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11/26/07 11:09 AM
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Sean Taylor Fatally Shot at Home - Deceased
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Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor was shot in the groin at his Florida home early Monday morning, police said.
The Miami-Dade Police Department is currently investigating the incident. Taylor is currently undergoing treatment at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Florida, the Redskins said in a statement.
According to a report in the Miami Herald, police took a call early Monday that a homeowner had been shot in the leg.
Paramedics responded and found the victim with a gunshot wound to the groin. According to county property records obtained by the Herald, the residence, at 18050 Old Cutler Road, is listed to Taylor.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3127928
CNN says he's currently in critical condition.
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WTF with all these sports guys getting robbed lately.
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wtf
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why'd the dude shoot him in the groin? something personal? that's gotta hurt
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Suigin406
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11/26/07 11:31 AM
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ouch, sounds painful to say the least...
wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't a random thing, he's been a good amount of trouble and prolly has made some enemies...
either way, hopefully he gets through this OK...
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BillNye
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11/26/07 11:40 AM
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wow this sucks so hard. "critically injured" according to yahoo.com
gl
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wtf the redskins run so bad
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BillNye
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11/26/07 11:57 AM
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wtf the Broncos run so bad
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zer0
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11/26/07 12:00 PM
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radio said he was fighting for his life. vince wilfork was doing a radio interview here in boston when the news broke and broke down on air. sad news, such a f'd up world.
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Oh man, this totally sucks.
Not that Sean Taylor is a total gentleman or anything like that. But seriously, shot in the groin? wtf?
Hope he recovers.
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d10
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11/26/07 12:49 PM
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wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't a random thing
I'd be much more surprised if it was. This really sucks, he was having such a great year, on the field at least.
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I'm curious what other information will come out about this.
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Saw this on Sportscenter this morning. Critical condition. He must have bled a ton to be near death from a shot to the groin.
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I recently read on a Redskins forum that he is now in a coma, but this is just a rumor and I have no source, except that apparently LS Ethan Albright said it.
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11/26/07 01:18 PM
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Saw this on Sportscenter this morning. Critical condition. He must have bled a ton to be near death from a shot to the groin.
I think it said his femoral artery was hit, so that would explain it.
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Fox Sports and Redskins Radio report that an unnamed source has said:
"He's in critical condition and has somewhat stabilized after surgery, but things could go either way at this point," the source said. "He's lost an incredible amount of blood. At this point, we're just waiting to see how he responds to the surgery."
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11/26/07 01:49 PM
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If his femoral artery was severed it's amazing he even made it to the hospital.
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It's sad, but we need an "***Official NFL, Guns, Drugs, Crime****" thread.
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EWS87
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11/26/07 03:05 PM
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i just heard on wfan that he is now in a coma...he hasnt been the best of people but it sounds like hes been turning his life around since his daughter was born and is an amazing football...this could be a real shame
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Barretboy
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11/26/07 03:09 PM
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i just heard on wfan that he is now in a coma...he hasnt been the best of people but it sounds like hes been turning his life around since his daughter was born and is an amazing football...this could be a real shame
I think it's a pretty common misconception that he had to 'turn his life around'. He got in trouble once for flashing a gun at a guy whom he thought stole his ATVs. He grew up in a relatively middle-class area, his father was a police chief. He didn't come from the inter-city, he didn't roll with gangs, he was just immature when he came into the NFL, like so many other young athletes who fall into money.
He's always been great to the fans and the fans love him back. He doesn't really talk to the media because he doesn't trust them and feels that they gave him a bad rap with this whole felony situation. I'll be praying for him and hope he gets through this.
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11/26/07 03:12 PM
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also he spits on people!
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KJS
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11/26/07 03:13 PM
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Where online can I send him my best wishes? 
KJS
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Where online can I send him my best wishes?
KJS
I didn't want to tell anyone this, but I donate a lot of money to places that research femoral artery ruptures. So can the holier than thou stuff.
seriously, I hope he recovers - I'd thought of him as a thug as well but maybe barretboy is right.
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BillNye
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11/26/07 03:43 PM
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Hopefully he can have a Kevin Everett like recovery this sucks.
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The latest is that he's in a coma and fighting for his life.
I was at the game yesterday (will post pics later) and on the field and was standing just a few feet from all these guys. Crazy to think that one of their teammates would be critically shot several hours later. I landed in Baltimore about 3 hours ago and had a very sad text message waiting for me. What the hell.
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It's sad, but we need an "***Official NFL, Guns, Drugs, Crime****" thread.
QFT.
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praying he makes it through
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The latest reports sound pretty bad and make it sound like even if he survives he'll have a significant amount of brain damage.
Thoughts and prayers to Taylor and his family.
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Jurollo
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11/26/07 04:58 PM
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Yea I have read similar sad accounts here, his loss of blood was significant enough through the femoral artery that his brain was deprived of oxygen for however long it took for him to get airlifted. I hope he pulls through and is ok, football shouldn't even be a consideration lets just hope he makes it through and can live a normal life.
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I'm shocked that NONE of the major sports networks are following this more than every 15 minutes.
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They [censored] cover an almost unimportant indictment of Bonds 24/7, but Taylor is in a coma, and they mention it once a half hour.
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Jurollo
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11/26/07 05:01 PM
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also he spits on people!
This pissed me off quite a bit. This kid is legit dying.
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disgusting
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I'm shocked that NONE of the major sports networks are following this more than every 15 minutes.
Completely agree. I saw the news before I left for class this morning and was stunned when I got back and ESPN was barely talking about it.
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Jurollo
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11/26/07 05:06 PM
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from the Miami Herald
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A week before Washington Redskins player Sean Taylor was shot in his Palmetto Bay house, a burglar broke in, rifled through his things, and left a knife on a bed inside hishouse, according to police records.
Eight days later, noises in the dark spooked Taylor and his girlfriend. It turned out to be their worst nightmare.
At least one armed intruder had broken into the $900,000 Palmetto Bay house of the star NFL player and were at his bedroom door. Taylor rose from bed, grabbed a machete, and went to investigate, according to a police source. Just outside his bedroom, he was shot in the groin and critically wounded. He collapsed back into the room, where he breathed heavily as blood gushed from his injury, according to Taylor's lawyer and family friend, Richard Sharpstein.
Taylor, a former University of Miami star and Gulliver Preparatory School graduate with a controversial past, was airlifted to the Ryder Trauma Center at Jackson Memorial Hospital. About 20 family members and friends gathered at Ryder Trauma on Monday morning. They cried, made phone calls, talked among themselves and declined to speak with reporters.
Sharpstein said Taylor, 24, emerged from surgery about 12:30 p.m. but had lost a lot of blood and remained unconscious, his brain at risk of injury from the blood loss. He is in intensive care and doctors have allowed his family to see him.
According to police, Miami-Dade patrol officers received a call about 1:45 a.m. Monday that Taylor had been shot in the leg. The caller told police they heard intruders at the rear door of the house, trying to pry it open.
Taylor went to investigate; his girlfriend then heard a shot. Paramedics responded and found Taylor with a gunshot wound to the groin. Detective Juan Villalba, a Miami-Dade police spokesman, said police were interviewing relatives who were potential witnesses.
Sharpstein, who represented Taylor in a previous criminal case, said Taylor and his girlfriend were in their bedroom and heard noises in the house. The couple's baby was also in the house. As Taylor walked to the bedroom door to check out the noise, he picked up a machete, and then opened the bedroom door. Someone fired two shots at him, hitting him once in the groin. The other shot missed him. Taylor's girlfriend immediately went to help and found him breathing heavily. The shooter fled immediately after firing.
''Nothing was stolen. They shot at him and fled,'' said Sharpstein, who was visiting family at the hospital. ``He is clearly the victim of assault in his own home.''
According to police records, someone also broke into Taylor's house between 7 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 17 and midnight Sunday Nov. 18, by prying open a front window. No one was home at the time. The burglar entered several rooms in the house, rifled through drawers, and a safe in Taylor's bedroom. The police report says it was ''unknown'' whether anything was taken.
In that incident, someone left a kitchen knife on a bed in Taylor's house, according to the police report. Damage was also ``observed to the A/C vent in Taylor's bathroom.''
Retirees Pat and Jim Smith live in the house next to Taylor's. They said they heard voices outside about 2:30 a.m. and went outside to check it out. Jim Smith talked to a woman with a baby in her arms who he believes is Taylor's nanny. She said someone tried to break into Taylor's house last weekend and again earlier this weekend.
''I am going to make sure my gun is loaded,'' Jim Smith said. ``We never did have any problems here.''
The shooting happened at Taylor's home on Old Cutler Road in Palmetto Bay in South Miami-Dade, a four-bedroom, four-bath house he bought in 2005, according to the county's property appraiser's website. The one-story, pale yellow house is protected by a white wall with black gates, and a buzzer controls access. A car beneath a car cover and a boat could be seen on the grounds Monday.
Lt. Nancy Perez, a spokeswoman with the Miami-Dade Police Department, said police have been unable to talk to Taylor. They have no further information.
Taylor's family has asked that no information about his condition be released at this point, said Lorraine Nelson, a hospital spokeswoman.
Taylor is in his fourth season with the Redskins. He suffered a sprained right knee on Nov. 11 against the Philadelphia Eagles, an injury that had sidelined him indefinitely. The Redskins played the Buccaneers in Tampa Sunday.
In 2004 he was the fifth pick overall by the Redskins as one of their starting safeties after a stellar career at the University of Miami. He signed a seven-year, $18 million contract. His junior year at UM he led the Big East conference and was second in the nation in interceptions with nine.
He was an All-American, Thorpe Award finalist and Big East Defensive Player of the Year during his UM career.
Taylor is no stranger to controversy.
He was arrested in June 2005 for waving a gun at a group of people he believed had stolen his all terrain vehicle. Felony charges were dropped, but he eventually pleaded no contest to misdemeanor assault and battery. Sharpstein said Taylor was actually the victim and that charges should never have been filed against him.
After the plea, Ryan Lee Hill, one of the men in front of whom Taylor allegedly waved a gun, sued Taylor, claiming Taylor hit him repeatedly in a fight and brandished a gun at him. Because of injuries he supposedly received during the fight, including bruises to his body, Hill lost wages and incurred medical expenses.
In the lawsuit, which according to court files is still active, Hill claims Taylor and some friends went looking for people who allegedly stole his all terrain vehicles. According to the suit, Taylor pummeled Hill with his fists and called him a thief. Taylor then left and returned with more friends and pointed an assault rifle at Hill.
''Total garbage and untrue,'' Sharpstein said of Hill's account in an interview Monday.
Taylor's father, Pedro Taylor, the police chief of Florida City, could not be reached for comment. But a woman who answered the phone in his office said he was at the hospital awaiting the result of his son's surgery.
''There were a number of people who were jealous of Sean's success,'' Sharpstein said.
Before he was drafted, he was rebuked by the NFL for leaving the league's mandatory rookie symposium early, and drew a $25,000 fine.
Taylor, 24, has made a living jarring receivers in the secondary for the Redskins and his jersey remains as popular as ever with Hurricanes fans. But lately, he had gotten into a bit of trouble for waving a gun at people he thought had stolen his car in 2005. I know folks automatically assume that means Taylor was a gangster or some guy that was hanging with the wrong crowd.
Taylor's cousin, Florida State safety Anthony Leon, said Taylor was trying to shed some trouble-making friends he grew up with in Florida City. Leon, who said he spent his morning crying and praying from his dorm room in Tallahassee, said Taylor had ``started to calm down.''
''He's been trying to stay away from bad company -- especially for his daughter's sake,'' Leon said. ``Sean wasn't a bad guy at all. He's got his personality on the football field and off it. All he was trying to do was protect his family. And they shot him.''
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Overall, I'm really puzzled by the lack of media coverage. I consider myself more than an average joe sports fan, but not a superfan, and I care more about Sean Taylor than anything else they could be talking about.
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Overall, I'm really puzzled by the lack of media coverage. I consider myself more than an average joe sports fan, but not a superfan, and I care more about Sean Taylor than anything else they could be talking about.
It's really surprising to me as well because it's not like Taylor is some player that most football fans haven't heard of. I'd venture to say most fans of the NFL know Taylor's name and he's probably one of the more known defensive players. Typical ESPN to blow up things like steroids and then barely mention the fact that a Pro Bowl safety is fighting for his life.
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He's now "clinging to life":
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/
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Here is a story about how the wealthy are being increasingly targeted for home invasion, all the way from wealthy investors like Warren Buffet's sister and super hedge fund manager Eddie Lampert, to NBA stars like Antoine Walker and Eddy Curry.
Some security experts think that because traditional private commercial areas are so well protected now, robbers are turning to the relatively lax security of the private homes of the super wealthy. Most of the robbers look for quick heists of jewelery and cash (especially from NBA players) or to quickly intimidate the rich in question to giving up their ATM or bank account numbers. Many of these crimes are pretty amateurish and not well thought out in advance, and perhaps Sean Taylor's tragedy is just a symptom of this new style of robbery.
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This is horrible, and there is no excuse for making jokes about it. Its true he has had his problems, but as Barrett said he came from a very good family, and yea he has made some stupid decisions and hung with the wrong crowd but most accounts have him being a very good guy who was just immature.
I'm going to miss watching him play against my team (I'm assuming even best case there is little chance of him playing again), he was a joy to watch and an amazing athlete. But none of that is really even important anymore, I just hope he survives, and am strongly pulling for him to be ok.
Also shocked about the lack of coverage, I turned on ESPN about 5 times today looking to see coverage on this and got nothing, while the ESPN News "breaking news" was Houston Nutt not coming back.
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11/26/07 05:15 PM
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i have a really gross feeling in my stomach that one of these times i refresh espn and see redskins safety sean taylor pronounced...
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also he spits on people!
Someone made this douche a mod?
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The dude keeps a machete by his bedside? Damn...
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i have a really gross feeling in my stomach that one of these times i refresh espn and see redskins safety sean taylor pronounced...
I've been having the same feeling for the past couple hours.
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i have a really gross feeling in my stomach that one of these times i refresh espn and see redskins safety sean taylor pronounced...
I've had the exact same feeling. Human nature is weird.
-McGee
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It's sad, but we need an "***Official NFL, Guns, Drugs, Crime****" thread.
It sounds rather unfair to lump this in with Vick or Pacman Jones, don't you think? I mean, others have mentioned Taylor's occasional immaturity, but this just sounds like he picked an ill-advised time to confront a robber.
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Someone made this douche a mod?
Yea really. Was he convicted of a felony, thus making it illegal for him to own a firearm for home protection? I found it very odd he had a machete. Also, that thing about how a week before the shooting some guy broke in and left a knife on his bed was crazy, I'd definitely pick up a firearm after that trash.
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Jurollo
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11/26/07 05:24 PM
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Someone made this douche a mod?
At least I am not the only one infuriated by his comment. It's amazing how the internet makes people think they can say whatever they want.
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Nvm, just read on ESPN the felony charges were dropped. If I were him I'd have been sleeping with a higher caliber pistol or a Benelli shotgun by my side
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Vyse
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11/26/07 05:26 PM
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wow this is horrible news, i hope he pulls through =/
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also he spits on people!
Someone made this douche a mod?
At least I am not the only one infuriated by his comment. It's amazing how the internet makes people think they can say whatever they want.
Dids and tuq are like the opposite sides of the same coin. One is highbrow and the other lowbrow about their idiotic posts. But mods, of course.
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11/26/07 05:31 PM
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The dude keeps a machete by his bedside? Damn...
It was reported someone broke into his home the week before and left a knife. I've had similar scares and have kept a bat and a sword in my room after those incidents, I don't see anything unusual about that
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The dude keeps a machete by his bedside? Damn...
It was reported someone broke into his home the week before and left a knife. I've had similar scares and have kept a bat and a sword in my room after those incidents, I don't see anything unusual about that
To me it's unusual that he didn't have something more. I mean damn, that's someone breaking into your house, and leaving something that could be construed as a threat on your life. Totally justified having any number of firearms next to his bedside.
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Muresan,
Is that really the way a top NFL athlete should handle things?
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I remember a story a couple of my buddies told me awhile back. My one friend is broke, but the other created a number of websites in college that did very well, and had received a sizable inheritance from his father upon his death. So the two of them are out at a pretty upscale bar in DC at around evening time, when the wealthy friend notices a black dude sitting at the bar a couple seats down. Apparently the friend noticed what type of liquor the guy was drinking (an expensive type around a couple C notes per shot), and was a big fan of it. So he got the 3 a round of drinks and struck up conversation.
From the way it was told, they were pretty much shooting the [censored] about a lot of things, certain drinks, cars,etc. The black dude says thanks a lot for the drink, calls the bartender over and buys 3 shots of Louis XIII, which they take, and he says "hey lemme show you something outside". So they follow him and he presents a brand new Lamborghini. Shows em inside and all that stuff, but then says he has to go. It turns out (as if you weren't expecting it), it was Sean Taylor, and this was before his rookie season I think. From the way my friend told it, he was extremely down to Earth,and generally a very nice guy, despite a lot of the stuff you hear about him being a criminal,etc.
I just thought I'd share that story. Let's hope for the best for the young man.
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11/26/07 05:44 PM
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Muresan,
Is that really the way a top NFL athlete should handle things?
are you joking?
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Well the guy is still on probation. Maybe he's not allowed to have a gun?. Or maybe he is being responsible by not having a loaded gun next to his bed with a 2 year old running around his house?
I hope he pulls through.
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Dids
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Someone made this douche a mod?
At least I am not the only one infuriated by his comment. It's amazing how the internet makes people think they can say whatever they want.
My post looks different outside of the context of the post to which it responded. Somebody was pointing out Taylor's history with the law and didn't mention that there's some on the field stuff that speaks to the chance that Taylor is a less than swell dude.
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Muresan,
Is that really the way a top NFL athlete should handle things?
If it's for home protection, absolutely. I will NOT allow this to degenerate into a politics thread. But he's a man before a top athlete, and he has every right to protect his home, himself, and his girlfriend from what turned out to be an immediate threat on his life.
edit:and his 2 year old child
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11/26/07 05:47 PM
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Mur,
I'm not sure a dude drinking by himself in a bar then taking a shot and driving off is the best story to tell trying to paint someone in a good light.
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Mur,
I'm not sure a dude drinking by himself in a bar then taking a shot and driving off is the best story to tell trying to paint someone in a good light.
Please don't try and turn it around like that. I was just relating a story told to me by one of my friends about how he was a down to Earth guy, and very nice. This is certainly not the thread to be doing it.
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pretty [censored] up... hope he ends up alright.
espn just said he was unconscious after surgery and still in critical condition if i heard correctly.
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Is that really the way a top NFL athlete should handle things?
are you joking?
No. What's wrong with police protection or private body guards? Presumably his personage is very valuable to the Redskins - why would he knowingly put that at risk, as well his reputation, through a firearm defense?
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Is that really the way a top NFL athlete should handle things?
are you joking?
No. What's wrong with police protection or private body guards? Presumably his personage is very valuable to the Redskins - why would he knowingly put that at risk, as well his reputation, through a firearm defense?
Could we keep this out of the thread please? There's a number of firearm debate threads in politics that would answer those very questions for you.
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Sportscenter just reported he is unresponsive, unconscious and clinging to life.
hopefully he can pull through this
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hopefully he can pull through this
just from the sounds of the espn articles and news reports it seems kind of bleak. this is very sad
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11/26/07 06:06 PM
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Also fwiw I think most of the lack of coverage of this can be attributed to the lack of information there is about this right now
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i think there just isnt much to say... is house was broken into, he was shot, he is in critical condition. as long as they update when he becomes conscious or other milestones i dont think much else is needed
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11/26/07 06:11 PM
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NFL network reports that twice during surgery Taylor flatlined
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11/26/07 06:13 PM
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This was also reported on Sirius NFL Radio.
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11/26/07 06:21 PM
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Medical miracles can happen. They will have probably put him in an artificial state of hypothermia, which is supposed to prevent (or at least mitigate) brain damage when air isn't getting to the brain for a period of time.
The surgery to close things up and remove the bullet, it seems, was successful. Until he wakes up, and hoping he does, there is really no way to tell how he'll be. I know for a fact that there is never any solid way to diagnose it until then. I wish him the best.
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I actually commend ESPN for not doing the typical over-coverage thing. What can they say - a guy was shot and we'll know more later. I don;t want a doctor on their drawing diagrams of where he thinks the bullet went in or just the random theories on what happened. I hope he makes it, but move on.
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11/26/07 06:27 PM
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It was reported someone broke into his home the week before and left a knife. I've had similar scares and have kept a bat and a sword in my room after those incidents, I don't see anything unusual about that
Why did he not have a house alarm? It's a trivial cost for a pro athlete. The intruders probably would have left immediately, and even if not, Sean would have had a few more seconds warning.
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Prayers and best wishes to him and his family.
89,721 and counting
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The local DC news is making it sound grave indeed. In the words of George Michael, he is "critically, gravely, seriously injured", "there is a minister at his bedside preparing the family for what may come".
This doesn't sound at all good. I always liked him and was looking forward to watching him in his prime.
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11/26/07 06:48 PM
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DesertCat,
We don't definitively know if he has an alarm or not, right? It could have been disabled or simply not enough of a deterrent to stop that stuff from going down.
I think bodyguards or police detail to guard your home could be a bit much though paranoia and cost-wise. I mean, who expects something this terrible to happen? Christ I hope he pulls through though.
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Someone made this douche a mod?
At least I am not the only one infuriated by his comment. It's amazing how the internet makes people think they can say whatever they want.
My post looks different outside of the context of the post to which it responded. Somebody was pointing out Taylor's history with the law and didn't mention that there's some on the field stuff that speaks to the chance that Taylor is a less than swell dude.
No I think most of us realized that but still found the lack of tact pretty tasteless, made worse by the fact it was Dids, self-appointed moral compass of the internet.
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This was also reported on Sirius NFL Radio.
I think it's pretty sad that his family has no privacy at a time like this.
I usually have no sympathy towards celebrities wrt to their lives being public, but this is a different story imo
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Les Carpenter, who is working the story for us in Miami, heard rumblings that Sean may have opened his eyes.
I have not been able to get that confirmed but just heard from a team offical that Sean is now responsive, which is obviously a turn for the best. I will continue working away to get more details, but this is obviously a turn for the better after Sean spent much of the day in a "non-responsive and unconscious" state.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/
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11/26/07 07:03 PM
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This was also reported on Sirius NFL Radio.
I think it's pretty sad that his family has no privacy at a time like this.
I usually have no sympathy towards celebrities wrt to their lives being public, but this is a different story imo
its a product of this insane media coverage era, and yeah its sad they don't give the family privacy
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Cerrato said: "We'd heard all that and what they told us was to hope for a miracle."
from the blog mentioned above
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just heard Taylor was able to squeeze the doctor's hand and they are "cautiously optimistc". very good news
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11/26/07 08:27 PM
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Prayers and best wishes to him and his family.
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yup I heard this too
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I hope he is okay. That Miami herald article makes it sound like something fishy was going on, which is surprising because I know the Redskins equipment manager and he said he was surprised at how nice Taylor was.
Also, Dids u suck and always have.
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11/26/07 09:07 PM
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good news to hear of the positive news, hopefully he gets through this
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11/26/07 09:40 PM
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sources say he woke up
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Im surprised he didnt have a gun or some sort of firearm on hand instead of the machette...i know i sure as hell would have.
also, ur comment was in poor taste dids...as usual.
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11/26/07 10:01 PM
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Really glad to hear the good news about this. Just hope he doesn't slip back into a coma or some crazy [censored].
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Radio people in DC are making it sound like his girlfriend had something to do with this. Probably completely unsubstantiated and if so that is really [censored] up. Radio hosts keep saying that she didnt put pressure on the wound, how they could possibly know this I have no idea.
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11/26/07 10:25 PM
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my cousin lives in Ashburn (near the Skins's home facility) and he tells a story of seeing Taylor in a grocery store a couple months ago and Taylor taking time to have a conversation w/ a kid and his dad, take a picture, autographs, etc. and Taylor being a real down to earth, nice guy.
also there was a great article on him in the wash post like 5 or 6 weeks ago (or less). Greg Williams is quoted that he "loves" him.
the "not a nice guy" stuff is not accurate.
like everyone, keeping him and his family in my thoughts.
question: assuming he survives (current reports are that he is squeezing somebody's hand - not sure whether it is in response to questions or random muscle movement), is it a foregone conclusion that he never plays again?
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11/26/07 11:08 PM
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ok, I'm watching Comcast here in VA
Someone broke into his out, Sean heard noises. Goes to close the door, the guy bursts in the room and shoots 2 bullets, one hitting him in the groin, the other missing. His GF didn't see anything as she immediately hid under the covers. Flown to the hospital, flat lined twice during surgery, and was unconscious for several hours.
His house was broken into 8 days earlier, with the bedroom being the only room in the house that was untouched.
He is now awake, semi-responsive, able to make facial expressions and moving his arms around.
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Someone made this douche a mod?
At least I am not the only one infuriated by his comment. It's amazing how the internet makes people think they can say whatever they want.
My post looks different outside of the context of the post to which it responded. Somebody was pointing out Taylor's history with the law and didn't mention that there's some on the field stuff that speaks to the chance that Taylor is a less than swell dude.
I realize that I quoted what you wrote but my comment was not specific to your post on the matter.
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ESPN just said that the phonelines to the house were cut
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11/26/07 11:34 PM
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Wow. So F'd up. Good to hear he is doing better.
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Doesn't that automatically trigger any decent home security system?
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11/27/07 12:01 AM
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i think there just isnt much to say... is house was broken into, he was shot, he is in critical condition. as long as they update when he becomes conscious or other milestones i dont think much else is needed
IIRC the media gave non-stop attention when Barbaro was in surgery and apparently had a better chance of survival than Taylor.
It's sad that ESPN is spending about 10 times as much time talking about Ricky Williams and Heinz Field than Taylor. Hope he pulls through.
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Doesn't that automatically trigger any decent home security system?
Although it may be a bit much to speculate at this point, this piece of data plus the weird break-in from the week before plus nothing being stolen is giving this a borderline Rae Carruthian feel to it.
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11/27/07 12:28 AM
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I don't think treating arterial bleeding is common knowledge, WTF are these radio hosts smoking. I mean I realize they are paid to talk about retarded stuff, but seriously, this is the most retarded angle to take on this story I can imagine.
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The person who shot him must be a Cowboy, Eagles or Giants fan! On a serious note though I hope he pulls through. If u got beef with someone approach him like a man and scrap it out. You both live to talk about it the next day. Aparently someone was looking for him because he was home because someone broke in his house. I wonder what is the motive?
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The dude keeps a machete by his bedside? Damn...
It was reported someone broke into his home the week before and left a knife. I've had similar scares and have kept a bat and a sword in my room after those incidents, I don't see anything unusual about that
To me it's unusual that he didn't have something more. I mean damn, that's someone breaking into your house, and leaving something that could be construed as a threat on your life. Totally justified having any number of firearms next to his bedside.
Before I get flamed for being a douche and not being respectful, and not holding these comments for a week when people stop caring as much; This is a terrible event, and I wish Taylor the best and as best a recovery as possible given what has happened to him. It is a sad event, no matter the circumstances.
However, it seems ridiculous to me that his house was broken into twice the week before, and he's at home with just himself, his wife, and his child. He makes enough money. To just be alone is just.. so ridiculous. Please do not be a nit and give me [censored] for being honest and real in this situation. It is terrible and tragic, yes. But the circumstances this happened, with him and his wife and child home alone given what happened the week before, just baffles me. A man making 1/20th his money would have done more to avoid this.
I do not know the full circumstances and perhaps these early news stories have it wrong, thus I could be very wrong. But it just baffles my mind.
In no way am I diminishing the fact a wife and a child might lose their father. However, I'm not going to dilly dally on the absurdity of the facts though while we potentially grieve in this situation.
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11/27/07 04:16 AM
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get better sean!
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It was reported someone broke into his home the week before and left a knife. I've had similar scares and have kept a bat and a sword in my room after those incidents, I don't see anything unusual about that
To me it's unusual that he didn't have something more. I mean damn, that's someone breaking into your house, and leaving something that could be construed as a threat on your life. Totally justified having any number of firearms next to his bedside.
Before I get flamed for being a douche and not being respectful, and not holding these comments for a week when people stop caring as much; This is a terrible event, and I wish Taylor the best and as best a recovery as possible given what has happened to him. It is a sad event, no matter the circumstances.
However, it seems ridiculous to me that his house was broken into twice the week before, and he's at home with just himself, his wife, and his child. He makes enough money. To just be alone is just.. so ridiculous. Please do not be a nit and give me [censored] for being honest and real in this situation. It is terrible and tragic, yes. But the circumstances this happened, with him and his wife and child home alone given what happened the week before, just baffles me. A man making 1/20th his money would have done more to avoid this.
I do not know the full circumstances and perhaps these early news stories have it wrong, thus I could be very wrong. But it just baffles my mind.
In no way am I diminishing the fact a wife and a child might lose their father. However, I'm not going to dilly dally on the absurdity of the facts though while we potentially grieve in this situation.
you make a good point. we don't have enough information yet to figure out exactly what was going on. miami is a dangerous place thats for sure.
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He died. RIP
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11/27/07 06:06 AM
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just heard it from mike golic...i didnt think i cared that much but i almost threw up
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RIP
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just terrible and tragic
RIP, Redskins fans will always <3 you
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Link to story
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3129406
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This made me much sadder than these things usually do. Maybe it's that I haven't slept in 2 days, but I got a lump in my throat when I heard it.
RIP
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RIP
its sad how little wrong a black man has to do to be considered some sort of thug/gangster, etc. dude was from a middle class family and his dad is a police chief. he had one run in with someone who he thought had stolen his property and so many people are quick to think he must have brought it upon himself when he's gunned down in his own house
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its sad how little wrong a black man has to do to be considered some sort of thug/gangster, etc. dude was from a middle class family and his dad is a police chief. he had one run in with someone who he thought had stolen his property and so many people are quick to think he must have brought it upon himself when he's gunned down in his own house
You might be right, but let's not make this thread all about racism. Too soon imo.
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11/27/07 06:51 AM
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So sad. A healthy 24-year-old should never meet tragedy like this.
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11/27/07 06:59 AM
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Judging from everything I've been hearing (including the linked ESPN article), it seems like Taylor got everything turned around this season, both personally and professionally. I don't know if that makes this more or less sad, but I'm glad that he went out on a high note, and got to experience life for a while as someone who's viewed as a solid citizen.
Rest in peace, Sean. In the next life, may you never want for receivers too terrified to go over the middle (or too dumb to know they shouldn't). Happy hunting.
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wow, i usually never care about crap like this, but this actually bothered me. i was afraid he was going to die but it seemed like good news was coming out and he was stabalizing and etc.
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11/27/07 07:26 AM
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horrible news, first darrent williams and now sean taylor dying of gun violence
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its sad how little wrong a black man has to do to be considered some sort of thug/gangster, etc. dude was from a middle class family and his dad is a police chief. he had one run in with someone who he thought had stolen his property and so many people are quick to think he must have brought it upon himself when he's gunned down in his own house
You might be right, but let's not make this thread all about racism. Too soon imo.
i mean in general not necessarily on 2plus2, most repsonses here have been positive towards him, im talking more about how the media like to spin things
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11/27/07 07:41 AM
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God bless the dead. RIP
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
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Damn, when I heard he was shot I thought it was [censored] up, was a lot more affected than I thought I would be hearing his death.
RIP Sean Taylor
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[censored] horrible, when i went to sleep, i thought he was coming around and would make it through this...
[censored] horrible, RIP
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[censored] horrible, RIP
This post sums up my thoughts as well. I woke up this morning to a text message from my g/f that said Taylor passed away. So sad.
Redskins fans will always love him.
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Man I'm a Giants fan and I liked the guy. Great player, cool guy, even chatted with me when I railbirded his table on FTP a year or so ago. Genuinely sad about this he was younger than me just terrible
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
QFT
I'm a pretty cynical person, but I thought he wouldn't make it. Quite frankly, I'm surprised he lasted this long with the wound that he had.
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11/27/07 08:48 AM
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Yeah I just assumed he would make it since...well, I don't know. This is pretty sad. Any word on the investigation at all?
Also, si.com is totally asleep at the wheel. There's nothing about it there.
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11/27/07 08:56 AM
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Wow, when I heard he was responding to commands, I was 100% sure he'd make it. Awful
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11/27/07 08:59 AM
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R.I.P. Sean Taylor
It's sad to see a person and a player of his standard go down like this. I really thought he'd pull through too. My prayers go out to his family and friends.
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Huge bummer
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11/27/07 09:17 AM
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My thoughts go out to his 18month old son and wife. So sad.
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Can't think of anything that hasn't already been said.. so terrible, RIP Sean Taylor.. loved watching this guy when he was at Miami
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11/27/07 09:25 AM
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here? It may have not come the way he wanted it to or in the context he meant it, but I understood completely and the only thing I got out of it is "There is more to the media misperception of him as a bad guy than just the gun incident".  As I read it, the comment was why the some in the media felt the way they did.
Fair or unfair, but spitting incidents will always follow someone whether it be Robbie Alomar or Bill Romanowski and also look like a vile act, regardless of how great a person is otherwise.
RIP, very sad for the family.
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11/27/07 09:50 AM
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here? It may have not come the way he wanted it to or in the context he meant it, but I understood completely and the only thing I got out of it is "There is more to the media misperception of him as a bad guy than just the gun incident". As I read it, the comment was why the some in the media felt the way they did.
Fair or unfair, but spitting incidents will always follow someone whether it be Robbie Alomar or Bill Romanowski and also look like a vile act, regardless of how great a person is otherwise.
RIP, very sad for the family.
I think everyone is upset, fueling their anger at the Didsman.
Very sad event.
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11/27/07 09:51 AM
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Would anyone with medical knowlege care to explain what exactly happens when your femoral artery gets severed and more importantly, what the doctors could do to save him.
Seems like it would be hard to reattach such a major artery.
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11/27/07 10:30 AM
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here? It may have not come the way he wanted it to or in the context he meant it, but I understood completely and the only thing I got out of it is "There is more to the media misperception of him as a bad guy than just the gun incident". As I read it, the comment was why the some in the media felt the way they did.
Fair or unfair, but spitting incidents will always follow someone whether it be Robbie Alomar or Bill Romanowski and also look like a vile act, regardless of how great a person is otherwise.
RIP, very sad for the family.
Bingo.
Not that I expect most of the simpletons that read this site and engage in the usual hysterical moaning when horrible stuff like this happens to be able to understand that.
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Would anyone with medical knowlege care to explain what exactly happens when your femoral artery gets severed and more importantly, what the doctors could do to save him.
Seems like it would be hard to reattach such a major artery.
You bleed and bleed. I know that sounds trite, but that's really the long and short of the problem. Reattaching is relatively simple (vascular surgeons do way, way more complicated stuff daily), but the blood loss is so ridiculous that you really have to get to an OR fast. Sadly, quicker medical attention would have most likely saved him. He was most likely screwed by the time the cops or medics showed up. You just have to stop massive bleeding like that or you're dead in a matter of minutes.
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here? It may have not come the way he wanted it to or in the context he meant it, but I understood completely and the only thing I got out of it is "There is more to the media misperception of him as a bad guy than just the gun incident". As I read it, the comment was why the some in the media felt the way they did.
Fair or unfair, but spitting incidents will always follow someone whether it be Robbie Alomar or Bill Romanowski and also look like a vile act, regardless of how great a person is otherwise.
RIP, very sad for the family.
Bingo.
Not that I expect most of the simpletons that read this site and engage in the usual hysterical moaning when horrible stuff like this happens to be able to understand that.
ummm.. WE GOT THAT. Jesus you're retarded. You made the faux pas of faux pas, get called on it, and rather than just own up to it, you cry context and crawl into your fat suit of superiority. Stay classy.
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11/27/07 10:47 AM
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RIP
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RIP, what a shame.
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11/27/07 10:52 AM
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Really glad to hear the good news about this. Just hope he doesn't slip back into a coma or some crazy [censored].
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11/27/07 10:52 AM
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kc,
The thing is that I don't think it's a faux pas in the least. You want me to admit that I'm far less emotional about stuff like this than most people, you got me!
Also, even though we disagree, I realize YOU got that. You're a sharp dude. We might share different feelings on message board do's and don'ts, but whatever. The idiots who say "omg you should be permabanned" or "how did you get modded" however, don't get that kind of credit.
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Dids, you can be such a douche some times.
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11/27/07 11:05 AM
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here? It may have not come the way he wanted it to or in the context he meant it, but I understood completely and the only thing I got out of it is "There is more to the media misperception of him as a bad guy than just the gun incident". As I read it, the comment was why the some in the media felt the way they did.
Fair or unfair, but spitting incidents will always follow someone whether it be Robbie Alomar or Bill Romanowski and also look like a vile act, regardless of how great a person is otherwise.
RIP, very sad for the family.
Bingo.
Not that I expect most of the simpletons that read this site and engage in the usual hysterical moaning when horrible stuff like this happens to be able to understand that.
I assume that you are ignorant as to how much you suck at life, and it's not that you are purposefully malicious, but dude, just stop posting.
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kc,
The thing is that I don't think it's a faux pas in the least. You want me to admit that I'm far less emotional about stuff like this than most people, you got me!
Also, even though we disagree, I realize YOU got that. You're a sharp dude. We might share different feelings on message board do's and don'ts, but whatever. The idiots who say "omg you should be permabanned" or "how did you get modded" however, don't get that kind of credit.
actually, Dids, I'm more in line with you than you think. I'm largely the same way. I don't get broken up about this sort of stuff for whatever reason. I've had unpopular thoughts in other cases much like yours here. However, I've managed to keep those thoughts to myself and show a little class from time to time. I think we just disagree on what's actually tactful in this case.
I agree that the permaban stuff is silly. I'll stop talking about it now, because it's just making it worse.
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What Dids said was insensitive and could be taken wrong but I forgot about it the moment I read this in BBV4L:
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Why did he get shot and who shot him. You have to be doing something wrong to get shot imo.
ianisakson was the all-star poster who said it
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11/27/07 11:19 AM
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I think it's very telling what is ok to say and not ok to say during incidents like this is completely dependent on who the person is and what they do for a living. Probably a conversation for a different time and thread.
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11/27/07 11:22 AM
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srsly guys, we should prolly change the subject
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11/27/07 11:25 AM
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srsly guys, we should prolly change the subject
Yeah, to something like the actual subject would be good. If people want to hate on Dids there's thousands of threads in these forums for that, but there's far fewer ones discussing the Sean Taylor tragedy.
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Yeah, to something like the actual subject would be good. If people want to hate on Dids there's thousands of threads in these forums for that, but there's far fewer ones discussing the Sean Taylor tragedy.
my mom was crying, which made me feel bad
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wow pronounced dead, really really [censored] up story. sounds liek a real motivated guy with a good hear on his shoulders. Its really unfortunate
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11/27/07 11:59 AM
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He had a machete next to his bed?
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Heres hoping that the criminal(s) spend this Christmas behind bars.
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11/27/07 12:05 PM
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This really sucks. Hes always been one of my favorite players.
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11/27/07 12:12 PM
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bummer man
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He had a machete next to his bed?
Strange, to be sure. But in hindsight, this was obviously a good idea. Yes I'm being results-oriented.
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the play that won me over:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHQH8TuWJWo&feature=related
RIP
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Sometimes it's hard to believe that NFL players are real people - they absorb ferocious hits and get up like it was nothing, act on well-honed reads to make phenomenal plays; we talk about them here with projections and statistics. They're not real - just automatons who get better when they're young and get worse when they're old and in between make some sick plays.
They're real and sometimes they get shot, like real people. I was shocked to learn he died - RIP.
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11/27/07 12:30 PM
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Strange, to be sure. But in hindsight, this was obviously a good idea. Yes I'm being results-oriented.
Multiple break-ins - one where somebody leaves a knife on the bed - and the phone lines being cut sounds a little more involved than just a straight up burglary to me. It's all very weird.
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11/27/07 12:33 PM
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also he spits on people!
disgusting behavior. Shame on you. No matter how you want to explain this line, you have to take into consideration the time and place to even make the comment.
How is this guy a mod ?
RIP Sean, you'll be missed in every Boys'-Skins game I ever watch.
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11/27/07 12:33 PM
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Cutting the phone lines may have more to do with disabling (or attempting to disable) an alarm than anything more sinister.
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11/27/07 12:34 PM
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Cutting the phone lines may have more to do with disabling (or attempting to disable) an alarm than anything more sinister.
Who breaks in a week before and leaves a knife on the bed, though?
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My thoughts go out to his 18month old son and wife. So sad.
His 18 month old is a girl fwiw..
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11/27/07 12:39 PM
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RIP
its sad how little wrong a black man has to do to be considered some sort of thug/gangster, etc. dude was from a middle class family and his dad is a police chief. he had one run in with someone who he thought had stolen his property and so many people are quick to think he must have brought it upon himself when he's gunned down in his own house
so friggin true. The ESPN column about Taylor "turning his life around" is a complete joke/insult.
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11/27/07 12:42 PM
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disgusting behavior. Shame on you. No matter how you want to explain this line, you have to take into consideration the time and place to even make the comment.
I don't want to belabor this, but the "place" is the damn internet. To the best of my knowledge Taylor's family is not reading 2p2. To the best of my knowledge most everybody here only knows him from watching football. If you are reading the internet expecting nice and sensitive, you are painfully misguided.
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11/27/07 12:42 PM
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umm srsly dids?
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also he spits on people!
disgusting behavior. Shame on you. No matter how you want to explain this line, you have to take into consideration the time and place to even make the comment.
I don't want to belabor this, but the "place" is the damn internet. To the best of my knowledge Taylor's family is not reading 2p2. To the best of my knowledge most everybody here only knows him from watching football. If you are reading the internet expecting nice and sensitive, you are painfully misguided.
It's so sad to watch you dig this hole. Not *remotely* surprising given what we know about you. But it's still sad. You have exactly zero class.
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he probably wasn't allowed to own a gun due to the incident with the dudes trying to steal his stuff.
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11/27/07 12:46 PM
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the play that won me over:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHQH8TuWJWo&feature=related
RIP
I wonder if Brian Mooreman was relieved or saddened when he heard this news. I expect a little of both.
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11/27/07 12:49 PM
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the play that won me over:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHQH8TuWJWo&feature=related
RIP
I wonder if Brian Mooreman was relieved or saddened when he heard this news. I expect a little of both.
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edit: also, RIP
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11/27/07 12:49 PM
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Would anyone with medical knowlege care to explain what exactly happens when your femoral artery gets severed and more importantly, what the doctors could do to save him.
Seems like it would be hard to reattach such a major artery.
You bleed and bleed. I know that sounds trite, but that's really the long and short of the problem. Reattaching is relatively simple (vascular surgeons do way, way more complicated stuff daily), but the blood loss is so ridiculous that you really have to get to an OR fast. Sadly, quicker medical attention would have most likely saved him. He was most likely screwed by the time the cops or medics showed up. You just have to stop massive bleeding like that or you're dead in a matter of minutes.
He probably didn't get his femoral artery severed, he'd probably have died right away. The problem with trauma in the groin is that the groin contains some of the most complicated vascular systems in the body. What most likely happened is that the doctors missed a bleed somewhere during surgery, but this is pretty common with trauma in the groin (which is way more common in car accidents). The trauma (blood and other material) makes it almost impossible to repair all the damage and its unfortunate that Taylor didn't pull through.
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RIP
its sad how little wrong a black man has to do to be considered some sort of thug/gangster, etc. dude was from a middle class family and his dad is a police chief. he had one run in with someone who he thought had stolen his property and so many people are quick to think he must have brought it upon himself when he's gunned down in his own house
so friggin true. The ESPN column about Taylor "turning his life around" is a complete joke/insult.
I think there's a lot to this, but what of all of his teammates who talk a lot about how he had matured so much in the last few months? Wilbon made some comments in his chat yesterday that made it sound like he found this relatively unsurprising, and I think he's probably unlikely to write off misbehaving black athletes as thugs. It seems like trying to infer much of anything of his life from what the media says is difficult and unlikely to be correct.
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also he spits on people!
disgusting behavior. Shame on you. No matter how you want to explain this line, you have to take into consideration the time and place to even make the comment.
I don't want to belabor this, but the "place" is the damn internet. To the best of my knowledge Taylor's family is not reading 2p2. To the best of my knowledge most everybody here only knows him from watching football. If you are reading the internet expecting nice and sensitive, you are painfully misguided.
Dids,
I think everyones point here was "hey, instead of saying something incredibly moronic, why not just like, not say something incredibly moronic?"
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here?
No.
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also he spits on people!
disgusting behavior. Shame on you. No matter how you want to explain this line, you have to take into consideration the time and place to even make the comment.
I don't want to belabor this, but the "place" is the damn internet. To the best of my knowledge Taylor's family is not reading 2p2. To the best of my knowledge most everybody here only knows him from watching football. If you are reading the internet expecting nice and sensitive, you are painfully misguided.
Dids,
I think everyones point here was "hey, instead of saying something incredibly moronic, why not just like, not say something incredibly moronic?"
You'd be asking too much of him. The very justification of his action points to a complex that gets created when you live in an internet world where you get to apply "rules". This is his "world", and he's never wrong here. If he bans you he's right. If he deletes your post he's right. And then when he says something incredibly idiotic, he's right. Because it's just the internet, and he's got a mod cap on.
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the play that won me over:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHQH8TuWJWo&feature=related
RIP
I wonder if Brian Mooreman was relieved or saddened when he heard this news. I expect a little of both.
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Of coarse he isn't actually relieved... but part of Taylor's legacy is going to be that he was one of the most feared defenders in the league. As a fan, that is how I will remember him and that is what I will miss. The thought of someone who was on the unfortunate end of one of his hits being a little relieved, in the back of their head, that it won't happen again makes me smile.
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disgusting behavior. Shame on you. No matter how you want to explain this line, you have to take into consideration the time and place to even make the comment.
I don't want to belabor this, but the "place" is the damn internet. To the best of my knowledge Taylor's family is not reading 2p2. To the best of my knowledge most everybody here only knows him from watching football. If you are reading the internet expecting nice and sensitive, you are painfully misguided.
Dids,
I think everyones point here was "hey, instead of saying something incredibly moronic, why not just like, not say something incredibly moronic?"
You of all people should understand, the internet is no place to hold back one's inner moron.
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also he spits on people!
disgusting behavior. Shame on you. No matter how you want to explain this line, you have to take into consideration the time and place to even make the comment.
I don't want to belabor this, but the "place" is the damn internet. To the best of my knowledge Taylor's family is not reading 2p2. To the best of my knowledge most everybody here only knows him from watching football. If you are reading the internet expecting nice and sensitive, you are painfully misguided.
Dids,
I think everyones point here was "hey, instead of saying something incredibly moronic, why not just like, not say something incredibly moronic?"
You of all people should understand, the internet is no place to hold back one's inner moron.
Oh don't worry, that's one thing we'll never accuse you of doing...
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hey everyone,
i started slamming dids in the bbv4l sean taylor thread, perhaps it should be moved there
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11/27/07 01:09 PM
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hey everyone,
i started slamming dids in the bbv4l sean taylor thread, perhaps it should be moved there
I think your posts are being deleted. Which if course is no surprise. What happened to the internet being a place for one's inner moron ? Oh right that only applies when a mod wants to say something ridiculous. Got it.
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also he spits on people!
disgusting behavior. Shame on you. No matter how you want to explain this line, you have to take into consideration the time and place to even make the comment.
I don't want to belabor this, but the "place" is the damn internet. To the best of my knowledge Taylor's family is not reading 2p2. To the best of my knowledge most everybody here only knows him from watching football. If you are reading the internet expecting nice and sensitive, you are painfully misguided.
Dids,
I think everyones point here was "hey, instead of saying something incredibly moronic, why not just like, not say something incredibly moronic?"
You'd be asking too much of him. The very justification of his action points to a complex that gets created when you live in an internet world where you get to apply "rules". This is his "world", and he's never wrong here. If he bans you he's right. If he deletes your post he's right. And then when he says something incredibly idiotic, he's right. Because it's just the internet, and he's got a mod cap on.
Rafiki: More ridiculous than Dids!
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its sad how little wrong a black man has to do to be considered some sort of thug/gangster, etc. dude was from a middle class family and his dad is a police chief. he had one run in with someone who he thought had stolen his property and so many people are quick to think he must have brought it upon himself when he's gunned down in his own house
so friggin true. The ESPN column about Taylor "turning his life around" is a complete joke/insult.
I think any athlete, rather white or black, is going to get this treatment after being fined multiple times and having run ins with people with loaded weapons, DUIs, and the like.
His own (black) teammates talked about how he had "grown up" while he was in surgery which implies he had some growing up to do.
Sean Taylor clearly did not have a sparkling reputation, regardless of where he came from.
Playing the race card is pretty weak.
It sucks that he died though, I don't think anyone is arguing with that.
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RIP, Redskins fans will always <3 you
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11/27/07 01:19 PM
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hey everyone,
i started slamming dids in the bbv4l sean taylor thread, perhaps it should be moved there
I think your posts are being deleted. Which if course is no surprise. What happened to the internet being a place for one's inner moron ? Oh right that only applies when a mod wants to say something ridiculous. Got it.
Dude,
I don't mod sports, and I'm pretty sure the folks that do would have no problem deleting my posts if they thought they were delete worthy. The fact that I'm a mod has nothing to do with my posts in this thread. If I wasn't a mod, I would have behaved the same, and would have been shocked if I was banned. I know it makes your inner Mrs. Reverand Lovejoy cry when you see a mod post mean things, but you should let this aspect of the argument go.
FWIW- I haven't touched anything in BBV4L.
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I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here?
No.
You guys are making way too much of this. Dids isn't helping his own case very well - who cares if it's the Internet, that's the lamest way to contextualize something - but he was right - Sean Taylor did a little people-spitting in his time. Should be a completely throwaway observation but for the man dying shortly after Dids made it. Just unfortunate timing. If people were a little less reactionary, or Dids was a little less proud, it wouldn't be anything.
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i started slamming dids in the bbv4l sean taylor thread, perhaps it should be moved there
I think your posts are being deleted. Which if course is no surprise. What happened to the internet being a place for one's inner moron ? Oh right that only applies when a mod wants to say something ridiculous. Got it.
If I wasn't a mod, I would have behaved the same
On this I think we're both perfectly clear. Your clear lack of class clearly stems from events that predate 2p2. But yes I'm prepared to forget this, I've said all I want to say on this matter.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that almost all 21 year olds have some growing up to do...
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11/27/07 01:38 PM
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Wow I am a heartless bastard, this is a sick joke setup.
Disclaimer: you guys can make all the jokes about me you want when I'm dead, I'm positive I wont care.
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Seriously just when I thought the Redskins couldn't run any worse. Taylor was my 2nd fav player in the NFL (<3 Chris Cooley) and was the heart of the Skins defense. Crushing blow to the organization. Dude was a top 3 safety and was 24, definitely could have ended his career as the greatest safety ever. RIP, I will be wearing my jersey proudly today despite it being a Tuesday.
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(You're the only person on the site whose presence annoys me. Stay out of this forum. If you post...)
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11/27/07 02:17 PM
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or Dids was a little less proud, it wouldn't be anything.
I mean the thing here is its just this cycle of dids doing something moronic, a bunch of people say its moronic, then he calls ALL of those people stupid/whatever else he feels like using in an attempt to completely deflect the blame. Then he goes "oh man, remember that time you did something moronic? that totally precludes you from calling the moronic thing i just said exactly what it is". The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
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11/27/07 02:17 PM
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Does every thread on 2p2 have to be derailed by complete and total idiocy?
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11/27/07 02:23 PM
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or Dids was a little less proud, it wouldn't be anything.
I mean the thing here is its just this cycle of dids doing something moronic, a bunch of people say its moronic, then he calls ALL of those people stupid/whatever else he feels like using in an attempt to completely deflect the blame. Then he goes "oh man, remember that time you did something moronic? that totally precludes you from calling the moronic thing i just said exactly what it is". The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
RJ,
What specifically do you think was "stupid". I can see why people thought what I said was insenstivie, but there's hardly anything stupid about it. It wasn't like I was shocked by the reaction I got or anything.
You should consider what words actually mean before you use them.
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11/27/07 02:23 PM
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Obviously alot of the earlier comments in this thread look super insensitive now that we know that he didn't pull through, but seriously people, what Dids said really isn't a big deal. Stop acting like he shot him. Even if it bothered you, just ignore it and move on.
Back on topic: this is very sad. He was pretty young and already one of the top safeties in the league. Such a waste.
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(You're the only person on the site whose presence annoys me. Stay out of this forum. If you post...)
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or Dids was a little less proud, it wouldn't be anything.
I mean the thing here is its just this cycle of dids doing something moronic, a bunch of people say its moronic, then he calls ALL of those people stupid/whatever else he feels like using in an attempt to completely deflect the blame. Then he goes "oh man, remember that time you did something moronic? that totally precludes you from calling the moronic thing i just said exactly what it is". The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
RJ,
What specifically do you think was "stupid". I can see why people thought what I said was insenstivie, but there's hardly anything stupid about it. It wasn't like I was shocked by the reaction I got or anything.
You should consider what words actually mean before you use them.
lololololol. I will ignore the temptation to laugh at you for 30 minutes for you thinking that what you just said made any sense. I obv dont know what stupid means, because in the context that you just made up, my usage doesnt make perfect sense.
I said it was stupid because as i said in my previous post, it didnt really have the potential to do anything but piss people off. I dont get why you would go "oh man these people care about this guy who got shot, better act like it doesnt matter because i said it on the internet". You were saying it specifically to a group of people who were sad someone they like had been shot. I'm not upset that its insensitive, hell you should have yelled the n word over and over and i would have thought it was less stupid. Just the fact that you come into a thread about someone getting shot that is obv drawing emotions and say something like that. The statement wasnt stupid, the fact that you either did it as a troll or as some attention whoring retardation was stupid. Thinking that your statement would draw ANY reaction other than what it drew was also stupid. Is my explaination of why what you said is stupid adequate now or are you just going to make another snarky, completely unrelated comment to try to convince yourself that i'm wrong and everyone else is crazy.
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Does every thread on 2p2 have to be derailed by complete and total idiocy?
No, just the ones that Dids chooses to read.
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11/27/07 02:35 PM
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The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
wow, yeah. lol.
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[censored] horrible, when i went to sleep, i thought he was coming around and would make it through this...
[censored] horrible, RIP
my exact thoughts.
ps-just because this is an internet forum doesnt mean u should go around acting like an insensitive douchebag every chance u get dids. i realize arguing with u is pointless because u refuse to put urself in, oh i dont know, his father's shoes and realize this isnt the time or the place for comments such as urs...but i guess only simpleminded folk have the ability to realize this.
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(You're the only person on the site whose presence annoys me. Stay out of this forum. If you post...)
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11/27/07 02:53 PM
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The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Have I ever denied there are times I lack self awareness? I am pretty sure we all do that, dids is just constantly in denial of doing so and I thought pointing this out might help. Right, i forgot that I wasn't arguing against anyone with any actual point. whatever, enjoy, I very very simply said my point when someone asked I explained it and then I get oot retard troll posse following me, sweeeet.
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11/27/07 02:59 PM
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Dids and RJ,
Please shut the [censored] up, you stupid [censored] retards. You are both being whiny little bitches and ruining a thread about a guy who just died.
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PITTM
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11/27/07 03:00 PM
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Someone asked me to explain what I said, I did, then I was trolled by multiple people. I dont know what I should have done to prevent this, but I am going to leave now because I will probably get banned for being trolled if i respond.
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11/27/07 03:07 PM
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I asked once to stay on topic, things somehow managed to get even worse. Here is the link to the BBV4L thread about this:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...p;vc=1&nt=2
Go call Dids retarded over there all you want and let him manage it. No more here.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPR7vz-OvAw
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11/27/07 03:19 PM
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very nice tribute vid zor, such sick hits
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11/27/07 03:23 PM
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Please shut the [censored] up, you stupid [censored] retards. You are both being whiny little bitches and ruining a thread about a healthy 24 year old who just was shot and killed in his house by some scumbag.
find a different spot for your internet dick waving contests guys.
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Also. I am not even a Redskin fan but this is hitting me pretty hard and I don't exactly know why.
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Man I'm an Eagles fan and I liked the guy.
I think I was more upset over the Darrent Williams death, but yeah this hit me harder than usual. It's very sad and I wish his family the best.
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11/27/07 03:30 PM
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RIP
I wish for one day, sportswriters would get a brain, most of the stuff written, or put on the air has been disgusting
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11/27/07 03:30 PM
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Yeah, I am one of those giant giant draft nerds. I remember the year he was drafted he was #1 on my big board and I completely loved him and said he would be the best player drafted in like 3 years. Not seeing him ever again is pretty [censored] lame.
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So sad, I dont really know why but I was really suprised/sad when I heard this in the morning. I guess I just imagined the whole situation, knowing that people are basically hunting you, willing/wanting to kill you, able to get in your house, and for no reason that we currently know. The police will hopefully find something out, but this looks like it was the work of people that had done this many times before, making Taylor look like he was up to no good at some point.
RIP Taylor, still cant believe it.
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So sad, I dont really know why but I was really suprised/sad when I heard this in the morning. I guess I just imagined the whole situation, knowing that people are basically hunting you, willing/wanting to kill you, able to get in your house, and for no reason that we currently know. The police will hopefully find something out, but this looks like it was the work of people that had done this many times before, making Taylor look like he was up to no good at some point.
I think this is the key point here. Whatever else happened, unless the girlfriend is making up the whole story, this is 100% a professional hit and not a simple robbery. That, in turn, means Taylor was not clean. It's sad, and I'm as sorry a 24 year old making millions died in the prime of his life as any poker player/NFL fan, but, plainly, this is about something more than a robbery gone bad.
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So sad, I dont really know why but I was really suprised/sad when I heard this in the morning. I guess I just imagined the whole situation, knowing that people are basically hunting you, willing/wanting to kill you, able to get in your house, and for no reason that we currently know. The police will hopefully find something out, but this looks like it was the work of people that had done this many times before, making Taylor look like he was up to no good at some point.
I think this is the key point here. Whatever else happened, unless the girlfriend is making up the whole story, this is 100% a professional hit and not a simple robbery. That, in turn, means Taylor was not clean. It's sad, and I'm as sorry a 24 year old making millions died in the prime of his life as any poker player/NFL fan, but, plainly, this is about something more than a robbery gone bad.
I didn't realize professional hitmen missed on 50% of their shots and went for the groin/thigh area.
This is a sad moment, because all evidence points to Sean Taylor having really grown up and matured over the last year or so, and had gone far from the knucklehead days of his earliest NFL career.
But there is no evidence pointing to a "professional hit" at all, and no evidence contradicting anything the girlfriend is reported to have said, and any wild ass speculation is, at this point, complete and total conjecture.
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I think this is the key point here. Whatever else happened, unless the girlfriend is making up the whole story, this is 100% a professional hit and not a simple robbery.
Getting shot in the groin makes it pretty unlikely to be a professional hit imo (unless they wanted to simply hurt him and not neccessarily kill gim by shooting him in this way). I'm no doctor but the chances of killing someone with a shot to the groin must be far from certain I would imagine. Especially with his girlfriend around to call the cops/ambulances. Obviously not ruling your suggestion out, but this something to consider imo.
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So sad, I dont really know why but I was really suprised/sad when I heard this in the morning. I guess I just imagined the whole situation, knowing that people are basically hunting you, willing/wanting to kill you, able to get in your house, and for no reason that we currently know. The police will hopefully find something out, but this looks like it was the work of people that had done this many times before, making Taylor look like he was up to no good at some point.
I think this is the key point here. Whatever else happened, unless the girlfriend is making up the whole story, this is 100% a professional hit and not a simple robbery. That, in turn, means Taylor was not clean. It's sad, and I'm as sorry a 24 year old making millions died in the prime of his life as any poker player/NFL fan, but, plainly, this is about something more than a robbery gone bad.
You may be right, but probably are not.
Either way, leave this crap out of here. The guy is gone now, so it doesn't matter. I hate when people speculate as to why someone was killed. This isn't CSI. The guy is dead.
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So sad, I dont really know why but I was really suprised/sad when I heard this in the morning. I guess I just imagined the whole situation, knowing that people are basically hunting you, willing/wanting to kill you, able to get in your house, and for no reason that we currently know. The police will hopefully find something out, but this looks like it was the work of people that had done this many times before, making Taylor look like he was up to no good at some point.
I think this is the key point here. Whatever else happened, unless the girlfriend is making up the whole story, this is 100% a professional hit and not a simple robbery. That, in turn, means Taylor was not clean. It's sad, and I'm as sorry a 24 year old making millions died in the prime of his life as any poker player/NFL fan, but, plainly, this is about something more than a robbery gone bad.
You're not really living up to your title on this one duder.
I don't think we know nearly enough to assume this is a hit. You seem to be suggesting that there's an indication that whoever did it was an expert, but I'm pretty sure that if you're an expert hitman, you don't hit a guy in the groin, hoping to luckbox and hit the right artery, and then leave to let the guy bleed out instead of finishing the job.
We have no [censored] clue what happened, all we know is that it's pretty [censored] sad and hopefully we'll learn more later.
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meh, not so sure if it's professional, even with the knife incident...
if taylor was being harassed and really thought someone was out to get him, wouldn't he have stepped up his personal security (guards, alarms, shotgun)??
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11/27/07 03:58 PM
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I didn't realize professional hitmen missed on 50% of their shots and went for the groin/thigh area.
This is a sad moment, because all evidence points to Sean Taylor having really grown up and matured over the last year or so, and had gone far from the knucklehead days of his earliest NFL career.
But there is no evidence pointing to a "professional hit" at all, and no evidence contradicting anything the girlfriend is reported to have said, and any wild ass speculation is, at this point, complete and total conjecture.
I don't think a professional hitman was necessarily involved. In fact, it's much more likely to be people he knew, maybe an old member of his posse before he actually grew up. Some of those guys don't take rejection lightly.
The fact is that when somebody breaks into your house, takes nothing or at least not much ("rifling through drawers"? meh) and leaves a knife on the bed, we aren't talking about a robbery. The guy coming back and shooting him is just confirmation at this point - he likely already knew he was in some serious trouble. If anything, the sad part is that because he was already on probation for gun charges, he couldn't really defend himself and, I guess, didn't have enough security around him to make up for it.
Anyway, enough about this; I'm sorry the guy's dead and it's a sad day for the NFL/fans.
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Also. I am not even a Redskin fan but this is hitting me pretty hard and I don't exactly know why.
I think what the poster who said that these players take a super human role in our eyes was spot on. People on this planet die all the time all over the place. But this man was an on the field juggernaut and sometimes we confuse the man on the field with the man off. We still idolize these people like little boys, so when a hero faces real death, even if that hero is not our own, it hurts.
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I didn't realize professional hitmen missed on 50% of their shots and went for the groin/thigh area.
This is a sad moment, because all evidence points to Sean Taylor having really grown up and matured over the last year or so, and had gone far from the knucklehead days of his earliest NFL career.
But there is no evidence pointing to a "professional hit" at all, and no evidence contradicting anything the girlfriend is reported to have said, and any wild ass speculation is, at this point, complete and total conjecture.
I don't think a professional hitman was necessarily involved. In fact, it's much more likely to be people he knew, maybe an old member of his posse before he actually grew up. Some of those guys don't take rejection lightly.
The fact is that when somebody breaks into your house, takes nothing or at least not much ("rifling through drawers"? meh) and leaves a knife on the bed, we aren't talking about a robbery. The guy coming back and shooting him is just confirmation at this point - he likely already knew he was in some serious trouble. If anything, the sad part is that because he was already on probation for gun charges, he couldn't really defend himself and, I guess, didn't have enough security around him to make up for it.
Anyway, enough about this; I'm sorry the guy's dead and it's a sad day for the NFL/fans.
Dude,
That is such wild and unnecessary speculation and frankly, stereotyping. Because he was young, black, rich he must have had members of his posse who wanted a piece. He grew up in a middle class family in a good neighborhood with a cop as a father. He wasnt a gangbanger that got lifted out by his athletic abilities. By all accounts it sounds as if Sean was a nice and humble young man. I really hope I am taking your post wrong.
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11/27/07 04:10 PM
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You're definitely taking it wrong 
yeah, seriously, my bad for posting this, I'd rather not hijack the thread any further. my apologies.
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11/27/07 04:10 PM
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So sad, I dont really know why but I was really suprised/sad when I heard this in the morning. I guess I just imagined the whole situation, knowing that people are basically hunting you, willing/wanting to kill you, able to get in your house, and for no reason that we currently know. The police will hopefully find something out, but this looks like it was the work of people that had done this many times before, making Taylor look like he was up to no good at some point.
I think this is the key point here. Whatever else happened, unless the girlfriend is making up the whole story, this is 100% a professional hit and not a simple robbery. That, in turn, means Taylor was not clean. It's sad, and I'm as sorry a 24 year old making millions died in the prime of his life as any poker player/NFL fan, but, plainly, this is about something more than a robbery gone bad.
Is all of this speculation really necessary?
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I didn't realize professional hitmen missed on 50% of their shots and went for the groin/thigh area.
This is a sad moment, because all evidence points to Sean Taylor having really grown up and matured over the last year or so, and had gone far from the knucklehead days of his earliest NFL career.
But there is no evidence pointing to a "professional hit" at all, and no evidence contradicting anything the girlfriend is reported to have said, and any wild ass speculation is, at this point, complete and total conjecture.
I don't think a professional hitman was necessarily involved. In fact, it's much more likely to be people he knew, maybe an old member of his posse before he actually grew up. Some of those guys don't take rejection lightly.
The fact is that when somebody breaks into your house, takes nothing or at least not much ("rifling through drawers"? meh) and leaves a knife on the bed, we aren't talking about a robbery. The guy coming back and shooting him is just confirmation at this point - he likely already knew he was in some serious trouble. If anything, the sad part is that because he was already on probation for gun charges, he couldn't really defend himself and, I guess, didn't have enough security around him to make up for it.
Anyway, enough about this; I'm sorry the guy's dead and it's a sad day for the NFL/fans.
Dude,
That is such wild and unnecessary speculation and frankly, stereotyping. Because he was young, black, rich he must have had members of his posse who wanted a piece. He grew up in a middle class family in a good neighborhood with a cop as a father. He wasnt a gangbanger that got lifted out by his athletic abilities. By all accounts it sounds as if Sean was a nice and humble young man. I really hope I am taking your post wrong.
It doesnt have to be a gangbanger or anything like that. Just a dude who maybe Sean used to hang out with and decided to stop hanging out with and lost it. 2 things dont make a lot of sense and seem to point to an irrational person.
1) Why break in and take nothing, but leave a knife in the bed?
2) Why shoot the groin?
It sounds like a person who wanted to hang out with Sean and didnt take rejection too well. It doesnt sound like the guy wanted to kill Sean because he wouldnt have been shooting at the lower region if he did. He just got unlucky.
I think its the same as the Conan case. I mean look at the priest who was arrested for stalking Conan O'Brian. I am pretty sure no one involved in that case was a gangbanger, but I am pretty sure the guy arrested was nuts and might have hurt Conan if Conan would have told him he didnt want to hang out.
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Does every thread on 2p2 have to be derailed by complete and total idiocy?
well, given that the vast majority of posters are complete and total idiots, yes.
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I didn't realize professional hitmen missed on 50% of their shots and went for the groin/thigh area.
This is a sad moment, because all evidence points to Sean Taylor having really grown up and matured over the last year or so, and had gone far from the knucklehead days of his earliest NFL career.
But there is no evidence pointing to a "professional hit" at all, and no evidence contradicting anything the girlfriend is reported to have said, and any wild ass speculation is, at this point, complete and total conjecture.
I don't think a professional hitman was necessarily involved. In fact, it's much more likely to be people he knew, maybe an old member of his posse before he actually grew up. Some of those guys don't take rejection lightly.
The fact is that when somebody breaks into your house, takes nothing or at least not much ("rifling through drawers"? meh) and leaves a knife on the bed, we aren't talking about a robbery. The guy coming back and shooting him is just confirmation at this point - he likely already knew he was in some serious trouble. If anything, the sad part is that because he was already on probation for gun charges, he couldn't really defend himself and, I guess, didn't have enough security around him to make up for it.
Anyway, enough about this; I'm sorry the guy's dead and it's a sad day for the NFL/fans.
Dude,
That is such wild and unnecessary speculation and frankly, stereotyping. Because he was young, black, rich he must have had members of his posse who wanted a piece. He grew up in a middle class family in a good neighborhood with a cop as a father. He wasnt a gangbanger that got lifted out by his athletic abilities. By all accounts it sounds as if Sean was a nice and humble young man. I really hope I am taking your post wrong.
From the Miami Herald story:
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Taylor's cousin, Florida State University safety Anthony Leon, said Taylor was trying to shed some troublemaking friends he had grown up with. Leon, who said he spent his morning crying and praying in his dorm room, said Taylor had ``started to calm down.''
''He's been trying to stay away from bad company -- especially for his daughter's sake,'' Leon said. ``Sean wasn't a bad guy at all. He's got his personality on the football field and off it. All he was trying to do was protect his family. And they shot him.''
So we can maybe say he wasn't always hanging out with the best crowd?
Adanthar didn't say anything about race or gangbanging. Read the [censored] post before you go throw out accusations like that.
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Rome: "ultimately, your lifestyle becomes your deathstyle"
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Rome: "ultimately, your lifestyle becomes your deathstyle"
that guy is a [censored] douchebag, and has been for years. i have always found him to be an obnoxious prick. ever since he called Jim Everett "Chris", it has been clear he is just a jackass.
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11/27/07 04:58 PM
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wow, what a [censored] tool if he said that...i don't think he's as much a douche as others have said him to be, but wow
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11/27/07 05:34 PM
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Dude,
That is such wild and unnecessary speculation and frankly, stereotyping. Because he was young, black, rich he must have had members of his posse who wanted a piece. He grew up in a middle class family in a good neighborhood with a cop as a father. He wasnt a gangbanger that got lifted out by his athletic abilities. By all accounts it sounds as if Sean was a nice and humble young man. I really hope I am taking your post wrong.
Explain the breaking in and leaving the knife. What the [censored] is up with that? Also, from what a fair number of people who are more connected to Taylor than us have said or implied, I don't think it's just stereotyping. It's also not like growing up middle class in a good neighborhood with a cop as a father precludes you from falling in with bad dudes once you get a little older, more famous and a lot richer. Even if he was involved with questionable guys, it's not like it means you can't feel bad for him getting shot.
I think adanthar's comments are right on. For those of you saying "hitmen wouldn't shoot the leg," imagine if instead they were just trying to injure his livelihood, which seems very plausible to me.
EDIT: I see Jorge10 mentioned a ton of this stuff upthread, sorry for the repeat.
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R.I.P Sean Taylor
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Haven't read the thread, just heard the news on ESPN. This is really sad, he was only 24 too. My prayers are with his family and friends right now.
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Jurollo
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11/27/07 06:23 PM
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That is such wild and unnecessary speculation and frankly, stereotyping. Because he was young, black, rich he must have had members of his posse who wanted a piece. He grew up in a middle class family in a good neighborhood with a cop as a father. He wasnt a gangbanger that got lifted out by his athletic abilities. By all accounts it sounds as if Sean was a nice and humble young man. I really hope I am taking your post wrong.
Explain the breaking in and leaving the knife. What the [censored] is up with that? Also, from what a fair number of people who are more connected to Taylor than us have said or implied, I don't think it's just stereotyping. It's also not like growing up middle class in a good neighborhood with a cop as a father precludes you from falling in with bad dudes once you get a little older, more famous and a lot richer. Even if he was involved with questionable guys, it's not like it means you can't feel bad for him getting shot.
I think adanthar's comments are right on. For those of you saying "hitmen wouldn't shoot the leg," imagine if instead they were just trying to injure his livelihood, which seems very plausible to me.
EDIT: I see Jorge10 mentioned a ton of this stuff upthread, sorry for the repeat.
I talked to adanthar on im, i misunderstood him.
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hasgdakjgdshasd ESPN
Rome: "ultimately, your lifestyle becomes your deathstyle"
VERY blunt, too soon, but ultimately true. Some times the truth can be harsh. Sad event nontheless.
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Couldn't it be that someone broke in planning on robbing them and then freaked and ran after shooting him?
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but apparently Taylor likes spitting on people.
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Couldn't it be that someone broke in planning on robbing them and then freaked and ran after shooting him?
Of course its possible, but cutting phone lines and not stealing anything and clearly being willing to shoot on first chance add up to a probable assassination. That is all that I said but apparently that really upset people. Taylor's family also has said that they think it was an intentional attempt to hurt/kill Taylor. I dont understand why people are arguing against this, we obviously know that it might not be the case, you dont need to write it out.
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here? It may have not come the way he wanted it to or in the context he meant it, but I understood completely and the only thing I got out of it is "There is more to the media misperception of him as a bad guy than just the gun incident". As I read it, the comment was why the some in the media felt the way they did.
Fair or unfair, but spitting incidents will always follow someone whether it be Robbie Alomar or Bill Romanowski and also look like a vile act, regardless of how great a person is otherwise.
RIP, very sad for the family.
Bingo.
Not that I expect most of the simpletons that read this site and engage in the usual hysterical moaning when horrible stuff like this happens to be able to understand that.
Wow, this post is almost as bad as your first one imo. We all say stupid things from time to time, myself included.
But regardless of whether or not you think your comment out of line, its clear to you that you offended a lot of people who are grieving right now. You then had the choice of either just apologizing and making things right or defending yourself. You not only chose the latter, but you also deemed it necessary to insult those who were offended.
Theres a time and place for these things man. I'm probably like you in that I'm not too emotional and usually rely upon my logical side rather than my emotional side. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have respect for the majority who are more emotional. If someone you loved died of a heart attack, do you think it'd be ok for my first PUBLIC response to be "Well, he did eat a lot of junk food"?
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I've heard on local DC news that the phone lines were not cut, but rather the phones were not working and had not been working before the murder occurred. This is according to Taylor's attorney Richard Sharpstein.
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This makes me sick.
I have never really gotten upset about a 2+2 post before, but Dids you are so far out of line here its unbelievable. I think you should be permabanned for that comment.
Am I the only one who understands what Dids was trying to say here? It may have not come the way he wanted it to or in the context he meant it, but I understood completely and the only thing I got out of it is "There is more to the media misperception of him as a bad guy than just the gun incident". As I read it, the comment was why the some in the media felt the way they did.
Fair or unfair, but spitting incidents will always follow someone whether it be Robbie Alomar or Bill Romanowski and also look like a vile act, regardless of how great a person is otherwise.
RIP, very sad for the family.
Bingo.
Not that I expect most of the simpletons that read this site and engage in the usual hysterical moaning when horrible stuff like this happens to be able to understand that.
Wow, this post is almost as bad as your first one imo. We all say stupid things from time to time, myself included.
But regardless of whether or not you think your comment out of line, its clear to you that you offended a lot of people who are grieving right now. You then had the choice of either just apologizing and making things right or defending yourself. You not only chose the latter, but you also deemed it necessary to insult those who were offended.
Theres a time and place for these things man. I'm probably like you in that I'm not too emotional and usually rely upon my logical side rather than my emotional side. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have respect for the majority who are more emotional. If someone you loved died of a heart attack, do you think it'd be ok for my first PUBLIC response to be "Well, he did eat a lot of junk food"?
Wow, Assani's so upset that the countdown ended. Apparently, it was minutes left before Assani got pissy at Dids.
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its sad how little wrong a black man has to do to be considered some sort of thug/gangster, etc. dude was from a middle class family and his dad is a police chief. he had one run in with someone who he thought had stolen his property and so many people are quick to think he must have brought it upon himself when he's gunned down in his own house
so friggin true. The ESPN column about Taylor "turning his life around" is a complete joke/insult.
Theres a lot of factors as to why he was viewed this way. First off, obviously he made some mistakes when he was younger. I think its tough to critisize someone who is young and has a ton of money and fame though. We all make mistakes when we're young.
Secondly, I'm sure race was/is an issue.
Third, the fact that he never talked to the media and was generall quiet off the field isn't going to help.
Fourth, the image of Miami football program("thug U") I'm sure didn't help.
Fifth, although unfair, people will see his on field destruction and huge hits and assume things solely based upon that despite how stupid that may be.
In the end, I'm sure he was far from perfect. But I can't get over how unfair it is for someone to not get a chance to "become an adult" and grow and learn from their mistakes. I'm reminded of someone like Steve Smith of the Panthers who had a similar reputation coming into the league and has really turned into a fine role model. And as I said earlier, its really unfair for us to judge his past as we have no clue how we'd react if we were suddenly young, rich, and famous with seemingly the world at our feet.
Reading the quotes from many of his teamates and friends is very saddening....
Pete Kendall
"The thing that stood out to me about Sean was after our first game here, the home opener against the Dolphins, we were in the player's parking lot afterwards and I have three young kids and my two boys are big football fans and they were really struck and impressed with Sean Taylor and to actually meet him. Sean actually spent some time [with them]. He didn't just sign a book and send them on their way, but talked to them. As a father that stood out to me. That made probably the biggest impact on me. "
Jason Campbell
"If you just look at him from the way that he's changed in the last year, it's just been outstanding to have the opportunity to spend time with him because he's just a special person.
Jeremy Shockey
"He was kind of a wild child, like myself, but life changed for Sean after he had his baby girl. Fatherhood really changed him. He grew up and matured. That baby (daughter Jackie) had transformed his life. Working out with him during the offseason, I witnessed a change. You could see it like night and day. I feel so bad for the family."
Sinorice Moss
"It's a tough time for me right now. Sean was really like a brother to me. We were classmates and teammates and UM and he was a guy that just loved football and loved being around his friends. I feel for his family. I know his dad real well, and I feel for his baby girl. He was so proud of his little girls, and it's just so sad that he's no longer here and won't be able to see her grow up. The whole UM family is hurting right now."
Joel Rodriguez
'It's strange,'' said Joel Rodriguez, who played with Taylor at UM for three seasons and last saw Taylor in February before the Pro Bowl. ``For being as visible and flamboyant a player as he is on the field, he is very reserved and soft-spoken off it. It's not what you'd expect from a guy with that type of talent and mean streak.
``He is very, very quiet and very much one of the guys who blended into the framework of the team. He never tried to dominate the locker room. He was friendly, a good teammate. He never missed practice, showed up on time, went to class.''
Buck Ortega
''I don't have a clue what happened,'' said Ortega, who packed his bags to go to New Orleans and hurried from his home in Delray Beach to stop at Jackson Memorial before he left. ``He was a great roommate and a great friend. He was respectful, no problems at all. We used to fish together, play video games, ride around and go out to eat. He's a quiet kid, never went around bragging.''
Richard Sharpstein
''My two daughters were cheerleaders there,'' Sharpstein said. ``Sean was a mild-mannered, soft-spoken, polite, pleasant, wonderful kid. When parents were around and we'd be raising money through bake sales or whatever, Sean was always helpful. He was not what you'd think of as some egocentric athlete. I've represented some athletes with big heads. They think the world owes them everything. This is not Sean.''
Clinton Portis
"It's hard to expect a man to grow up overnight," said Redskins teammate and close friend Clinton Portis, who also played with Taylor at the University of Miami. "But ever since he had his child, it was like a new Sean, and everybody around here knew it. He was always smiling, always happy, always talking about his child."
James Thrash
"From the first day I met him, from then to now, it's just like night and day," Redskins receiver James Thrash said. "He's really got his head on his shoulders and has been doing really well as far as just being a man. It's been awesome to see that growth."."
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I'm going to the game on Sunday....should be a very emotional day. Sean Taylor is on my season ticket for this game.
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I'm going to the game on Sunday....should be a very emotional day. Sean Taylor is on my season ticket for this game.
I read it on the extremeskins message board they said he said it during a comcast interview over the phone
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Someone made this douche a mod?
that's just Dids! You don't get his sense of humor.
Of course, neither do I. Maybe he's just a douche.
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I mean the thing here is its just this cycle of dids doing something moronic, a bunch of people say its moronic, then he calls ALL of those people stupid/whatever else he feels like using in an attempt to completely deflect the blame. Then he goes "oh man, remember that time you did something moronic? that totally precludes you from calling the moronic thing i just said exactly what it is". The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
This is exactly what it is. The conversation basically went like this:
Dids: Bad comment about a guy who was likely about to die
Everyone: Thats very insensitive at this time.
Dids: You idiots! Can't you see that I'm not emotional like you and since this is the internet you simpletons should be ok with me saying that?!
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"You can't be scared of death," Taylor said. "When that times comes, it comes. I've been blessed. God looked out for me. I'm happy."
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/2007/11/taylor_didnt_fear_death_david.html
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or Dids was a little less proud, it wouldn't be anything.
I mean the thing here is its just this cycle of dids doing something moronic, a bunch of people say its moronic, then he calls ALL of those people stupid/whatever else he feels like using in an attempt to completely deflect the blame. Then he goes "oh man, remember that time you did something moronic? that totally precludes you from calling the moronic thing i just said exactly what it is". The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
This is exactly what it is. The conversation basically went like this:
Dids: Bad comment about a guy who was likely about to die
Everyone: Thats very insensitive at this time.
Dids: You idiots! Can't you see that I'm not emotional like you and since this is the internet you simpletons should be ok with me saying that?!
I'm so glad a dozen other level headed people came in and pointed this out. I was almost convinced I was wrong...
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or Dids was a little less proud, it wouldn't be anything.
I mean the thing here is its just this cycle of dids doing something moronic, a bunch of people say its moronic, then he calls ALL of those people stupid/whatever else he feels like using in an attempt to completely deflect the blame. Then he goes "oh man, remember that time you did something moronic? that totally precludes you from calling the moronic thing i just said exactly what it is". The fact that he acts like this every single time he does something stupid is just like "ugh i give up, jesus christ get some [censored] self awareness".
This is exactly what it is. The conversation basically went like this:
Dids: Bad comment about a guy who was likely about to die
Everyone: Thats very insensitive at this time.
Dids: You idiots! Can't you see that I'm not emotional like you and since this is the internet you simpletons should be ok with me saying that?!
I know I won't articulate this well, but I guess two important questions are (1) what is the role and expectations of a 2+2 moderator within his/her forum, and (2) what is the role and expectations of a moderator outside of his/her forum.
I think all 2+2 posters have a responsibility for certain posting protocols, but I would suggest (or at least I believe) that there is probably a higher expectation for moderators to consider the nature, weight, influence, and impact of the comments they make and the positions they take.
I am not going to pass judgement on Dids or any mod, but perhaps there comes point when one needs to recognize that perhaps he/she has become more of a focal point in the thread than the thread topic itself, and that it would be time to throttle back in the interest and spirit of "moderating" the discussion.
As for Sean Taylor, I am sorry for his family, friends and loved ones, and I hope for a day where gun violence in the US can somehow be addressed seriously as a national issue of concern.
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11/27/07 10:27 PM
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as a target of Dids', I now just assume that any thread he enters is assured of derailing and obnoxious, insensitive postings. The guy is just INCAPABLE of expressing empathy, but I don't really find his posts here that egregious- maybe because I'm so used to them (?).
But yeah, I agree that there needs to be some sort of discussion about mod protocol. Most of the other mods are usually cognizant of their dual roles as poster- mods though, and they do a great job of walking that fine line.
Someone mentioned his girlfriend's "connections"; apparently she's the niece of Andy Garcia. I can't see how that is relevent in any way, except for an fyi.
RIP Sean Taylor.
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11/27/07 10:33 PM
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I don't frequent Did's forums, I barely knew who he was, so as an outsider it seemed like his first comment's reaction was much to do about nothing and more that people don't like him.
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i hope these dirty bums get caught and get put away for a long time
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This is horrible.
RIP.
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I hope for a day where gun violence in the US can somehow be addressed seriously as a national issue of concern.
If Sean Taylor had been allowed to own a gun this possibly would have gone down differently. Extensive gun control doesn't stop any dedicated criminal from getting a weapon, and if you think otherwise you are wrong.
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11/28/07 01:37 AM
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Please to not be forcing this thread into politics. K thx.
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If Sean Taylor had been allowed to own a gun this possibly would have gone down differently. Extensive gun control doesn't stop any dedicated criminal from getting a weapon, and if you think otherwise you are wrong.
**Paging Midge to the thread**
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RIP Sean Taylor.
This has really bothered me more than normal today when I hear stuff on the news like this. I'm a huge NFL fan, just thinking how I would feel if this happened to someone on the Browns.(Not that I don;t feel bad about someone on another team) I wouldn't be able to handle it. It's things like this that make me not understand the world....
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Hypothetical question:
If the football player who was wasn't a starter or elite player like Sean Taylor, would we be just as sad and have a thread this long about it?
I really don't think so.
As for Jim Rome's comments, yeah ultra-mega douche. Although his comment is generally true when isolated, it doesn't apply to Sean Taylor because he didn't live a dangerous gangster lifestyle. He was just the victim of somebody who was of what he had both in terms of football talent and financial status.
I don't even want to hear what Skip Bayless had to say.
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If the football player who was wasn't a starter or elite player like Sean Taylor, would we be just as sad and have a thread this long about it?
How much attention did Darrent Williams get in January? I wasn't active in the forums then so I don't know, but that is probably a valid comparison.
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11/28/07 02:58 AM
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If the football player who was wasn't a starter or elite player like Sean Taylor, would we be just as sad and have a thread this long about it?
How much attention did Darrent Williams get in January? I wasn't active in the forums then so I don't know, but that is probably a valid comparison.
Clearly less than this. It's just human nature, if you see someone get hurt or someone you like gets hurt, you care more.
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11/28/07 03:14 AM
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apparently clinton is wearing #21 on sunday and for the rest of the season
is it going to say Taylor or Portis on the back?
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If the football player who was wasn't a starter or elite player like Sean Taylor, would we be just as sad and have a thread this long about it?
I really don't think so.
Of course not. I don't see what the problem with this is - obviously a more talented player is going to create more resonance by his play.
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1/3 of this thread is about Dids comment though. If someone not so well-known as Dids had made that comment, would people be just as upset and the thread this long?
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Doesn't everyone remember the Kevin Everett thread?
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If the football player who was wasn't a starter or elite player like Sean Taylor, would we be just as sad and have a thread this long about it?
Is this wrong?
As a redskins fan I have watched Sean Taylor play many seasons and the excitement and skill level he brought to the game was very unique. In addition to the obvious heartbreaking tragedy of the murder, I will never get to see such a great young football player play again. Since I am a redskins and football fan in general, this is very sad for me.
I don't think it is right to guilt everybody into thinking they are bad people because they are bringing up the fact he was a great football player. We all are aware of how tragic murders are whether the victim is a famous football player or a random person. However, This is a sports forum, here we normally discuss great players more than bad players. I don't think we can be faulted for doing the same thing even in this situation.
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11/28/07 09:34 AM
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I really don't think so.
Of course not. I don't see what the problem with this is - obviously a more talented player is going to create more resonance by his play.
The problem is in the implication that someones worth as a human is dependent on their 40 time or their ability to lay huge hits. Or maybe the implication that our reaction and mourning and emotional response SHOULD be based on their worth as a human, since thats what we all parrot all day long, even though it isnt true and that not everyone is worth the same to us.
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11/28/07 09:37 AM
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If the football player who was wasn't a starter or elite player like Sean Taylor, would we be just as sad and have a thread this long about it?
Is this wrong?
As a redskins fan I have watched Sean Taylor play many seasons and the excitement and skill level he brought to the game was very unique. In addition to the obvious heartbreaking tragedy of the murder, I will never get to see such a great young football player play again. Since I am a redskins and football fan in general, this is very sad for me.
I don't think it is right to guilt everybody into thinking they are bad people because they are bringing up the fact he was a great football player. We all are aware of how tragic murders are whether the victim is a famous football player or a random person. However, This is a sports forum, here we normally discuss great players more than bad players. I don't think we can be faulted for doing the same thing even in this situation.
I guess the point is, can you be expected to seperate the "24 year old in the prime of his life died" aspect from the "Man I wont get to see a kickass football player any more" aspect of it. You wouldnt be all that broken up if he was just retiring, and you wouldnt be all that broken up if some random 24 yo got shot, but when you combine the two for some reason its a big deal. I'm not saying its wrong and I'm definitely not trying to make you feel bad about it or anything like that. However, it does put the lie to a bunch of platitudes and crap we claim to believe as a society.
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11/28/07 10:03 AM
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that there is probably a higher expectation for moderators to consider the nature, weight, influence, and impact of the comments they make and the positions they take.
This has never been the case. It's been talked about in the mod forum many times. There is no, and will never be, and expecation that mods conduct themselves different from other posters.
The mod stuff is a non-starter. If you want to bitch about me, bitch about me as a poster.
Also:
"Dids: Bad comment about a guy who was likely about to die"
Isn't the case in the least. How about "factual statement that wasn't flattering about the guy who was dying".
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If the football player who was wasn't a starter or elite player like Sean Taylor, would we be just as sad and have a thread this long about it?
Is this wrong?
As a redskins fan I have watched Sean Taylor play many seasons and the excitement and skill level he brought to the game was very unique. In addition to the obvious heartbreaking tragedy of the murder, I will never get to see such a great young football player play again. Since I am a redskins and football fan in general, this is very sad for me.
I don't think it is right to guilt everybody into thinking they are bad people because they are bringing up the fact he was a great football player. We all are aware of how tragic murders are whether the victim is a famous football player or a random person. However, This is a sports forum, here we normally discuss great players more than bad players. I don't think we can be faulted for doing the same thing even in this situation.
I guess the point is, can you be expected to seperate the "24 year old in the prime of his life died" aspect from the "Man I wont get to see a kickass football player any more" aspect of it. You wouldnt be all that broken up if he was just retiring, and you wouldnt be all that broken up if some random 24 yo got shot, but when you combine the two for some reason its a big deal. I'm not saying its wrong and I'm definitely not trying to make you feel bad about it or anything like that. However, it does put the lie to a bunch of platitudes and crap we claim to believe as a society.
vhawk,
I expect it more has to do with name recognition, and not his actual ability (even though they are closely related). If a player who sucked but was really famous died it would probably be the same way (David Eckstein?). I suppose it has to do with people connecting with these players, or at least hearing their name a lot, meaning their life is affected by this person, even a little bit.
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Did anyone else find the sportscenter coverage of this horrible? I watched SC yesterday at 6 and they spent the first 10 minutes of the show on Taylor and didn't do much more than show that he had some 'issues' on and off the field. As they listed all his 'problems' it seemed like there was an underlying suggestion that those problems caused his death. I thought that was particularly insulting. It really seemed like SC was sensationalizing on that aspect of his life to make a better story.
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I really don't think so.
Of course not. I don't see what the problem with this is - obviously a more talented player is going to create more resonance by his play.
The problem is in the implication that someones worth as a human is dependent on their 40 time or their ability to lay huge hits. Or maybe the implication that our reaction and mourning and emotional response SHOULD be based on their worth as a human, since thats what we all parrot all day long, even though it isnt true and that not everyone is worth the same to us.
I don't think this is true at all. We know who football players are because of their talent at a game. The more talented they are at that game, the more we see them play it, the more we feel like we know them. Its only natural to be more effected by the death of someone you know then someone you don't, no matter who they were as a person.
/edit oops, JOA beat me to this.
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This has never been the case. It's been talked about in the mod forum many times. There is no, and will never be, and expecation that mods conduct themselves different from other posters.
The mod stuff is a non-starter. If you want to bitch about me, bitch about me as a poster.
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"Dids: Bad comment about a guy who was likely about to die"
Isn't the case in the least. How about "factual statement that wasn't flattering about the guy who was dying".
You really should stop.
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Couldn't it be that someone broke in planning on robbing them and then freaked and ran after shooting him?
Of course its possible, but cutting phone lines and not stealing anything and clearly being willing to shoot on first chance add up to a probable assassination. That is all that I said but apparently that really upset people. Taylor's family also has said that they think it was an intentional attempt to hurt/kill Taylor. I dont understand why people are arguing against this, we obviously know that it might not be the case, you dont need to write it out.
If it was an "assassination" then why did the assassin only shoot him once, in the leg and then leave? I just don't see the point of jumping to a conclusion based on what little knowledge we have of what went down.
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If his goal was to make sure that Taylor´s career would be ruined it would make sense to shoot him once in his leg.
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"Dids: Bad comment about a guy who was likely about to die"
Isn't the case in the least. How about "factual statement that wasn't flattering about the guy who was dying".
Good point Dids, those two things are completely different. You win this argument. Congratulations.
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With all the stupid hijacks I'm really glad we haven't seen a "Young people die in Iraq and people in Africa are dying of AIDS everyday, why do we only care about celebrities" hijack.
This is was so weird because when I first heard he got shot, I thought it was like Joey Porter/ Antoine Walker, than I heard he flatlined twice and was crushed, than I heard he was going was responsive and assumed he was going to make it through when I woke up last morning it hit as hard as a strangers death could.
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This has never been the case. It's been talked about in the mod forum many times. There is no, and will never be, and expecation that mods conduct themselves different from other posters.
The mod stuff is a non-starter. If you want to bitch about me, bitch about me as a poster.
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"Dids: Bad comment about a guy who was likely about to die"
Isn't the case in the least. How about "factual statement that wasn't flattering about the guy who was dying".
Wow, so the mods got together and decided they shouldn't have to hold themselves to a higher standard than everyone else. That sort of seems like a flawed method of decision making. Obviously crappy posters like you who everyone always complains about are going to decide you shouldn't have to live up to certain standards... its meaningless. But I guess you are lucky for it.
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I really don't think so
Not football, but baseball middle-of-the-road pitcher Joe Kennedy just died at age 28 from yet to be explained (as far as I know) causes, and nobody seemed to care much at all.
Apparently good, 24 year old football player getting murdered is way more tragic than average 28 year old baseball player going naturally.*
*Again, I'm not up-to-speed on the details of Kennedy's death.
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Not football, but baseball middle-of-the-road pitcher Joe Kennedy just died at age 28 from yet to be explained (as far as I know) causes, and nobody seemed to care much at all.
Apparently good, 24 year old football player getting murdered is way more tragic than average 28 year old baseball player going naturally.*
*Again, I'm not up-to-speed on the details of Kennedy's death.
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See my post above. Joe Kennedy isn't exactly a household name. At least among houses with football fans in them, Sean Taylor is. Also, murdered in his home vs. died of natural causes makes the Taylor story more newsworthy.
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"Dids: Bad comment about a guy who was likely about to die"
Isn't the case in the least. How about "factual statement that wasn't flattering about the guy who was dying".
As someone who wasn't offended by your original comment, I'm really confused as to why you continue posting in this thread. Your comments are serving no good other than to piss off other posters. A lot of people took offense to what you said and further defending that won't change their minds and just makes you look like more of a douche. Restating your original post in an even worse fashion is only going to give you negative attention. If you weren't so hellbent on defending an insensitive comment people wouldn't hate you so much.
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If the football player who was wasn't a starter or elite player like Sean Taylor, would we be just as sad and have a thread this long about it?
I really don't think so
Not football, but baseball middle-of-the-road pitcher Joe Kennedy just died at age 28 from yet to be explained (as far as I know) causes, and nobody seemed to care much at all.
Apparently good, 24 year old football player getting murdered is way more tragic than average 28 year old baseball player going naturally.*
*Again, I'm not up-to-speed on the details of Kennedy's death.
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Going naturally at 28 is very tragic. How is it not? Getting murdered at basically the same age is, too, UNLESS the murder was triggered by misbehavior. Going out young naturally is never due to misbehavior, it's just bad luck with your genes. That is pretty tragic.
You could also argue that hanging with the bad crowd and being murdered is also a symptom of bad genetic make-up, but it's easier to "fix" than, say, a degenerative heart problem.
I'm not saying Taylor was murdered due to his own misbehavior, but that question may never be answered.
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It is completely unnecessary and, really, unacceptable for anyone to say anything other than how sad this is. Let's not be so inconsiderate, people. Some of the comments in this thread are mind-boggling.
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11/28/07 06:29 PM
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Didn't Joe Kennedy have an aneurysm?
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Front page of MSN.com says "Whitlock: 'Black KKK' claims another victim".
Discuss.
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His piece was very interesting IMO.
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His piece was very interesting IMO.
Yeah, I think a huge amount of what that guy says about the entire black community is nuts on. They need more leaders like him.
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Agree, good article. Pretty similar stuff said here http://www.nfl.com/videos by Deion Sanders and Jamie Duke.
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Whitlock recycles this piece over and over again whenever something like this happens. I don't disagree with his angle, but the issue is much more complicated than pretending it is all the black man's fault.
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Another thing that bugged me tonight from the sports media was Inside The NFL continually playing the 'Sean Taylor was a super shady guy' angle. After the whole this was a real tragedy phase wears off I'm afraid he's really going to get thrown under the bus.
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The only thing in the media that I have seen that is really bad is the ESPN bit that says his hit on Brian Mooreman tarnished the luster on his Probowl last year.
WTF. If Sean Taylor doesn't hit him its a first down, no in their right mind would bring that up as anything but positive.
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WTF. If Sean Taylor doesn't hit him its a first down, no in their right mind would bring that up as anything but positive.
Didn't mooreman run up to taylor and pat him on the back after the hit too? I mean, wtf? I thought football was a "man's game" and that was a completely clean hit
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WTF. If Sean Taylor doesn't hit him its a first down, no in their right mind would bring that up as anything but positive.
Rome's "your lifestyle determines your deathstyle" line was enough to make even Dids cringe.
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It is completely unnecessary and, really, unacceptable for anyone to say anything other than how sad this is. Let's not be so inconsiderate, people. Some of the comments in this thread are mind-boggling.
Why is it unacceptable to speculate as to *why* this happened?
Unless someone here knew Taylor personally, nobody who is posting has the slightest idea what kind of person he was. IMO who he was lies in the spectrum ranging from "Great guy" to "dirtbag" and I have precisely zero evidence of where to place him in that spectrum.
Millions of other people died that same day. Many of them were young and also had families.
"Never until the mankind making
Bird beast and flower
Fathering and all humbling darkness
Tells with silence the last light breaking
And the still hour
Is come of the sea tumbling in harness
And I must enter again the round
Zion of the water bead
And the synagogue of the ear of corn
Shall I let pray the shadow of a sound
Or sow my salt seed
In the least valley of sackcloth to mourn
The majesty and burning of the child's death.
I shall not murder
The mankind of her going with a grave truth
Nor blaspheme down the stations of the breath
With any further
Elegy of innocence and youth.
Deep with the first dead lies London's daughter,
Robed in the long friends,
The grains beyond age, the dark veins of her mother,
Secret by the unmourning water
Of the riding Thames.
After the first death, there is no other."
- "A Refusal to Mourn the Death, by Fire, of a Child in London" - Dylan Thomas
As Thomas suggests, falling all over ourselves to mourn here is nothing more than self-gratification.
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Why is it unacceptable to speculate as to *why* this happened?
Unless someone here knew Taylor personally, nobody who is posting has the slightest idea what kind of person he was. IMO who he was lies in the spectrum ranging from "Great guy" to "dirtbag" and I have precisely zero evidence of where to place him in that spectrum.
The second paragraph applies to the first. The people in the media doing the speculating are generally asshats with degrees in sports journalism or something similarly worthless. Instead of Rachel Nichols pretending to be on CSI or Jim Rome playing the role of homicide detective, why not just leave it at "the investigation is ongoing" and show some respect for the deceased instead of speculating just for shock value.
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WTF. If Sean Taylor doesn't hit him its a first down, no in their right mind would bring that up as anything but positive.
Rome's "your lifestyle determines your deathstyle" line was enough to make even Dids cringe.
QTF.
Rome and Whitlock (who's bit here is predictable and tired) are idiots here. While I think people were probably a bit much in their praise of Taylor's character early on, trying to put any of the blame on him for this on him at this point is just stupid and insulting. From all reports it seems like Taylor might have been a guy who did some assholish things, but he's not gangbanger.
Seems like a part of this is just people generalizing Miami players. Which while unfair, is almost understandable given the image that the players in that program cultivated.
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His piece was very interesting IMO.
Yeah, I think a huge amount of what that guy says about the entire black community is nuts on. They need more leaders like him.
I've found Whitlock to be infinitely more insightful since he stopped writing for ESPN.
-McGee
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Why is it unacceptable to speculate as to *why* this happened?
Unless someone here knew Taylor personally, nobody who is posting has the slightest idea what kind of person he was. IMO who he was lies in the spectrum ranging from "Great guy" to "dirtbag" and I have precisely zero evidence of where to place him in that spectrum.
The second paragraph applies to the first. The people in the media doing the speculating are generally asshats with degrees in sports journalism or something similarly worthless. Instead of Rachel Nichols pretending to be on CSI or Jim Rome playing the role of homicide detective, why not just leave it at "the investigation is ongoing" and show some respect for the deceased instead of speculating just for shock value.
I hear you. But the truth is, all the true crime shows on TV these days makes everybody want to be a sleuth. I mean, look at the whole Drew Peterson case. Is the Today Show helping by acting like lead investigator?
That being said, it's human nature to ask "wtf happened?", and to speculate. That's one thing the media gets paid to do. Feed on and profit from human nature.
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lolol
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Seems like a part of this is just people generalizing Miami players. Which while unfair, is almost understandable given the image that the players in that program cultivated.
Except that all the media stories basically have exactly the same storyline as the quotes from his friends/coworkers. Basically "dude turned the corner and started walking straight once his daughter was born".
That ain't just the media, it's everyone in his life I've seen with an expansive quote. The problem is people who are trying to interpret what "started to walk straight" implies about his prior behavior.
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The second paragraph applies to the first. The people in the media doing the speculating are generally asshats with degrees in sports journalism or something similarly worthless. Instead of Rachel Nichols pretending to be on CSI or Jim Rome playing the role of homicide detective, why not just leave it at "the investigation is ongoing" and show some respect for the deceased instead of speculating just for shock value.
Their viewers are more interested in hearing about speculation than hearing them say "the investigation is ongoing". People were complaining earlier in the thread that this wasn't receiving enough coverage, which way do you guys want it?
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11/29/07 12:14 PM
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Why is it unacceptable to speculate as to *why* this happened?
Unless someone here knew Taylor personally, nobody who is posting has the slightest idea what kind of person he was. IMO who he was lies in the spectrum ranging from "Great guy" to "dirtbag" and I have precisely zero evidence of where to place him in that spectrum.
The second paragraph applies to the first. The people in the media doing the speculating are generally asshats with degrees in sports journalism or something similarly worthless. Instead of Rachel Nichols pretending to be on CSI or Jim Rome playing the role of homicide detective, why not just leave it at "the investigation is ongoing" and show some respect for the deceased instead of speculating just for shock value.
Excellent post.
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11/29/07 12:15 PM
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people want the media covering a story such as this one without putting their opinions on it.
simple.
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I personally dont know him. He was a great player and he loved the game. I did question some of his onfield antics like spitting in someones face. He got into a few legal problems but who hasnt. Regardless of if he is a gentleman or an asshat he didnt deserve to be murdered. The person who shot him had to be targeting him. First off you dont breakinto a home and just steal a knife and second you shoot him and leave when you realize he is home. He pissed off someone and someone aint talkin. I hope they catch the guy. On another note how many of us in todays day and time do not have a gun in there bedroom. I know if someone breaks in my house I go str8 for nightstand and go lookin. I hope they break in my room and as soon as he busts thru GG sir! Maybe Im worng but my family is safe and if I cant protect myself in my house then I need to kill myself!
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11/29/07 01:01 PM
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I'm not sure why pointing out the fact that this is probably not a purely random act of is disrespectful.
The person who murdered him was almost certainly connected to him at some point in some way.
That doesn't make the crime itself or Taylor himself any different, it's just how things probably are.
The media (particularly sports media) is pretty much all hype, speculation, and opinion anyway, so this is gonna be no different.
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WTF. If Sean Taylor doesn't hit him its a first down, no in their right mind would bring that up as anything but positive.
Rome's "your lifestyle determines your deathstyle" line was enough to make even Dids cringe.
Rome and Whitlock (who's bit here is predictable and tired) are idiots here. While I think people were probably a bit much in their praise of Taylor's character early on, trying to put any of the blame on him for this on him at this point is just stupid and insulting. From all reports it seems like Taylor might have been a guy who did some assholish things, but he's not gangbanger.
Seems like a part of this is just people generalizing Miami players. Which while unfair, is almost understandable given the image that the players in that program cultivated.
I have a feeling you're dead wrong on this one Dids. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/29/rolle.taylor.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
Rolle: Taylor was targeted
Ex-Miami teammate says friend lived in constant fear
TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) -- Still in disbelief of his childhood friend's shooting death, Arizona Cardinals cornerback Antrel Rolle vowed Wednesday to make sure Sean Taylor is remembered.
He added he did not believe the killing was part of a burglary gone sour, and that Taylor had many enemies on the streets of Miami.
"This was not the first incident," Rolle said. "They've been targeting him for three years now."
Rolle said many former "friends" had it in for Taylor, who was trying to build a more stable life.
"He really didn't say too much," Rolle said, "but I know he lived his life pretty much scared every day of his life when he was down in Miami because those people were targeting him. At least, he's got peace now."
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"There was so much surrounding him," Rolle said. "Everyone was talking about him bad, so he just had to distance himself from everyone and live a life of his own. ... Within the last year, I've never seen anyone make such a dramatic change,"
Withdrawing from a bad crowd isn't easy, though, Rolle said.
"They say it was a burglary. It absolutely was not a burglary," he said. "Down South, where we're from, there were many people targeting Sean, a lot of jealousy, a lot of angry people.
"Sean, he had a large group of friends, and he no longer hung out with those friends, so you never know where this came from."
<<< article goes on...>>>
What's really hard to understand is why he wouldn't just get the hell out of Miami? If you're living in constant fear, just move to a gated suburb in Virginia. Bring your whole extended family with if you need to. ESPECIALLY didn't he just have a break in 8 days prior? Was he trying to prove he was too much of a man to run?
I agree Whitlock is starting to sound repetitive on this black culture stuff. But he's literally the only one in the sports world, and the only fresh voice out there saying this. He's also not afraid to take on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and the shakedown-for-money way their groups operate. Personally I don't mind if Whitlock keeps hammering his message home. I think it's a good one.
It's sort of like the few voices inside Islamic culture that have the guts to rail against extremists hijacking their religion. As an outsider, you kinda want those guys to keep yelling their message, even if some are tired of hearing it.
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What's really hard to understand is why he wouldn't just get the hell out of Miami? If you're living in constant fear, just move to a gated suburb in Virginia. Bring your whole extended family with if you need to. ESPECIALLY didn't he just have a break in 8 days prior? Was he trying to prove he was too much of a man to run?
These are the questions I would really like to be answered.
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11/29/07 04:34 PM
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It's sort of like the few voices inside Islamic culture that have the guts to rail against extremists hijacking their religion
don't want to derail this thread at all but i found that pretty offensive. 99.99% of muslims are against the actions of these extremists. go to any mosque, or muslim rally and you will hear this for yourself. the problem is the american media doesn't put this stuff out there for you to see. i would not expect such an ignorant comment from you suzzer.
anyways, back to the thread i agree wtf was ST still doing living in MIA? bottom line is that mia is just not a safe area. and why is he not in those gated communities in miami where gloria estefan and shaq live? or somewhere gated in coconut grove? i just don't understand why someone so high profile with enemies would live in a expensive 'regular' neighborhood.
also, i remember when whitlock was first coming up and was writing for the ann arbor news covering the univ of mich and the fab 5. he has always been someone in imo who just wants to write controversial stories to get his name out their. he knows that since hes black he can get away with saying things that others can't. i personally don't like him, but some of his topics are interesting, but pretty much nothing is 'wow', like he wants people to think.
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11/29/07 04:40 PM
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don't want to derail this thread at all but i found that pretty offensive. 99.99% of muslims are against the actions of these extremists.
Maybe 99.99% of the muslims you know or the muslims in the US.
There are roughly 1 billion Muslims today, and .0001 of that is 100,000.
Are you really contending there are only ~100,000 Muslim extremists on the planet? That's barely enough to fill up 1 football stadium.
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11/29/07 04:41 PM
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lol. funny.
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11/29/07 04:48 PM
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I wasn't thinking of Muslims in the US. I was thinking about places like rural Pakistan where Bin Laden is still a hero. Or on the streets of Lebanon where the general public still seems to think 9-11 was an inside job. Granted I have very little first-hand knowledge of these places. But that's the impression I get.
I do know a few people who grew up in Muslim countries. They paint a fairly unpretty picture of racial intolerance, where someone might legitimately fear for their life to speak out against extremists.
Just wanted to clarify, not trying to start a pissing-derail.
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one of the reasons I am so sad is because he was such a unique player. I dont think there will ever be another player with his blend of charisma, athleticism, hard hitting ability, ball skills, and heart.
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11/29/07 06:52 PM
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"They say it was a burglary. It absolutely was not a burglary," he said. "Down South, where we're from, there were many people targeting Sean, a lot of jealousy, a lot of angry people.
"Sean, he had a large group of friends, and he no longer hung out with those friends, so you never know where this came from."
<<< article goes on...>>>
What's really hard to understand is why he wouldn't just get the hell out of Miami? If you're living in constant fear, just move to a gated suburb in Virginia. Bring your whole extended family with if you need to. ESPECIALLY didn't he just have a break in 8 days prior? Was he trying to prove he was too much of a man to run?
This is exactly what I was talking about in my post. Most people would have bought a gun, but he obviously couldn't do that. There's also a very simple reason he didn't move out - it's hard to get out of your house and make good security arrangements in the middle of an NFL season
I have a feeling we're gonna see 1-3 people get caught within a few weeks and they're gonna be his old 'friends' that he was trying to get away from. Sigh.
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one of the reasons I am so sad is because he was such a unique player. I dont think there will ever be another player with his blend of charisma, athleticism, hard hitting ability, ball skills, and heart.
QFMuthaFuckinTruth. That guy was like a wrecking ball, I loved how he just hurled his body at guys to make a tackle. 
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Man I'm a Giants fan and I liked the guy. Great player, cool guy. Genuinely sad about this
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11/30/07 05:35 AM
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Whitlock may come off as very douchey, but he says what needs to be said. He really shows courage by coming out and saying this, when no other black people have. The message simply needs to get out there or else crap like this will keep going on. It shouldn't just be Jason Whitlock spreading this message. Sean Taylor, Darrent Williams, and many young men are dying this way and it really is a shame.
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11/30/07 10:03 AM
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Whitlock may come off as very douchey, but he says what needs to be said. He really shows courage by coming out and saying this, when no other black people have. The message simply needs to get out there or else crap like this will keep going on. It shouldn't just be Jason Whitlock spreading this message. Sean Taylor, Darrent Williams, and many young men are dying this way and it really is a shame.
There's nothing brave about writing an ignorant article, especially when you've been writing the same one for years.
The only valid points Whitlock makes are so simple and obvious that they hardly warrent mentioning. The rest of his crap is just the same [censored] that we usually hear from 60 year old white people who are upset that they let black people use the same drinking fountains as we do.
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A very interesting article about the murder investigation from today's Washington Post can be found here.
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11/30/07 10:20 AM
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A very interesting article about the murder investigation from today's Washington Post can be found here.
Thanks for the link.
Cliff notes: Nobody has a [censored] clue what happened, but there's enough weird [censored] to make you kinda wonder. Mostly it underscores that trying to pretend we know anything only 3 days later is silly and pointless.
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If Antrel Rolle is right, does anyone else think he should worry a bit now about being next?
-McGee
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(save the cheerleader. save OOT.)
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11/30/07 12:35 PM
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I have a feeling these guys don't travel out of S. Florida much. Or go on cnn.com
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11/30/07 12:41 PM
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Whitlock may come off as very douchey, but he says what needs to be said. He really shows courage by coming out and saying this, when no other black people have. The message simply needs to get out there or else crap like this will keep going on. It shouldn't just be Jason Whitlock spreading this message. Sean Taylor, Darrent Williams, and many young men are dying this way and it really is a shame.
There's nothing brave about writing an ignorant article, especially when you've been writing the same one for years.
The only valid points Whitlock makes are so simple and obvious that they hardly warrent mentioning. The rest of his crap is just the same [censored] that we usually hear from 60 year old white people who are upset that they let black people use the same drinking fountains as we do.
Despite your efforts to hijack this thread, this doesn't seem like the proper place for a debate of Jason Whitlock's perspective. Suffice it to say, however, that you can't seriously be this stupid.
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I have a feeling these guys don't travel out of S. Florida much. Or go on cnn.com
Maybe not. I just think that if Rolle -- whose old crew is presumably comprised of some of the same people as Sean Taylor's old crew -- is convinced that those guys targeted and killed Taylor, he'd want to be careful about pissing them off himself.
-McGee
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Three men have been detained for questioning. Article here.
And Miami Herald article.
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suzzer99
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(save the cheerleader. save OOT.)
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11/30/07 01:32 PM
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Maybe not. I just think that if Rolle -- whose old crew is presumably comprised of some of the same people as Sean Taylor's old crew -- is convinced that those guys targeted and killed Taylor, he'd want to be careful about pissing them off himself.
-McGee
I'm going to take a wild guess it was more of a robbery gone bad than a vendetta. Still by people who knew him though. When they were there prior, they totally ransacked the place and even tore up the AC duct. Sounds like they thought he had some kind of big stash of cash or jewels, or maybe something else.
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Whitlock may come off as very douchey, but he says what needs to be said. He really shows courage by coming out and saying this, when no other black people have. The message simply needs to get out there or else crap like this will keep going on. It shouldn't just be Jason Whitlock spreading this message. Sean Taylor, Darrent Williams, and many young men are dying this way and it really is a shame.
There's nothing brave about writing an ignorant article, especially when you've been writing the same one for years.
The only valid points Whitlock makes are so simple and obvious that they hardly warrent mentioning. The rest of his crap is just the same [censored] that we usually hear from 60 year old white people who are upset that they let black people use the same drinking fountains as we do.
Despite your efforts to hijack this thread, this doesn't seem like the proper place for a debate of Jason Whitlock's perspective. Suffice it to say, however, that you can't seriously be this stupid.
Seems as good a place as any.
Explain why you think Whitlock's argument is anything but utter ignorance?
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I have a feeling these guys don't travel out of S. Florida much. Or go on cnn.com
Maybe not. I just think that if Rolle -- whose old crew is presumably comprised of some of the same people as Sean Taylor's old crew -- is convinced that those guys targeted and killed Taylor, he'd want to be careful about pissing them off himself.
-McGee
I'm going to take a wild guess it was more of a robbery gone bad than a vendetta. Still by people who knew him though. When they were there prior, they totally ransacked the place and even tore up the AC duct. Sounds like they thought he had some kind of big stash of cash or jewels, or maybe something else.
I'm not going to speculate on that. Just that if I was in Rolle's position and believed that, I wouldn't talk to the media about it.
-McGee
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He can be.
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It always seemed strange to me that Sean is spelled that way.
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Three men have been detained for questioning. Article here.
And Miami Herald article.
Apparently a fourth was brought in, and there is at least one confession
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3135855
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Police spokeswoman Linda O'Brien identified the men as: Venjah K. Hunte, 20; Eric Rivera Jr., 17; Jason Scott Mitchell, 17; and Charles Kendrick Lee Wardlow, 18. O'Brien said the charges for each had not yet been determined, but "we are talking murder and burglary."
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And Miami Herald article.
Apparently a fourth was brought in, and there is at least one confession
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3135855
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Police spokeswoman Linda O'Brien identified the men as: Venjah K. Hunte, 20; Eric Rivera Jr., 17; Jason Scott Mitchell, 17; and Charles Kendrick Lee Wardlow, 18. O'Brien said the charges for each had not yet been determined, but "we are talking murder and burglary."
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Just saw this on espn.com - wow.
1st - Is Florida still a death penalty state? It was when I lived there about 6 years ago, but I don't know if it still is.
2nd - I haven't brushed up on my death penalty law in a while, but can it be imposed on minors?
D
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I've been hoping that this is true, that he was not specifically targeted and killed b/c of who he is. But really it doesn't matter either way.
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11/30/07 09:59 PM
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I'm retarded - I can use google.
1 - Florida is a death penalty state, but -
2 - The Supreme Ct. abolished the DP on minors in 2005.
D
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Links?
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It always seemed strange to me that Sean is spelled that way.
Not sure if you are serious or not, but FYI it's a more common US spelling than Shawn, Shaun, or Shane. All are variants of "John."
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I might be wrong for this I hope these lil [censored] fry!
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It always seemed strange to me that Sean is spelled that way.
Not sure if you are serious or not, but FYI it's a more common US spelling than Shawn, Shaun, or Shane. All are variants of "John."
John is such a common name everywhere. Jack (ftw), Juan, Johan(nes), Hans(el), Giovanni, Sean, and Ivan are all derived.
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i just saw the myspaces of 3 of the suspects and it just makes me more mad
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Recent comment left to him
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DANG BR0 i CANT BELiEVE i JUST SAW Y0 FACE 0N DA NEWS.. DiS HAS G0T T0 BE DA CREEPEST [censored] EVA.. MAN WAT WAS Y0U THiNKiN..? WELL iMA STiLL RiDE FA YA BR0!
$TeeTee$ MY BR0 STiLL G0iN BL0W..
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12/01/07 12:59 AM
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I might be wrong for this I hope these lil [censored] fry!
I'll be damned, not a "Shawn", "Shaun", or "Shane" in the bunch. Well, it was just a theory anyways.
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I'm retarded - I can use google.
1 - Florida is a death penalty state, but -
2 - The Supreme Ct. abolished the DP on minors in 2005.
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I wouldn't think this to be a case eligible for the death penalty. Isn't that usually 1st degree murder, and based on the quotes from police, this obviously was not premeditated.
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12/01/07 10:17 AM
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I'm retarded - I can use google.
1 - Florida is a death penalty state, but -
2 - The Supreme Ct. abolished the DP on minors in 2005.
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I wouldn't think this to be a case eligible for the death penalty. Isn't that usually 1st degree murder, and based on the quotes from police, this obviously was not premeditated.
Premeditation not required here - Felony-murder statutes cover this one. The murder took place during a burglary.
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Felony Murder = if you are committing a felony and someone dies, its murder. All 4 are going to jail for life at a minimum, even if (for example) one just sat in the car and drove them away.
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Here's another comment left to him (the most recent one): MY BIG BRO DEF DIDNT DO THAT [censored] SO A MUCH NEED 2 GET OFF HIS TRAIL CUZ I DONT BALIEVE HE DID NONE OF THAT [censored] BRO A BITCH ALWAYZ GONE DO 4 U BUT THEY B THA MAIN 1S TURNIN DEY BACK ON YA WEN U GET BEHIND BARZ I LOVE U BRO
**FREE MY BRO C-DUB && ERIC RIVERA**
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Link to a myspace page of the one of the others is here.
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I saw this on PFT and found it interesting:
TAYLOR CASE MAKES NO SENSE TO US
We continue to ponder the comments of Miami-Dade Police Director Robert Parker regarding the murder of Sean Taylor. And we're more and more troubled by them.
"They were certainly not looking to go there and kill anyone," Parker said of the suspects. "They were expecting a residence that was not occupied. So murder or shooting someone was not their initial motive."
How do we know this? Are the police in Miami suddenly in the business of taking criminal defendants at their word? If that's the case, why no free every inmate in every jail in every state?
After all, they're all innocent. Just ask them.
In this case, what about the evidence that the phone lines were cut before the suspects entered? Some might think that the goal here was to disable any alarm system, but most alarm systems automatically are triggered if/when the phone lines are cut.
Parker, as several readers have observed, sounds more like a defense lawyer than a police officer. Why is Parker presuming that it was merely a robbery gone very bad?
We'll continue to monitor this one. For now, however, there's something about this one that smells bad to us.
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The above may be true, but it doesn't matter because of the felony murder doctrine. In other words, the defendants will gain nothing if it is concluded that they were expecting an empty house so it doesn't matter if the police take their word on that point as long as they admit to a felony (which they presumably did).
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The above may be true, but it doesn't matter because of the felony murder doctrine. In other words, the defendants will gain nothing if it is concluded that they were expecting an empty house so it doesn't matter if the police take their word on that point as long as they admit to a felony (which they presumably did).
I understand what you're saying but I think PFT was speaking more to the motive of the murderers (something I'm very interested in as well) and not the potential punishment they face.
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The above may be true, but it doesn't matter because of the felony murder doctrine. In other words, the defendants will gain nothing if it is concluded that they were expecting an empty house so it doesn't matter if the police take their word on that point as long as they admit to a felony (which they presumably did).
I understand what you're saying but I think PFT was speaking more to the motive of the murderers (something I'm very interested in as well) and not the potential punishment they face.
Oh, ok. One thing I haven't heard discussed WRT that is that the guys are all under 21. Sean was like 25, so it seems to me that it's unlikely that the killers were people he had known for a long time...you don't hang out with people 5-7 years younger when you are in high school.
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Oh, ok. One thing I haven't heard discussed WRT that is that the guys are all under 21. Sean was like 25, so it seems to me that it's unlikely that the killers were people he had known for a long time...you don't hang out with people 5-7 years younger when you are in high school.
Yeah I've been thinking that too. They don't sound like people who had grudges against him or used to associate w/ him b/c of their difference in age.
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Oh, ok. One thing I haven't heard discussed WRT that is that the guys are all under 21. Sean was like 25, so it seems to me that it's unlikely that the killers were people he had known for a long time...you don't hang out with people 5-7 years younger when you are in high school.
Two were supposedly connected to him, although it doesn't seem like they were really "friends"..
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The Miami Herald reported that Mitchell and Wardlow had connections to Taylor. Mitchell cut Taylor's lawn and did other chores at the house, Mitchell's twin brother, Scottie, told the paper. Taylor's sister, Sasha Johnson, dates Wardlow's older cousin Christopher, and Scottie Mitchell told the paper the couple invited Jason Mitchell to Johnson's birthday party within the past two months.
A woman who identified herself as Jason Mitchell's mother told the Naples Daily News her son was at a birthday party at Sean Taylor's home a couple months ago. She also said her son was at home all week and last weekend.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3136414
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BALLIN SON
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man those scrawny ass brothers are ugly as dog [censored]. What a bunch of bitches
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(STTF-USP Champion)
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12/02/07 03:30 AM
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The most disgusting thing about that picture is that one of these motherfers was paid by Taylor to cut his lawn. So those 20s are probably his.
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