potawatomi

[crazymoose]

I am a longtime infrequent poster who just moved to Milwaukee. I am planning on hitting up Potawatomi later today. Would be interested to meet other Milwaukee 2+2ers. I play 2-4 and 3-6.

[PkrNow]

You will love the Pot the 2/4 and 3/6 are very soft. Just make sure you call the poker room before you go to get on the list 1 hour waits are fairly common good luck and hope to see you around

[Fishwhenican]

Get their players club card too.
When you go to the poker room they will give you a beeper while you wait for your table so you can wander around at least instead of just waiting in the room.

[droopy0021]

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Get their players club card too.
When you go to the poker room they will give you a beeper while you wait for your table so you can wander around at least instead of just waiting in the room.

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Plus you earn $1/hour while playing that can be used to purchase items in the casino (food, event tickets). It's certainly not much, but the way I look at it: I'm going to be there anyway, why not get the comped meals?

[Tinga]

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Get their players club card too.
When you go to the poker room they will give you a beeper while you wait for your table so you can wander around at least instead of just waiting in the room.

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Plus you earn $1/hour while playing that can be used to purchase items in the casino (food, event tickets). It's certainly not much, but the way I look at it: I'm going to be there anyway, why not get the comped meals?

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Yup, don't forget to talk to the pit boss, and give him your Firekeepers card. He'll give you an orange sheet, and you hold onto it til you're done (and give it back).

I don't remember them having 3/6 last time I was there. Their 2/4 is UBER soft. Call stations galore. The only other limit that they have is 5/10, which is what I play, and have found it to be profitable from the past few times that I had been there.

I won't be up there today, but in the future sometime.

Have a good one.

[PkrNow]

They have only been spreading the 3/6 for maybe 2 months I think it is even softer then the 2/4 but you will find a few of the better players will sit down at the 3/6 that wouldnt have considered the 2/4.

[magoo]

That place will remain a "3/6" joint. Indian casinos in New York (Turningstone) and Connecticut (Foxwoods), operating first class poker rooms, while Potawatomi operates that dull crappy, small joint, in the rear of a FOOTBALL FIELD SIZE BINGO HALL. It is an insult to spend a dime on poker at Potawatomi. It's obvious they have spread poker only to the extent of "advertising" purposes. "Yeah, we have poker. Now bring the wife to play some bingo." That's a management discision. It's a Bingo joint.

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

Well, that, and there just isn't as much money in Milwaukee as there is near Turning Stone and Foxwoods.

[Tinga]

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They have only been spreading the 3/6 for maybe 2 months I think it is even softer then the 2/4 but you will find a few of the better players will sit down at the 3/6 that wouldnt have considered the 2/4.

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3/6 .. that's not my game, but it's news to me! Guess I haven't been there in a while.

[Kramer.]

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That place will remain a "3/6" joint. Indian casinos in New York (Turningstone) and Connecticut (Foxwoods), operating first class poker rooms, while Potawatomi operates that dull crappy, small joint, in the rear of a FOOTBALL FIELD SIZE BINGO HALL. It is an insult to spend a dime on poker at Potawatomi. It's obvious they have spread poker only to the extent of "advertising" purposes. "Yeah, we have poker. Now bring the wife to play some bingo." That's a management discision. It's a Bingo joint.

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I don't disagree that the Pot sucks, but it's more likely due to the legal issues with poker (and craps and roulette) in Wisconsin. If those issues ever get settled, there will be a major expansion of the whole casino, including the poker room.

[magoo]

What? Foxwoods doesn't exist because of the handful of people who live in Mystic. Wisconsin is a major midwest (driving) tourist destination..has been for years. Have you seen the traffic from Illinois going into Wisconsin? Some stop at Potawatomi, but most pass by it, because Potawatomi is just a Bingo hall.

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Well, that, and there just isn't as much money in Milwaukee as there is near Turning Stone and Foxwoods.

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[mblax10]

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Get their players club card too.
When you go to the poker room they will give you a beeper while you wait for your table so you can wander around at least instead of just waiting in the room.

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Plus you earn $1/hour while playing that can be used to purchase items in the casino (food, event tickets). It's certainly not much, but the way I look at it: I'm going to be there anyway, why not get the comped meals?

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When you have a card, they send you Bonus Play coupons you can cash in twice a month. My Bonus Play's are $15, but I don't play very often. I figure that's free money as well, pays for my gas. Don't have to play, just walk up to the main cashier to redeem.

[Fishwhenican]

Most FIBs pass by because their destination is further north than Milwaukee. They are also in a hurry to get to their destination, enjoy a day and a half out of Chicago and get back to the city by Sunday night! Doesn't leave much time to stop and play Poker.

[The Sly Dog]

Potawtomi isn't as bad as some people make it. Its not Vegas, but its great for a vetran player. Loose calls all day. 4-5 days a week they open a 1-5 7-card stud game. Thats where the fun is. All the old timers and little old ladies sit down and show you a thing or two. Overall its small, but you get alot of novice players who sit down with thier 40 bucks ready to sweetin the pot. Over all not too bad as long as you call ahead 1800paysbig, that gives you a hour to get there.

[iron81]

Plus we have better poker rooms in Northwest Indiana. And I know what FIB means.

[Fishwhenican]

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Plus we have better poker rooms in Northwest Indiana. And I know what FIB means.

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LOL, Sorry about the FIB thing /images/graemlins/wink.gif
Sometimes I just can't help myself /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[BradleyT]

So, how did you like it?

I'll probably go there tonight after bowling.

[magoo]

I'm not going near that lousy Potawatomi closet. I'll wait on this:

Kenosha casino proposal betting on Illinois gamblers

Published January 15, 2006


As Illinois officials weigh their next move in the seemingly endless drama over the remaining gambling license, a casino proposed for just 10 miles across the Wisconsin border is sailing steadily through the bureaucracy.

The $808 million Indian casino would be built at the Dairyland greyhound racetrack in Kenosha. It would have 3,100 slot machines and 75 table games, plus retain dog racing and simulcasts from other horse and dog tracks. A 5,000-seat theater and 400-room hotel are also on the drawing board.

It would be three times larger than Illinois casinos, which are restricted by state law from accommodating more than 1,200 gamblers at a time. Most have around 1,100 slot machines and 20 to 30 table games, such as blackjack or poker.

"It's ambitious, but we would never have embarked upon something of this magnitude if the numbers didn't support it," said Michael Chapman, chairman of Wisconsin's Menominee tribe, which is behind the project. "There's not much in between Milwaukee and Chicago, and this will fill that void."

For years, Waukegan has wanted to change that, bidding $520 million in a partnership with Harrah's for the chance to build and run the state's 10th casino. Despite its competitive bid and location, however, Waukegan was never the frontrunner for the license. In 2004, the Illinois Gaming Board chose Rosemont instead. Since then, the decision has been mired in court.

No one knows how much revenue a Kenosha casino would siphon from Illinois, but a financial analysis prepared for the Menominee by PricewaterhouseCoopers says the facility "is expected ... to draw significant levels of spending from Illinois residents."

Plan could impact Waukegan

If a casino were built quickly, the report adds, it would reduce the chance of a casino being located in Waukegan, thus "preserving a greater amount of potential positive economic impacts for the State of Wisconsin and the Kenosha area."

Waukegan Mayor Richard Hyde, who has fought hard to win the remaining Illinois gaming license for his city, said he was not worried about the competition a Kenosha casino might present.

"Not one bit," Hyde said, even though Dairyland is a 20-minute drive from the former Lakehurst Mall site where Waukegan hopes to build its gambling palace.

Hyde predicted that if Waukegan got the state's 10th casino license, Kenosha would not open its casino. But if Waukegan's bid is rejected again, "one will be built in Kenosha," Hyde said, "and Illinois will get screwed out of all that money they could make."

The federal Bureau of Indian Affairs is expected to rule on the Menominee application by the end of the year, said agency official Michael Skibine. It would then go to Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, who has the final word but has not said whether he would OK the project.

Illinois officials had little to say about the Kenosha project and what effect it might have on the awarding of the state's last casino license.

A spokeswoman for Gov. Rod Blagojevich could not provide a comment, and a spokesman for the Illinois Gaming Board said it would be premature to speculate on the effect nearby competition would have on the 10th license, because the license was likely to be hung up in court for years. The license was awarded to Rosemont but then withdrawn, prompting multiple lawsuits.

Tom Swoik, executive director of the Illinois Casino Gaming Association, predicted a Kenosha casino would have a "negative impact" on Illinois gambling houses. "We're talking about a very large casino just across the border," Swoik said. "On weekends [at casinos] in Aurora and Elgin it gets pretty full, and if they can't get in, people will just go up there."

The Menominee are an 8,000-member tribe with a reservation in northeast Wisconsin. They are among the state's poorest tribes, with a median family income of $26,000 and 32 percent of families living below the poverty line, the tribe says.

The Kenosha project, which has been in the works for nearly a decade, was designed to change that, but it has been a long road. There are only a handful of off-reservation Indian casinos in the country, and the process of getting one is lengthy and controversial.

Wisconsin plan faces hurdles

The project faces other potential roadblocks, including a court fight over Indian gambling in Wisconsin.

Despite cutting a $40 million deal to sell the site to the Menominee, Dairyland's owners are hedging their bets by suing the state, arguing that Native American casinos are unconstitutional, with the hope that the track will be able to install its own gambling machines, said Roy Berger, the track's executive vice president. Their case is expected to be heard by the state's top court in the coming months.

However, the Menominee have already crossed many hurdles and are optimistic a casino could be built in the next year or two. They have partnered with the Mohegans, a Connecticut tribe that runs a huge casino in that state, and a Kenosha businessman, Dennis Troha.

Kenosha and Kenosha County voters already have approved the project in referendums, a critical step in getting land transferred into an Indian trust through the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Without that transfer, there can be no casino.

Final approval of the land into trust agreement and the casino itself would fall to Doyle, who controls all Indian gaming deals in the state.

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Proposed Wisconsin casino could upstage Illinois gambling

An $808 million Indian casino proposed for Kenosha would be 66,000 square feet larger than Illinois' biggest casino and include gaming, dog tracks, a theater and a hotel.


Name Table Slot Revenue Square feet games machines 1. Kenosha Casino 75 3,100 $420 million* 116,000 ILLINOIS CASINOS In 2004 2. Joliet-Empress 26 1,182 $228.1 million 50,000 3. Aurora-Hollywood 29 1,162 $229.5 million 41,384 4. Joliet-Harrah's 19 1,210 $272.3 million 39,000 5. Elgin Grand Victoria 42 1,073 $400.5 million 29,850 6. Metropolis-Harrah's 24 1,181 $142.9 million 29,760 7. E. St. Louis Casino Queen 34 1,123 $166.3 million 27,500 8. E. Peoria Par-A-Dice 21 1,176 $132.6 million 26,116 9. Alton Belle 20 1,069 $107.3 million 23,000 10. Casino Rock Island 12 732 $38.3 million 17,200 Sources: Illinois Gaming Board, Kenosha Casino *PricewaterhouseCoopers estimate Chicago Tribune

[Nuevo99]

Good for you. This is going to take years.

Im not sure where you are from but the problem for many is they want to play live poker and the Potty is the only place near by at the moment. (unless they want to drive 2 hours or more which will eat 4-5 hours out of their day)

So I think if you live close to the Potty and you really want to play live poker, you're just going to have to suck it up and go there for now. The games are loose as hell so if you are a good player you might make some money while you are at it as well. (unless you have to wait 5 hours for a table, then you might as well stayed at home and played online)

They probally are near the bottom if you compare them to most other live pokerrooms, but unless you want to waste 5+ hours out of your day driving, it's not a real comparison.

(even Kenosha is far enough away that it's a slight hassle if you live in Milwaukee, but you figure they will probally steal a lot of the players from the Potty anyway)

[Benny Foldem]

I have a love/hate relationship with poto...

[magoo]

You are correct and I do as you suggest. I cann't play in environments I dislike....I go on tilt. So yes, I DO DRIVE for hours to play poker, when I'm up to it. I don't play cards "for a living" and I won't enter Potawatomi.


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Good for you. This is going to take years.

Im not sure where you are from but the problem for many is they want to play live poker and the Potty is the only place near by at the moment. (unless they want to drive 2 hours or more which will eat 4-5 hours out of their day)

So I think if you live close to the Potty and you really want to play live poker, you're just going to have to suck it up and go there for now. The games are loose as hell so if you are a good player you might make some money while you are at it as well. (unless you have to wait 5 hours for a table, then you might as well stayed at home and played online)

They probally are near the bottom if you compare them to most other live pokerrooms, but unless you want to waste 5+ hours out of your day driving, it's not a real comparison.

(even Kenosha is far enough away that it's a slight hassle if you live in Milwaukee, but you figure they will probally steal a lot of the players from the Potty anyway)

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[Nuevo99]

Again, good for you!

You are definately on the minority on this. (not on the fact that the Potty is less than desirable, but on the driving for hours thing)

I dont play for a living either, that's even more reason Im not going to waste my time driving when I could be playing.

But I am a patient well adusted person who doesnt go on tilt because "things bother me", so my profitability isnt affected.

And that's the rub,if someone just has fun because they are winning and they arent fussy they will have a good time there, it's not worth wasting time driving elsewhere.

But if they are a weak person who gets upset, goes on tilt and dumps all of their cash because they cant control themselves then maybe they should drive elsewhere (or stick to online poker).

Unless of course they are playing NL, that might be a bit diffrent because one bad decision could lose you thousands of dollars (it's happened to a friend of mine before), but if you are just playing limit and especially 2/4 or 3/6 where most of the players are BAD, a bad decision here or there isnt going to really affect you all that much.

[BradleyT]

I'll go up to Green Bay maybe once every 3 - 4 months but Potty is 2 miles from work or 4 miles from my house. The games are too good locally to waste 4 hours driving up (and back) to GB.


Magoo, where do you go to play?

[crazymoose]

Yeah I liked it.. Loose players as far as the eye could see. Usually me and one or two other semi-good players and the rest donks. Increases the swings, but I will definitely be going back.

[Nuevo99]

I think he's camped out in the Dairyland Greyhound Park waiting for the Menomonee Casino to open.