corrupt PartyPoker is, here is an email I got today from my affiliate manager.
Dear Justin, We hereby give you notice that we are terminating our Standard Affiliate Agreement (the ďAgreementĒ) with you. Clause 5.3 of the Agreement states that we are entitled to terminate our Agreement without cause immediately upon this written notice to you. We will also be exercising our right under clause 5.3 to terminate all trackers that you have with us. We ask that you familiarize yourself with clause 5.5 of the Agreement which sets out the effects of termination. We require you to stop promoting our Site and you are no longer entitled to use our Marketing Materials. We also remind you that the obligation of confidentiality and non-disclosure shall, amongst other things, survive the termination of the Agreement. Yours sincerely PartyGaming Sarah Hunter Affiliate Relations PartyGaming Marketing (UK) Email: firstname.lastname@example.org London Office +44 (0) 20 7337 0100 18 King William Street, London, EC4N 7BP www.partygaming.com This email is sent by PartyGaming Marketing (UK), a provider of services to PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar). The contents of this email may be subject to approval by an authorized representative of PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar). The information contained in this email, and any attachments hereto, is strictly confidential and solely intended for use by the individual(s) and/or entity(s) to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the System Manager at email@example.com as soon as possible
I have not broken the affiliate agreement in any way shape or form, so PartyPoker is using good old clause 5.3 to stop paying me simply because they can. If this makes you feel safe, you are being completely illogical. It can and will happen to more people, this I guarantee. Youíre not safe at all.
In conclusion, I want to make it clear that I regret what I did, and have done somethings that were unethical. Despite this, PartyPokerís actions are unreasonable, and their power to take the same actions against you should not be taken lightly. This rampage that PartyPoker is on will certainly not end with me. So whatever you do, be careful.
I am neither gloating nor smorking. I just think it's a good move for online poker to take care of these cheats.
The rest of the message is made under the assumption that PP was right and that zee has cheated.
Now, I don't want to get the **** kicked out of him either. No criminal charges, no jail sentences. Let's leave that to the rapists and murderers. I just want PP to confiscate his winnings from past tournaments and that he be banned from playing poker ONLINE.
Let him make a honest living like most people do in this world. He is young (and a bit naive), he will learn - I hope, for his sake.