Ask bort about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ

[bort411]

Fire away.

[nation]

I'm Hindu, sorry.

[A_Junglen]

Why do I have one leg?

[bort411]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm Hindu, sorry.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's not a question.

[PoBoy321]

bort,

What do you make of differing accounts of the same events in differt books of the NT?

Also, which translation do you think is most accurate?

[bort411]

[ QUOTE ]
Why do I have one leg?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because Jesus Christ felt that you would have a hard time molesting dogs with only one leg, pervert.

[egocidal]

Now its just getting old.



BTW, should probably be in SMP.

[gobboboy]

Could Jesus microwave a burrito SO HOT that he himself could not eat it?

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]

Now its just getting old.


[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not sure. I think that these threads would be a good way to determine everyone's areas of expertise in order to form our own little OOTopia.

[bort411]

[ QUOTE ]
bort,

What do you make of differing accounts of the same events in differt books of the NT?

Also, which translation do you think is most accurate?

[/ QUOTE ]

After 12 years of Catholic education, and several years away from religion of any sort, I can honestly say I have no idea. It seems to me that perhaps the best evidence that Jesus Christ was a devine being was that no one could even come close to accurately documenting his life. And they tried hard.

I exclusively prefer John in discussion of the gospel writers, as his gospel stands out the most.

[bort411]

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Could Jesus microwave a burrito SO HOT that he himself could not eat it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Jesus would not need to use a microwave. Your question is flawed.

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]

I exclusively prefer John in discussion of the gospel writers, as his gospel stands out the most.

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't mean which book, I meant which translation (e.g. King James, Revised Standard, New Revised Standard, etc.)

[A_Junglen]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Why do I have one leg?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because Jesus Christ felt that you would have a hard time molesting dogs with only one leg, pervert.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just to let you know you've officially turned me away from religion forever.

[bort411]

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I exclusively prefer John in discussion of the gospel writers, as his gospel stands out the most.

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't mean which book, I meant which translation (e.g. King James, Revised Standard, New Revised Standard, etc.)

[/ QUOTE ]

My mistake. I don't really have a strong preference, except to say that the King James version is among my least favorite.

[PoBoy321]

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My mistake. I don't really have a strong preference, except to say that the King James version is among my least favorite.

[/ QUOTE ]

What denomination are you?

[bort411]

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My mistake. I don't really have a strong preference, except to say that the King James version is among my least favorite.

[/ QUOTE ]

What denomination are you?

[/ QUOTE ]

Not practicing. Formerly Catholic.

[HotPants]

I masturbate to porn a lot. I have no morals. I'm going to hell

So, did Jesus get punished for my sins even though I'm getting punished anyway? That's two punishments for one set of sins, not very just IMO, considering the bible keeps claiming god is just

Or did Jesus only take the burden or whatever for people who make it to heaven? Well, in that case, Jesus didn't do sh!t for me, so fcuk him

[whiskeytown]

go to bible.org

pretty faithful literal translations - well educated and thoug- it's free for download - includes Catholic Apocyphral books as well -

RB

[moorobot]

Why do bad things happen to good looking women?

[nation]

Yeah, why is masturbation bad? Also, isn't sex before marriage necessary to determine compatibility?

[bort411]

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I masturbate to porn a lot. I have no morals. I'm going to hell

[/ QUOTE ]

I masturbated twice tonight. Welcome to the club.

[ QUOTE ]
So, did Jesus get punished for my sins even though I'm getting punished anyway? That's two punishments for one set of sins, not very just IMO, considering the bible keeps claiming god is just

[/ QUOTE ]

The Bible also cites numerous references to God being unjust. Read the Bible all the way through to the end. You see that last book, the one that highlights how God will only save 144,000 people no matter what? That's how God's ending it, my friend. Hardly just.[ QUOTE ]


[ QUOTE ]
Or did Jesus only take the burden or whatever for people who make it to heaven? Well, in that case, Jesus didn't do sh!t for me, so fcuk him

[/ QUOTE ]

To quote Patti Smith: "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." I like her way better.

[bort411]

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Why do bad things happen to good looking women?

[/ QUOTE ]

They don't. Ever.

[bort411]

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Yeah, why is masturbation bad? Also, isn't sex before marriage necessary to determine compatibility?

[/ QUOTE ]

1. It isn't.

2. Does that line work on the ladies?

[nation]

Doesn't the bible say masturbation is wrong? Which is why I was questioning the expert on that part...

[bort411]

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Doesn't the bible say masturbation is wrong? Which is why I was questioning the expert on that part...

[/ QUOTE ]

I am not an expert on the Bible. My expertise is questionable on masturbation.

And 5 bucks to the person who can give the book, chapter, and verse where the word "masturbate" is present.

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]
Doesn't the bible say masturbation is wrong? Which is why I was questioning the expert on that part...

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't. I think it's just something that people made up later on because they believed that you only had a limited supply of man-juice and they didn't want to waste it on dirty socks.

here's an article (http://www.jackinworld.com/library/articles/christian.html)

[adsman]

Bort,

Was Jesus really way cool?

[IronUnkind]

RSV

[HotPants]

[ QUOTE ]
The Bible also cites numerous references to God being unjust. Read the Bible all the way through to the end. You see that last book, the one that highlights how God will only save 144,000 people no matter what? That's how God's ending it, my friend. Hardly just.

[/ QUOTE ]

It'd be just if only 144,000 deserved to be saved. I need more examples

But, assuming you're right, god is unjust. Well then, I say fcuk it, god's a dick. He just declares what's right and wrong pretty much arbitrarily, and he's unjust.

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]

So, did Jesus get punished for my sins even though I'm getting punished anyway? That's two punishments for one set of sins, not very just IMO, considering the bible keeps claiming god is just

[/ QUOTE ]

Jesus got punished to cleanse you of original sin. Everything else can be quickly and easily forgiven.

[bort411]

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Bort,

Was Jesus really way cool?

[/ QUOTE ]

No. Wham was "way cool." Duck Tales was "way cool." Jesus was just "cool," sorta like Snoop.

[Baxter]

I went to church a couple of times a long time ago as a methodist. People ask me what the difference between methodist (united) and catholicism is, but I don't know. What is the difference?

[bort411]

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The Bible also cites numerous references to God being unjust. Read the Bible all the way through to the end. You see that last book, the one that highlights how God will only save 144,000 people no matter what? That's how God's ending it, my friend. Hardly just.

[/ QUOTE ]

It'd be just if only 144,000 deserved to be saved. I need more examples

But, assuming you're right, god is unjust. Well then, I say fcuk it, god's a dick. He just declares what's right and wrong pretty much arbitrarily, and he's unjust.

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't mean to imply that I feel God is unjust. I was addressing a question about the Bible, in which there are several instances of God acting unjustly.

[FuriousOne]

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So, did Jesus get punished for my sins even though I'm getting punished anyway? That's two punishments for one set of sins, not very just IMO, considering the bible keeps claiming god is just

[/ QUOTE ]

Jesus got punished to cleanse you of original sin. Everything else can be quickly and easily forgiven.

[/ QUOTE ]

If your catholic go to confession unless it is a mortal sin of like killing or something then you cant be forgiven I believe.

Also what happend to the 12th apostle? Why didnt jesus acknowledge him? Was it because he was black and was played by Chris Rock? (actually I believe it is cited somewhere that there may have been 15 total)

***EDIT**15 apostles (http://www.cornerstonechurchofskippack.com/pastorsdesk/questions/qa4.html)

BTW I'm catholic so meh currently lent and giving stuff up and not eating meat on fridays is fun >.> no not really, but atleast I wasnt molestored by a priest as a kid so thats a good thing ^_^

[PoBoy321]

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I went to church a couple of times a long time ago as a methodist. People ask me what the difference between methodist (united) and catholicism is, but I don't know. What is the difference?

[/ QUOTE ]

Catholics recognize the Pope as the head of the Church, as receiving his power directly from St. Peter to whom Jesus gave the keys of the Church, and the Catholic Church as God's instrument on Earth.

Methodists are going to hell.

[HotPants]

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Jesus got punished to cleanse you of original sin. Everything else can be quickly and easily forgiven.

[/ QUOTE ]

So wait I'm going to hell for some BS petty sins? Pretty harsh

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]

If your catholic go to confession unless it is a mortal sin of like killing or something then you cant be forgiven I believe.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you confess, there's nothing that you can't be forgiven of.

[ QUOTE ]

Also what happend to the 12th apostle? Why didnt jesus acknowledge him? Was it because he was black and was played by Chris Rock? (actually I believe it is cited somewhere that there may have been 15 total)

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you mean the 13th Apostle. The 12th Apostle is usually considered Judas, but we don't talk about him.

[HotPants]

[ QUOTE ]
I didn't mean to imply that I feel God is unjust. I was addressing a question about the Bible, in which there are several instances of God acting unjustly.

[/ QUOTE ]

ok well do you think he is just or unjust? if you think he is just, my first post in this thread still needs answering

[bort411]

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I went to church a couple of times a long time ago as a methodist. People ask me what the difference between methodist (united) and catholicism is, but I don't know. What is the difference?

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe Methodism is a form of Protestantism, which is different from Catholocism in more ways than I know.

Key differences which have been pointed out to me by Protestants are general: Catholics are a bit more strict in theory, put more emphasis on saints and the virgin Mary, and Catholics believe they have to do more to get to heaven.

Protestantism is the diet coke of Christianity.

[FuriousOne]

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If your catholic go to confession unless it is a mortal sin of like killing or something then you cant be forgiven I believe.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you confess, there's nothing that you can't be forgiven of.

[ QUOTE ]

Also what happend to the 12th apostle? Why didnt jesus acknowledge him? Was it because he was black and was played by Chris Rock? (actually I believe it is cited somewhere that there may have been 15 total)

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you mean the 13th Apostle. The 12th Apostle is usually considered Judas, but we don't talk about him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well I actually have faith in Saint Judas totally different then the one your thinking about. My Judas is teh hombre with the good prayers to help a catholic out /images/graemlins/grin.gif not the one who sold jesus out only to hang himself ~_~

[PoBoy321]

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Jesus got punished to cleanse you of original sin. Everything else can be quickly and easily forgiven.

[/ QUOTE ]

So wait I'm going to hell for some BS petty sins? Pretty harsh

[/ QUOTE ]

Well not really. I'm not 100% sure of Catholic theology on this, but I think that the belief is so long as you confess stuff, you're fine. If you've done some bad stuff and haven't confessed or received last rites before you die, you spend a little time in purgatory then go to Heaven. If you've done a lot of really bad stuff and haven't confessed, you go to Hell, but I really don't think you have anything to worry about.

[Tron]

Shouldn't you have capitalized both Lord and Savior?

[Baxter]

According to PoBoy I'm going to hell.
According to Bort I have an easier path to heaven.
Since this thread is ask bort and not ask poboy, I'm going to believe bort, and give a special thanks to my parents who forced a religion on me before I was old enough to make a choice for myself.

[bort411]

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I didn't mean to imply that I feel God is unjust. I was addressing a question about the Bible, in which there are several instances of God acting unjustly.

[/ QUOTE ]

ok well do you think he is just or unjust? if you think he is just, my first post in this thread still needs answering

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, in my interpretation of the Bible as literature, God is unjust. Some more examples:

-Murdering the first born sons at Passover (what exactly did the kids do to deserve death?)
-Forcing Mary to bear his child
-Demanding that Abraham attempt murder on his son
-"Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated" (Romans 9:13)

[FuriousOne]

St. Judas Thaddeus Wikipedia style (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Jude)

St Jude is the saint to petition for hopeless causes.

Saint Judas Thaddeus or St Jude was one of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. It has been said he was almost forgotten for centuries after the death of Christ. Some believe this was because his name, St. Judas Thaddeus was often confused with Judas Iscariot the apostle who betrayed Christ. Thus, people were afraid to seek intercession for fear of confusing the two. Centuries passed before people began to recognize St. Jude. It is speculated that many thought he may have had some "stored-up" power from all the time when he was forgotten and he has since become known as the saint to petition for hopeless causes.

[Pauwl]

When Jesus was attacked by that one dude Samuel, who was possessed by multiple demons and was all foaming at the mouth saying "Our name is Legion", did Jesus keep his composure and act all cool or was he like "Oh man, I hope this works" and just waved his hands hoping to stop the guy? Also, why did Jesus bannish the demons into a harmless herd of pigs? The pigs weren't hurting anybody and then Jesus bannishes these demons into them and they go drown themselves. Why didn't Jesus just bannish them into like a pile of pig dung or something?

[bort411]

[ QUOTE ]
Shouldn't you have capitalized both Lord and Savior?

[/ QUOTE ]

Perhaps. I don't know if that's a grammatical or spiritual criticism. I stand by my choice.

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]

According to PoBoy I'm going to hell.

[/ QUOTE ]

FWIW, I was kidding about that. Look up some info on the Protestant Reformation and particularly the Jesuits (an order of Catholic priests who've educated me for the last 7 years) and I think you'll get it.

[bort411]

[ QUOTE ]
When Jesus was attacked by that one dude Samuel, who was possessed by multiple demons and was all foaming at the mouth saying "Our name is Legion", did Jesus keep his composure and act all cool or was he like "Oh man, I hope this works" and just waved his hands hoping to stop the guy? Also, why did Jesus bannish the demons into a harmless herd of pigs? The pigs weren't hurting anybody and then Jesus bannishes these demons into them and they go drown themselves. Why didn't Jesus just bannish them into like a pile of pig dung or something?

[/ QUOTE ]

1. Jesus was cool. I already covered this.
2. I assume there were demons in those particular pigs before Jesus even got there.

[whiskeytown]

[ QUOTE ]
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I masturbate to porn a lot. I have no morals. I'm going to hell

[/ QUOTE ]

I masturbated twice tonight. Welcome to the club.

[ QUOTE ]
So, did Jesus get punished for my sins even though I'm getting punished anyway? That's two punishments for one set of sins, not very just IMO, considering the bible keeps claiming god is just

[/ QUOTE ]

The Bible also cites numerous references to God being unjust. Read the Bible all the way through to the end. You see that last book, the one that highlights how God will only save 144,000 people no matter what? That's how God's ending it, my friend. Hardly just.[ QUOTE ]


[ QUOTE ]
Or did Jesus only take the burden or whatever for people who make it to heaven? Well, in that case, Jesus didn't do sh!t for me, so fcuk him

[/ QUOTE ]

To quote Patti Smith: "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." I like her way better.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]



quickly approaching lame status - I don't care if you mock God - but say you're mocking God - don't go pitching yourself as a Religious expert when all you do is say "Oh God, OH GOD" when yer jerkin' off.

I could do better then this thread - I will do so after I get off work.

RB

[Baxter]

Is there a website that I can go to in order to figure out what religion I should be? (don't force [censored] on me you catholics, and I'm not afraid of you coming to my house and telling me to become catholic or you'll kill me, that was so yesterday) I want some kind of questionnaire where I answer some things and they say my beliefs most line up with Buddist, Hindu, etc. thinking. Does this exist?

[bort411]

At no point have I claimed I was a religious expert.

[HotPants]

[ QUOTE ]
Is there a website that I can go to in order to figure out what religion I should be? (don't force [censored] on me you catholics, and I'm not afraid of you coming to my house and telling me to become catholic or you'll kill me, that was so yesterday) I want some kind of questionnaire where I answer some things and they say my beliefs most line up with Buddist, Hindu, etc. thinking. Does this exist?

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude, why bother?

[FuriousOne]

[ QUOTE ]
Is there a website that I can go to in order to figure out what religion I should be? (don't force [censored] on me you catholics, and I'm not afraid of you coming to my house and telling me to become catholic or you'll kill me, that was so yesterday) I want some kind of questionnaire where I answer some things and they say my beliefs most line up with Buddist, Hindu, etc. thinking. Does this exist?

[/ QUOTE ]

why not just be yourself and not worry what religion you are? I hate this about religion because its supposed to unite everyone when all its doing is the exact opposite. I dont hate my religion I just like to be at peace with what i understand about it i hate when people say oh those mormons are going to hell for believing in a prophet who they knowingly already have proof that he was a fake and those this and that those its f'n insane man. just love yourself and god or the creator of earth and be happy.

[Pauwl]

Did Jesus ever get annoyed or angry with Thomas for doubting him so much? Thomas rolled with Jesus for quite some time, so it seems like they must have argued over his divinity a lot, so was Thomas a jerk about it and did he ever deride Jesus' claims of divinity?

[bort411]

[ QUOTE ]
Is there a website that I can go to in order to figure out what religion I should be? (don't force [censored] on me you catholics, and I'm not afraid of you coming to my house and telling me to become catholic or you'll kill me, that was so yesterday) I want some kind of questionnaire where I answer some things and they say my beliefs most line up with Buddist, Hindu, etc. thinking. Does this exist?

[/ QUOTE ]

I would say that it would be very difficult to find such a website that did not present a clear bias. You're better off just going to churches, temples, or whatever and saying "what's up" and start asking questions.

I've done this at a local Hillel and a Lutheran church, and people for the most part are pretty helpful.

[Luzion]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
bort,

What do you make of differing accounts of the same events in differt books of the NT?

Also, which translation do you think is most accurate?

[/ QUOTE ]

After 12 years of Catholic education, and several years away from religion of any sort, I can honestly say I have no idea. It seems to me that perhaps the best evidence that Jesus Christ was a devine being was that no one could even come close to accurately documenting his life. And they tried hard.

I exclusively prefer John in discussion of the gospel writers, as his gospel stands out the most.

[/ QUOTE ]

The differing accounts of the NT are a result of the authors relying on different sources and because they were written during different times. None of the NT books were written during Jesus' lifetime. Not only that, one or two books were written wayyy after Jesus had already died by most likely followers of apostles and never met Jesus. In fact, I recall that one particular book is simply a collection of stories from other written books. After you add in each authors individual intepretation of Jesus, the stories all turn out slightly different.

Which one is most accurate? Probably the one that was written the earliest, but I cant recall which one that was. Its also important to note that a bunch of books and stories were written but were just never officially set together to belong to the New Testament.

[skunkworks]

This is a pretty terrible thread, and you don't sound like you really know what you're talking about when it comes to Jesus, the Bible, or the various denominations of Christianity.

That being said, I thought your response to one-legged guy to be pretty damn funny.

[Luzion]

[ QUOTE ]
Could Jesus microwave a burrito SO HOT that he himself could not eat it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Jesus was made flesh. The Romans whipped the crap out of him, so why wouldnt he be affected by a hot burrito?

[Baxter]

[ QUOTE ]
why not just be yourself and not worry what religion you are? I hate this about religion because its supposed to unite everyone when all its doing is the exact opposite. I dont hate my religion I just like to be at peace with what i understand about it i hate when people say oh those mormons are going to hell for believing in a prophet who they knowingly already have proof that he was a fake and those this and that those its f'n insane man. just love yourself and god or the creator of earth and be happy.

[/ QUOTE ]
I think that is exactly where I am at right now. I'm 24, single, and have no religion. I have my own beliefs, but these are built on the small methodist foundation I picked up doing the C + E thing from age 5-16ish. I'm starting to get curious though about religion. I want the one that is the best fit for me. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe to answer questions. Maybe because someday I'll get married and I'll want my kids to have a religious foundation. I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

[gasoltub]

Is jesus ok with the catholic priests child molestations?

[bort411]

[ QUOTE ]
This is a pretty terrible thread, and you don't sound like you really know what you're talking about when it comes to Jesus, the Bible, or the various denominations of Christianity.

That being said, I thought your response to one-legged guy to be pretty damn funny.

[/ QUOTE ]

Again, I don't pretend to be an expert. You ask, I answer.

[bort411]

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Is jesus ok with the catholic priests child molestations?

[/ QUOTE ]

Child molesters go to a special level of hell. I don't think Jesus' opinion makes much difference here.

[FuriousOne]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
why not just be yourself and not worry what religion you are? I hate this about religion because its supposed to unite everyone when all its doing is the exact opposite. I dont hate my religion I just like to be at peace with what i understand about it i hate when people say oh those mormons are going to hell for believing in a prophet who they knowingly already have proof that he was a fake and those this and that those its f'n insane man. just love yourself and god or the creator of earth and be happy.

[/ QUOTE ]
I think that is exactly where I am at right now. I'm 24, single, and have no religion. I have my own beliefs, but these are built on the small methodist foundation I picked up doing the C + E thing from age 5-16ish. I'm starting to get curious though about religion. I want the one that is the best fit for me. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe to answer questions. Maybe because someday I'll get married and I'll want my kids to have a religious foundation. I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

[/ QUOTE ]

Then do as the OP said above visit different places of worship and ask questions. If you say it doesnt hurt to find a religion then it shouldnt hurt to put forth a little effort and drive around town on the weekend /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[adsman]

[ QUOTE ]

I want the one that is the best fit for me. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe to answer questions. Maybe because someday I'll get married and I'll want my kids to have a religious foundation.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you want to get involved in something you don't really believe in so you can foist it on your unborn children?

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

[Luzion]

[ QUOTE ]
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Also what happend to the 12th apostle? Why didnt jesus acknowledge him? Was it because he was black and was played by Chris Rock? (actually I believe it is cited somewhere that there may have been 15 total)

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you mean the 13th Apostle. The 12th Apostle is usually considered Judas, but we don't talk about him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I remember being taught that Judas later committed suicide after he realized he had condemned Jesus. The Apostles later got a replacement for Judas when they went out to spread the word.

[FuriousOne]

[ QUOTE ]
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Is jesus ok with the catholic priests child molestations?

[/ QUOTE ]

Child molesters go to a special level of hell. I don't think Jesus' opinion makes much difference here.

[/ QUOTE ]

OP, I dont believe his question was if the lords opinion mattered or not but yet what would you believe HIS take on the subject would be.

[bort411]

[ QUOTE ]
Did Jesus ever get annoyed or angry with Thomas for doubting him so much? Thomas rolled with Jesus for quite some time, so it seems like they must have argued over his divinity a lot, so was Thomas a jerk about it and did he ever deride Jesus' claims of divinity?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.

[FuriousOne]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

I want the one that is the best fit for me. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe to answer questions. Maybe because someday I'll get married and I'll want my kids to have a religious foundation.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you want to get involved in something you don't really believe in so you can foist it on your unborn children?

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

[/ QUOTE ]

Have you not heard of the middle east? (unless your answer was sarcasm you should def. pick up a USA Today)

[bort411]

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Is jesus ok with the catholic priests child molestations?

[/ QUOTE ]

Child molesters go to a special level of hell. I don't think Jesus' opinion makes much difference here.

[/ QUOTE ]

OP, I dont believe his question was if the lords opinion mattered or not but yet what would you believe HIS take on the subject would be.

[/ QUOTE ]

Last post on child molestation:

Jesus loves it. Clearly. Clearly he is in support of exploiting children for sex. Sorry if that wasn't clear. He loves it. Honestly.

[Luzion]

[ QUOTE ]
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Jesus got punished to cleanse you of original sin. Everything else can be quickly and easily forgiven.

[/ QUOTE ]

So wait I'm going to hell for some BS petty sins? Pretty harsh

[/ QUOTE ]

Well not really. I'm not 100% sure of Catholic theology on this, but I think that the belief is so long as you confess stuff, you're fine. If you've done some bad stuff and haven't confessed or received last rites before you die, you spend a little time in purgatory then go to Heaven. If you've done a lot of really bad stuff and haven't confessed, you go to Hell, but I really don't think you have anything to worry about.

[/ QUOTE ]

Dont forget there are two types of sins. One were you didnt know you actually sinned and/or original sin, and one where you purposely turn your back to God. I dont remember the exact names to it, but the one where you purposely turn your back to God is way worse because you know you what you are doing is bad and yet you still choose to do it.

You have to goto confession to be forgiven of your sins that you purposely chose to do.

[Luzion]

[ QUOTE ]
Did Jesus ever get annoyed or angry with Thomas for doubting him so much? Thomas rolled with Jesus for quite some time, so it seems like they must have argued over his divinity a lot, so was Thomas a jerk about it and did he ever deride Jesus' claims of divinity?

[/ QUOTE ]

I dont remember Thomas ever doubting Jesus until Jesus rose from the dead and paid his pals a visit. Who know if Jesus got angry at Thomas before that? The NT does show that Jesus could get angry though. Like when he got pissed that people were disrespecting the Temple by doing business in the front and thrashed everyones stands.

[adsman]

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Bort,

Was Jesus really way cool?

[/ QUOTE ]

No. Wham was "way cool." Duck Tales was "way cool." Jesus was just "cool," sorta like Snoop.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, he could turn water into wine. That's pretty way cool.

[Baxter]

[ QUOTE ]
So you want to get involved in something you don't really believe in so you can foist it on your unborn children?

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I don't know what I believe in, that's the point of this exercise. I don't have to force religion on my future children either. I can educate them and let them make their own choices.

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I'm just looking for a base, not trying to become a fanatic. I find that people forcing religous views turns me away from religion. I also find that suicide bombers turn me away from religion. Odd.

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Was Jesus really way cool?

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No. Wham was "way cool." Duck Tales was "way cool." Jesus was just "cool," sorta like Snoop.

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Well, he could turn water into wine. That's pretty way cool.

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I stand corrected.

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Child molesters go to a special level of hell. I don't think Jesus' opinion makes much difference here.

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OP, I dont believe his question was if the lords opinion mattered or not but yet what would you believe HIS take on the subject would be.

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Last post on child molestation:

Jesus loves it. Clearly. Clearly he is in support of exploiting children for sex. Sorry if that wasn't clear. He loves it. Honestly.

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Well I found your posts insightful and honest about yourself to say the least up until I read the last post.

The only justification behind that would be his messed up childhood and the years that we are not told of when he is growing up and comeing to terms that he is gods son and will one day die for our salvation. Is he that disturbed? If so why did he go through with it then? Why is he recognized for comeing to that aid of children in many forms one being baby jesus and yet be exploiting them as you so put it by stateing that he "clearly loves it"?

Meh whatever I'm going to bed this thread is going to die soon.

[skunkworks]

FuriousOne,

I think the sarcasm detector needs recalibration?

[comix]

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Bort:

If this is the case, what beverage would you associate with the following:

1. Mormons
2. 7th Day Adventists
3. Jehovah's Witnesses
4. Unitarians
5. Christian Scientists?

Sorry about the long question, I'm kind of messed up after an evening of rum and Protestantism.

Thristily,
C

[Magellan]

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Maybe because someday I'll get married and I'll want my kids to have a religious foundation. I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

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You can pass on values that you believe to be important to your children without having to put a religious slant on things. If you "have no religion", just values that are in line with some religions, then why not just instill those values in your children?

I think that arguably religion can "hurt", particularly if you don't wholeheartedly believe in it yourself.

[BoogerFace]

Does slowplaying aces really make baby jesus cry?

I really, really need to know.

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Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

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Actually religious IS harmless and NEVER hurt anybody. Idiotic, ignorant extremists who misinterpret and change their views of said religions are the ones who hurt people. I'm tired of people blaming religion for the [censored] problems of the world.

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Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

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You are so funny.

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Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

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You are so funny.

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I'm not joking.

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I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

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Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

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I'm not joking.

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Stop it. You're killing me.

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I want the one that is the best fit for me. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe to answer questions. Maybe because someday I'll get married and I'll want my kids to have a religious foundation.

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I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

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Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

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Actually religious IS harmless and NEVER hurt anybody. Idiotic, ignorant extremists who misinterpret and change their views of said religions are the ones who hurt people. I'm tired of people blaming religion for the [censored] problems of the world.

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You are so funny.

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I'm not joking.

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Stop it. You're killing me.

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I would like for you to attempt to explain how religion has hurt anyone. You won't be able to. You'll find examples of extremists killing people, which isn't religion.

[Dominic]

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Could Jesus microwave a burrito SO HOT that he himself could not eat it?

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wow. now THIS is a philisophical question I'd love to know the answer to. Nice.

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I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

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Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

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Actually religious IS harmless and NEVER hurt anybody. Idiotic, ignorant extremists who misinterpret and change their views of said religions are the ones who hurt people. I'm tired of people blaming religion for the [censored] problems of the world.

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You are so funny.

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I'm not joking.

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Stop it. You're killing me.

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I would like for you to attempt to explain how religion has hurt anyone. You won't be able to. You'll find examples of extremists killing people, which isn't religion.

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Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

[Dominic]

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Was Jesus really way cool?

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No. Wham was "way cool." Duck Tales was "way cool." Jesus was just "cool," sorta like Snoop.

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I'll go with this....sounds about right.

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So you want to get involved in something you don't really believe in so you can foist it on your unborn children?

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I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

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Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

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Actually religious IS harmless and NEVER hurt anybody. Idiotic, ignorant extremists who misinterpret and change their views of said religions are the ones who hurt people. I'm tired of people blaming religion for the [censored] problems of the world.

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You are so funny.

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I'm not joking.

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Stop it. You're killing me.

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I would like for you to attempt to explain how religion has hurt anyone. You won't be able to. You'll find examples of extremists killing people, which isn't religion.

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Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

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It's sad that you won't even attempt to defend your position.

[adsman]

Please stop. I'm begging you. My stomach is hurting. Hang on a sec, I just gotta chuck another virgin into the volcano.

[pistolero]

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I would like for you to attempt to explain how religion has hurt anyone. You won't be able to. You'll find examples of extremists killing people, which isn't religion.

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Right. Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. If religion gets off the hook for the hurtful actions of extremists, then it doesn't get credit for the helpful acts of compassionate people.

OP: What would Jesus do? (Not rhetorical.)

[NinjaMan]

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Please stop. I'm begging you. My stomach is hurting. Hang on a sec, I just gotta chuck another virgin into the volcano.

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So, which religion advocates that? Is that Catholicism, Protestans, Jews, or Muslims?

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I would like for you to attempt to explain how religion has hurt anyone. You won't be able to. You'll find examples of extremists killing people, which isn't religion.

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Right. Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. If religion gets off the hook for the hurtful actions of extremists, then it doesn't get credit for the helpful acts of compassionate people.

OP: What would Jesus do? (Not rhetorical.)

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I agree with the top point about the compassionate people.

[bigt2k4]

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Doesn't the bible say masturbation is wrong? Which is why I was questioning the expert on that part...

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I am not an expert on the Bible. My expertise is questionable on masturbation.

And 5 bucks to the person who can give the book, chapter, and verse where the word "masturbate" is present.

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Back when I decided I was going to read the entire bible I started on Exodus since Genesis is boring and I got through about 3 or 4 books of the Old Testament and it did say that masturbation was wrong. Something about not giving into desires and that you should poke out your eyes or cut off your arms if you are giving into particular desires.

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Please stop. I'm begging you. My stomach is hurting. Hang on a sec, I just gotta chuck another virgin into the volcano.

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So, which religion advocates that? Is that Catholicism, Protestans, Jews, or Muslims?

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Hang on. You mean there are only four?? Oh, man. Those Taoists are gonna be pissed.

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Please stop. I'm begging you. My stomach is hurting. Hang on a sec, I just gotta chuck another virgin into the volcano.

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So, which religion advocates that? Is that Catholicism, Protestans, Jews, or Muslims?

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Hang on. You mean there are only four?? Oh, man. Those Taoists are gonna be pissed.

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This is getting a little silly. /images/graemlins/smile.gif It would take me a very long time to list all world religions, and you know that. All I'm trying to get to is the point that when people aren't religious or find religion to be pointless, that they stay respectful about it (and everything else). Even IF you were able to show me how religion, in itself, advocates harmful activity, I still would explain that regardless if it is or not, PEOPLE can be harmful, even if no religion was ever present. Religion did not start war, hate, etc. Some wars have started due to religious belief differences, but religion in itself is harmless.

I have found that the arguments on religion tend to make people on both sides of the coin look extremely ignorant, because it's a personal choice and shouldn't be cut and dry. You act so condescending on the issue when you know as much as everyone else about the meaning of life. I'm only asking that we all quit being terds on discussions like this.

[adsman]

Dude, you should stick with being a ninja.

Religion is not harmful people are harmful? Who do you think starts religions? And keeps them going? Dieties? Please.
Islamists beheaded three Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia recently on orders from their religious leader. Would this event have occured if there were no religions?

A religion is an elite club. The club offers various rights and privliges, amongst which are getting into some sort of cool spiritual afterlife because you are one of the 'chosen'. If you are chosen it means that someone else, through no fault of their own, is not chosen. Which breeds resentment, jealousy, hate, ignorance etc etc etc.

I am on no religious side. I follow no religion that tells me that I am better or more special than someone else simply because I happen to follow a set of rules drawn up by some ignorant powerhungry cretin thousands of years ago.

[NinjaMan]

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Dude, you should stick with being a ninja.

Religion is not harmful people are harmful? Who do you think starts religions? And keeps them going? Dieties? Please.
Islamists beheaded three Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia recently on orders from their religious leader. Would this event have occured if there were no religions?

A religion is an elite club. The club offers various rights and privliges, amongst which are getting into some sort of cool spiritual afterlife because you are one of the 'chosen'. If you are chosen it means that someone else, through no fault of their own, is not chosen. Which breeds resentment, jealousy, hate, ignorance etc etc etc.

I am on no religious side. I follow no religion that tells me that I am better or more special than someone else simply because I happen to follow a set of rules drawn up by some ignorant powerhungry cretin thousands of years ago.

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And I completely respect that. I don't think I'm better than anyone, period. However, not all religious people can be grouped into some negative stereotype. I feel I'm understanding, respectful, and try very hard to live a life that centers around compassion and kindness, regardless of my religion.

And yes, I will stick with ninja-ing it up.

[Dominic]

what's it like believing in a fairly tale that has no more credence than Santa claus or the Tooth Fairy?

[IronUnkind]

You mean you didn't bang Jenna?

[d-baggery]

Why is your jesus portrayed as a caucasion by western culture when clearly he would not have been white?

[Utah]

How can anyone be religous when there is zero evidence that there is a god? How can people be so easily duped? What is there about the human mind that allows it to believe something so obviously false? Do we need such faulty beliefs to keep from going insane?

[T.J. Combo]

In Leviticus 20, there is a list of sexual deviances including beastiality, incest, homosexuality and banging a chick on the rag.

If I bang a chick on the rag am I gonna go to hell?

[HotPants]

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Well hey if you define people who are capable of killing people because of their 'religion' as extremists, and people who won't kill people and are religious as just plain old religious people, of course you're gonna be right.

I'm guessing you'd use these definitions to make you feel distant from those 'extremists'. I think you are deluding yourself, I think they are not too different from you plain old 'religious' people.

Reminds me of a conversation I had once with some one went along the lines of:

them: no, I don't think christians were ever responsible for wars and bad things etc..

me: what about the nazi's? Weren't a few of them christians?

them: nah they weren't really christians

me: what about blah blah blah who did blah blah wrong?

them: nah, they weren't really christians, a christian wouldn't do that

me: what about blah blah blah who did blah blah wrong?

them: nah, they obviously weren't really christians.

etc.

[HotPants]

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How can anyone be religous when there is zero evidence that there is a god? How can people be so easily duped? What is there about the human mind that allows it to believe something so obviously false? Do we need such faulty beliefs to keep from going insane?

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My opinion: People are not as good with logic as they think they are. And they tend to think similarly with other people around them. We also don't realize how many of our 'logical conclusions' are actually just irrational emotional thoughts that we have done our best to rationalize.

edit: and imagine the power of millions of minds all working in conjuction to rationalize certain pre-concluded conclusions. You're gonna end up with some damn good rationalizations that reinforce the whole thing.

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So, did Jesus get punished for my sins even though I'm getting punished anyway? That's two punishments for one set of sins, not very just IMO, considering the bible keeps claiming god is just

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The Bible also cites numerous references to God being unjust. Read the Bible all the way through to the end. You see that last book, the one that highlights how God will only save 144,000 people no matter what? That's how God's ending it, my friend. Hardly just.

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I gave the above quotes to a good missionary friend of mine, I wanted him to address the issue of only 144,000 people being saved. I will let you read his responce, you will be quite comforted to know that God saving only 144,000 was just a mis-interpitation by the OP.

The passage that this person is referring to is Revelation 7:4-8. First
of all, Revelation is an apocolyptic book, that is to say that it is
very symbolic by nature, as it is based on a literal revelation that
the apostle John had when he was actually called up to heaven for a
time. It is a great book to read, but it causes lots of debates
theologically because it is so easy to misinterpret, and it uses lots
of symbols.

Revelation 7:4 says that "And I heard the number of those who were
sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of
the sons of Israel", and then John proceedes to list 12 thousand being
"sealed" or saved, from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, totalling
144,000, as 12 times 12 is of course 144. Now, even if this were a
literal fact, which it may be a literal number of Jews saved during the
end times, it is still not "everyone" that God will save. Where this
person in the forum is getting that I have no idea- John specifically
talks of Jews. The Bible says that, although most Jews will reject
Christ, a remnent in the end will flock to Israel and embrace Him-
perhaps 144,000. However, the scripture that our friend needs to read
comes a little bit later in the same chapter, in verse 9. In that
verse, John says "After these things I looked, and behold, a great
multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes
and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the
Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands..."

A.C., the fact is that, although there may be 144,000 Jews saved in the
end, (and obviously much more before the end, as I am one of them), the
number of those that God will save, as John put it, will be "too many
to count". It is important to take everything in context of God's Word,
all the while resting in the knowledge of who God is. We know that He
is just, and 2 Peter 3:9 tells us that "The Lord is not slow about His
promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing
for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance." God loves all
mankind and wants us all to be saved, but through our sin and rejection
of the Messiah, we bring judgement that we well deserve upon ourselves.

[HotPants]

That's what I find amussing about christians. They claim it's amazing that the bible is so consistent.

Of course it's gonna be consistent when you 'use context' and 'interpret' a passage that clearly says 144,000 to mean more than 144,000

""Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. "

[ALReturnsLOL]

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Did you read the whole passage? John was reffering to 144,000 Jews who would be saved. If you look farther down you will realize that the true number of people that will be saved will be too many to count.

edit: It is clear to me now that you did not read my entire post, if you did you would realize that your responce makes no sense.

[NinjaMan]

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The world needs less of this. Questioning life, religion, etc. should be something everyone does, but doing it in this way is incredibly ignorant.

Apparently you have all the answers to life. You know more than any human being has ever been able to answer.

Guess what ... there is no proof God exists, nor is there proof against it. You talk about logic being the *proof*, but there are logical arguments against athiesm as well. I'm not saying there is FOR SURE a God, but I think, logically, it's hard to not at least consider some sort of intelligent design.

Regardless of our differences of beliefs, there is absolutely no reason to act like you know anything more than the rest of us. It makes you look dumb, honestly.

[Utah]

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Regardless of our differences of beliefs, there is absolutely no reason to act like you know anything more than the rest of us. It makes you look dumb, honestly.

[/ QUOTE ]Uhhhhh.....okay. If I told you that I believed in a magic kingdom of super intelligent gigantic mystical purple bunnies that rule the universe through their armies of invisible elves would you truly entertain the likelihood I am correct or would you think I am insane? It is the same thing.

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[/ QUOTE ] False argument. There is no evidence against my bunny people either.

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[bort411]

Re: revelations.

I didn't read all of that. I'm assuming it says something about Revelations being written significantly later than other books in the NT. I'd also assume it says that even at the time it was written, it probably wouldn't have been taken literally, as it followed writing conventions of its era (these being hyperbole, destruction, and lack of figurative language). You may further have pointed out that a lot of religious scholars, Martin Luther and myself among others, felt that this book doesn't belong anywher in the NT, let alone as it's conclusion.

My answers regarding those questions were addressing the Bible as a comprehensive work of literature; I was not addressing HOW certain people interpret it. Whomever was asking those questions specifically cited the Bible, and that's my favorite example of an unjust God. Regardless of how you interpret Revelations or the NT, denying that the Bible contains references to an unjust God is incorrect.

[bort411]

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Does slowplaying aces really make baby jesus cry?

I really, really need to know.

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No. But Jesus does feel that since most players are lacking aggression, it's generally not the best idea to get passive with a good hand.

[bort411]

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Bort:

If this is the case, what beverage would you associate with the following:

1. Mormons
2. 7th Day Adventists
3. Jehovah's Witnesses
4. Unitarians
5. Christian Scientists?

Sorry about the long question, I'm kind of messed up after an evening of rum and Protestantism.

Thristily,
C

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Mormons = tonic water
7th Day Aventists = Fresca
Jehovah's Witnesses = Bacardi 151
Unitarians = Mountain Dew Code Red
Christian Scientists = A&W Root Beer

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I am not an expert on the Bible. My expertise is questionable on masturbation.

And 5 bucks to the person who can give the book, chapter, and verse where the word "masturbate" is present.

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Back when I decided I was going to read the entire bible I started on Exodus since Genesis is boring and I got through about 3 or 4 books of the Old Testament and it did say that masturbation was wrong. Something about not giving into desires and that you should poke out your eyes or cut off your arms if you are giving into particular desires.

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"particular desires" = masturbation? Really? Book, chapter, and verse please.

[NinjaMan]

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Regardless of our differences of beliefs, there is absolutely no reason to act like you know anything more than the rest of us. It makes you look dumb, honestly.

[/ QUOTE ]Uhhhhh.....okay. If I told you that I believed in a magic kingdom of super intelligent gigantic mystical purple bunnies that rule the universe through their armies of invisible elves would you truly entertain the likelihood I am correct or would you think I am insane? It is the same thing.

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[/ QUOTE ] False argument. There is no evidence against my bunny people either.

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it's hard to not at least consider some sort of intelligent design

[/ QUOTE ]no, it really isnt at all.

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I'm probably in the minority on this, but no, I wouldn't find you insane. I wouldn't hang out with you. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm not trying to offend you or insult you, or anyone for that matter, but you don't know anything! None of us do! Until I die, I won't know anything about the true origin of the universe or if there is some sort of God. And neither do you. You can of course believe there isn't, but you can't know. And if you say you know, you really are the most egotistical, stubborn person ... maybe ever. I believe there was intelligent design, but I don't know for sure, or even more than 50% sure. But why bash and mock those who believe it? Immaturity?

[bort411]

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Blissful.

[Utah]

Why did the church remove "The Book of Joy" from the old testament?

[bort411]

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Why is your jesus portrayed as a caucasion by western culture when clearly he would not have been white?

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Because white people hate colored people.

[bort411]

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How can anyone be religous when there is zero evidence that there is a god? How can people be so easily duped? What is there about the human mind that allows it to believe something so obviously false? Do we need such faulty beliefs to keep from going insane?

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People are terrified that death will be the end of their consciousness. That's why there's religion.

[bort411]

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In Leviticus 20, there is a list of sexual deviances including beastiality, incest, homosexuality and banging a chick on the rag.

If I bang a chick on the rag am I gonna go to hell?

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Chapter 20 of Leviticus should be disregarded. I should have been put to death like 64 times according to it.

[bort411]

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Why did the church remove "The Book of Joy" from the old testament?

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Because of it's title. You see a lot of joy floating around in the OT?

[ALReturnsLOL]

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Re: revelations.

I didn't read all of that. I'm assuming it says something about Revelations being written significantly later than other books in the NT. I'd also assume it says that even at the time it was written, it probably wouldn't have been taken literally, as it followed writing conventions of its era (these being hyperbole, destruction, and lack of figurative language). You may further have pointed out that a lot of religious scholars, Martin Luther and myself among others, felt that this book doesn't belong anywher in the NT, let alone as it's conclusion.

My answers regarding those questions were addressing the Bible as a comprehensive work of literature; I was not addressing HOW certain people interpret it. Whomever was asking those questions specifically cited the Bible, and that's my favorite example of an unjust God. Regardless of how you interpret Revelations or the NT, denying that the Bible contains references to an unjust God is incorrect.

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Let me highlight the important part for you. Later in that same book that says 144,000 will be saved, it goes on to say that many people (in fact too many to count) will be saved by God.


the fact is that, although there may be 144,000 Jews saved in the
end, (and obviously much more before the end, as I am one of them), the
number of those that God will save, as John put it, will be "too many
to count". It is important to take everything in context of God's Word,
all the while resting in the knowledge of who God is. We know that He
is just, and 2 Peter 3:9 tells us that "The Lord is not slow about His
promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing
for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance." God loves all
mankind and wants us all to be saved, but through our sin and rejection
of the Messiah, we bring judgement that we well deserve upon ourselves.

[El Diablo]

bort,

SMP (aka RELIGION) FORUM

[Utah]

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I'm not trying to offend you or insult you, or anyone for that matter, but you don't know anything! None of us do! Until I die, I won't know anything about the true origin of the universe or if there is some sort of God. And neither do you. You can of course believe there isn't, but you can't know.

[/ QUOTE ]I agree that we dont know anything at all and I make the same argument against both science and religon. I am simply a skeptic. However, there is simply zero reason to put any stock in the validity of any current major religon. In fact, when you look at evolutionary forces in human history, there is reason to definitely believe they are false. Additionally, one can use logic to argue away curent concepts of God - e.g., - God cannot exist in this universe and within time because to do so would mean that God is bound by the rules of existence.....

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And if you say you know, you really are the most egotistical, stubborn person ... maybe ever

[/ QUOTE ]Maybe.....but why would anyone put any more stock in Jesus than the mystical bunnies? One can create an infinite number of religous beliefs or religons grounded in nothing. Why give any credence to one, Jesus, that has zero proof? To say, "Well, you cant know for sure" is an incredibly weak and disingenuous argument.

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[/ QUOTE ]I did not. He offered to answer any questions and those were mine.

[bort411]

Thank you for the summation. I appreciate it. However, "we" do not know that God just.

Tyring to justify the inclusion and relevance of Revelation is a diffult task. In my opinion, it is included at the end of most Christian bibiles to instill fear in those that read it. To suggest hat the underlying theme of it is love, forgiveness, and salvation is nice, but I simply do not agree.

[bort411]

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El D:
I created this thread in response to the flurry of "Ask this poster about this" threads that popped up last night because it was 4am and I thought my title was funny. I had little intent to actually get into a theological debate, but now I'm running with it. Sorry.

Mods feel free to move or delete this thread if it's getting in the way of OOT.

[Aloysius]

First of all, I found this hilarious:

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When Jesus was attacked by that one dude Samuel, who was possessed by multiple demons and was all foaming at the mouth saying "Our name is Legion", did Jesus keep his composure and act all cool or was he like "Oh man, I hope this works" and just waved his hands hoping to stop the guy? Also, why did Jesus bannish the demons into a harmless herd of pigs? The pigs weren't hurting anybody and then Jesus bannishes these demons into them and they go drown themselves. Why didn't Jesus just bannish them into like a pile of pig dung or something?

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HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

OK question, thinking of it cause of another thread today:

Is homosexuality a sin in Christianity? I know a black, gay pastor! (Unitarian.)

I know it's referenced in Romans (where Paul says assbanging is an act of sin or whatever). And it's in Leviticus according to this thread.

-Al

[HotPants]

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That's what I find amussing about christians. They claim it's amazing that the bible is so consistent.



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Did you read the whole passage? John was reffering to 144,000 Jews who would be saved. If you look farther down you will realize that the true number of people that will be saved will be too many to count.

edit: It is clear to me now that you did not read my entire post, if you did you would realize that your responce makes no sense.

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no I didn't read the whole passage, bad example on my part.

edit: In case it's not clear, I still think there are a crapload of inconsistencies

[MrWookie]

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So, did Jesus get punished for my sins even though I'm getting punished anyway? That's two punishments for one set of sins, not very just IMO, considering the bible keeps claiming god is just

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The Bible also cites numerous references to God being unjust. Read the Bible all the way through to the end. You see that last book, the one that highlights how God will only save 144,000 people no matter what? That's how God's ending it, my friend. Hardly just.

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I gave the above quotes to a good missionary friend of mine, I wanted him to address the issue of only 144,000 people being saved. I will let you read his responce, you will be quite comforted to know that God saving only 144,000 was just a mis-interpitation by the OP.

The passage that this person is referring to is Revelation 7:4-8. First
of all, Revelation is an apocolyptic book, that is to say that it is
very symbolic by nature, as it is based on a literal revelation that
the apostle John had when he was actually called up to heaven for a
time. It is a great book to read, but it causes lots of debates
theologically because it is so easy to misinterpret, and it uses lots
of symbols.

Revelation 7:4 says that "And I heard the number of those who were
sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of
the sons of Israel", and then John proceedes to list 12 thousand being
"sealed" or saved, from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, totalling
144,000, as 12 times 12 is of course 144. Now, even if this were a
literal fact, which it may be a literal number of Jews saved during the
end times, it is still not "everyone" that God will save. Where this
person in the forum is getting that I have no idea- John specifically
talks of Jews. The Bible says that, although most Jews will reject
Christ, a remnent in the end will flock to Israel and embrace Him-
perhaps 144,000. However, the scripture that our friend needs to read
comes a little bit later in the same chapter, in verse 9. In that
verse, John says "After these things I looked, and behold, a great
multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes
and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the
Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands..."

A.C., the fact is that, although there may be 144,000 Jews saved in the
end, (and obviously much more before the end, as I am one of them), the
number of those that God will save, as John put it, will be "too many
to count". It is important to take everything in context of God's Word,
all the while resting in the knowledge of who God is. We know that He
is just, and 2 Peter 3:9 tells us that "The Lord is not slow about His
promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing
for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance." God loves all
mankind and wants us all to be saved, but through our sin and rejection
of the Messiah, we bring judgement that we well deserve upon ourselves.

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I have a little more to add to this, actually. You mention that Revelation is an apocolyptic work, and is extremely symbolic. This is correct. The thing to keep in mind is that virtually everything is symbolic, including numbers. If you look through the Bible, you'll see the numbers 7, 10, and 12 crop up all the time. This is because they are inherently symbolic numbers. Seven is God's number. In Revelation, there are 7 signs, 7 trumpets, 7 heralds, etc. Where the number 7 is, there God is. God created the world in 7 days, but less because we're meant to think that God created the universe in exactly 7 24 hour periods, but because no one would write about God creating the universe in any other amount of time. When the people of the day wrote about God, he had to do everything in sevens. It points out to the audience, "Hey, here's God working!" Even if someone wants to continue to nit on the seven days, it's also written that to God, "A day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day." Anyway, I'm getting off track.

Ten is a human number. We have 10 fingers and 10 toes, and we have 10 commandments to guide our ways. Twelve is the number of the horizon, and of the whole world. We have 12 hours on a clock because of this thinking. Twelve hours of the day, twelve of the night. Thus, the number 12 is the number of the whole world and everything around you. There are twelve tribes of Israel - the whole world of God's people. There are 12 Apostles because it is their job to minister to the whole world. When you see the number 144,000, the people of the day didn't see that number and think like us, that only 144,000 people will be saved. They saw a huge number that meant the whole world could be saved twice over if they only turned to God.

One can't read the Bible like a 21st century American poker player and hope to understand it. You have to read it like a first century AD Palestinian farmer. The best Bible study teacher I ever had (a physics professor, actually) started off one class by referencing a Far Side cartoon in which several cowboys are sitting around a fire, and one of them is standing up pointing at another saying "Simmons here just uttered a discouraging word!" If you took something like that to a Palestinian farmer, they wouldn't come anywhere close to getting it without teaching them a lot of context. You can't just explain to them the meaning of the words or what a cowboy is and get them to laugh. You have to teach them the song that every American thinks of automatically when reading the cartoon. I certainly won't claim that reading the Bible is useless without all the context. There is a lot in there that is excellent when taken at face value. However, faith, analysis, or criticism of any part that isn't trying to not only hear the words themselves, but the rich context of the culture of the day is sorely incomplete.

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That kinda sucks, why hasn't god made a better version for us?

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That's what I find amussing about christians. They claim it's amazing that the bible is so consistent.



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Did you read the whole passage? John was reffering to 144,000 Jews who would be saved. If you look farther down you will realize that the true number of people that will be saved will be too many to count.

edit: It is clear to me now that you did not read my entire post, if you did you would realize that your responce makes no sense.

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no I didn't read the whole passage, bad example on my part.

edit: In case it's not clear, I still think there are a crapload of inconsistencies

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If you read the Bible wrong, yeah, you'll come up with a lot of inconsistencies. Have you ever read the story of Noah in Genesis? Man, it's the most confusing, whacked out story you'd ever read. Christians don't even read it in Church much/ever because it's so hard to follow what's going on. It seems like Noah builds the Ark twice, loads the animals twice, and all sorts of weird crap like that. You know why? It's two stories. Rabbis way back when collected two stories of the telling of Noah written by two different people. They wanted to include it in Genesis, but they couldn't pick one. And they didn't want to put the two stories side by side, either, because it's just one story. So what do you do? Well, you weave the text of both stories together. You'll do much better reading the same story, but only reading every other verse or so. And then you go back and read the ones you didn't read the first time.

It's easy to get caught in snags like this, where the way people wrote things down gets ugly. You run into plenty that's inconsistent or indecipherable. However, reading the Bible for the Divine behind the text, and the context of the text, is where the beauty lies.

[MrWookie]

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You have to read it like a first century AD Palestinian farmer.

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That kinda sucks, why hasn't god made a better version for us?

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Well, instead God blessed us with people who've kept track of and researched the context so as to help us hear things like a Palestinian farmer.

[ALReturnsLOL]

One the orginal arguments of the OP was that God was unjust and would only save 144,000 people. I had a missionary friend look that verse up. He told me that the OP has misunderstood what the Bible was saying, this statement appeared a few pages later. In the same book.

"the number of those that God will save will be too many to count".

It is important to take everything in context of God's Word, all the while resting in the knowledge of who God is.

[HotPants]

I don't see any problems with your approach

But I know may Christians who believe that the bible is the word of God, and to be taken literally, and is true etc. etc.

The only 'ground they give' is they realize that there can be some confusion in translating from the langauges it was written in to English.

But still, what's your take on things like:

"And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men."

link (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel%2024:9&version=9;)

and

"And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword."

link (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Chronicles%2021:5&version=9;)

Although this seems petty, it seems to me you'd be foolish to think the Bible does not contain things that are simply not true

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That kinda sucks, why hasn't God made a better version for us?

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Though parts of the Bible are hard to interpet corrrectly, or are at least open for debate as to what they mean. The important lesson of the Bible are readily there for you. Let me sum it up.

God loves you and sees through your imperfections. He wants to come into ANYONE's heart who will open up to him.

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The important lesson of the Bible are readily there for you.

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Uh, not really. I've tried reading the bible before. Couldn't understand jack

Sure, other people can help me, but I've found there are many breeds of Christians out there who will tell you different things. There are a few common themes, like the one you say, but if that's all that's important, why the fcuk is all this confusion neccessary? Why isn't the bible like just 10 pages long?

[ALReturnsLOL]

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I don't see any problems with your approach

But I know may Christians who believe that the bible is the word of God, and to be taken literally, and is true etc. etc.

The only 'ground they give' is they realize that there can be some confusion in translating from the langauges it was written in to English.

But still, what's your take on things like:

"And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men."

link (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel%2024:9&version=9;)

and

"And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword."

link (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Chronicles%2021:5&version=9;)

Although this seems petty, it seems to me you'd be foolish to think the Bible does not contain things that are simply not true

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I would just tell you this. Though those are not the same word for word, I will explain why. The Bible is God's word, people can try and interpet it into a form that we all understand. Sadly humans are very flawed and cannot translate God's word 100% correctly. The problem does not come from inconsistances the Bible, but rather people not knowing how to properly translate the Bible.

[ALReturnsLOL]

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The important lesson of the Bible are readily there for you.

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Uh, not really. I've tried reading the bible before. Couldn't understand jack

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Yes it is very hard to understand, espcially if you read the King James version. What I meant by the lessons being readily there for you is to say that the important themes in the Bible are consistant and are not open to people debating and so forth. Such as God's love for his children.

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Sure, other people can help me, but I've found there are many breeds of Christians out there who will tell you different things. There are a few common themes, like the one you say, but if that's all that's important, why the fcuk is all this confusion neccessary? Why isn't the bible like just 10 pages long?

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LOL that is a pretty good question. I can summerize the Bible for you.

God loves you, he sent his son to die for you. He wants to be in your heart. I don't know why God made the Bible so long, hopefully we will one day find out /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[HotPants]

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I don't see any problems with your approach

But I know may Christians who believe that the bible is the word of God, and to be taken literally, and is true etc. etc.

The only 'ground they give' is they realize that there can be some confusion in translating from the langauges it was written in to English.

But still, what's your take on things like:

"And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men."

link (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel%2024:9&version=9;)

and

"And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword."

link (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Chronicles%2021:5&version=9;)

Although this seems petty, it seems to me you'd be foolish to think the Bible does not contain things that are simply not true

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I would just tell you this. Though those are not the same word for word, I will explain why. The Bible is God's word, people can try and interpet it into a form that we all understand. Sadly humans are very flawed and cannot translate God's word 100% correctly. The problem does not come from inconsistances the Bible, but rather people not knowing how to properly translate the Bible.

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A reasonable explenation. Just to let you know, there are some who believe that God's word is 100% correct, and god's word made it into the bible without any mistakes added/made by the human writers. It's these people that baffle me most

[ALReturnsLOL]

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A reasonable explenation. Just to let you know, there are some who believe that God's word is 100% correct, and God's word made it into the bible without any mistakes added/made by the human writers. It's these people that baffle me most

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Well there are people who will translate the Bible into whatever they want to hear only to justify whatever wrong doing they are participating in. God's word (the orginal text) is pure and true, but people will twist God's word into something it is not. Sounds like you have talked to a few of these people. Please do not confuse the word of God with lies from a false prophet.

[HotPants]

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Please do not confuse the word of God with lies from a false prophet.

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Trust me, you won't have to worry about that

[spacetime]

the promise of an everlasting life in the clouds?

[Dominic]

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If I told you that I believed in a magic kingdom of super intelligent gigantic mystical purple bunnies that rule the universe through their armies of invisible elves would you truly entertain the likelihood I am correct or would you think I am insane? It is the same thing.

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can I believe in your purple bunny people? sounds pretty cool.

[HotPants]

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Please do not confuse the word of God with lies from a false prophet.

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Trust me, you won't have to worry about that

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Actually, I guess you do have to worry. I dunno why I said that

[ALReturnsLOL]

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Please do not confuse the word of God with lies from a false prophet.

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Trust me, you won't have to worry about that

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Actually, I guess you do have to worry. I dunno why I said that

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[MaxWeiss]

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And therefore Jesus is our lord and svior???

[beset]

The story of Onan from the Torah is where the prohibition on masturbation comes from.

Genesis38:8-10

38:8. Juda, therefore, said to Onan his son: Go in to thy brother's wife and marry her, that thou mayst raise seed to thy brother.

39:9. He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother's wife, he spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother's name.

38:10. And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing


So not really a Jesus thing.

[ALReturnsLOL]

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The story of Onan from the Torah is where the prohibition on masturbation comes from.

Genesis38:8-10

38:8. Juda, therefore, said to Onan his son: Go in to thy brother's wife and marry her, that thou mayst raise seed to thy brother.

39:9. He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother's wife, he spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother's name.

38:10. And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing


So not really a Jesus thing.

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There is an link ealier in this thread that talks about this. Many people do not think "spilling the seed" is masterbation. I would recommend you check it out.

[Utah]

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[/ QUOTE ]Yes... for many that it the reason. However, if that is the case then isnt it really just a matter of deferred compensation. If someone does good and performs acts of kindness for Jesus and for God with the understanding that it will get them in heaven then isnt it fair to assume that the person isnt really doing good. Rather, they are simply performing acts for which they expect heavy compensation.

[neverforgetlol]

you know the only reason christianity is even around for you to believe in was because roman religion was too arduous to follow?

also, please explain the strong imilarities of the jesus story to that up pre-christian god figures like mithras.

[AceofSpades]

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God's word (the orginal text) is pure and true,

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You do realize that since we don't have the original text, then you are essentially saying that if God spoke then His word would be perfect?

[jman220]

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I want the one that is the best fit for me. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe to answer questions. Maybe because someday I'll get married and I'll want my kids to have a religious foundation.

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So you want to get involved in something you don't really believe in so you can foist it on your unborn children?

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I'm not really sure, but it can't hurt.

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Yeah, religions harmless. Never hurt anybody.

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Actually religious IS harmless and NEVER hurt anybody. Idiotic, ignorant extremists who misinterpret and change their views of said religions are the ones who hurt people. I'm tired of people blaming religion for the [censored] problems of the world.

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I'm not joking.

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Stop it. You're killing me.

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I would like for you to attempt to explain how religion has hurt anyone. You won't be able to. You'll find examples of extremists killing people, which isn't religion.

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Yup, and nazism and facism and communism never hurt anybody either, it was just PEOPLE who followed these beliefs.

[spaminator101]

by joe bort talk to the guy
tell him bout Jesus
and if you wont i will