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fishfather
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Re: 3/6 nl call off my stack here? [Re: MrHoobris]
#13192051 - 11/30/07 06:58 PM

yeah villain's range is heavily weighted toward a set but even so I guess a push is best. Didn't do a very good job adjusting my flop plan once sb raised.

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tuckercat
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Re: 3/6 nl call off my stack here? [Re: MrHoobris]
#13192503 - 11/30/07 07:40 PM

i'm not a big fan of pushing at best 50% equity this deep. personally, i dump it on the flop if you feel like you have no FE. as played, i can't see how you're considering calling on the turn. fold.

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quickfetus
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Re: 3/6 nl call off my stack here? [Re: fishfather]
#13194365 - 11/30/07 10:24 PM

I'd 100% push flop second time around. You'd have to ask a math guy what to do on the turn

. I'd prolly call.

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ipokeder
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Re: 3/6 nl call off my stack here? [Re: quickfetus]
#13194833 - 11/30/07 11:03 PM

yeah i also don't like pushing the flop. every time you get it in you're either vs a dominating draw or a set which both are ahead, or sometimes you'll get it in vs twopair against which you're almost a flip. considering you have next to nothing invested, getting it in here is just stupid

i don't have it in me to fold though so i'd call probably

i'd much rather raise the initial donk than the overraise.

Edited by ipokeder (11/30/07 11:03 PM)

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AsydRayne
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Re: 3/6 nl call off my stack here? [Re: fishfather]
#13195137 - 11/30/07 11:35 PM

With zero fold equity, you need 45% equity to shove the flop. You don't have it.
Board: 8h Ad 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.158% 39.11% 00.05% 6969 9.00 { 6d5d }
Hand 1: 60.842% 60.79% 00.05% 10833 9.00 { 88-77, A8s-A7s, KdQd, Kd8d, JdTd, Td9d, 9d8d, 87s }

To make the turn call, you need 32% equity, which, assuming he bets pot with the exact same range on the turn, you do have.

Board: 8h Ad 7d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.258% 38.26% 00.00% 303 0.00 { 6d5d }
Hand 1: 61.742% 61.74% 00.00% 489 0.00 { 88-77, A8s-A7s, KdQd, Kd8d, JdTd, Td9d, 9d8d, 87s }

If he slows down with some two pair and drawing hands you don't have the equity to make the call.

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mendacity
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Re: 3/6 nl call off my stack here? [Re: AsydRayne]
#13203880 - 12/01/07 05:16 PM

ipoker,

Isn't your action with opsfd also important in regard to your plan with big hand (sets, 2p)

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