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SL__72
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Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes
      #12541923 - 10/17/07 12:33 PM

I think its time for a new thread, if not, feel free to lock this.

A lot of this is copy/pasted from Josem's last cliffnotes, so thanks Josem for those.

Previous thread here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

Short version:
There is almost indisputable proof that users at AP were cheating by somehow viewing the whole cards of their opponents. Some information has come out that indicates an AP employee or ex-employee may have been involved. There is further evidence that it may be ex-owner, Scott Tom.

Long version:

1) During a tournament played by cheater 'Potripper,' the person who ended up coming second ("Marco") thought he was cheated. He emailed Absolute, and they sent him a hand history file - an XLS file.

2) Marco opened up this file, it seemed all gibberish to him, and he didn't think anything of it.

3) First Absolute Poker scandal blow up - PT screenshots, etc. Graphical representation here: http://www.absolutepokercheats.com/vpipvbb.jpg

4) Fortnight passes

5) In passing discussion, Marco mentions he has this file. He shares it with a few people, including N 80 50 24(pokerdb.com maintainer, maker of The Poker Film, part owner of Bluff Media) who analyses what is in this file

6) Nat (N 80 50 24) & 2p2 poster Snagglepuss discover that this file is a complete hand history for the tournament - showing every table, and all hole cards of every player.

Hand histories here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1
Youtube video of hands being replayed here

Quote:

Also, for the straight dope on how this we got to this point, check out N825024's blog at http://www.natarem.com/.




7)In further analysis of the spreadsheet, Nat and Snagglepuss determine that the IP address, user number and email address of observers has been documented.

8)In 7, they determine that an account with user number 363 observes Potripper's table from 2 minutes into the tournament until the end.

9) At the start of the tournament, for the two hands that user #363 is not observing the table, Potripper folds preflop. He doesn't fold another hand pre-flop for 20minutes, when he open-folds with KK held by a player behind him.

10) They also discover another observer, with the same IP (in San Jose, Costa Rica), with a different user number and the email address scott@rivieraltd.com, observing another table for a short period of time.

11) It is speculated that 10 could be Potripper's user account.

12) It was determined that the domain rivieraltd.com was pointing to a mail server which happened to be on an IP allocated to Absolute Entertainment SA, at Mohawk Internet Technologies' data center.

12.5) Shortly (within an hour or two) after the findings in 12 are posted here, the DNS information for rivieraltd.com is deleted.

13)The IP associated with the observer in #10 turns out to be a residential cable modem registered to Scott Tom, AP's President as of 2005.

14)Mason weighs in on things here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=12536144&page=0&vc=1

15)Absolute sends an email to one player saying they will undergo a formal audit from gamingassociates.com here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=12537406&page=0&vc=1. AP also claims Scott Tom has not been employed by AP for over a year, although he's made posts on 2+2 spamming for AP as recently as June of this year.

16) Steven D. Levitt posts about this story on his NY Times blog for the second time:
First post
New post

10/17 update:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.


If I've missed anything important, let me know.

Edited by adanthar (10/17/07 09:15 PM)


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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: SL__72]
      #12541987 - 10/17/07 12:39 PM

Awesome cliff notes...

Although, it involves a lot of clicking....you got all the main points !


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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: Vavavoom]
      #12542068 - 10/17/07 12:46 PM

nice job. The word is really spreading. Anyone know what's next?

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Zach Belden
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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: poker1O1]
      #12542094 - 10/17/07 12:48 PM

wait, people try to cheat in poker?

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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: Zach Belden]
      #12542112 - 10/17/07 12:50 PM

Quote:

wait, people try to cheat in poker?




Is this supposed to be funny? Can't we stop this already?


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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: poker1O1]
      #12542140 - 10/17/07 12:52 PM

very nice, excellent for those of us who dont want to trawl through the other thread. ty

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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: Zach Belden]
      #12542217 - 10/17/07 12:57 PM

Quote:

wait, people try to cheat in poker?




Ban please!

Some of us are actually trying to keep up with this.


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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: ama0330]
      #12542316 - 10/17/07 01:04 PM

13 1/2) The IP address that this 'other' account was logged in from was traced to the home cable modem of Scott Tom, CEO of Absolute poker. scott@rivieraltd.com is apparently the CEO, and is also possibly (not certain) POTRIPPER.

15 1/2) The email contained a claim by Absolute that Scott Tom has not been associated with AP for over a year.


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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: SL__72]
      #12542326 - 10/17/07 01:04 PM

let's do this...

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Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes [Re: KurtSF]
      #12542371 - 10/17/07 01:08 PM

So what happens next? What action is taken against Scott Tom and how long has this been going on?

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