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Re: who's buying Citigroup [Re: PRE]
      #13164919 - 11/29/07 12:14 AM

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Maybe, but Citigroup is run by a bunch of morons. Just compare the costs of their recent debt and equity financing to see what I'm talking about.




Nice how you call the morons after the fact. Thanks for playing!


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Re: who's buying Citigroup [Re: Phone Booth]
      #13165468 - 11/29/07 12:54 AM

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Too good to be true? The company takes out what amounts to a subprime mortgage, and pays 11% interest. That sure sounds like desparation. Too good to be true, lol.




It's actually a great deal for Citi, all things considered. Thinking of this as paying 11% in interest is entirely misleading, given that the mandatory conversion provision.




Yeah, so that after the conversion, it's highly dilutive. Nice.


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Re: who's buying Citigroup [Re: stoxtrader]
      #13165526 - 11/29/07 12:57 AM

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Too good to be true? The company takes out what amounts to a subprime mortgage, and pays 11% interest. That sure sounds like desparation. Too good to be true, lol.




You are trying to make a complex transaction seem too simplistic.

Jimbo




Maybe, but Citigroup is run by a bunch of morons. Just compare the costs of their recent debt and equity financing to see what I'm talking about.




I think when you call the citi mgmt team a bunch of morons, the onus of proof falls on your shoulders, not anyone else. The mgmt team, I daresay, has a pretty good pedigree. there may be slightly more than meets the eye to this transaction.

In any event, I would welcome a post by you with thoughtful reasons to backup your statements.




Morons, maybe not. Excessively greedy and imprudent, certainly. Inadequate, or no DD on a lot of garbage paper. And then trying to hide it by putting off the writedowns as long as possible.


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