younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 12:29 PM
im in the well

so its my turn, fire away

Grunch
(Bounty Hunter)
07/17/06 12:34 PM
Re: im in the well

Don't want to beat a dead horse, but I've been looking for a way to get this question out to the forum for a while...

younghov17,

What is your opinion of the corrent state of the SSNL forum? What would you like to see happen here?


mosuavea
(Mayor of Weaktightville)
07/17/06 12:35 PM
Re: im in the well

To those who missed dbitel's original

Quote:

A stranger is being shown around a village that he has just become part of. He is shown a well and his guide says "On any day except tuesday, you can shout any question down that well and you'll be told the answer" . The man seems pretty impressed, and so he shouts down: Why not on tuesday? and the voice from in the well shouts back: Because on tuesday, its your day in teh well .


So my idea is that every weekend, one poster starts up this thread and is "in the well" for the weekend. I'll start this weekend. You may ask me any question about whatever you like. Whether it be about life/SSNL/poker/sport....whatever, as crazy or as sensible as you like, and I will answer to the best of my abilities.





It was decided there will be two well goers per week split up Monday/Teusday and Wednesday/Thursday.


mosuavea
(Mayor of Weaktightville)
07/17/06 12:37 PM
Re: im in the well

younghov,

How old are you.


littlebu
(addict)
07/17/06 12:39 PM
Re: im in the well

When you find yourself running badly and beginning to tilt what is the best method to regain confidence? Do you play through it, take some time off and look at all the dumb plays you've made, or take some time off and don't think of poker at all

jjigglers
(veteran)
07/17/06 12:40 PM
Re: im in the well

Are any online poker sites rigged?

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 12:43 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Don't want to beat a dead horse, but I've been looking for a way to get this question out to the forum for a while...

younghov17,

What is your opinion of the corrent state of the SSNL forum? What would you like to see happen here?




well ive only been here a few months so i dont rly have past knowledge of it to compare to, but in and of itself i think its good. i do agree with dbitel that there are a lot of hands that seem so standard, but those are the same hands i had trouble with when i first started, so i definitly understand why they are posted. i still think it would do the board well to branch off a seperate forum for micro limits, say25 nl and under, leaving ssnl for 50 100 and 200 nl.

but when its all said and done, most hands get a wide range of advice from players of very different styles so you can definitly get new perspectives on hard situations.

i think the mods do a good job here

and lastly i think AJ should pm me his party id


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 12:44 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov,

How old are you.




22


yasher
(Pooh-Bah)
07/17/06 12:47 PM
Re: im in the well

younghov,

- What Jay-Z song/album originally turned you onto him? What's your favorite song, favorite album?

- What are the biggest differences between your play and that of FH and dbitel that lead to such interesting disuccions in some hand postings?

yasher


ChipStorm
(Village FR Nit)
07/17/06 12:48 PM
Re: im in the well

younghov,

What level stakes do you play? If you've never changed levels, then how did you get started at your level?

I'm hoping you have changed levels, though, that is, moved up; and if so, here's the followup: How did it go for you? Did you have to move back down again at some point? Did you learn anything from the experience, about opponent skills at each level? About bankroll/discipline management?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 12:53 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Are any online poker sites rigged?




definitly party poker


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 12:55 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

When you find yourself running badly and beginning to tilt what is the best method to regain confidence? Do you play through it, take some time off and look at all the dumb plays you've made, or take some time off and don't think of poker at all




i just keep hammering out hands, usually take 30 minutes off after a rly bad run of suckouts to cool off, then comeback and just play a lot of hands the best i can. tilt was definitly 1 of my biggest problems, but im getting a lot better at controlling it


los_toros
(Pooh-Bah)
07/17/06 12:55 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov,

What level stakes do you play? If you've never changed levels, then how did you get started at your level?

I'm hoping you have changed levels, though, that is, moved up; and if so, here's the followup: How did it go for you? Did you have to move back down again at some point? Did you learn anything from the experience, about opponent skills at each level? About bankroll/discipline management?




Jamougha
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 12:56 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

Are any online poker sites rigged?




definitly party poker




Funnily enough, the company that runs Party Poker used to run an online casino, and the BJ was shown to be rigged by Wizard of Odds.

My advice, don't play party BJ.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 12:56 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov,

- What Jay-Z song/album originally turned you onto him? What's your favorite song, favorite album?

- What are the biggest differences between your play and that of FH and dbitel that lead to such interesting disuccions in some hand postings?

yasher




volume 1, i still think its a great cd. his best album for me is either rd or volume 2 with bp cioming a close second. favorite song is a dream


4_2_it
(Donktastic)
07/17/06 12:57 PM
Re: im in the well

How many 5 year olds?

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 12:59 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov,

What level stakes do you play? If you've never changed levels, then how did you get started at your level?

I'm hoping you have changed levels, though, that is, moved up; and if so, here's the followup: How did it go for you? Did you have to move back down again at some point? Did you learn anything from the experience, about opponent skills at each level? About bankroll/discipline management?




i play nl 400 now. i actually started poker november of last year playing limit, after about a month and a half of realizing limit poker is [censored] i moved to nl, havent looked back. started at nl 50 and worked my way up.

ive never had to move down a level after moving up, tho it generally takes me about 5k hands to get acclimated to the general tendencies of the average player at that stakes.

br management is the same at any level i believe, ive never moved up or gambled at high stakes to win back nmy losses for a bad run, just not me. i do have very good br management as i think its definitly an important part of winning at poker


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:00 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov,

- What Jay-Z song/album originally turned you onto him? What's your favorite song, favorite album?

- What are the biggest differences between your play and that of FH and dbitel that lead to such interesting disuccions in some hand postings?

yasher




oh b4 i answer the 2nd part, who is FH?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:00 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

How many 5 year olds?




none, too young for kids


los_toros
(Pooh-Bah)
07/17/06 01:00 PM
Re: im in the well

How often do you take shots? Assuming you're comfortable at 400NL now, how soon do you see yourself at 600NL?

4_2_it
(Donktastic)
07/17/06 01:01 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

who is FH?




Fallen Hero


mosuavea
(Mayor of Weaktightville)
07/17/06 01:01 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

How many 5 year olds?




none, too young for kids




Someone missed that thread


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:05 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

who is FH?




Fallen Hero




inh that case i cant rly comment on fh, i dont recall reading many of his posts as of late, but dbitel i can.

my style or advice usually goes against what the board as a whole thinks, not rly sure why, perhaps we just view poker differently. a few things that me and dbitel do very differently, he plays draws that i dont consider strong enough to continue with givin the situation very agressivly, usually 3 betting or check raising all in a lot of the time. he also calls raises with a much wider range of cards than i do. from my experience creating situations for yourself that require fold equity when your playing in a sea of donkeys is usually a bad idea. he does play at fulltilt tho so its probably much different than party where people do not fold unless they have absolutly nothing.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:07 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

How often do you take shots? Assuming you're comfortable at 400NL now, how soon do you see yourself at 600NL?




usually dont take shots, i make a move up to the next level and multi table it when i have the br and i feel im good enough. i definitly have the br and i feel i could beat it but nl 400 is so easy and u can make good money there so im not in any rush to move up, but probably plan to move around august, or at least try it out


mosuavea
(Mayor of Weaktightville)
07/17/06 01:08 PM
Re: im in the well

How often do you cashout? Is poker your only source of income?

4_2_it
(Donktastic)
07/17/06 01:09 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

How many 5 year olds?




none, too young for kids




Sorry, I thought most 2+2ers were aware of this thread.


jakeduke
(old hand)
07/17/06 01:11 PM
Re: im in the well

EDIT: Deleted - 4_2_it beat me to linking to the 5 year olds thread.

los_toros
(Pooh-Bah)
07/17/06 01:14 PM
Re: im in the well

It seems like you are successful at 400NL. What are you beating the game for and what software do you use?

dazraf69
(old hand)
07/17/06 01:15 PM
Re: im in the well

In a 1 or two day span what kind of swings have you expereinced on a regular basis?

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:16 PM
Re: im in the well

hahahahaha, funny thread. probly a good 40 to 50. might seem like a lot but u have to remember 1 left hook and its nap time, and every one you put to bed leaves 1 less in the total field. id use a hit and run technique

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:17 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

How often do you cashout? Is poker your only source of income?




poker is my only source of income, i quit my job about 2 weeks ago because im making so much more in poker. i dont cash out i just use my monthly rb as my living money. make about 4.5 to 5g a month off rb


epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/17/06 01:17 PM
Re: im in the well

Upon meeting a girl and acquiring her number, what is your standard for waiting to call? I'm pretty sure industry standard is two days. I wait six days.

What is the worst hand you've ever played?


avfletch
(veteran)
07/17/06 01:17 PM
Re: im in the well

What kinds of situations do you like bluffing in? What factors tend to make you bluff? Do you think there is a place for it in SSNL?

No prizes for guessing what thread prompted this question.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:20 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

It seems like you are successful at 400NL. What are you beating the game for and what software do you use?




i think i can definitly beat the game for 5 to 6/bb 100. i was beating it at almost 8bb/100 for almost 50k hands then i hit a terrible downswing, which brought on massive tilt and lost 20 buyins over the course of about a week. won it back then went down about 10 more, this time with very little tilt. anyway this lasted about 75 k hands so my winrate was definitly killed, dropped to like 2.something. doing much better now tho, think my last 30 soemthing k hands im at like 5.2bb/100

i use pt, poker ace, and party planner


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:21 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Upon meeting a girl and acquiring her number, what is your standard for waiting to call? I'm pretty sure industry standard is two days. I wait six days.

What is the worst hand you've ever played?




6 days is a bit much for me, 2 days is optimal

worst in terms of how i played, or worst in the play by villian was so bad but he won anyaw


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:22 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

In a 1 or two day span what kind of swings have you expereinced on a regular basis?




msot ive lost in 2 days was 10 buyins, this was at nl 100 when i had no tilt control at all, on average my swings in a given session are usually no more than 3 buyins down.


epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/17/06 01:22 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

Upon meeting a girl and acquiring her number, what is your standard for waiting to call? I'm pretty sure industry standard is two days. I wait six days.

What is the worst hand you've ever played?




6 days is a bit much for me, 2 days is optimal

worst in terms of how i played, or worst in the play by villian was so bad but he won anyaw




1. I fear you missed the reference to one of the great movies of our time.

2. The worst mistake you ever made in a hand.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:25 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

What kinds of situations do you like bluffing in? What factors tend to make you bluff? Do you think there is a place for it in SSNL?

No prizes for guessing what thread prompted this question.




my bluffing frequency is pretyt low in general, there is a place for it in ssnl but i think people try to bluff far too often.
i rly dont bluff very often even v tag players because most of them are stations in their own right and will fold a high, but not a tptk/overpair type hand. in general you should only bluff when u have nothing, but u think they have nothing to, and u will do just fine. dont try to push stations off of middle pair, bottom pair, especially top/overpair because your spewing.


mosuavea
(Mayor of Weaktightville)
07/17/06 01:25 PM
Re: im in the well

If youre making that much via RB you have to be playing an assload of hands and crushing the game. Win/rate? Number of hands?

RussianBear
(veteran)
07/17/06 01:27 PM
Re: im in the well

First hand of the WSOP ME, first place pays $10 million, a kick-ass diamond-studded bracelet, two hookers and a bag of dope. You're in the BB, UTG opens all in, the next player goes all in, before you know it everyone at the table is all in, you look down to find an ace of diamonds and an ace of clubs.....do you call?

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:27 PM
Re: im in the well

now that i quit i play about 75k hands a month. for the next year ill pretty much just be playing poker and lifting weights, want to make a lot of money and begin investing so i have a good source of income for the rest of my life. my goal is to never have to work a 9 to 5 again.

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:30 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

First hand of the WSOP ME, first place pays $10 million, a kick-ass diamond-studded bracelet, two hookers and a bag of dope. You're in the BB, UTG opens all in, the next player goes all in, before you know it everyone at the table is all in, you look down to find an ace of diamonds and an ace of clubs.....do you call?




i certainly do, tho i think most tourney plays would suggest a fold here?

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1835574
pokenum -h ad ac - as kc - js jd - qd qh - 9s ts - kh qc
Holdem Hi: 658008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ad 334374 50.82 315523 47.95 8111 1.23 0.513
As Kc 9609 1.46 638540 97.04 9859 1.50 0.021
Js Jd 107968 16.41 548036 83.29 2004 0.30 0.165
Qd Qh 54512 8.28 600170 91.21 3326 0.51 0.084
Ts 9s 123784 18.81 532220 80.88 2004 0.30 0.189
Qc Kh 16580 2.52 636354 96.71 5074 0.77 0.028

i dont think u are going to get a much better shot at WINNING the entire tourney in 1 hand. with that many people in peoples hands have to be blocking everyone elses hands from hitting the board


CappyAA
(Always Be Closing)
07/17/06 01:32 PM
Re: im in the well

How do you get RB if you're on party? (Note - this may be a naive question, but the reason I dont play party is b/c of no RB)

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:33 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

now that i quit i play about 75k hands a month. for the next year ill pretty much just be playing poker and lifting weights, want to make a lot of money and begin investing so i have a good source of income for the rest of my life. my goal is to never have to work a 9 to 5 again.




forgot to include winrate, after my downswing it dropped to 2.5ish, but its gettign back. heres a recent graph



mosuavea
(Mayor of Weaktightville)
07/17/06 01:35 PM
Re: im in the well

Looks good, do you adhere to a strict 20buyin for the next level before moving up? Now that you are playing for a living, do you plan to keep more than 20 for your level?

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:36 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

How do you get RB if you're on party? (Note - this may be a naive question, but the reason I dont play party is b/c of no RB)




i hope what im about to say isnt breaking the rules, bit i think it will be ok

theres no easy way to get rb at party, as u wont find it advertised anywhere. i know in my situation i happen to be friends with a few affiliates, but thats the only way i know of


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:36 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Looks good, do you adhere to a strict 20buyin for the next level before moving up? Now that you are playing for a living, do you plan to keep more than 20 for your level?




id want 30 to move up, so i wouldnt worry about the $$ if i lost a few big pots.


RussianBear
(veteran)
07/17/06 01:39 PM
Re: im in the well

I'm with you, I just was dying to use my "two hookers and a bag of dope" line.

mosuavea
(Mayor of Weaktightville)
07/17/06 01:40 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

I'm with you, I just was dying to use my "two hookers and a bag of dope" line.




You could have just said,

hov, is there anything better in Vegas than hookers and blow?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:43 PM
Re: im in the well

i actually havent been to vegas yet so i cant accuratly answer that question, but ill asume not

dazraf69
(old hand)
07/17/06 01:45 PM
Re: im in the well

What did you change between the time you tilted and lost 10 buyins and now?

dregal
(veteran)
07/17/06 01:47 PM
Re: im in the well

First off, I would like to thank you for your recent contributions to this forum. Since you've come back, I think you've made a lot of very good posts filled with some good advice. I've personally found them very helpful, so thanks

2 questions:

1)Where are you from?

2)How do you play SC's (56s - 89s) in the following scenarios. Assume normal 100bb stacks, typical party table (couple fishies, maybe one other decent TAGish player)

A) UTG
B) UTG + 1 is its folded to you. If UTG open limps?
C) Btn with 1-2 limpers.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:48 PM
Re: im in the well

emailed party and told them to unrig my cards, most of my downswing was suckouts, probly only about 3 or 4 buyins were tilt. example

i raise on button with qq, donkey sb clls with 250 stack bb folds. flop

4 7 j

check i bet, he checkraises all in, i call

turn 3

river 9

he turns over 93o


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 01:49 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

First off, I would like to thank you for your recent contributions to this forum. Since you've come back, I think you've made a lot of very good posts filled with some good advice. I've personally found them very helpful, so thanks

2 questions:

1)Where are you from?

2)How do you play SC's (56s - 89s) in the following scenarios. Assume normal 100bb stacks, typical party table (couple fishies, maybe one other decent TAGish player)

A) UTG
B) UTG + 1 is its folded to you. If UTG open limps?
C) Btn with 1-2 limpers.




1. LA

2. a-fold
b-fold
c-cll 85%, raise 15%


dregal
(veteran)
07/17/06 01:54 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

First off, I would like to thank you for your recent contributions to this forum. Since you've come back, I think you've made a lot of very good posts filled with some good advice. I've personally found them very helpful, so thanks

2 questions:

1)Where are you from?

2)How do you play SC's (56s - 89s) in the following scenarios. Assume normal 100bb stacks, typical party table (couple fishies, maybe one other decent TAGish player)

A) UTG
B) UTG + 1 is its folded to you. If UTG open limps?
C) Btn with 1-2 limpers.




1. LA

2. a-fold
b-fold
c-cll 85%, raise 15%




Should have added that I am speaking about 6 max. Does that change b at all? I was thinking more along the line of raise vs call (limp). What are your reasons for folding?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:01 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

First off, I would like to thank you for your recent contributions to this forum. Since you've come back, I think you've made a lot of very good posts filled with some good advice. I've personally found them very helpful, so thanks

2 questions:

1)Where are you from?

2)How do you play SC's (56s - 89s) in the following scenarios. Assume normal 100bb stacks, typical party table (couple fishies, maybe one other decent TAGish player)

A) UTG
B) UTG + 1 is its folded to you. If UTG open limps?
C) Btn with 1-2 limpers.




1. LA

2. a-fold
b-fold
c-cll 85%, raise 15%




Should have added that I am speaking about 6 max. Does that change b at all? I was thinking more along the line of raise vs call (limp). What are your reasons for folding?




yes i play 6 max too. folding the 1st 2 because im not trying to play drawing hands oop v a possible raise v calling stations. you dont thit enough and u have no fold equity.


directscooter
(enthusiast)
07/17/06 02:07 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

First off, I would like to thank you for your recent contributions to this forum. Since you've come back, I think you've made a lot of very good posts filled with some good advice. I've personally found them very helpful, so thanks

2 questions:

1)Where are you from?

2)How do you play SC's (56s - 89s) in the following scenarios. Assume normal 100bb stacks, typical party table (couple fishies, maybe one other decent TAGish player)

A) UTG
B) UTG + 1 is its folded to you. If UTG open limps?
C) Btn with 1-2 limpers.




1. LA

2. a-fold
b-fold
c-cll 85%, raise 15%




Should have added that I am speaking about 6 max. Does that change b at all? I was thinking more along the line of raise vs call (limp). What are your reasons for folding?




yes i play 6 max too. folding the 1st 2 because im not trying to play drawing hands oop v a possible raise v calling stations. you dont thit enough and u have no fold equity.




Just wondering what your PT stats are... ex 23/13/3???


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:17 PM
Re: im in the well

22.91/14.10/3.89

ChipStorm
(Village FR Nit)
07/17/06 02:18 PM
Re: im in the well

younghov17,

How many tables at a time, and what's your computer rig like? In learning to multitable, did you just take to it, or did it take a while to work up to your current table count?

Thanks....


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:20 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov17,

How many tables at a time, and what's your computer rig like? In learning to multitable, did you just take to it, or did it take a while to work up to your current table count?

Thanks....




took me some time to get fast enough with my decision making at first, now i 8 table tho. my rig is decent, pentium 4 2.6, 19 inch monitor, 1 gb of ram


directscooter
(enthusiast)
07/17/06 02:22 PM
Re: im in the well

Thanks... reason I asked is because I am about 23/12/3ish and I will raise SC's, Axs in EP, so I must be missing raising hands in later positions.

Stealthy
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 02:35 PM
Re: im in the well

If you raise a top but vulnerable PP pre flop, JJ or TT for example and only get called by BB with no read what do you do in the following spots.

1. Flop A x x, he checks, you bet and he mini-raises

2. Flop A x x, he checks, you bet and he makes a proper raise amount.

3. Flop A x x, he makes a pot lead

4. Same action as 1 but the board is also very drawy A 7 6

5. Same action as 2 but with A 7 6

6. Same action as 3 but with A 7 6

Does anything change if the top card is a Queen or King?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:38 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

If you raise a top but vulnerable PP pre flop, JJ or TT for example and only get called by BB with no read what do you do in the following spots.

1. Flop A x x, he checks, you bet and he mini-raises

2. Flop A x x, he checks, you bet and he makes a proper raise amount.

3. Flop A x x, he makes a pot lead

4. Same action as 1 but the board is also very drawy A 7 6

5. Same action as 2 but with A 7 6

6. Same action as 3 but with A 7 6

Does anything change if the top card is a Queen or King?




a lot of these are opponent dependent but v an unknown

1 - fold

2 - fold

3 - fold

4 - fold

5 - fold

6 - fold

not rly


awarunn
(addict)
07/17/06 02:38 PM
Re: im in the well

1. How does your family feel about you 'gamblin for a living'?

2. When, if ever, do you cold call a preflop raise on the button with a marginal hand (KJ,KJs,JTs,QJs,small sc's,ATs,AJ, etc.)?


Slap My Jack
(Pooh-Bah)
07/17/06 02:39 PM
Re: im in the well

Settle this debate between goofyballr and I about Grunch's current avatar:

In Grunch's avatar, , the children are having an orgy and the Koolaid dude bursts in.

Is it disturbing that the Koolaid dude is bursting in on child orgies, or should we find it reassuring that the Koolaid dude acts as an authority figure to irresponsible sex-crazed children?

Thank you in advance.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:40 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

1. How does your family feel about you 'gamblin for a living'?

2. When, if ever, do you cold call a preflop raise on the button with a marginal hand (KJ,KJs,JTs,QJs,small sc's,ATs,AJ, etc.)?




1 - my mom supports me because she trusts in my judgement, honestly except for a few other members of my family i dont particularly like,care what most of them think.

2 - when he has a wide raising range/is a bad player.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:42 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Settle this debate between goofyballr and I about Grunch's current avatar:

In Grunch's avatar, , the children are having an orgy and the Koolaid dude bursts in.

Is it disturbing that the Koolaid dude is bursting in on child orgies, or should we find it reassuring that the Koolaid dude acts as an authority figure to irresponsible sex-crazed children?

Thank you in advance.




clearly the avatar is a subconcious cry for help that grunch has some strange attraction to young boys


Stealthy
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 02:46 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

If you raise a top but vulnerable PP pre flop, JJ or TT for example and only get called by BB with no read what do you do in the following spots.

1. Flop A x x, he checks, you bet and he mini-raises

2. Flop A x x, he checks, you bet and he makes a proper raise amount.

3. Flop A x x, he makes a pot lead

4. Same action as 1 but the board is also very drawy A 7 6

5. Same action as 2 but with A 7 6

6. Same action as 3 but with A 7 6

Does anything change if the top card is a Queen or King?




a lot of these are opponent dependent but v an unknown

1 - fold

2 - fold

3 - fold

4 - fold

5 - fold

6 - fold

not rly




During my running ice cold, about to leave Party for good stage, I included a 2k hands super LAG monkey tilt stage. In doing this I also discovered that a lot of these check-raises were players taking shots with very little.

1. Does this matter?

2. Should we still not get involved when played back at V unknowns without at least top pair and/or a good draw?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:47 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

If you raise a top but vulnerable PP pre flop, JJ or TT for example and only get called by BB with no read what do you do in the following spots.

1. Flop A x x, he checks, you bet and he mini-raises

2. Flop A x x, he checks, you bet and he makes a proper raise amount.

3. Flop A x x, he makes a pot lead

4. Same action as 1 but the board is also very drawy A 7 6

5. Same action as 2 but with A 7 6

6. Same action as 3 but with A 7 6

Does anything change if the top card is a Queen or King?




a lot of these are opponent dependent but v an unknown

1 - fold

2 - fold

3 - fold

4 - fold

5 - fold

6 - fold

not rly




During my running ice cold, about to leave Party for good stage, I included a 2k hands super LAG monkey tilt stage. In doing this I also discovered that a lot of these check-raises were players taking shots with very little.

1. Does this matter?

2. Should we still not get involved when played back at V unknowns without at least top pair and/or a good draw?




it could be, but if they do have the ace ur drawing to 2 outs, dont wanna risk my stack just to play bluff catchers


MRBAA
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 02:50 PM
Re: im in the well

Calling here is probably wrong because it actually won't give you that great a chance to win the tourney. Remember, there are like 10,000 entrants ($10mm prize pool), so aggregating 9 stakes, while it's great, isn't going to give you an advantage that makes it worth flipping a coin right away, imho.

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:54 PM
Re: im in the well

10 player tables, 50% chance to increase your stack by a factor of 10, and if u dotn someone else with a much lower chance will, im calling here every time

Stealthy
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 02:57 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

emailed party and told them to unrig my cards,




Did you really do this? If so what was their response and did u hit an immediate upswing?


Freelancer
(Pooh-Bah)
07/17/06 02:58 PM
Re: im in the well

How profitable do you think LAG is compared to TAG? Do you think 'extreme LAG' as discussed in http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post6570688 thread can be more profitable than solid TAG play?

(talking mostly about the 60/40 play EP is trying out/tried out)


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 02:59 PM
Re: im in the well

they said if i agree to generate at least 14k gross rake the next month theyll turn off the doomswitch. but if i fail to meet that goal they will see to it i experience suckouts to a degree never before seen in online poker. so i have to play a lot this month

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 03:00 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

How profitable do you think LAG is compared to TAG? Do you think 'extreme LAG' as discussed in http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post6570688 thread can be more profitable than solid TAG play?

(talking mostly about the 60/40 play EP is trying out/tried out)




it can be profitible if your opponents are EXTREMELY bad(i mean bad, all in with 6 high bad), but i would love to have someone playing that style sit at my table any day


Stealthy
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 03:01 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

they said if i agree to generate at least 14k gross rake the next month theyll turn off the doomswitch. but if i fail to meet that goal they will see to it i experience suckouts to a degree never before seen in online poker. so i have to play a lot this month




lol, a simple "no" would have sufficed!


jjigglers
(veteran)
07/17/06 03:02 PM
Re: im in the well

How do you get into the well? Sounds fun.

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 03:03 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

How do you get into the well? Sounds fun.




the current well dweller picks


kokiri
(Pooh-Bah)
07/17/06 03:07 PM
Re: im in the well

do you think pretending to be a girl in online poker is +EV?

Freelancer
(Pooh-Bah)
07/17/06 03:07 PM
Re: im in the well

If you have the choice between saving your mother and a 20 year old person in the best part off there life, who would you save? (considering that your mother is ~60 years old?)

jjigglers
(veteran)
07/17/06 03:10 PM
Re: im in the well

Ever play full ring? I just switched to 6M, but it seems like there's a lot of money to be made at FR, seeing as it's becoming a lost art that nobody talks about in SSNL.

Dan Bitel
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 03:10 PM
Re: im in the well

yh,

good job so far.

1) What poster's style do you think is nearest to yours?

2) What sports do you play?

3) Whats the biggest pot you've won/lost?

4) Why don't you have an avatar?

5) Did you go to uni?

6) Do you have a gf/wife? If so, what would you rate her out of 10?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 03:15 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

do you think pretending to be a girl in online poker is +EV?




i doubt it


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 03:16 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

If you have the choice between saving your mother and a 20 year old person in the best part off there life, who would you save? (considering that your mother is ~60 years old?)




dont think i can give an unbiased answer to this as im very protective of my mom becuse my dad passed away when i was 9 years old


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 03:16 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Ever play full ring? I just switched to 6M, but it seems like there's a lot of money to be made at FR, seeing as it's becoming a lost art that nobody talks about in SSNL.




have tried it, hate it


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 03:18 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

yh,

good job so far.

1) What poster's style do you think is nearest to yours?

2) What sports do you play?

3) Whats the biggest pot you've won/lost?

4) Why don't you have an avatar?

5) Did you go to uni?

6) Do you have a gf/wife? If so, what would you rate her out of 10?




1 - dont know i think my advice goes against the board as a whole

2 - football(american)

3 - lost , 2200, won 1900

4 - doesnt rly strike me a simportant, i dont have 1 on any forum ive ever posted on

5 - no

6 - never married, currently single


mosuavea
(Mayor of Weaktightville)
07/17/06 03:23 PM
Re: im in the well

Going rather well, hopefully my sitting Wed/Thurs is as entertaining.

Good way to get to know random posters for sure.


MRBAA
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 03:32 PM
Re: im in the well

First off, you're not a coin flip -- you only put five opponents in with you, but you'll actually have 9. You're probably only about 33%. Second, you have a monster stack relative to blinds, you can probably find better spots to try and build your stack -- where you will be 3-1 or 4-1 favorite. Third, having a deep stack early is less useful, since you can't bully your way into the money (too many opponents) and don't really want to play for all your chips against another big stack.

I think going all in here is not the play.


Dan Bitel
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 03:41 PM
Re: im in the well

yh,

you get to pick next weeks mon/tues poster in the well. I think AJ says he doesn't want to do this. Who do you want to nominate and why?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 03:43 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

First off, you're not a coin flip -- you only put five opponents in with you, but you'll actually have 9. You're probably only about 33%. Second, you have a monster stack relative to blinds, you can probably find better spots to try and build your stack -- where you will be 3-1 or 4-1 favorite. Third, having a deep stack early is less useful, since you can't bully your way into the money (too many opponents) and don't really want to play for all your chips against another big stack.

I think going all in here is not the play.




probly why im a cash game player lol


Gelford
(Regular Joe)
07/17/06 03:43 PM
Re: im in the well

You have SC's and you flop a jackhigh flushdraw in a threeway pot. You are first to act, what do you do in a raised pot (standard 4xBB raise) and in a unraised pot

Bet for value on the come (this should perhaps say build pot on the come) or check ?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 03:44 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

yh,

you get to pick next weeks mon/tues poster in the well. I think AJ says he doesn't want to do this. Who do you want to nominate and why?




let me think about it


dregal
(veteran)
07/17/06 03:58 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Thanks... reason I asked is because I am about 23/12/3ish and I will raise SC's, Axs in EP, so I must be missing raising hands in later positions.




Yeah, weird cause I am like 19/11/3 and I am at least calling (maybe raising) sc's in MP where YH said he was mucking. Maybe I'm missing opportunity in late pos as well...

YH -

What are your calling/raising standards OTB with a few limpers in front?

What hands are you calling a raise with OTB with EP raiser and 1-2 callers?

Edit - obv table and player dependant. Assume typical Party table - few fish, maybe one other decent player.


epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/17/06 04:04 PM
Re: im in the well

1. How long do you believe poker will sustain its massively profitable state? In other words, how long until the fringe, "I saw it on TV and think it looks cool so I'll blow a wad of cash" begins to wane?

2. Which professional player do you most admire and why?

3. Which do you least admire and why?

4. Which 2p2 poster do you most respect?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 04:18 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

Thanks... reason I asked is because I am about 23/12/3ish and I will raise SC's, Axs in EP, so I must be missing raising hands in later positions.




Yeah, weird cause I am like 19/11/3 and I am at least calling (maybe raising) sc's in MP where YH said he was mucking. Maybe I'm missing opportunity in late pos as well...

YH -

What are your calling/raising standards OTB with a few limpers in front?

What hands are you calling a raise with OTB with EP raiser and 1-2 callers?

Edit - obv table and player dependant. Assume typical Party table - few fish, maybe one other decent player.




with few limpers my calling range is usually 56s to 9ts, ill raise jts and up, raise kjo and up, raise 22 and up

if a raise and a few callers ill call with 22 and up, 78s and up, aqo and up


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 04:21 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

1. How long do you believe poker will sustain its massively profitable state? In other words, how long until the fringe, "I saw it on TV and think it looks cool so I'll blow a wad of cash" begins to wane?

2. Which professional player do you most admire and why?

3. Which do you least admire and why?

4. Which 2p2 poster do you most respect?




1 - i dont know but hopefully as long as possible

2 - id hope to be as good as phil ivey 1 day

3 - mike the mouth, i dont know if i could sit with him for an hour and not pop him in the mouth as much as he yaps

4 - in terms of advice given, id have to go with 4_2_it


quarkncover
(SSNL Grand Nagus)
07/17/06 04:24 PM
Re: im in the well

YH-

What did you think of the "Grey Album?"

(DJ Danger Mouse's illegal remix of the Beatles White Ablum and Jay Z's Black Album.)


epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/17/06 04:26 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

1. How long do you believe poker will sustain its massively profitable state? In other words, how long until the fringe, "I saw it on TV and think it looks cool so I'll blow a wad of cash" begins to wane?

2. Which professional player do you most admire and why?

3. Which do you least admire and why?

4. Which 2p2 poster do you most respect?




Quote:

1 - i dont know but hopefully as long as possible



Riveting.

Quote:

2 - id hope to be as good as phil ivey 1 day



Good choice.

Quote:

3 - mike the mouth, i dont know if i could sit with him for an hour and not pop him in the mouth as much as he yaps



I don't know Mike personally, but I would guess this to be his intention.

Quote:

4 - in terms of advice given, id have to go with 4_2_it



The Man, obv.


epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/17/06 04:27 PM
Re: im in the well

What are the five songs you'd choose if you could only listen to five for the remainder of your existence?

Isura
(Anonymous Hopeful)
07/17/06 04:35 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Calling here is probably wrong because it actually won't give you that great a chance to win the tourney. Remember, there are like 10,000 entrants ($10mm prize pool), so aggregating 9 stakes, while it's great, isn't going to give you an advantage that makes it worth flipping a coin right away, imho.





LOLOLOL


jakeduke
(old hand)
07/17/06 04:35 PM
Re: im in the well

UTG raises to 4xBB. Folded to you OTB. What's your reraising range against a standard TAG and a standard LAG? How does the situation change if villain open raises in the CO?

RunDownHouse
(Allez Biere!)
07/17/06 04:36 PM
Re: im in the well

I just wanted to chime in and say that 4_2_it has been great answering completely standard newbie questions.

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 04:46 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

What are the five songs you'd choose if you could only listen to five for the remainder of your existence?




hmmmmm

probly would change given on my mood when answerinb, but rigth now im thinking in no order

jay z - a dream
nas - undying love
nerd - she wants to move remix
michael jackson - give into me
jay z - blueprint 2


bilbo-san
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 04:46 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

First off, you're not a coin flip -- you only put five opponents in with you, but you'll actually have 9. You're probably only about 33%. Second, you have a monster stack relative to blinds, you can probably find better spots to try and build your stack -- where you will be 3-1 or 4-1 favorite. Third, having a deep stack early is less useful, since you can't bully your way into the money (too many opponents) and don't really want to play for all your chips against another big stack.

I think going all in here is not the play.




This has been done to death, but mathematically speaking, this is wrong, imho.

1) you are 33%, but 33% to win 10X your stack. This is clearly way better EV than coinflipping to double up. It's also WAY better EV than being a 4:1 favorite to double up.

The math speaks against you. Let's assume you are so good, you always get it in as a 4:1 favorite. Assume 10000 starting stacks.

If you call here, you have 100000, with a 67% chance of busting.

If you get it in as a 4:1 favorite 3 times in a row, each time vs. a similar sized stack, you will have 80000 51% of the time, and a cumulative 48.8% chance of busting.

...And this is with the preposterous assumption that you get cards good enough to gaurantee these situations (and are so good at poker that you'll never get all in with KK vs. AA, etc).

If we said that you always got your chips in with a 3:1 edge, which by the way would make you the best tournament poker player in the world by a huge margin, you would still need to get it all in the middle 4 times in a row (each time vs. an equal stack) to equal this TEV, and you would still bust 68% of the time.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 04:46 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

YH-

What did you think of the "Grey Album?"

(DJ Danger Mouse's illegal remix of the Beatles White Ablum and Jay Z's Black Album.)




encore and what more can i say were nice, the rest was lame


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 04:50 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

UTG raises to 4xBB. Folded to you OTB. What's your reraising range against a standard TAG and a standard LAG? How does the situation change if villain open raises in the CO?




v a tag, reraise tt jj qq kk aa 95%, call the other 5%, reraise ak and aq 50%, call the other 50%, reraise 88 99 20%, call the other 80%

v a lag reraise all of the above 95%, call the other 5%, raise hands like kq, aj 75%, call the other 25%. reraise pps 44 - 77 25%, call the other 75%.

doesnt rly change in co as ive rarely come across a player who knows how to use position


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 04:53 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

I just wanted to chime in and say that 4_2_it has been great answering completely standard newbie questions.




well in terms of advice i agree with his advice more than any other poster, usually i dont agree with a lot of other posters advice, thats why i stated in terms of advice given.


jjigglers
(veteran)
07/17/06 05:02 PM
Re: im in the well

1. Honestly, who won the beef between Nas and Jay Z?

2. Ever listened to any underground rap? (Immortal Technique, Jedi Mind Tricks, Cunninlynguists, etc.)


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 05:08 PM
Re: im in the well

immortal is OK, over rated, chino xl is much better.

only heard a small sample but dont like jedi or cun at all. most rappers are underground because they have zero charisma and cant make a full cd(canibus being a perfect example), not because they dont wanna sell out.

well the winner of a beef isnt determined by who had the best diss its by public opinion, in which case nas won. but takeover was a better diss record than anything nas released, so was blueprint 2, that being said both are among the top 10 rappers of all time.


MrMoo
(old hand)
07/17/06 05:15 PM
Re: im in the well

In a 6-max game with a 50% SB, what hand ranges would you complete in the SB for 1, 2, 3, and 4 limpers?

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 05:20 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

In a 6-max game with a 50% SB, what hand ranges would you complete in the SB for 1, 2, 3, and 4 limpers?




everything id limp with on button plus suited 1 gappers as low as 79s


Dan Bitel
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 05:56 PM
Re: im in the well

Do you personally prefer nas or Jay-Z?

Do you like any music except rap?

Who are your 3 fave DJs?

Assume a table of unknowns and everey1 has 100BB starting stacks, what do you do with these hands UTG:

AJo
KJs
A3s
A9s
22
KQo

Lastly, if you don't thinkits giving too much away, would you post you positional stats from PT?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 06:07 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Do you personally prefer nas or Jay-Z?

Do you like any music except rap?

Who are your 3 fave DJs?

Assume a table of unknowns and everey1 has 100BB starting stacks, what do you do with these hands UTG:

AJo
KJs
A3s
A9s
22
KQo

Lastly, if you don't thinkits giving too much away, would you post you positional stats from PT?




jay z

not rly big on djs, but as for djs who produce premo makes the best beats imo

ajo - raise
kjs - raise
a3s - fold
a9s - fold
22 - raise
kqo - raise


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 06:16 PM
Re: im in the well

these are my nl 400 stats, i purge all my previous stakes when i move up to a new level



xwillience
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 06:45 PM
Re: im in the well

your sample size is to small.

redickulous
(enthusiast)
07/17/06 07:30 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

your sample size is to small.




QFT


Snafu'd
(old hand)
07/17/06 07:34 PM
Re: im in the well

What have you done away from the tables that has helped you the most and how much time do you devote to it? ie read/post 2+2, review sessions, hiring a coach, books, etc.

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 07:38 PM
Re: im in the well

nothing helps as much as playing imo, never hired a coach, but books help so does posting on 2+2, id say there are a tie

dregal
(veteran)
07/17/06 07:45 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

most rappers are underground because they have zero charisma and cant make a full cd(canibus being a perfect example), not because they dont wanna sell out.




I think this is true to a large extent

Quote:

but takeover was a better diss record than anything nas released, so was blueprint 2




NO WAY - ETHER WAS THE BEST BY FAR IMO


What do you think of Papoose?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 08:17 PM
Re: im in the well

weak, no better or worse than your average docter suess mc

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 08:17 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

most rappers are underground because they have zero charisma and cant make a full cd(canibus being a perfect example), not because they dont wanna sell out.




I think this is true to a large extent

Quote:

but takeover was a better diss record than anything nas released, so was blueprint 2




NO WAY - ETHER WAS THE BEST BY FAR IMO


What do you think of Papoose?




i disagree, takeover hard harder disses, and was much better lyrically


kolotoure
(Mr Congeniality)
07/17/06 08:35 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

weak, no better or worse than your average docter suess mc




and I used to like you


jakerc
(addict)
07/17/06 09:02 PM
Re: im in the well

how did you find 2p2?

dregal
(veteran)
07/17/06 09:03 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

weak, no better or worse than your average docter suess mc




and I used to like you




TY Kolo - I think Pap is one of the best young MC's out there.


dregal
(veteran)
07/17/06 09:04 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

how did you find 2p2?




Wow - I think this is a great question - suprised no one else has thought to ask this.

Maybe some other vets around here can chime in as well??


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 09:29 PM
Re: im in the well

was referred here by my friend who helped me get started in poker

xwillience
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 09:32 PM
Re: im in the well

hey YH, what was your time table for moving up limits? U started in Novemberish but what did you use as a guideline for moving up? Fim's post?

epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/17/06 09:36 PM
Re: im in the well

1. Which political party do you affiliate yourself with? Why?

2. If you could select the next U.S. president from a realistic pool of current candidates, who would it be?

3. What is the biggest problem facing the United States today?

4. Dead woman or live man?


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 09:36 PM
Re: im in the well

no, br and confidence

xwillience
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/17/06 09:37 PM
Re: im in the well

talk about a buzz killer EP...

epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/17/06 09:38 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

talk about a buzz killer EP...




They are interesting questions, and the fourth is attached so as to lessen the sting of seriousness. Actually, it is most important of all.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 09:41 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

1. Which political party do you affiliate yourself with? Why?

2. If you could select the next U.S. president from a realistic pool of current candidates, who would it be?

3. What is the biggest problem facing the United States today?

4. Dead woman or live man?




1 - id chose the democrats if i had to but its still a lesser of 2 evils imo, i dont particularly like either party

2 - honestly im not up to date enough on current politics to make an educated decision

3 - growing gaps in our foreign relations with a lot of other nations

4 - i dont understand this question


sdfsdf
(veteran)
07/17/06 09:46 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:


nas - undying love




thats a hot song


kolotoure
(Mr Congeniality)
07/17/06 10:08 PM
Re: im in the well

What is your longest session?

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 10:12 PM
Re: im in the well

i usually play a bunch of short sessions, longest ive played with no breaks is only about 3 hours

jakerc
(addict)
07/17/06 10:35 PM
Re: im in the well

how many hands per session do you usually get while 8 tabling 6max? how long are your sessions if less than 3 hours?

younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 10:39 PM
Re: im in the well

usually like an hour and a half, close to 1k hands per session usually

BalugaWhale
(Busto on tatas)
07/17/06 11:03 PM
Re: im in the well

I heard about 2+2 from Sports illustrated and Jason Strasser

Thanks Jason!


ClubsFull
(stranger)
07/17/06 11:47 PM
Re: im in the well

Been a reader for awhile. Haven't seen much talk of table selection, other than "be good at it." I'm single tabling Party 25NL 6-max. My standard table selection pattern is to scroll to the largest average pot table with an open seat.

I think the lobby (short of any familiar fishy names seated) I'd look for many large stacks and large pots. Sound about right?

Also, after seated, how long do you play before you are able to tell if it's a good/bad table, and what are the biggest clues.


younghov17
(banned)
07/17/06 11:52 PM
Re: im in the well

id at least go by buddy list, the pot size is almost useless from my experience and never up to date

usually about 4 orbits to decide if its a good table

things to look for
how many people call raises oop, especially limp calling. what hands are being shown down, are people calling a lot, are people raising too much or too little.


kolotoure
(Mr Congeniality)
07/18/06 12:02 AM
Re: im in the well

Who will win the AL West this year?

younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 12:07 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Who will win the AL West this year?




dunno i dont follow baseball


jakerc
(addict)
07/18/06 12:10 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

id at least go by buddy list, the pot size is almost useless from my experience and never up to date

usually about 4 orbits to decide if its a good table

things to look for
how many people call raises oop, especially limp calling. what hands are being shown down, are people calling a lot, are people raising too much or too little.




following that, how important do you think table selection actually is at SSNL? (NL$200 and under).


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 12:13 AM
Re: im in the well

not that important in terms of winning , but u will win more with better table selection. but u should win regardless because there arent rly any hard games at nl 200.

at nl 200 most of my money came from donkeys who are 60/5 etc. players who just call down.

at nl 400 tho most of my money comes from tag players, they are RLY bad.


kolotoure
(Mr Congeniality)
07/18/06 12:16 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:



at nl 400 tho most of my money comes from tag players, they are RLY bad.




Care to elaborate?


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 12:23 AM
Re: im in the well

they call tons of raises with no regard to position just like donkeys, the key is where donkeys check fold flop when they miss the tags try to outplay you every hand, push u off whatever it is u have with no regard to the board or how you have been playing, they dont seem to have any understanding of when or why they are 3 betting, they will reraise you and when u repop it they are almost always going all in with whatever it is they have(it was j5o as i was winding down my session 15 minutes ago for example), they try to make far too many plays, and when u call their bluff they just blindly keep pushing their bluff/crap hand. they play terrible post flop after callign a raise, pretty much when they have better than a high they are check raising the flop 100% of the time and if u call check fold turn. 10% of the time they actually have a hand and might check raise the turn again. if they call ur flop bet and u check behind on turn they pot it into you with virtually anything ALL the time, if they have middle pair u check behind on turn with top two for example, board pairs giving you a boat, they pot it into you u go all in they are calling here very often as they think they are pros and u are obviously bluffing because they dont get outplayed. i could go on but i think u get the point.

btw if any of you start playing nl 400 at party, add crillo555 to your buddylist, that guy is an atm machine


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 12:28 AM
Re: im in the well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMBHmCuKv...0massive%20back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMBHmCuKv...0massive%20back

absolutly hilarious


A43Braun
(journeyman)
07/18/06 12:33 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

nothing helps as much as playing imo, never hired a coach, but books help so does posting on 2+2, id say there are a tie




What books have you read, Hov, that help the most with NL ring play (6-max in particular)?


redickulous
(enthusiast)
07/18/06 12:34 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

nothing helps as much as playing imo, never hired a coach, but books help so does posting on 2+2, id say there are a tie


So if I had Jam review my sessions i couldn't kill nl200? Or should i be reading and playing NL100?

younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 12:36 AM
Re: im in the well

the best nl book is nltap, bought supersystem 2 found it utterly worthless, hoh 1 is good for the basics, but volume 2 doesnt rly have any info that will help in cash games. also top should be read by everyone who wants to become good

i own and have read the following books

holdem for advanced players
small stakes holdem
theory of poker
hoh 1 and 2
nl theory and practice
super system 2


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 12:37 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

nothing helps as much as playing imo, never hired a coach, but books help so does posting on 2+2, id say there are a tie


So if I had Jam review my sessions i couldn't kill nl200? Or should i be reading and playing NL100?




um him reviewing them would help, but nothing beats out actual experience


ClubsFull
(stranger)
07/18/06 01:37 AM
Re: im in the well

I like the buddy list idea. I'm slowly gathering enough data on people to make a list worthwhile.

I've got another one. In 6-max games, when it gets to three or four handed while people are shifting around, I've shifted my starting hands on Ed Miller's idea (I think it was his) of assuming the first x seats folded, and just playing standard with that assumption. Is that about right, or does that start breaking down with fewer people?


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 01:41 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

I like the buddy list idea. I'm slowly gathering enough data on people to make a list worthwhile.

I've got another one. In 6-max games, when it gets to three or four handed while people are shifting around, I've shifted my starting hands on Ed Miller's idea (I think it was his) of assuming the first x seats folded, and just playing standard with that assumption. Is that about right, or does that start breaking down with fewer people?




im not familiar with the concept your mentioning


ClubsFull
(stranger)
07/18/06 01:52 AM
Re: im in the well

(paraphrasing) When moving from full ring to six max, you should loosen up, but only in the sense that you should think of a 6 max table as a full ring game where the first four seats folded, so essentially UTG in 6 max has the same opening standards as MP in full ring, etc.

So my question is do you loosen up UTG when it's four handed as if it were really a 6-handed table and the UTG and UTG+1 folded? Looser than that? Tighter than that?


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 02:03 AM
Re: im in the well

in a 4 handed game id play looser in positon, but playing looser utg is a bad idea

your opponents will be calling far more raises, especially the button, so you wont have position for the rest of the hand, and your cbets will take down the pot less often because people float religiously as the table gets more shorthanded, so raising crap utg is a bad diea i think.


yvesaint
(banned)
07/18/06 02:04 AM
Re: im in the well

younghov,

when can i be in the well

regards,
yvesaint


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 02:06 AM
Re: im in the well

i dunno i havent picked yet, ill certainly consider you

BalugaWhale
(Busto on tatas)
07/18/06 02:17 AM
Re: im in the well

Yeaaa Yvesaint, lets get you in the well

what up bro


yvesaint
(banned)
07/18/06 02:21 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Yeaaa Yvesaint, lets get you in the well

what up bro




come up and rage some weekend the summer is sweet


xwillience
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/18/06 02:22 AM
Re: im in the well

YH, do you live with your parents? whats an average day like in the world of YH.

redickulous
(enthusiast)
07/18/06 02:26 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Yeaaa Yvesaint, lets get you in the well





I AGREE


flubsy
(enthusiast)
07/18/06 02:32 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

First off, you're not a coin flip -- you only put five opponents in with you, but you'll actually have 9. You're probably only about 33%. Second, you have a monster stack relative to blinds, you can probably find better spots to try and build your stack -- where you will be 3-1 or 4-1 favorite. Third, having a deep stack early is less useful, since you can't bully your way into the money (too many opponents) and don't really want to play for all your chips against another big stack.

I think going all in here is not the play.




This has been done to death, but mathematically speaking, this is wrong, imho.

1) you are 33%, but 33% to win 10X your stack. This is clearly way better EV than coinflipping to double up. It's also WAY better EV than being a 4:1 favorite to double up.

The math speaks against you. Let's assume you are so good, you always get it in as a 4:1 favorite. Assume 10000 starting stacks.

If you call here, you have 100000, with a 67% chance of busting.

If you get it in as a 4:1 favorite 3 times in a row, each time vs. a similar sized stack, you will have 80000 51% of the time, and a cumulative 48.8% chance of busting.

...And this is with the preposterous assumption that you get cards good enough to gaurantee these situations (and are so good at poker that you'll never get all in with KK vs. AA, etc).

If we said that you always got your chips in with a 3:1 edge, which by the way would make you the best tournament poker player in the world by a huge margin, you would still need to get it all in the middle 4 times in a row (each time vs. an equal stack) to equal this TEV, and you would still bust 68% of the time.




oh man, Ive heard this argument soooo many times ... its like poker's version of discussing religion and politics...That said, LET ME OPINE. The 28,394,398x I have heard this debate have brought me to TWO concluions about this subject:

1. The strict math of the situation is of diminished importance given the weight of gambler's ruin in tournament play. Afterall, you can steal, steal, steal, without even having to grasp desperately to your +ev pf hand match-ups. Anytime you are risking your entire stack with 60%> to win the hand is seriously gambooooling your tournament life~ imho.

That said, the monumental improvement to your stack will GREATLY increase any GOOD tournament players TOURNAMENT value exponentially. We are talking- like what? 9 blocks increase in the first round? That gives a talented player a HUGE edge over the field. They have roughly 96K excess chips to use toward gambles and plays- while everyone else has 3k TOPS. This means they gamblers' ruin becomes a NON-ISSUE for a a good sized window...THAT'S POWER in a tournament. A good player is going to make the money if they win this first hand unless some crazy voo-doo [censored] occurs.

An aside to those discussing this: Im curious, if you feel it is correct to fold/call here- do you act the same in a $100 buy in tournament?

I would call- btw; especially at the WSOP ME- where I potentially stand to win a life changing amount of $ and am up against a tougher playing field- I'm movin on up any chance I get- FOR SURE.

#2 Im convinced that, in MOST cases- a player who instafolds here may be too weak/tight to ever do very well in tournaments. Eventually you are forced to "coinflip" (though that is not really correct) your tournament life. If your not willing to do it when you are getting 8 to 1 for your $...when are you willing to do so?

...I know, I know...SSNL is not the appropriate forum.


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 03:41 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

YH, do you live with your parents? whats an average day like in the world of YH.




nah have an apt in LA

wake up around noon, eat, relax a few hours and play some poker, shower, see whats going on with my friends, go to gym, go out or chill at home, playing poker when i chill at home.


BalugaWhale
(Busto on tatas)
07/18/06 03:44 AM
Re: im in the well

yvesaint, i would come up but I am on the west coast

if you see any of my 09 homies play a game with them


Keyser.
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/18/06 03:51 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Yeaaa Yvesaint, lets get you in the well

what up bro




IMO, it'd be pretty sweet if we could get some HSNL players to come and sit in the SSNL well for a day. Let's try and make that happen.

btw, good thread, Younghov.


ajmargarine
(old school)
07/18/06 04:50 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov,

when can i be in the well

regards,
yvesaint




As suggested earlier, I think the mods are going to oversee the selection of the wellboys to make sure we get a good mix in there. Mos is in the well Wed and Thur.

Yves, you can go next Monday and Tuesday if you like. We would definitely appreciate it.

--aj


jakerc
(addict)
07/18/06 06:00 AM
Re: im in the well

assuming you have the money to cover it, whats the highest level of SSNL one should start at?

dardo
(veteran)
07/18/06 06:05 AM
Re: im in the well

Hello YoungHov,

Thanks for giving this answers, they are very interesting.

I've read your pov about SCs and find it very correct.

So, at button and CO do you think SC's are worth a call without limpers? (If not how many limpers do you prefer?) What about Unsuited Connectors, SC 1-gappers and low AXs?

Playing 8-tables I guess your reads should be very bad. How can you still beat the game?

thanks,

dardo


tufat23
(2p2 Legend)
07/18/06 08:22 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:


Playing 8-tables I guess your reads should be very bad.





how much do you rely on PAHUD
what does your setup look like and
can you comfortably play 4 tables without PT/PAHUD support?


kolotoure
(Mr Congeniality)
07/18/06 09:19 AM
Re: im in the well

Why has AZ never had mainstream success

4_2_it
(Donktastic)
07/18/06 09:22 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov,

when can i be in the well

regards,
yvesaint




This should be fun.


vulturesrow
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/18/06 09:40 AM
Re: im in the well

Is there a list of "well volunteers"? If so, please add me.

epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/18/06 09:51 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Is there a list of "well volunteers"? If so, please add me.




I'd assume that all of us A-type personalities are interested, but we are at the mercy of the mods and well dwellers.


munkey
(A model citizen)
07/18/06 10:12 AM
Re: im in the well

Many thanks for the info younghov

Dardo:
Quote:


So, at button and CO do you think SC's are worth a call without limpers? (If not how many limpers do you prefer?) What about Unsuited Connectors, SC 1-gappers and low AXs?





I'm interested too about your ideas about play on the BTN/CO with/without limpers.
Also what's goot to complete in the SB with 1/2limpers?


CappyAA
(Always Be Closing)
07/18/06 10:16 AM
Re: im in the well

I'd also like the chance to be in the well at some point - although with work and all, I'd definitely be more able to do a Sat/Sun type thing instead of a weekday thing.

4_2_it
(Donktastic)
07/18/06 10:23 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Is there a list of "well volunteers"? If so, please add me.




Hmmmm, I may need to invest some time in coming up with a 'standard' list of questions.


CappyAA
(Always Be Closing)
07/18/06 10:35 AM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Hmmmm, I may need to invest some time in coming up with a 'standard' list of questions.




Frank - I believe you'll have the answers to most of your questions...or you can extrapolate more from the info. in here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1930435045/103-7863907-3823852?v=glance&n=283155



jii
(old hand)
07/18/06 10:37 AM
Re: im in the well

Nice1 cappy!

vulturesrow
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/18/06 10:39 AM
Re: im in the well

4_2_it = pwned. NH Cappy.

Check_The_Nuts
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/18/06 01:18 PM
Re: im in the well

younghov - how do you defend your blinds? What do you call with OOP to button raises? How often do you repop, with what, and against who? Do you ever repop loosely?

How do you handle people who are repopping your preflop raises 2/3 to 1/2 of the time? (This question is assuming your not in the blinds)...


Stealthy
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
07/18/06 01:56 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

they call tons of raises with no regard to position just like donkeys, the key is where donkeys check fold flop when they miss the tags try to outplay you every hand, push u off whatever it is u have with no regard to the board or how you have been playing, they dont seem to have any understanding of when or why they are 3 betting, they will reraise you and when u repop it they are almost always going all in with whatever it is they have(it was j5o as i was winding down my session 15 minutes ago for example), they try to make far too many plays, and when u call their bluff they just blindly keep pushing their bluff/crap hand. they play terrible post flop after callign a raise, pretty much when they have better than a high they are check raising the flop 100% of the time and if u call check fold turn. 10% of the time they actually have a hand and might check raise the turn again. if they call ur flop bet and u check behind on turn they pot it into you with virtually anything ALL the time, if they have middle pair u check behind on turn with top two for example, board pairs giving you a boat, they pot it into you u go all in they are calling here very often as they think they are pros and u are obviously bluffing because they dont get outplayed. i could go on but i think u get the point.

btw if any of you start playing nl 400 at party, add crillo555 to your buddylist, that guy is an atm machine




Does their tendancy to check-fold the turn if you call the check-raise lead you to play back light or do you still need a reasonable hand to take then on in a bloated pot?


BalugaWhale
(Busto on tatas)
07/18/06 01:59 PM
Re: im in the well

I wouldn't mind being in the well after yvesaint, cappyAA, and whoever else decides to jump in first

epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/18/06 02:19 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

I wouldn't mind being in the well after yvesaint, cappyAA, and whoever else decides to jump in first




Well, you see, we are looking for interesting well dwellers.


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 03:11 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Hello YoungHov,

Thanks for giving this answers, they are very interesting.

I've read your pov about SCs and find it very correct.

So, at button and CO do you think SC's are worth a call without limpers? (If not how many limpers do you prefer?) What about Unsuited Connectors, SC 1-gappers and low AXs?

Playing 8-tables I guess your reads should be very bad. How can you still beat the game?

thanks,

dardo




with no limpers im usually either going to raise or fold scs, tho if the blinds are very bad players ill tend to limp them

low axs is a raise/fold

unsuited connectors is a raise/fold

sc 1 gappers is a raise/fold/call if blinds are terrible players

reads arent bad, i mean they arent perfect but they are usually pretty good


BalugaWhale
(Busto on tatas)
07/18/06 03:11 PM
Re: im in the well

and AJ's name got brought up? he'd probably talk about bingo night at the retirement center

younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 03:12 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

assuming you have the money to cover it, whats the highest level of SSNL one should start at?




i started at nl 50, i think if u have the br for it nl 50 is a good place to statr assuming u have basic poker knowledge


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 03:14 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:


Playing 8-tables I guess your reads should be very bad.





how much do you rely on PAHUD
what does your setup look like and
can you comfortably play 4 tables without PT/PAHUD support?




i definitly use it, it helps the most when u have no deads on someone so at least u have a general idea of their style

setup is the basic default pahud setup, nothing is modified

did it when i first started poker, but havent tried recently


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 03:15 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Why has AZ never had mainstream success




the same reason bleek will never have mainstream success(altho he is a bit better than bleek)


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 03:15 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Many thanks for the info younghov

Dardo:
Quote:


So, at button and CO do you think SC's are worth a call without limpers? (If not how many limpers do you prefer?) What about Unsuited Connectors, SC 1-gappers and low AXs?





I'm interested too about your ideas about play on the BTN/CO with/without limpers.
Also what's goot to complete in the SB with 1/2limpers?




my sb range is a little bit wider than my button range, so i dont limp too much, i still have some standards


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 03:20 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

younghov - how do you defend your blinds? What do you call with OOP to button raises? How often do you repop, with what, and against who? Do you ever repop loosely?

How do you handle people who are repopping your preflop raises 2/3 to 1/2 of the time? (This question is assuming your not in the blinds)...




i dont defend my blinds much, if im going to play a hand out of a blind v a raise im usually 3 betting. no reason to defend your blinds with crap because your oop.

fwiw i fold to a steal 88% from sb, and 84% from bb
v lags i either 4 bet or check raise a lot of flops if im oop, float them if im in position


younghov17
(banned)
07/18/06 03:23 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

they call tons of raises with no regard to position just like donkeys, the key is where donkeys check fold flop when they miss the tags try to outplay you every hand, push u off whatever it is u have with no regard to the board or how you have been playing, they dont seem to have any understanding of when or why they are 3 betting, they will reraise you and when u repop it they are almost always going all in with whatever it is they have(it was j5o as i was winding down my session 15 minutes ago for example), they try to make far too many plays, and when u call their bluff they just blindly keep pushing their bluff/crap hand. they play terrible post flop after callign a raise, pretty much when they have better than a high they are check raising the flop 100% of the time and if u call check fold turn. 10% of the time they actually have a hand and might check raise the turn again. if they call ur flop bet and u check behind on turn they pot it into you with virtually anything ALL the time, if they have middle pair u check behind on turn with top two for example, board pairs giving you a boat, they pot it into you u go all in they are calling here very often as they think they are pros and u are obviously bluffing because they dont get outplayed. i could go on but i think u get the point.

btw if any of you start playing nl 400 at party, add crillo555 to your buddylist, that guy is an atm machine




Does their tendancy to check-fold the turn if you call the check-raise lead you to play back light or do you still need a reasonable hand to take then on in a bloated pot?




i play back light against he frequent checkraisers who seem to do it every hand, but i sitll check behind turn sometimes to keep them guessing. they will call turn sometimes to, and some of the worse ones will even call a big river bet with their crap, have to identify which ones are the rly terrible ones and tone down your bluffs


epdaws
(Pork Barrel Buster)
07/18/06 03:24 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

and AJ's name got brought up? he'd probably talk about bingo night at the retirement center




Heh.


ajmargarine
(old school)
07/18/06 03:28 PM
Re: im in the well

Quote:

Quote:

and AJ's name got brought up? he'd probably talk about bingo night at the retirement center




Meh.






directscooter
(enthusiast)
07/18/06 03:30 PM
Re: im in the well

Young,
I just wanted to thank you for this, it has been extremely educational for me. I have found myself trying to get to tricky, trappy since I moved up to NL200 and also without cause giving my opponents too much credit for level 3+ thinking and it has hurt me, making some awfully embarrassing calls. Your posts about the bad TAGs hit close to home and really made me think. I just need to get back to my normal game and stop thinking everyone is trying to bluff/steal on me.
Keep it up!!!! the well!!!!



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