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Alter Ego
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I realize the game can't be explained in a few sentences like the OP requested, but take it for what it is. A light-hearted request used to garner discussion/join the group.
Why do people think that I was looking for a summary of how to play poker in two sentences?
A win rate is a number. It is not a concept. You can break that win rate down into components. These components can tell you where you're extracting the most money.
I don't understand how 1/2 the people responded with useful concepts, 1/2 the people don't understand the question and post drivel, and I'm supposed to be banned? If this isn't the forum for people to post newbie NL questions, can someone direct me to the appropriate one?? THANKS
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Dave I
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Why do people think that I was looking for a summary of how to play poker in two sentences?
Oh I don't' know...
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best strategy in a sentence or two.
BTW - I was sticking up for you till you got all disgruntled.
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Grunch
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Why do people think that I was looking for a summary of how to play poker in two sentences?
This is why I came to that conclusion:
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Small Stakes NL, best strategy in a sentence or two.
So, if I misundertood your question, then I'm sorry. Please rephrase the question so we understand it the way you intended.
This is the place for newbie questions. Ask them all. I'm not offended by your question, and I don't think it's a stupid question at all. In fact, I think it's a pretty important question -- the way I understood it -- becasue I know a lot of new players think that you can play poker by following little charts & guidelines, but you can't. That's why I'm still invested in this thread.
And by the way, I'm not going to ban you, and unless I missed something, I don't know why you would conclude that I am.
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Alter Ego
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None of his little colloquialisms are actually untrue here, but reading them doesn't help you play poker well, or even stop playing poker badly. You've made no progress.
Maybe this is my mistake, and I should apologize for the misconception, but I was not looking for a shortcut to playing perfect poker.
I'm drawing a blank, but there's some famous post in SS limit about not folding hands in big pots. I think the basic concepts of playing well pre-flop, value betting, and not folding big pots for 1 bet on the river are central concepts to playing SS limit poker. I was looking for similar concepts in NL. Yes reading and studying helps. But in SS NL, is pre-flop more important than the turn or river? Which is most important? How important is reading opponents compared to limit? What about value betting, and nut peddling? These are all great things, but can one list them in order of importance? What is first on the list? That's what I was looking for. Forgive my frustration in not seeing why this is a difficult question.
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g3rkshz
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There was a very similar (and long) post about a year ago (probably on a differnt board) on this subject. I suggest some1 searches for it
here's a few:
Advice from a MHNL'er
Advice from a MHNL'er, Post #2
Advice f/ a MHNL'er Post #3
Deep Stacks, Implied Odds, Preflop Play and The State of SSNL
Trip Report: Beating NL25 and NL50
My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage
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Grunch
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I know you probably didn't think this, but I have to make this very clear:
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there's some famous post in SS limit about not folding hands in big pots
This is very not true in no-limit! I know the post you're talking about. It doesn't apply here.
So, maybe you're trying to get an idea where you should start studying? Whether you should focus on PF or postflop first?
Well, if that's you question, then I can give you my answer. (Others may disagree) IMO, new players should focus mostly on preflop first, becasue the biggest mistake new players make is playing too many hands.
But (and this is a big but) the money in hold'em is made postflop. So even while you're focusing on PF play, you should be thinking about postflop too. They go hand in hand.
Preflop errors are generally small. On the order of 3 blinds or so. (Paradoxically, small preflop errors often lead you down a road where you make very big postflop errors.) But postflop the errors are very large, becasue the posts are so large and in no-limit, the bets are so large.
By the way, when Ed Miller made that post you were talking about, it shook the limit community here pretty hard. The concept was argued back & forth vigorously for a long time, and it's still somewhat controversial even today. There have been some really great posts here in the NL forums, too, and some of them are linked up in the "compendium" sticky at the top of this forum. You'd do well by reading through those posts.
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Grunch
Bounty Hunter
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But, the above quote seems quite condescending, like the rest of us are idiots.
That's not what I meant; I hope you & everyone understand this.
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tehox
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I humbly object to the existence of this entire thread.
Sorry, wasnt trying to start a big debate or post a dumb question, but I'm new to the game and genuinely curious.
The fact that you are asking this question tells me you have very little understanding of the game. I won't make fun of you for that like some other posters, I will just say that if there is an answer to this question, its the same one you'll get from any winning player at any level: winning is about exploiting your opponents' weaknesses. The problem is that now that I've said that, you still have no idea what I'm talking about.
More importantly, your believing that the key to being a winning SSNL player can be summed up in a sentence or two is dangerously counterproductive to your attempts to improve.
I honestly suggest that you go play 10k hands, then attempt to formulate, in a single sentence, why you won or lost.
get over yourself
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climber
lowrolla
Reged: 09/22/04
Posts: 1357
Loc: out on my broke ass
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I think his question is a good one.
While you are right that the statements that have been offered wont make a newb a winning player I think they are quite valuable in the right hands.
2+2 is made of many boards and many types of poker. From full to 6-max to HU. From NL to limit to PL Omaha. Each form of poker is optimally played very differently. Just cause someone who posts here doesnt know a lot about SSNL is no reason to assume that they dont play poker well or wouldnt know what to do with intelligent answers to their question.
If you dont want to asnwer a post click the back button and move on. That said this thread has a lot of good stuff in it and while the signal-to-noise raito is fairly high it is the kind of thing that a link to in the FAQ could be good for.
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Alter Ego
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there's some famous post in SS limit about not folding hands in big pots
This is very not true in no-limit! I know the post you're talking about. It doesn't apply here.
It was an analogy. "That dont fold post" : SS LIMIT :: "?????????" : SS NL
I was attempting to show you what I was looking for, not suggest that it is true in NL. There's a huge difference.
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So, maybe you're trying to get an idea where you should start studying?
That is another way to look at it, sure.
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Whether you should focus on PF or postflop first?
Well, if that's you question, then I can give you my answer. (Others may disagree) IMO, new players should focus mostly on preflop first, becasue the biggest mistake new players make is playing too many hands.
But (and this is a big but) the money in hold'em is made postflop. So even while you're focusing on PF play, you should be thinking about postflop too. They go hand in hand.
Preflop errors are generally small. On the order of 3 blinds or so. (Paradoxically, small preflop errors often lead you down a road where you make very big postflop errors.) But postflop the errors are very large, becasue the posts are so large and in no-limit, the bets are so large.
Okay, we're getting somewhere. So play tight pre-flop, but focus more on bigger post-flop mistakes. How would you categorize the #1 mistake that newbie SS NL players make post-flop? Too passive play? Folding too little/too much? Betting too little?
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By the way, when Ed Miller made that post you were talking about, it shook the limit community here pretty hard. The concept was argued back & forth vigorously for a long time, and it's still somewhat controversial even today. There have been some really great posts here in the NL forums, too, and some of them are linked up in the "compendium" sticky at the top of this forum. You'd do well by reading through those posts.
Great, I would love to see posts like these.
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