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Pokey
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Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep
      #10713417 - 06/08/07 01:14 PM

Long time no see, folks.

In my attempt to ease m'self back into poker I've been playing quite a bit of the $0.15/$0.30 deep-stacked 6-max poker at Full Tilt. For those of you who are unfamiliar with it, the maximum buyin is 200xBB, rather than the standard 100xBB. It gives you more room to wiggle, and more postflop options. It also rapidly builds your postflop skills. Finally, because you're so deep your preflop hands aren't quite as important as your postflop play, so you get to play more hands profitably. It can be quite fun, though it is also quite challenging.

This hand came up this morning, and I thought it was quite interesting. I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts about it.

I've seen about 60 hands with both of these players, and my reads are as follows:

BB is playing a 27/15/7.5 game, moderately tight and extremely aggressive. He's played a few bluffs (quite well, actually) and he's also managed to get paid off with his monsters. He's a good player.

Button is playing a 24/10/12 game with over-the-top postflop aggro but not much skill. I'm not impressed.

I've been playing a 31/19/1.5 game with a ridiculously-loose 58% completion rate from the SB. (Hey, if they'll let me in for 0.25% of my stack, I'm wanting to see a flop, baby.) I haven't gotten too far out of line yet, but I do stab at the pot at times, though I typically give up after that.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.15/$0.30 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Pokey (SB): $60.45
BB: $115.05
UTG: $23.85
MP: $13.50
CO: $50.00
BTN: $23.30

CO posts $0.30
Preflop: Pokey is dealt 3 J (6 Players)
2 folds, CO checks, BTN calls $0.30, Pokey calls $0.15, BB checks

For the price of 0.5 BBs, playing for a miracle flop is profitable when you're this deep.

Flop: ($1.20) J 2 3 (4 Players)

Pokey bets $0.70, BB raises to $3.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $9.00, Pokey raises to $23.00, BB raises all-in to $114.75, BTN calls all-in for $14.00, Pokey scratches his head.

Well, top two seemed like a great time to make some magic. BB's raise didn't scare me much, though Button's three-bet was a bit worrisome. I four-bet enough to put button all-in, expecting BB would fold and I would have a heads-up shot at a very nice pot. BB surprised me with a five-bet all-in. Button's call seemed reluctant but basically a given; however, I'm faced with calling an extra $37.15, here.

What's my best play, and why? Note that the pot is offering me just shy of 3-to-1 odds, and the pot was unraised preflop.

Fun, fun!


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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: Pokey]
      #10713478 - 06/08/07 01:22 PM

When I saw this post wasnt a bimp I heard:

Hallelujah, Hallelujah!

Id like to think BB is raising 22, 33 and JJ here PF, and I think given the price you are getting you are going to be +EV here


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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: Pokey]
      #10714828 - 06/08/07 03:10 PM

I can't put anyone on a hand that makes sense.

22 in the BB, KJo on the button? J2,23s? J2,45? KK,J2?

Seems like we beat enough. I expect to see 22 in the BB 25% of the time, J2 30%, 33 5%, a semibluff with A2,45s 30%, 1 pair or junk 10%. Button I feel we're ahead of.

Neutral EV Curiosity Call.


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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: Pokey]
      #10714980 - 06/08/07 03:22 PM

I can't fold, sorry. I know I'm beat a lot here and I know I'll get to see the hands anyway Maybe I see junk here more often? And we murder J2 and 32. And BB didn't raise pre (obv only an indicator) and I've got top two. So I call.

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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: sputum]
      #10715056 - 06/08/07 03:29 PM

I feel quite bad about felting top and bottom pair in an UNRAISED pot with two other players. I would've just called the BTN raise and folded to BB's re-raise.

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jessyj07
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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: Vyse]
      #10715151 - 06/08/07 03:36 PM

Quote:

I feel quite bad about felting top and bottom pair


it's top 2. I don't think I'd call here though. The fact that he has already doubled up his original $60 buyin makes me feel like he knows how to play and that he isn't just giving away money with 23 or J2.

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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: jessyj07]
      #10715206 - 06/08/07 03:40 PM

Yeah, my bad, top 2. I don't think villain is going to be felting a worse 2pair very often though, and NEVER a TP type of hand.

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RollTide77
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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: Vyse]
      #10715310 - 06/08/07 03:48 PM

Looks like trips to me. My guess is the BTN limped in 22/33 behind. But who am I?

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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: Vyse]
      #10715439 - 06/08/07 03:57 PM

Wow Pokey, great to have you around again.

Started 2 replies about the hand, but I keep changing my mind. The action is odd.

Wouldn't BB raise preflop with AJ? And probably 22? And would he commit this much with KJ/QJ/TJ, especially after you've shown so much strength?

Odd. I somehow don't think this "good player" is doing this with TPGK. Besides, I think Btn has one of the other J's, so that makes J for BB less likely.

I wonder if he has a bizarre J2 and you have him by a whisker? In fact, I wonder if all the J's and maybe all the 2's or 3's are out there? Kinda feels that way.

Anyway, my guess in order of likely hands is 22...J2...33...TPGK.

I think you called and I hope your re-draw came in!


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Re: Fear the unraised pot: SB hits top two ultradeep [Re: RollTide77]
      #10715469 - 06/08/07 03:59 PM

I'd also expect a solid villain to raise preflop with any pocket pair.

But I don't think I've got the balls to wager the rest of that 200BB stack on that assumption.

Hero's last raise is a display of pure strength. BB seems completely unphased by that even though, if he's fairly solid he shouldn't expect anything less than two pair.

This makes me believe that we're more likely beaten than not. And if he's pulled a move, kudos for having the balls to do that so deep.


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