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ectomorfo
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Reged: 09/01/07
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QQ on the button, just calling pos flop
#13205444 - 12/01/07 07:46 PM

I think I played this hand very well. What you think?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($65.20)
BB ($21.70)
UTG ($9.70)
MP ($26.50)
CO ($35.85)
Hero ($68.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, Q

.
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($5.25) K

, 8

, 5

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, Hero calls $3, SB folds.

Turn: ($11.25) 3

(2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: ($21.25) J

(2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Final Pot: $41.25

Results in white below:
BB has 6s Ad (flush, ace high).
Hero has Qd Qh (flush, king high).
Outcome: BB wins $41.25.

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Lego05
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Posts: 3477

Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: ectomorfo]
#13205572 - 12/01/07 07:59 PM

This is fine IMO.

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CyberMuppet
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Reged: 10/25/07
Posts: 40
Loc: Sweden

Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: ectomorfo]
#13205573 - 12/01/07 07:59 PM

For me this depends a lot on what type of player Villain is. If he can fire three barrels with middle pair or worse I *might* play it like this, but otherwise I think your line is too passive.

I'd raise a tad more pf, probably to $2.

I always raise this flop on an unknown here, trying to get him to fold a weak king and making flush draws pay. Calling I have no idea where I stand.

When the flush hits on turn I would probably fold/raise something like 80/20, unless he bluffs a lot or plays like crap.

As played I definately call river.

Just my thoughts.

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TheBobn
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: ectomorfo]
#13205607 - 12/01/07 08:01 PM

I wouldn't raise the flop, because SB is still left to act, you're sort of in the squeeze.

Given the size of the pot on the turn and that weak bet, I think a shove is good. I think his hand is either a draw or a weak king on the turn, both of which won't like a shove on the turn given the way you played your hand. Both are put to a tough decision(calling AI without the odds for the flush) or calling AI with a king on a 3 flush board, so you give your opponent many opportunities to make mistakes relative to your cards.

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Harry Fong
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Reged: 08/18/06
Posts: 232
Loc: Australia

Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: ectomorfo]
#13205739 - 12/01/07 08:13 PM

Quote:

I think I played this hand very well.

Good sir you are kindly mistaken.

If you were going to take this one down you needed to raise the flop. Or maybe float the flop and raise the turn. It all depends on your read/feel/courage. If called though feel free to lay it down at any stage.

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Harry Fong
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Harry Fong]
#13205813 - 12/01/07 08:20 PM

Quote:

This is fine IMO.

How so Lego?

OP called a bet against 2 opponents with second pair. My understanding is that QQ is a nice hand preflop, however, its value depreciates quickly post flop with a A or K showing and multiple opponents.

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Micro Donk
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Reged: 08/10/07
Posts: 1736

Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Harry Fong]
#13205847 - 12/01/07 08:22 PM

why would you raise at any point postflop? it sturning your hand into a bluff

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Harry Fong
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Micro Donk]
#13205983 - 12/01/07 08:36 PM

Quote:

why would you raise at any point postflop? it sturning your hand into a bluff

A raise on the flop would not only show strength but give an indication of your opponents range. For these reasons is this play considered a bluff? For me in that position post flop I would fold it.

I was just suggesting that if OP wanted to take it down then IMO calling was not correct and a raise would have greater value.

Any thoughts ???

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Micro Donk
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Harry Fong]
#13206035 - 12/01/07 08:42 PM

Quote:

Quote:

why would you raise at any point postflop? it sturning your hand into a bluff

A raise on the flop would not only show strength but give an indication of your opponents range. For these reasons is this play considered a bluff? For me in that position post flop I would fold it.

I was just suggesting that if OP wanted to take it down then IMO calling was not correct and a raise would have greater value.

Any thoughts ???

tell me what you think is calling a raise.

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kaipwn
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Reged: 07/22/07
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Harry Fong]
#13206038 - 12/01/07 08:42 PM

calling seems passive but is orite. catching the bluff was working up until the unlucky 4th D

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Harry Fong
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Posts: 232
Loc: Australia

Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Micro Donk]
#13206247 - 12/01/07 09:04 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

why would you raise at any point postflop? it sturning your hand into a bluff

A raise on the flop would not only show strength but give an indication of your opponents range. For these reasons is this play considered a bluff? For me in that position post flop I would fold it.

I was just suggesting that if OP wanted to take it down then IMO calling was not correct and a raise would have greater value.

Any thoughts ???

tell me what you think is calling a raise.

Sorry, I am not following your question.

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Micro Donk
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Harry Fong]
#13206426 - 12/01/07 09:18 PM

he bets, you raise, what is his calling range? youll find youre folding out everything you beat (except a diamond draw and thats near a coinflip on the flop) and close to nothing that you lose to.

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Profish2285
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Micro Donk]
#13206469 - 12/01/07 09:22 PM

Raising accomplishes nothing. Folding isnt bad but calling isnt either. His small-ish bets would keep me in, if he bet bigger on the turn or river I would get away from it.

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crunchi
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Profish2285]
#13206898 - 12/01/07 10:02 PM

am i the only one that likes a river shove here?

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Micro Donk
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Posts: 1736

Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: crunchi]
#13206992 - 12/01/07 10:07 PM

Quote:

am i the only one that likes a river shove here?

is stacking off almost never. and thats the 3rd nut flush

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Profish2285
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Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Micro Donk]
#13207097 - 12/01/07 10:15 PM

Quote:

am i the only one that likes a river shove here?

You would need one hell of an image to make that profitable.

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Reefypoopoo
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Reged: 11/20/07
Posts: 39
Loc: PCPforums

Re: QQ on the button, just calling pos flop [Re: Profish2285]
#13207478 - 12/01/07 10:42 PM

it's "ok".

this is rly villian dependent. I've raised and folded flop here as well.

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