Luzyfer
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One year ago, on October 2006 I started a project called Sponsored Online Investments Project in which I planned to take $50 turned into $2,000 and make a monthly income of 4,000+ which I believed could be done online by multitabling mid stakes while taking advantage of reload, monthly bonuses and rakeback (which are exclusive benefits of online poker). We are all aware of the great things about the lifestyle we could have if we could play this game profitable so I was very excited about making it happen.
During the first 6 months I read more than 15 books, watched all the videos I could and played more than 6 hours a day. After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck.
Since there arent a lot of easy to clear sign-up bonuses for the micro level players anymore, I decided go the kickbacks at pokersavvy.com and built my bankroll to around $2,000. After that I was only left with reload, monthly bonuses and rakeback which are difficult to clear at the NL micros. Remembering the variance that I had at NL50 and NL100 I decided to switch to limit 1/2 and 2/4 in order to take advantage Cryptos monthly, PartyPoker, PokerStars and some IPoker and Ongame sites monthly and reload which have a decent clearing rate at this levels. With $2,000 I thought my br is healthy enough to play there. Limit has less variance than NL so if I can play 10 hours a day and break even I could clear $200/day at 2/4 for $4,000+ a month.
Well, as it turns out, I lost $600 in two days due to cold decks and bad beats and I played well. I am calling it quits with this project as I am tired of this fluctuations and not seeing any results. I mean players perhaps make less mistakes at those levels but cīmom, how hard could it be to play break-even poker?. I am gonna hate having to be an employee but I need to stop fooling myself thinking I could afford to pay rent, food, car loan, gas, etc doing this.
I know lots of you are probably going to tell me to just take sometime off and then come back, but I am interested in consistent results (within reason because poker is still gambling) and if I canīt do that bonus whoring breaking-even a 2/4 limit I dont know how in the world I could make a living playing online poker. I dont want to be cynical, but I am not completely sure poker can be beat today (players are better and bonuses have gotten harder to clear). Look at sbrugby, the best online player today, won 3 million this year and lost 2 million in less than 2 months, and he is is the best...imagine the rest of us. From now on, poker is a hobby to me.
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Phoenix Dave
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LOSER!
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AceCR9
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nah if you can't win you should probably quit poker forever
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MasterLJ
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Sounds like you have entitlement issues. Just because you've read 15 books and have a whopping 6 months of experience, doesn't mean you should be making $4k+/month.
I think it's fairly laughable to play for your food with less than a $10k bankroll and have a proven track record of consistantly beating at least 0.50/1.00.
The games are beatable but the variance will always be there. Just when you think you can't possibly run worse, you will. Hence why 6 months reserves in the bank is an absolute must.
My advice is to drop the entitlement and embrace the variance.
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ALLEN BOND
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Good read.
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Requin
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I think your Project just needed a better name
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NickyC
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lollllllllllllllllllllll
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GoogleEmployee
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Alobar
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I think its great that you've got the courage to quit because you arent happy how things are going (im being totally serious). So many people just end up as degen rakeback grinding losers because they cant admit to themselves that poker isnt for them. kudos for not being one of these people. Good luck in your future endeavors and I actually envy the enjoyment you will get from playing poker simply as a hobby
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Boise123
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Good luck with your hobby.
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donger
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tl;dr.
ps: u suk
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Avatar of Wine
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Are you working and promoting the website?
God I hope he is . . . looks like they have some great articles:
Tips for Playing Pocket Jacks
Contrary to popular belief, Pocket Jacks are a very strong hand in NL Hold 'Em . . .
TELL ME MORE
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People_Mover
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maybe you just suck at poker?
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pureklas
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I don't think you quite understood... it's News, Views, Gossip. Since u included no news or gossip i'l give u my view. U suck at teh pokeys.
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The B
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Well, as it turns out, I lost $600 in two days due to cold decks and bad beats
that's what they all say....enjoy your new hobby
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retep
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Op can you clarify this for me:
"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"
ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?
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LotsOfOuts69
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During the first 6 months I read more than 15 books,
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Well, as it turns out, I lost $600 in two days due to cold decks and bad beats and I played well. I am calling it quits with this project
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AbreuTime
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One year ago, on October 2006 I started a project called Sponsored Online Investments Project
SOIP bro?
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evagaba
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so if I can play 10 hours a day
Isn't that like more hours than a "real" job? And any decent profession will gross you more than 4k a month anyways.
This is a funny post.
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eMbAh
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[x] Thread is embarrassing
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warrantofice
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NO. I think what he was trying to say was this. "I'm a big baby...they never let me win. Please guys, I've worked so so so hard. I read Phil Gordon's book and he's a commentator so he gotta be really really good. He's the only person that i can think of who's better than i am. Yep sure does suck. My next project is gonna be called Project Big Baby. That way i'll win that project. Oh and i know so much about poker. Limit poker has a lot less variance, especially when I train for 6 months at NL and then switch over. I think i can win $4000 per month at 1/2 Limit Poker, espcially if i get the bonuses for all the sites."
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meleader2
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so if I can play 10 hours a day
Isn't that like more hours than a "real" job? And any decent profession will gross you more than 4k a month anyways.
This is a funny post.
seriously wtf 10 hour days every day, most likely nights...ur retarded.
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PrimogenitoX
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I am gonna hate having to be an employee but I need to stop fooling myself thinking I could afford to pay rent, food, car loan, gas, etc doing this.
I'll have the calamari appetizer and my steak medium well. Get after it boss.
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KurtSF
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Limit has less variance than NL
You haven't played enough LHE.
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PrimogenitoX
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Look at sbrugby, the best online player today, won 3 million this year and lost 2 million..
[x] OP fails to grasp the simple mathematics requisite to beating online poker.
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warrantofice
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Could someone please post original post on pocket 5's...very curious to see what their response is.
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1tripz1
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Can someone link the thread to the mod who went to vegas to play stud for a living? that was a great read...
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ChoicestHops
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If you can't beat 50NL you aren't a winning player and you cannot blame variance or a cold deck like you are stating. Looking through just one of your posts you have a very bad concept of the game. Your first post stated you wanted to get to 2/4 NL and buy in for a half stack? Take responsibility for your results and improve them. You can literally train a monkey to beat micros and with RB you can make a decent living.
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GrowingPains
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it took you 6 months to build up a to a 1200 roll? and i thought i sucked.
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Enervate
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BAN OP
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nekrunanus
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Limit has less variance than NL
From which one of the 15 books did you find this piece of wisdom? Maybe you read the wrong books.
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Spence
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stfu guys. Even if he's only breaking even during that period he's doing better than 85% of the players. He tried something and it didn't work out, good job by OP to realize he should keep poker a hobby and hopefully make a few extra bucks on the side.
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Dhani
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Bueno Burno!
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jcg2005
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Could someone please post original post on pocket 5's...very curious to see what their response is.
http://www.pocketfives.com/9E24212D-8EB5-4D6D-B09B-F114C38C4E14.aspx
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Luzyfer
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LOSER!
FACK YOU
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GrowingPains
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Could someone please post original post on pocket 5's...very curious to see what their response is.
http://www.pocketfives.com/9E24212D-8EB5-4D6D-B09B-F114C38C4E14.aspx
huh? you and OP are the same person?
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asa
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One year ago, on October 2006 I started a project called Sponsored Online Investments Project
SOIP bro?
good
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TheJokerIsWild
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OP: It is clear that you are a bit naive when it comes to life in general. However, I do applaude you for knowing when to walk away from the game. I guarantee you that if you played as much as you claimed to have played and still couldn't make a decent profit then you just aren't talented enough in this gamne to earn a living at it.
I'm not even really sure what the point of your post is because you're not going to get anything out of it. Stay in school or start your career or something. Stay away from poker, it's clearly not for you.
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Abbaddabba
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the funny part is that you can quite reasonably make $4,000 bonus whoring without making a dollar at the tables.
unless you suck at poker.
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Luzyfer
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if I were the owner of this site Iīll ban the shet out of a lot of people here. A lot think they know more than they really do in this forum and probably losing a lot of money too
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Belok
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OP - you sound like you're 18 and dont know how to play very well.
I'd say something quick and biting like "quit poker and get a job"... but I play poker for a living and dont suck at it... so that wouldn't make much sense.
quit poker and get a job
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jman220
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Limit has less variance than NL
No.
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sethypooh21
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One year ago, on October 2006 I started a project called Sponsored Online Investments Project
SOIP bro?
A+
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jman220
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if I were the owner of this site Iīll ban the shet out of a lot of people here. A lot think they know more than they really do in this forum and probably losing a lot of money too
Good thing you're not the owner of the site.
Luzyfer, in all seriousness, your post belies a lack of understanding about the game in general. For one thing, variance is higher at limit than no limit. At no limit you reach the long run much quicker than you do in limit. No limit punishes poor play much more harshly and much quicker than limit. This is why people generally go broke much faster at no limit than at limit when they're not good at poker, they're reaching the long run, and quickly. Its good that you see now that poker is not for you, very few are good enough to beat it for enough to make a living, you're talking at most the top few percent of all poker players.
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TS Clark
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This post made my head hurt.
Ten hours a day playing online poker (or any poker for that matter)? Day in and day out? I'd kill myself (and others) if I had to do that.
If you can't beat NL50, you aren't very good. It's just that simple. That's not to say you can't improve, but you're naive to think you should be able to make thousands a month if you can't profitably play at this level.
And, as others have said, if you think LHE has less variance than NLHE, you're wrong in the head, brother. I can't even play LHE anymore because of the swings. It's a great game, but it's too nerve-wracking on me after the relative control I've found playing NLH.
I do tend to agree with your final conclusion, though. For the average (or even somewhat above-average) player, there are lots of easier and less stressful ways to make a good living than playing cards. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist -- playing the game for a living is definitely only for the few (and the masochistic if you ask me). I made peace a while ago that I can't do it, just like lots of folks couldn't do what I do for a living. Playing poker for a living requires a very specific skill-set, just like any other job. I probably can't do theirs, they probably couldn't do mine. That's what makes the world work.
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PLO8FaceKilla
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stfu guys. Even if he's only breaking even during that period he's doing better than 85% of the players. He tried something and it didn't work out, good job by OP to realize he should keep poker a hobby and hopefully make a few extra bucks on the side.
somebody get this guy a wamburger and some french cries.
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donger
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I just want to call attention to OP's post count. None of these posts were in strategy forums, with the exception ambitiously titled "Can someone help me beat the NL 50 FR cash games at Party?"
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fringsrache
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hm... how can u spend so much time playing poker and ur still not able to beat the micros??? thats strange but maybe poker is really not made for u.
good luck for whatever u going to do now.
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fringsrache
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Are you working and promoting the website?
God I hope he is . . . looks like they have some great articles:
Tips for Playing Pocket Jacks
Contrary to popular belief, Pocket Jacks are a very strong hand in NL Hold 'Em . . .
TELL ME MORE
how could i survive without this article?????
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Gobias Ind.
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I wish this was a KKF gimmick account
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Hotel Detect
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practice avoidance
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Hiiiiiiii
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denial
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ttgirl
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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?
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the_casino_kid
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if you quit now you will never know if you actually can do it, the harder you work the luckier you get..
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silkyjonson
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TP/MH
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jman220
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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?
Yes.
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Gonso
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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?
Yes, althought my yes has a lot less "oomph" than Phil's yes
A lot of players here overstate their abilities obv, but 2+2 has more than it's fair share of good lower and midstakes players.
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Gonso
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Back on topic though:
OP, it's clear that you're still a relatively inexperienced, intermediate player. I'm sure you're not completely lsot and have some knowledge as far as how to play, but there are probably a couple fundamental misunderstandings about poker, the limit variance thing is a good hint that there is room to improve your understanding. The "entitlement" thing someone else mentioned is spot on by the sound of it.
Developing a winning game at those limits, especially with the games playing the way they do now, can take a while longer than some players expect it will.
With regard to books and videos... half the people you play against have done the same thing. Last time I looked, CTS's video at Cardrunners had 15,000+ views, and most players there are playing 2/4 or less. A lot of 2+2 books have sold in the hundreds of thousands, many of them to your opponents.
Also, I think you might be overstating your situation and misleading yourself by calling yourself a pro. You're ran up a small bankroll grinding NL25 and aren't employed, that's a more accurate way to think about it.
I'm honestly not knocking you here, I'm just suggesting that you might have lost some perspective over the past few months. It sounds like you just decided to become a pro out of nowhere, it's not that kind of a job.
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mce86
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stfu guys. Even if he's only breaking even during that period he's doing better than 85% of the players. He tried something and it didn't work out, good job by OP to realize he should keep poker a hobby and hopefully make a few extra bucks on the side.
Thats true, but the problem with OP is, and many posters like that, is they try these experiments and then make claims that nobody can win at poker...in other words they are saying, "since I am great and cant win, then poker cannot be beat..."
Why not just admit, Im not as good as i thought...or, many players are better than me...
And, dammit, get a job..play poker, establish winning, then retire, if thats your choice.
The best is when he points out SBrugby winn9ng 3 mill and losing 2 mill, im okay at math, i think thats up one million..not too bad. People need to realize, that as a skill game, some have it, some dont. Some are bad, some okay, some good, some great! Thats how it is...admit it to yourself.
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sqwisssssss
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yeah, its impossible to make money playing poker. look at cts, sbrugby etc etc...........
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Gonso
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The best is when he points out SBrugby winn9ng 3 mill and losing 2 mill, im okay at math, i think thats up one million..not too bad. People need to realize, that as a skill game, some have it, some dont. Some are bad, some okay, some good, some great! Thats how it is...admit it to yourself.
The games he's playing can certainly be beaten, and for a lot more bb/100 than Brian Townsend can beat the nosebleed stakes for. That kind of variance is insane. No reason why a good player can't destroy NL25 for rediculous rates longterm.
Also, I'm still not sure what game OP is playing, FR NL25 one second, then 2/4 LHE the next.
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raze
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must be that 'variance' that's keepin everyone down...
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Luzyfer
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I think its great that you've got the courage to quit because you arent happy how things are going (im being totally serious). So many people just end up as degen rakeback grinding losers because they cant admit to themselves that poker isnt for them. kudos for not being one of these people. Good luck in your future endeavors and I actually envy the enjoyment you will get from playing poker simply as a hobby
Thanks for being considerate. I wish I could be breaking-even and a "grinding for rakeback" loser. What kind of person do you need to become in order for poker to be for me? I really would like to make a living at it.
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mce86
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You just have to be a consistent winner, but even then the swings are ridiculous. You can tell from your comments you are very inexperienced at the game. Your jumping from bonuses, to NL, to limit. You dont seem to grasp that poker is ALL about wins and losses. Nobody wins every day...its just that the days we win add up to more than the days we lose. 600 bucks? thats nothing, but you cant go from NL to 2/4 limit and expect to win right away. Even experienced players are rusty when they come back....
Play for fun...life is stressful enough...if losing 600 bucks in two days hurts, forget about playing for a living....you could have losing weeks or months. But, the idea is the wins and losses should balance out if your good nad youl just break even. If you're a great player, you'll come out ahead. If poker was beatable by anybody and everybody, nobody could win.
BTW, I dont play for a living, but i do play as my part time job...been doing it for 11 months, and Ive had 3 of those months Ive finished down!!! Thats just how it goes!
Edited by mce86 (10/11/07 12:16 AM)
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Luzyfer
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Op can you clarify this for me:
"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"
ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?
These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge
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albedoa
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Op can you clarify this for me:
"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"
ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?
These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge
He had A LOT less to work with. You're comparing apples and penguins. This is another sign of your less-than-basic understanding of the game.
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Luzyfer
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so if I can play 10 hours a day
Isn't that like more hours than a "real" job? And any decent profession will gross you more than 4k a month anyways.
This is a funny post.
Another ignorant and arrogant claim from the gods of poker. Correct me if I am wrong, but Leatherass (stoxpoker blogger) built his bankroll and makes most of his profits doing just that. http://www.stoxpoker.com/contributor-biographies. Go read about it and then eat a bag of shet.
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Luzyfer
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Look at sbrugby, the best online player today, won 3 million this year and lost 2 million..
[x] OP fails to grasp the simple mathematics requisite to beating online poker.
Go tell that to Sbrugby
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Luzyfer
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it took you 6 months to build up a to a 1200 roll? and i thought i sucked.
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge
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frozzor
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lol fish
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Luzyfer
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I'd say something quick and biting like "quit poker and get a job"... but I play poker for a living and dont suck at it... so that wouldn't make much sense.
Big deal. If you are making it then stop thinking you are the [censored] and contribute something. Look at sbrugby, makes millions, and keeps a sense of giving back to those who are trying to make it.
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Luzyfer
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This post made my head hurt.
Ten hours a day playing online poker (or any poker for that matter)? Day in and day out? I'd kill myself (and others) if I had to do that.
If you can't beat NL50, you aren't very good. It's just that simple. That's not to say you can't improve, but you're naive to think you should be able to make thousands a month if you can't profitably play at this level.
And, as others have said, if you think LHE has less variance than NLHE, you're wrong in the head, brother. I can't even play LHE anymore because of the swings. It's a great game, but it's too nerve-wracking on me after the relative control I've found playing NLH.
I do tend to agree with your final conclusion, though. For the average (or even somewhat above-average) player, there are lots of easier and less stressful ways to make a good living than playing cards. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist -- playing the game for a living is definitely only for the few (and the masochistic if you ask me). I made peace a while ago that I can't do it, just like lots of folks couldn't do what I do for a living. Playing poker for a living requires a very specific skill-set, just like any other job. I probably can't do theirs, they probably couldn't do mine. That's what makes the world work.
You made peace a while ago that you cant do it? Didnt quite understand your post? Did you quit playing for a living or not?
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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis. Poker players are so naive, amazing.
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stfu guys. Even if he's only breaking even during that period he's doing better than 85% of the players. He tried something and it didn't work out, good job by OP to realize he should keep poker a hobby and hopefully make a few extra bucks on the side.
Thats true, but the problem with OP is, and many posters like that, is they try these experiments and then make claims that nobody can win at poker...in other words they are saying, "since I am great and cant win, then poker cannot be beat..."
Why not just admit, Im not as good as i thought...or, many players are better than me...
And, dammit, get a job..play poker, establish winning, then retire, if thats your choice.
The best is when he points out SBrugby winn9ng 3 mill and losing 2 mill, im okay at math, i think thats up one million..not too bad. People need to realize, that as a skill game, some have it, some dont. Some are bad, some okay, some good, some great! Thats how it is...admit it to yourself.
The best online player lost 2/3 of his winnings and you come up with some bullshet that some have and some dont. Are you on crack dude?
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You just have to be a consistent winner, but even then the swings are ridiculous. You can tell from your comments you are very inexperienced at the game. Your jumping from bonuses, to NL, to limit. You dont seem to grasp that poker is ALL about wins and losses. Nobody wins every day...its just that the days we win add up to more than the days we lose. 600 bucks? thats nothing, but you cant go from NL to 2/4 limit and expect to win right away. Even experienced players are rusty when they come back....
Play for fun...life is stressful enough...if losing 600 bucks in two days hurts, forget about playing for a living....you could have losing weeks or months. But, the idea is the wins and losses should balance out if your good nad youl just break even. If you're a great player, you'll come out ahead. If poker was beatable by anybody and everybody, nobody could win.
BTW, I dont play for a living, but i do play as my part time job...been doing it for 11 months, and Ive had 3 of those months Ive finished down!!! Thats just how it goes!
Thats the kind of posting that should be allowed. Trust me I understand that losing is a part of the deal its just that when you work so hard, downswings are just fakin depressing and makes you wonder if the game is beatable.
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This post made my head hurt.
Ten hours a day playing online poker (or any poker for that matter)? Day in and day out? I'd kill myself (and others) if I had to do that.
If you can't beat NL50, you aren't very good. It's just that simple. That's not to say you can't improve, but you're naive to think you should be able to make thousands a month if you can't profitably play at this level.
And, as others have said, if you think LHE has less variance than NLHE, you're wrong in the head, brother. I can't even play LHE anymore because of the swings. It's a great game, but it's too nerve-wracking on me after the relative control I've found playing NLH.
I do tend to agree with your final conclusion, though. For the average (or even somewhat above-average) player, there are lots of easier and less stressful ways to make a good living than playing cards. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist -- playing the game for a living is definitely only for the few (and the masochistic if you ask me). I made peace a while ago that I can't do it, just like lots of folks couldn't do what I do for a living. Playing poker for a living requires a very specific skill-set, just like any other job. I probably can't do theirs, they probably couldn't do mine. That's what makes the world work.
You made peace a while ago that you cant do it? Didnt quite understand your post? Did you quit playing for a living or not?
I don't play for a living. I don't doubt that I have the skill to do it (I certainly am not good enough to play nosebleed stakes, but I could (and have) definitely beat midstakes NLH games online and live).
What I lack is what most people lack to be able to play for a living. I lack the will to grind hours a day, I lack the kind of emotional distance necessary to plow through the prolonged and brutal downswings that are inevitable with variance, and I cannot completely divorce myself from the value of money. In short, I don't have the temperament to gamble for a living. It takes a special kind of person.
Remember, there are (at least) two components to being able to play professionally -- one part is skill (which many on the 2+2 forums have), but the other is discipline and emotional toughness under financial extremity. Don't have that. And if you're freaking out over $600, you probably don't either. It's no knock on you -- not everyone is sick.
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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis. Poker players are so naive, amazing.
lol a question was asked and he answered it in about the least arrogant way possible, wtf is your problem?
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I did in fact start the same way as this post, but luckily before long I was able to make some pretty good money by beating some decent limits for a good clip. Grinding 10 hours a day bonus whoring is a bit of a grind, but it was fun. It is a lot more fun to play and beat some bigger games thouh I can say that much.
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I got fired for my job 2 weeks ago and I started playing for a living. Since then i've won 30 K in donkaments after playing over 250 tournaments. Your problem is you're playing limit and it will take forever/boring to make a lot of money. The variance of mtt's is a beast but just do whatever suits your playing style best.
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Can someone link the thread to the mod who went to vegas to play stud for a living? that was a great read...
Three Years in Las Vegas
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wow, OP turned out to be a gigantic douchetard.
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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis. Poker players are so naive, amazing.
Your original post is a narrative. It says you can't make it as a pro and now treat poker is a hobby. When did you ask anyone for help?
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The best online player lost 2/3 of his winnings and you come up with some bullshet that some have and some dont. Are you on crack dude?
Who declared him the best online player? Your subsequent posts are almost as ridiculous as your original one.
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Look at sbrugby, the best online player today, won 3 million this year and lost 2 million in less than 2 months
You're right... being up 1 million this year is awful, and clear evidence that the game isn't beatable. 
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Thread saved from complete trainwreck by Dynasty linking his Three Years in Vegas post.
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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?
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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis. Poker players are so naive, amazing.
So, if I read 15 books on tennis, hire a great coach, will I get a div I scholorship in six months?? Then I will be able to beat you right?
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The biggest problem with OP was this statement:
"I am calling it quits with this project as I am tired of this fluctuations and not seeing any results. I mean players perhaps make less mistakes at those levels but cīmom, how hard could it be to play break-even poker?. "
Your not calling it quits...YOUR PROJECT FAILED.
And to answer your question....obviously hard.
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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis. Poker players are so naive, amazing.
why would we want to arbitrarily teach one person to take other peoples money? you're no more deserving than every other breakeven/losing player in the world.
if you're so altruistic that you'd be willing to teach anyone who wanted help, it's no wonder you failed at poker.
the only people who will give you their time freely are people whose time is worth nothing.
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Why do you keep bringing up other players and their success? You still suck at poker.
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The best online player lost 2/3 of his winnings and you come up with some bullshet that some have and some dont. Are you on crack dude?
No, but after this thread I could sure use some.
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Dont worry about the haters:
1. go back to the "Beginners Questions Forum"! Spend some time there.
2. Then you can advance to the uNL Micro forum. Before you know it you will be at SSNL.
3. Then the MSNL....etc.....
If your comparing yourself to leatherass, you should be able to reach all three of these goals in 2k - 3k hands of solid poker....then profit!
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wow, OP turned out to be a gigantic douchetard.
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OP, I suggest you change your username to Loserfer.
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Look at sbrugby, the best online player today, won 3 million this year and lost 2 million in less than 2 months
You're right... being up 1 million this year is awful, and clear evidence that the game isn't beatable.
There is a difference between beating the game and making a living despite variance. I am pretty sure I can make my $600 back since I got $500 back already. My concern is coming out ahead enough in order to pay bills. I think there is a difference. If at the end of the month I come out $500 ahead, yes, I have beaten the game for the month, but can I pay my bills and not live like shet?
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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?
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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis. Poker players are so naive, amazing.
So, if I read 15 books on tennis, hire a great coach, will I get a div I scholorship in six months?? Then I will be able to beat you right?
I understand. However poker is not a sport where learning technique and gaining a feel for the game takes a lot of experimentation and hitting thousands and thousands of balls everyday, which is hard to do (hitting so many balls) unless you are in a faking academy that has hundreds of balls just for you. Putting that aside, you can become a decent strategist in tennis within a year if you study the best books within a year.
However in poker you dont have physical skills, you only master mental skills. In one year, after studying and seeing thousands of situations in online poker you should be able to beat 2/4 Full Ring Limit. Perhaps I am wrong, thats just my point of view.
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This post made my head hurt.
Ten hours a day playing online poker (or any poker for that matter)? Day in and day out? I'd kill myself (and others) if I had to do that.
If you can't beat NL50, you aren't very good. It's just that simple. That's not to say you can't improve, but you're naive to think you should be able to make thousands a month if you can't profitably play at this level.
And, as others have said, if you think LHE has less variance than NLHE, you're wrong in the head, brother. I can't even play LHE anymore because of the swings. It's a great game, but it's too nerve-wracking on me after the relative control I've found playing NLH.
I do tend to agree with your final conclusion, though. For the average (or even somewhat above-average) player, there are lots of easier and less stressful ways to make a good living than playing cards. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist -- playing the game for a living is definitely only for the few (and the masochistic if you ask me). I made peace a while ago that I can't do it, just like lots of folks couldn't do what I do for a living. Playing poker for a living requires a very specific skill-set, just like any other job. I probably can't do theirs, they probably couldn't do mine. That's what makes the world work.
You made peace a while ago that you cant do it? Didnt quite understand your post? Did you quit playing for a living or not?
I don't play for a living. I don't doubt that I have the skill to do it (I certainly am not good enough to play nosebleed stakes, but I could (and have) definitely beat midstakes NLH games online and live).
What I lack is what most people lack to be able to play for a living. I lack the will to grind hours a day, I lack the kind of emotional distance necessary to plow through the prolonged and brutal downswings that are inevitable with variance, and I cannot completely divorce myself from the value of money. In short, I don't have the temperament to gamble for a living. It takes a special kind of person.
Remember, there are (at least) two components to being able to play professionally -- one part is skill (which many on the 2+2 forums have), but the other is discipline and emotional toughness under financial extremity. Don't have that. And if you're freaking out over $600, you probably don't either. It's no knock on you -- not everyone is sick.
So, again, can someone tell me what kind of person do I need to be in order to be a succesful gambler? I went up $900 and then down to $120 then up to $2000, yes its tough emotionally and financially. I just want to know if making a living at this involves not counting on money for the next month? Being broke most of the time? Is this what this is about? Since there is no guarantee of a monthly income (or at least the necessary to pay bills) how do you guys do it?
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You just have to be a consistent winner, but even then the swings are ridiculous. You can tell from your comments you are very inexperienced at the game. Your jumping from bonuses, to NL, to limit. You dont seem to grasp that poker is ALL about wins and losses. Nobody wins every day...its just that the days we win add up to more than the days we lose. 600 bucks? thats nothing, but you cant go from NL to 2/4 limit and expect to win right away. Even experienced players are rusty when they come back....
Play for fun...life is stressful enough...if losing 600 bucks in two days hurts, forget about playing for a living....you could have losing weeks or months. But, the idea is the wins and losses should balance out if your good nad youl just break even. If you're a great player, you'll come out ahead. If poker was beatable by anybody and everybody, nobody could win.
BTW, I dont play for a living, but i do play as my part time job...been doing it for 11 months, and Ive had 3 of those months Ive finished down!!! Thats just how it goes!
Sounds like a lot of people are not doing this for a living. I wonder why that is if a lot of the 2+2 are so skilled. Guess I am not the only "loser" here. No offense to you dude, at least you are being honest and not bullsheting me like most people in this thread.
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"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"
ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?
These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge
He had A LOT less to work with. You're comparing apples and penguins. This is another sign of your less-than-basic understanding of the game.
Not really. Look closely and see that it took him a lot of time to get from ~$100 to $2,000. This is another sign of you less-than-basic observation skills.
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However in poker you dont have physical skills, you only master mental skills. In one year, after studying and seeing thousands of situations in online poker you should be able to beat 2/4 Full Ring Limit. Perhaps I am wrong, thats just my point of view.
Almost everyone you see at a 2/4 full ring has played thousands of hands. Plenty of people who read the books suck ass; some people are just slow learners.
The problem you are facing is that the cost of rake is too overwhelming for a mediocre player like yourself to overcome.
Either you should get a prop account on a lesser known site, or if you're as cocky as i hope you may be, jump to 15/30+ where the cost of rake is proportionately a lot less.
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...at those stakes it's always hard to beat the rake, let alone deal with variance....
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It's not for everybody. Very few people can make a living at it. So YOU AND I CAN'T do it and have to work. Life goes on.
But why so negative and nasty to the ones that can or are still trying? Are you bitter because they can and you can't? And for the ones trying that won't be able to do it, let them figure it out on their own.
I think you are upset about something else and are taking it out on poker. I had the same dreams of being the next sbrugby but figured out on my own that $500 extra each month on top of my paycheck is still satisfying and more realistic.
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wtf I left the house and started living off poker 6 months ago playing 50nl and a bankroll of 800$, havent looked back since.
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wtf I left the house and started living off poker 6 months ago playing 50nl and a bankroll of 800$, havent looked back since.
LOL...How much is your mortgage?
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However in poker you dont have physical skills, you only master mental skills. In one year, after studying and seeing thousands of situations in online poker you should be able to beat 2/4 Full Ring Limit. Perhaps I am wrong, thats just my point of view.
Almost everyone you see at a 2/4 full ring has played thousands of hands. Plenty of people who read the books suck ass; some people are just slow learners.
The problem you are facing is that the cost of rake is too overwhelming for a mediocre player like yourself to overcome.
Either you should get a prop account on a lesser known site, or if you're as cocky as i hope you may be, jump to 15/30+ where the cost of rake is proportionately a lot less.
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You need to be doing this part time and working for a living. (I admit confusion here. How can you be on a division 1 tennis scholarship and still need to make a living?)
You cannot be afraid to lose.
You must be confident in your own strategies.
You've got to be quick at figuring odds and quicker at recognizing patterns.
You must love strategy games as has been pointed out by Dynasty.
Finally, you must leave all your winnings in your bankroll until you can play at the level that feels right to you. Bankroll and living money must always be separate.
Get rigorous physical exercise. In other words, play tennis too. Precisely because poker is a cerebral game you can't be at the top unless you maintain a healthy lifestyle.
Finally you must absolutely be honest with yourself. "To thine own self be true," said the bard. You should not be asking US what kind of person you need to become. You should be asking yourself, "Who am I?" What do I do well. What do I enjoy. Where are my passions? You can't just decide to play poker for a living. It doesn't work that way. You need to be passionate about the game. I hear that in Dynasty's story about Vegas (which I really enjoyed) and I hear it from my son who is a pro. Without that passion poker can at best be just another pass time or hobby for you. Honestly? The same is true of any profession. You must be passionate about your lifestyle in all its components.
I'm a lousy poker player but it's a great deal of fun. So I play. I'm trying to learn but I never played the game at all until after my son graduated from college. I understand why he likes it-actually is passionate about it-and I could never, ever make a living at it the way he does. I understand that because I know myself. So-get thee to a mirror and ask yourself those questions. Remember to be honest. The only person listening to your answers is you.
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"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"
ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?
These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge
He had A LOT less to work with. You're comparing apples and penguins. This is another sign of your less-than-basic understanding of the game.
Not really. Look closely and see that it took him a lot of time to get from ~$100 to $2,000. This is another sign of you less-than-basic observation skills.
Wow, you really are an idiot. You're comparing Chris using only 2 - 10% of his roll at a time to get to $2000 (that's with $2 - $10 on a $100 bankroll) to your six-month climb from $25NL to $50NL. If you have mental handicaps, you should really inform us immediately so that we know who we're dealing with. This has a lot less to do with observational skills than common sense. You're seriously retarded, and if one person in this world loved you they'd hire a caretaker to prevent you from walking into walls or pissing money away on experiments.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but Leatherass (stoxpoker blogger) built his bankroll and makes most of his profits doing just that.
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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis.
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Op can you clarify this for me:
"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"
ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?
These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge
He had A LOT less to work with. You're comparing apples and penguins. This is another sign of your less-than-basic understanding of the game.
Not really. Look closely and see that it took him a lot of time to get from ~$100 to $2,000. This is another sign of you less-than-basic observation skills.
Wow, you really are an idiot. You're comparing Chris using only 2 - 10% of his roll at a time to get to $2000 (that's with $2 - $10 on a $100 bankroll) to your six-month climb from $25NL to $50NL. If you have mental handicaps, you should really inform us immediately so that we know who we're dealing with. This has a lot less to do with observational skills than common sense. You're seriously retarded, and if one person in this world loved you they'd hire a caretaker to prevent you from walking into walls or pissing money away on experiments.
You stupid fak, it didnt take me six months to go from NL25 to NL50, it took me six months to go from NL5 to NL50-NL100. Stop embarassing yourself and go take ritalin so you can read better (although I think you are hopeless)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but Leatherass (stoxpoker blogger) built his bankroll and makes most of his profits doing just that.
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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis.
I sincerely hope this was intentional irony.
No. I was being an intentional arrogant matherfaker. You like it, dont you?
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Op can you clarify this for me:
"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"
ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?
These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge
He had A LOT less to work with. You're comparing apples and penguins. This is another sign of your less-than-basic understanding of the game.
Not really. Look closely and see that it took him a lot of time to get from ~$100 to $2,000. This is another sign of you less-than-basic observation skills.
Wow, you really are an idiot. You're comparing Chris using only 2 - 10% of his roll at a time to get to $2000 (that's with $2 - $10 on a $100 bankroll) to your six-month climb from $25NL to $50NL. If you have mental handicaps, you should really inform us immediately so that we know who we're dealing with. This has a lot less to do with observational skills than common sense. You're seriously retarded, and if one person in this world loved you they'd hire a caretaker to prevent you from walking into walls or pissing money away on experiments.
You stupid fak, it didnt take me six months to go from NL25 to NL50, it took me six months to go from NL5 to NL50-NL100. Stop embarassing yourself and go take ritalin so you can read better (although I think you are hopeless)
My points still stand, and you're still a retard. Sucks.
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Op can you clarify this for me:
"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"
ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?
These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge
He had A LOT less to work with. You're comparing apples and penguins. This is another sign of your less-than-basic understanding of the game.
Not really. Look closely and see that it took him a lot of time to get from ~$100 to $2,000. This is another sign of you less-than-basic observation skills.
Wow, you really are an idiot. You're comparing Chris using only 2 - 10% of his roll at a time to get to $2000 (that's with $2 - $10 on a $100 bankroll) to your six-month climb from $25NL to $50NL. If you have mental handicaps, you should really inform us immediately so that we know who we're dealing with. This has a lot less to do with observational skills than common sense. You're seriously retarded, and if one person in this world loved you they'd hire a caretaker to prevent you from walking into walls or pissing money away on experiments.
You stupid fak, it didnt take me six months to go from NL25 to NL50, it took me six months to go from NL5 to NL50-NL100. Stop embarassing yourself and go take ritalin so you can read better (although I think you are hopeless)
My points still stand, and you're still a retard. Sucks.
Nothing like stubornness and stupidity combined in one person. If you are an American, the UIGEA might have had some sort of enhancing effect on your disability. I feel sorry really. My point still stands, you are hopeless.
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