DonkNitUP
04-15-2006, 09:42 PM
1. Our senses deceive us. I think this is pretty obvious. Therefore anything we learned and "know" especially from someone else could actually be false. When it comes to the Bible (or any other religious book), we weren't around back then. I am pretty sure God didnt WRITE the Bible, and even if he did, how many times have it gotten passed down, translated into other languages and everything else. Over the years the church has been corrupted. I am no history major thats for sure, but what happened to the Bible when it got translated to English? I mean King James was a King, Ive heard speculations that there are alot of things he could have added/deleted. What about people that could buy pardons in Old England and could kill people because you go to heaven by wealth not by faith. Ah yes, it was Martin Luther (among others im sure) who said you go to heaven by faith not by wealth. Things finally changed in the church to allow "faith" go to heaven. What happened to all the people before this time period? The people who thought they were going to heaven because of wealth? THe people who were good going to hell because of them being poor?! We wont even talk about the Crusades!!
Main point is this though: I dont want this to be about history... im just saying our sense our deceiving so why are we relying on something that happened a long time ago that has been changed over and over and over again.
2. Free will vs. Fate-- which is obviously talked about in two other posts. MY main point however is what i posted in one of them: We can not possibly maintain complete free will. If God is an external being that knows the past present and future that is fine. We can still be left with our choices and he just knows the outcome of them. However, in the Bible if he kills people with as in Noahs Ark, 10 commandments, or wherever else.. then clearly this is not complete free will. If he knows how we die, thats one thing to be argued about free will, if he kills us... thats not free will.
3. Saying God is all good is also quite confusing. This is brought up in another post, however: if we say God is all good that means there is no part of bad in him. (If I made a 100 on my test, i am all knowing on the test). He is all good and has no bad... so then why was there a Lucifer? God obviously created EVERYTHING. God created lucifer. If God was all good, he could have no ounce of bad in him. Lucifer is bad. God must have some bad in him. Yea you can argue God gave Lucifer free will but wait... we said God is all good. He can not possibly have any ounce of bad in him to give him free will! we cant say we have a choice, and then at the same time say God is all good for reasons i just stated. Those are contradictory IMO.
4. People unknown to the word of God. Christians say that if you were not given an opportunity to have God in your heart, you are treated as if you were a baby and therefore you are going to Heaven. Ok that part is needed for this:
Now lets think about this as an observer to different regions of the world: If I am growing u in Italy near the Vatican and Im surrounded by 1 million catholics. My parents are catholic, i was raise a catholic all my life, wtf do you think i am going to be? Same as muslim. I am growing up in Iraq. Everyone surrounding me is Muslim, wtf am i going to be. Sure you have a choice, you can see the other religions on tv, you have heard about them, but come on.. we are acting as observers.. are you really going to change and be the 1 person looked upon as an idiot? I think not. You are raised this way and to a point you are brainwashed to think what people around you believe.
Main point: family affects religion (no i dont need 1 million people replying saying they are atheist and parents are christian. You are growing up in america and ultimately have a choice. I would have liked for you to go to afghanistan 10 years ago as a woman and raised and see if what you believed)
5. (i guess this is a point and a question) People in heaven, loved ones in hell. Sure God give you ultimate happiness in Heaven. Sure you get everything you wanted and celebrate or whatever they do up there. You have no problems, no worries no nothing, just eternal happiness. Correct me if i am wrong (because i might be) but dont people in heaven remember their lives? remember their loved ones? their families on earth? I mean yea i know everyone in heaven is a family but do you see what im saying?... lets say someone you know is living on earth and doing bad things. are u watching this person from heaven? are u watching this person go to hell? the person u care about is going to hell?? i mean yea i guess God could brainwash you and youd forget about that person but what if you dont? are you having all happiness with that person in hell?
What I find crazyyyyyyyyyy...
1. miracles- wtf?! "its a miracle you didnt die because of blah blah blah" well im pretty sure the same amt of "miracles" happen to muslims, jews, atheists, whatever else. If Heaven is eternal happiness, shouldnt be say that sucks man, sorry you had to live, i wish you wouldve died.
Which leads me to my next ironic thing:
2. birth-death... when someone is born everyone is so happy. To me following the christian way.. it seems like people shouldnt really be happy about a birth as much as death but obviously this isnt true. A newborn baby is going to live a life full of sin. Someone that dies is going to have eternal happiness. People should be celebrating death instead of mourning. You say, they arent mourning the person that died, they are mourning the loved ones. Well why are the loved ones mourning? Shouldnt they be happy as well? Is it not selfish to think of yourself and wish that person was still with you?? I mean they are having a great time in heaven, what r u thinking?
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What I believe:
There is a God. Where, what, who, when why, how, thats not up to me to judge or say. All I know is that there is a God.
We must define what God is-- God is a noun- a person, place thing, or idea. He/she, it.. whatever.. created us. I think by this simplest definition everyone should accept some sort of God-- not to worship or whatever, but the fact that something created something.
Ok thats all im sure no1 read it all.. lol.. and sorry about errors
Cliff notes: I dont believe in the Christian God
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Main point is this though: I dont want this to be about history... im just saying our sense our deceiving so why are we relying on something that happened a long time ago that has been changed over and over and over again.
2. Free will vs. Fate-- which is obviously talked about in two other posts. MY main point however is what i posted in one of them: We can not possibly maintain complete free will. If God is an external being that knows the past present and future that is fine. We can still be left with our choices and he just knows the outcome of them. However, in the Bible if he kills people with as in Noahs Ark, 10 commandments, or wherever else.. then clearly this is not complete free will. If he knows how we die, thats one thing to be argued about free will, if he kills us... thats not free will.
3. Saying God is all good is also quite confusing. This is brought up in another post, however: if we say God is all good that means there is no part of bad in him. (If I made a 100 on my test, i am all knowing on the test). He is all good and has no bad... so then why was there a Lucifer? God obviously created EVERYTHING. God created lucifer. If God was all good, he could have no ounce of bad in him. Lucifer is bad. God must have some bad in him. Yea you can argue God gave Lucifer free will but wait... we said God is all good. He can not possibly have any ounce of bad in him to give him free will! we cant say we have a choice, and then at the same time say God is all good for reasons i just stated. Those are contradictory IMO.
4. People unknown to the word of God. Christians say that if you were not given an opportunity to have God in your heart, you are treated as if you were a baby and therefore you are going to Heaven. Ok that part is needed for this:
Now lets think about this as an observer to different regions of the world: If I am growing u in Italy near the Vatican and Im surrounded by 1 million catholics. My parents are catholic, i was raise a catholic all my life, wtf do you think i am going to be? Same as muslim. I am growing up in Iraq. Everyone surrounding me is Muslim, wtf am i going to be. Sure you have a choice, you can see the other religions on tv, you have heard about them, but come on.. we are acting as observers.. are you really going to change and be the 1 person looked upon as an idiot? I think not. You are raised this way and to a point you are brainwashed to think what people around you believe.
Main point: family affects religion (no i dont need 1 million people replying saying they are atheist and parents are christian. You are growing up in america and ultimately have a choice. I would have liked for you to go to afghanistan 10 years ago as a woman and raised and see if what you believed)
5. (i guess this is a point and a question) People in heaven, loved ones in hell. Sure God give you ultimate happiness in Heaven. Sure you get everything you wanted and celebrate or whatever they do up there. You have no problems, no worries no nothing, just eternal happiness. Correct me if i am wrong (because i might be) but dont people in heaven remember their lives? remember their loved ones? their families on earth? I mean yea i know everyone in heaven is a family but do you see what im saying?... lets say someone you know is living on earth and doing bad things. are u watching this person from heaven? are u watching this person go to hell? the person u care about is going to hell?? i mean yea i guess God could brainwash you and youd forget about that person but what if you dont? are you having all happiness with that person in hell?
What I find crazyyyyyyyyyy...
1. miracles- wtf?! "its a miracle you didnt die because of blah blah blah" well im pretty sure the same amt of "miracles" happen to muslims, jews, atheists, whatever else. If Heaven is eternal happiness, shouldnt be say that sucks man, sorry you had to live, i wish you wouldve died.
Which leads me to my next ironic thing:
2. birth-death... when someone is born everyone is so happy. To me following the christian way.. it seems like people shouldnt really be happy about a birth as much as death but obviously this isnt true. A newborn baby is going to live a life full of sin. Someone that dies is going to have eternal happiness. People should be celebrating death instead of mourning. You say, they arent mourning the person that died, they are mourning the loved ones. Well why are the loved ones mourning? Shouldnt they be happy as well? Is it not selfish to think of yourself and wish that person was still with you?? I mean they are having a great time in heaven, what r u thinking?
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What I believe:
There is a God. Where, what, who, when why, how, thats not up to me to judge or say. All I know is that there is a God.
We must define what God is-- God is a noun- a person, place thing, or idea. He/she, it.. whatever.. created us. I think by this simplest definition everyone should accept some sort of God-- not to worship or whatever, but the fact that something created something.
Ok thats all im sure no1 read it all.. lol.. and sorry about errors
Cliff notes: I dont believe in the Christian God
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