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Dan Bitel
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**uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:**
      #7886535 - 11/01/06 03:21 PM

NL is a complex game. We all know this. Sure, you get 2 cards, but the game is far more than just the 2 in your hand and the 5 on the board. For the next few weeks, uNL is going to have a concept of the week thread discussing a certain concept or theory in NL Hold'em.

In this thread you should post HH's showing situations where the concept was applied effectively as well as examples of poor usage of the concept. Also, please debate over various aspects of the concept and it's pro's and con's.

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Week 2, 3-betting light


What is 3-betting light?

Firstly, I guess, we have to establish what a 3-bet is. Its a term used here to describe preflop (although can also describe post flop). And it is basically just a reraise. So an example is if UTG raises to 4BB and I then in UTG+1 reraise to 12BB, that would be a 3-bet.

OK, next, what is the "light" part about? Well, most players when they start to play poker to a decentish level tend to only reraise (3-bet) very strong hands preflop. Something like QQ+ and sometimes AK and that's about it. 3-betting light means that you do it with some weaker hands as well, like AQ, 66, 78s etc etc.



Why do we 3-bet light?

Theres a few reasons here. The main 2 though are for image/shania/metagame and b/c cbets = $$$$$$.

I'm sure every1 says that pushing a combo draw is so good because now you can play your sets the same way and get looked up light. Now I'm sorry, but this is really a bit of BS. Good players realise exactly what you were doing, so they will think nothing of it. And bad players don't fold TP+ anyway. Not to mention that people are still too scared to play their sets mega fast a lot of the time anyway.

BUT when you 3bet light, it REALLY REALLY affects the way villains view you. When you showdown 79s after 3betting preflop, it make you look like a maniac, BUT they still have no idea how to respond. They start to call you down a lot lighter (so obv you have to readjust your frequencies)

Now onto the cbet=$$$ point. You know how when you raise preflop and cbet the flop normally, you get looked up by bottom pair, gutshots etc. All sorts of trash, after all, you have AK, right? BUT, in rr pots, things work differently. Every1 puts you on AA all of a sudden. So, they call preflop b/c they think they have implied odds and they try and get a good flop with their 78s or their 22. But they c/f the flop all the time unless they flop a set or 2pair or whatever.



Important note on cbeting in reraised pots:

DO NOT BET AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD DO IN A NORMAL POT! Your cbets in reraised pots should be between 1/2 pot and 2/3 pot, NOT more. The reasons for this is that normally you either have air as you're 3-betting light and so we dont have to take it down as often if we bet less. OR we have a very good hand, and due to pot/stack size ratio, we can get AI very easily by not betting all that much.

Who to 3-bet light, with what hands and in what position?

I can't stress how important reads are when 3-betting light. You firstly need to know how light some1 is raising. Theres not point 3betting light, if the guy who raised is a 11/3 preflop type, or even a 60/5 preflop type. The typed you want to go for are the 30/20 types, or even the 22/17 TAGs. Although a 70/50 player will raise too lightly, he'll also be calling raises to light and not folding to cbets, so he's not a good person to 3bet light.

Also, try to get a read on what their calling ranges of 3bets are and how they play postflop after calling. If they call a lot preflop and play fit or fold postflop, 3bet these guys. If they 4bet light and c/r bluff a lot of flops with a good frequency, dont 3bet lighgt these guys.

This is mainly common sence, but is SOOO important.

The hands you should be 3betting with are ones that CAN win you a big pot. So 78s, 33 etc. Also, hands that have good showdown value, like AQ, KQs etc.

Position is also quite important. Remeber that people raise way looser on the button that UTG etc. Also, when you have position, you can check behind some flops for pot control etc.




Anything Else?

One of the keys to 3-betting light is playing well is rr pots. This needs reads. You need to understand pot control and your image well. I really recomment that you just have a go and practice makes perfect. Maybe drop down a level if you're a bit scared. And if you need some help on hands in rr pots, just pots them, or PM a few to some1 you respect, and I's sure they'll help you out


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Here is where we are supposed to put example hands. But the beuaty of 3betting light is that we make most our money when every1 folds preflop or when they fold to a cbet on the flop, so theres littly point me posting those. Instead I will post a few hands that I won BECAUSE I 3bet light. But all, feel free to post hands you won or lost:

This guy is a 23/16 TAG, who I had been 3betting light the whole time, and had finally tilted him:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $214.90
UTG+1: $142
CO: $218.55
Button: $343.10
SB: $147
Hero: $484.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T J
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button raises to $9, SB calls, Hero raises to $38, 2 folds, SB calls.

Flop: 5 T 8 ($87, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $109, SB calls all-in $109.

Turn: 2 ($305, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $305)


River: K ($305, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $305)


Results:
Final pot: $305
SB showed 9d 8d
Hero showed Th Jh


Note quite how bad his preflop call is. If I have a big hand, he's screwed, if I have a badish hand, I can still flop better than him and if he doesnt hit the flop (he only hits 1 in 3 times) he's folding to my cbet.


This one is also vs a 22/16 type TAG. I think even a 2p2er. This is a classic example of some1 playing badly in rr pots. Sure I have AA here, but if I wasn't rr 56s and 22 all day, I doubt he would play his hand the same way:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $42
CO: $254.90
Button: $59.10
SB: $198
Hero: $201.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A A
2 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls.

Flop: T 4 7 ($36, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $25, SB calls.

Turn: 6 ($86, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $65, SB calls.

River: 2 ($216, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero is all-in $93.7, SB calls all-in $90.
Uncalled bets: $3.7 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $399.7
Hero showed Ad As
SB mucks Jh Tc


Lastly:

Here's 2 more links on 3-betting light:

By AJFenix

By CTS


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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: Dan Bitel]
      #7886691 - 11/01/06 03:31 PM

SSNL Jam/db/etc thread on 3-betting

dan bright and the real blinds

Okay, here are two links that might help. The second one doesn't have to really do with 3-betting as a main point, but rather that the button is the real blind, not the $ you put in. This thought should be taken into account when 3-betting light (your position). sometimes, it isn't as necessary to 3-bet as light in position (as written by dan in his post) as you negate some of your control of the pot when rr-ing. Thats not to say that you shouldnt still be 3-betting light on the button, but that you should maybe take into account what type of hand/opponent/flow your table is.

Don't really have many hands atm, but our next week's topic should be 4-betting light .


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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: orange]
      #7886758 - 11/01/06 03:38 PM

thanks DB

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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: EMc]
      #7886871 - 11/01/06 03:46 PM

vnh - gonna try this

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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: EMc]
      #7886891 - 11/01/06 03:47 PM

Another topic that covers a very very useful tool but can easily be misunderstood and cost people tons of monies.

Be sure to read over this one a few times and understand that this is a heavily situational play that requires some specific conditions, just like floating.


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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: Yaboosh]
      #7887105 - 11/01/06 04:01 PM

SHHHHHHHH!!!!!

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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: ama0330]
      #7887158 - 11/01/06 04:04 PM

Quote:

SHHHHHHHH!!!!!



seriosuly this is gonna lose me soooo much money. using this strategy against regs/semi regs at 50nl works sooo well. np db


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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: Yaboosh]
      #7887161 - 11/01/06 04:05 PM

Quote:

Another topic that covers a very very useful tool but can easily be misunderstood and cost people tons of monies.

Be sure to read over this one a few times and understand that this is a heavily situational play that requires some specific conditions, just like floating.




i agree totally, this is a real easy way to light money on fire vs calling station types often found at uNL.

nice post though DB.

Edited by carnivalhobo (11/01/06 04:05 PM)


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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: carnivalhobo]
      #7887223 - 11/01/06 04:09 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Another topic that covers a very very useful tool but can easily be misunderstood and cost people tons of monies.

Be sure to read over this one a few times and understand that this is a heavily situational play that requires some specific conditions, just like floating.




i agree totally, this is a real easy way to light money on fire vs calling station types often found at uNL.

nice post though DB.




That's why you don't do it against guys who are 60/0/.2


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Yaboosh
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Re: **uNL Concept of the week: Week 2, 3-betting light:** [Re: Imrahil]
      #7887241 - 11/01/06 04:10 PM

We are not questioning the applicability of DB's post. We are questioning some people here and how well they will read his post. You are right, DB did talk about who to do this against, but this is something that many will gloss over.

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