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Pokey
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C-betting survey.
      #12373869 - 10/05/07 12:22 PM

I thought it would be interesting to see how people vary their c-bets in the micro levels. Seeing how important continuation bets are to our winrate, they warrant some additional discussion. Think of this survey as a springboard to a conversation about c-betting -- please follow up your survey response with a post explaining anything you consider interesting or worthwhile.

For the following questions, assume that you were the preflop raiser, making a standard-sized raise, and that you were called by one opponent. One more point: while "c-bet" is often used to mean a flop bet after a preflop raise when you have absolutely nothing, for the purposes of this survey let's just use it to mean any flop bet.
In general, how often do you bet the flop after a preflop raise?
You may choose only one
Only when I have a hand
Less than half the time
About half the time
About 3/4ths of the time
About 80-90% of the time
Almost always
In general, how large is your flop bet after a preflop raise?
You may choose only one
Less than half the pot
About half the pot
About 2/3rds-pot
About 3/4ths-pot
Full pot
More than the pot
How do you vary your c-bet size based on your position?
You may choose only one
I bet more when I'm out of position (OOP)
I bet less when I'm OOP
I do not vary my c-bet size based on position
How do you vary your c-bet frequency based on your position?
You may choose only one
I bet more often when I'm OOP
I bet less often when I'm OOP
I do not vary my c-bet frequency based on position
How do you vary your c-bet size based on your type of opponent?
You may choose only one
I c-bet larger against tight opponents
I c-bet smaller against tight opponents
I c-bet larger against aggressive opponents
I c-bet smaller against aggressive opponents
I c-bet larger against tight and/or aggressive opponents
I c-bet larger against tight opponents but smaller against aggressive opponents
I c-bet smaller against tight opponents but larger against aggressive opponents
I c-bet smaller against tight opponents and smaller against aggressive opponents
I do not vary my c-bet size based on my opponent type
How do you vary your c-bet frequency based on your type of opponent?
You may choose only one
I c-bet more often against tight opponents
I c-bet less often against tight opponents
I c-bet more often against aggressive opponents
I c-bet less often against aggressive opponents
I c-bet more often against tight opponents and more often against aggressive opponents
I c-bet more often against tight opponents but less often against aggressive opponents
I c-bet less often against tight opponents but more often against aggressive opponents
I c-bet less often against tight opponents and less often against aggressive opponents
I do not vary my c-bet frequency based on my opponent type
How do you vary your c-bet size on a paired board?
You may choose only one
I c-bet larger on paired boards
I c-bet smaller on paired boards
A paired board does not change my c-bet size
How do you vary your c-bet frequency on a paired board?
You may choose only one
I c-bet more often on paired boards
I c-bet less often on paired boards
A paired board does not change my c-bet frequency
How do you vary your c-bet size on a monotone board?
You may choose only one
I c-bet larger on monotone boards
I c-bet smaller on monotone boards
Monotone boards do not change my c-bet size
How do you vary your c-bet frequency on a monotone board?
You may choose only one
I c-bet more often on monotone boards
I c-bet less often on monotone boards
Monotone boards do not change my c-bet frequency
How do you vary your c-bet size based on your hand strength?
You may choose only one
I c-bet bigger with made hands
I c-bet bigger with draws
I c-bet bigger with air
I c-bet bigger with made hands and draws
I c-bet bigger with made hands and air
I c-bet bigger with draws and air
My hand strength does not affect my c-bet size
How do you vary your c-bet frequency based on your hand strength?
You may choose only one
I c-bet more often with made hands
I c-bet more often with draws
I c-bet more often with air
I c-bet more often with made hands and draws
I c-bet more often with made hands and air
I c-bet more often with draws and air
My hand strength does not affect my c-bet frequency


Votes accepted from (10/05/07 12:19 PM) to (No end specified)
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wslee00
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: Pokey]
      #12373939 - 10/05/07 12:28 PM

i only answered some of these b/c the one major factor i use one frequency of c-betting as well as c-bet size is flop texture, which is only in 2 or 3 of the questions.

the other factor I use is whether opponent is a station or not. I guess you can translate that into some c-bet percentage - but i dunno it


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CruS
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: Pokey]
      #12373945 - 10/05/07 12:28 PM

You compare tight to aggressive in many polls, should it not be tight vs loose, or passive vs aggressive?

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RedSoxFan
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: Pokey]
      #12374026 - 10/05/07 12:35 PM

Nice survey:

Summary of what I do
Against 1 opponent- cbet 75% of time. Amount depends on texture of board, opponent, and my hand.

With air against tight player, I'll cbet 2/3 pot; against calling station, I'll cbet 1/2 or go for check raise. I'm finding that checking the flop and betting the turn works just as well against some stations when I miss.

When hit flop (or over pair), my cbets are more board dependent. If flop is not scary, I will go 1/2 - 2/3 pot (less for tight and more for stations). I turn up the heat on the turn though. If board is draw heavy, I'll pot flop and pot turn if no scare card.

Against multiple opponents, I don't usually cbet my air OOP but will if checked to me in position. With made hand or draw, I will cbet 3/4-full against multiple opponents to narrow field.

Sometimes I see that a min bet is enough to scare away those 65/1/0.5 players as they have a hit or fold mentality. No sense in throwing in more if they'll fold with nothing. If I hit- I'll cbet more.


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Lego05
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: CruS]
      #12374030 - 10/05/07 12:35 PM

I answered most of them.

But on monotone flops I make a bigger c-bet if I have a hand usually but not so if I don't.


And as far as my hand strenth: sometimes I make a bigger c-bet with a strong hand but generally it's in my normal c-bet size range.


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Tawbor
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: CruS]
      #12374041 - 10/05/07 12:36 PM

My c-bets don't really vary in terms of frequency as I nearly always c-bet unless an opponent has shown a propensity to keep (check) raising, which may slow me down. I only vary the amount I c-bet if the board is very drawy and then I bet full pot rather than 3/4. Stack size will also cause me to c-bet a smaller amount against short stacks and more if we're both deep.

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Lego05
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: Lego05]
      #12374058 - 10/05/07 12:37 PM

By the way I bet people are gonna miss that there's only one opponent here and stats will be skewed especally the c-bet frequency stat.

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Chicago Twister
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: Pokey]
      #12374074 - 10/05/07 12:38 PM

I answered all the questions, but I think that polls like this are actually counter productive. A poster who cbets perhaps 20% of time time could read that people cbet about 75% of the time and say, "oh well then I'll cbet more." But they are missing critical knowledge -- when to cbet. Not just 75% of the time, but there are specific situations in which cbetting is good or not good. The key to cbetting correctly is not knowing how often, but when.

A cbet on this board is often very good: K72r
A cbet on this board not often that good: AQ2r
A cbet on this board is often very bad: 765
A cbet on this board is often not good: 852

They are good or bad not because of your hand or even really the opponent's hand exactly. They are good or bad because of how often you will get a call. For example, say the opponent has 88. A cbet on he first board will not often be called. A cbet on the 3rd board will be at least called 100% of the time. When considering cbets, consider the three classes of hands opponents are most likely to have: naked Aces, medium-small pairs, coordinated unpaired cards (one gappers, suited connectorsl, suited broadways, two broadway cards, etc)


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hennnerz
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: Chicago Twister]
      #12374129 - 10/05/07 12:44 PM

I bet less often when I'm OOP - 5 23%

Expected this to be higher.


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DaycareInferno
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Re: C-betting survey. [Re: hennnerz]
      #12374189 - 10/05/07 12:49 PM

some of those are kind of trick questions. i cbet less on paired boards versus opponents who are tight preflop, and more against opponents who are loose preflop.

i think most people probably cbet more often oop vs one opponent, whether they realise it or not, just because there are no opportunities to check behind for whatever reason.


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