DougShrapnel
03-10-2006, 03:47 AM
Will it happen.
The arguement is one made by Bruce F Damer
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Damer's Argument:
If life is evolving code in interplay with its environment, then the increasingly complex technological code in Cyberspace, Robotspace, or Devicespace might be seen as akin to a prototype living system evolving within the human environment.
Hogwash! You may say, “Our technology is all built and maintained by people, and everything there is therefore artificial.” You might also follow up with the challenge: is a computer virus really alive? We might ask in return: is a flu virus really alive? Where does the machine end and the living form start? Is life simply a level of complexity so that once the system becomes opaque and unpredictable enough it is alive? Is life the ability of any entity to effect self repairs or self reproduction? Is life about populations in a dynamic dance within an ecosystem?
Would the skeptics be convinced if the Yes camp came up with compelling examples of "made" environments exhibiting lifelike properties? Of course, how you define lifelike is very much an open issue. We believe however that despite all this, eager engineers, like the alchemists of old, would quit their day jobs to labor on winning this bet. They would say: it may be really tough to define consciousness or master the vagaries of natural language and cognition to pass the Turing test (see Mitch Kapor and Ray Kurzweil's bet [2]), but with 22 years and Moore's Law on our side, surely we can recreate a cell in silico, or yea, even successfully code up a slime mold! Isn't life in the small just a bunch of squishy machines running chemical algorithms? The nerds would conclude, “This will be a piece of cake!”
Detractors might then retort that software is much too brittle to represent the complex actions of genes or proteins and Cyberspace or any other technospace is much too incomplete and impoverished an environment to stimulate authentic evolution. Other critics might cast out the whole enterprise as being nothing more than game like simulations of trivial cases of authentic living systems.
But what if, one day, something completely unpredictable began to happen in our networks? What if the emergent properties within some piece of technology just piled up high enough that we were confounded to explain a behavior? Would this then be a kind of “first contact”? Or would we be fooled yet again by glitches gone wild and woolly? Yes, reboot that server, stop that daemon, unplug that device, and the phenomenon goes away. But what if it returns somewhere else in a slightly improved form (without a hacker somewhere making the changes)? Is this happening already? Will it happen even if we don’t try to create it?
What does this all mean?
If you sense a kernel of truth in all this, you might ask: “So what does this all mean?” Life seems to have progressed over 4 billion years through a series of steps to ever-higher energy and complexity states. Why should we doubt that life intends to penetrate into further frontiers even using us as a surrogate? Dawkins' selfish genes might express a planetary-strength will to reproduce whole biospheres (a la Dorian Sagan) thereby getting all the proverbial eggs out of one basket. The Earth is a tomb for life the day the sun starts to fuse helium.
Blind watchmaking or not, the products of evolution are highly innovative and human intelligence may be handing the ultimate survival invention to Earth life: the coding of living systems, their replication and travel through space free of the limits of mass, molecules and chemical reactions.
Or in other words, it is much easier to escape the Earth's gravity well if your blueprints don’t weigh anything. As Freeman Dyson’s open bet [3] posits, life might be found on the small chunks of ice and rock surrounding our solar systems. The surface area of these small objects vastly exceeds any planetary real estate. If some form of Earth life is to get a foothold here, it would have to be fleet of foot and able to overcome the separation of a trillion trillion islands tumbling in a hard vacuum.
Human beings and almost any other Earth life bigger than a bacterium are unsuited for such places. So the future shape of successful life outside the biosphere may necessarily be some weird techno-biological hybrid. Crude early examples of this model at work include the crippled Galieo Jupiter spacecraft, which obtained a new “brain” (and way of seeing) beamed to it as software code en route to the Jovian system.
A greater meaning for this bet?
So what is the meaning of this bet? Is it simply a challenge to get the "A" out of "A-Life" or something much larger? Is it a challenge to humanity to recognize that it can be a conscious and willing partner in the next step on the long journey of Terran life?
And where in all this fits human intelligence and our species? Dawkins also tantalizes us with concepts of memes, ideas as life forms reproducing from mind to mind. Information technology serves humans as a cultivator of memes. It might be fair to speculate that out of our will to open new pathways for life new forms would emerge that are both memetic and genetic in nature, coexisting with human minds at home and out there in the universe.
Getting down off this soapbox of out-there theories, we invite input and discussion from the skeptics, fence sitters, and the Yes and No camps alike. Being realistic, even with 22 years to go, winning this bet would be a marathon effort, but why keep the biosphere waiting?
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The arguement is one made by Bruce F Damer
[ QUOTE ]
Damer's Argument:
If life is evolving code in interplay with its environment, then the increasingly complex technological code in Cyberspace, Robotspace, or Devicespace might be seen as akin to a prototype living system evolving within the human environment.
Hogwash! You may say, “Our technology is all built and maintained by people, and everything there is therefore artificial.” You might also follow up with the challenge: is a computer virus really alive? We might ask in return: is a flu virus really alive? Where does the machine end and the living form start? Is life simply a level of complexity so that once the system becomes opaque and unpredictable enough it is alive? Is life the ability of any entity to effect self repairs or self reproduction? Is life about populations in a dynamic dance within an ecosystem?
Would the skeptics be convinced if the Yes camp came up with compelling examples of "made" environments exhibiting lifelike properties? Of course, how you define lifelike is very much an open issue. We believe however that despite all this, eager engineers, like the alchemists of old, would quit their day jobs to labor on winning this bet. They would say: it may be really tough to define consciousness or master the vagaries of natural language and cognition to pass the Turing test (see Mitch Kapor and Ray Kurzweil's bet [2]), but with 22 years and Moore's Law on our side, surely we can recreate a cell in silico, or yea, even successfully code up a slime mold! Isn't life in the small just a bunch of squishy machines running chemical algorithms? The nerds would conclude, “This will be a piece of cake!”
Detractors might then retort that software is much too brittle to represent the complex actions of genes or proteins and Cyberspace or any other technospace is much too incomplete and impoverished an environment to stimulate authentic evolution. Other critics might cast out the whole enterprise as being nothing more than game like simulations of trivial cases of authentic living systems.
But what if, one day, something completely unpredictable began to happen in our networks? What if the emergent properties within some piece of technology just piled up high enough that we were confounded to explain a behavior? Would this then be a kind of “first contact”? Or would we be fooled yet again by glitches gone wild and woolly? Yes, reboot that server, stop that daemon, unplug that device, and the phenomenon goes away. But what if it returns somewhere else in a slightly improved form (without a hacker somewhere making the changes)? Is this happening already? Will it happen even if we don’t try to create it?
What does this all mean?
If you sense a kernel of truth in all this, you might ask: “So what does this all mean?” Life seems to have progressed over 4 billion years through a series of steps to ever-higher energy and complexity states. Why should we doubt that life intends to penetrate into further frontiers even using us as a surrogate? Dawkins' selfish genes might express a planetary-strength will to reproduce whole biospheres (a la Dorian Sagan) thereby getting all the proverbial eggs out of one basket. The Earth is a tomb for life the day the sun starts to fuse helium.
Blind watchmaking or not, the products of evolution are highly innovative and human intelligence may be handing the ultimate survival invention to Earth life: the coding of living systems, their replication and travel through space free of the limits of mass, molecules and chemical reactions.
Or in other words, it is much easier to escape the Earth's gravity well if your blueprints don’t weigh anything. As Freeman Dyson’s open bet [3] posits, life might be found on the small chunks of ice and rock surrounding our solar systems. The surface area of these small objects vastly exceeds any planetary real estate. If some form of Earth life is to get a foothold here, it would have to be fleet of foot and able to overcome the separation of a trillion trillion islands tumbling in a hard vacuum.
Human beings and almost any other Earth life bigger than a bacterium are unsuited for such places. So the future shape of successful life outside the biosphere may necessarily be some weird techno-biological hybrid. Crude early examples of this model at work include the crippled Galieo Jupiter spacecraft, which obtained a new “brain” (and way of seeing) beamed to it as software code en route to the Jovian system.
A greater meaning for this bet?
So what is the meaning of this bet? Is it simply a challenge to get the "A" out of "A-Life" or something much larger? Is it a challenge to humanity to recognize that it can be a conscious and willing partner in the next step on the long journey of Terran life?
And where in all this fits human intelligence and our species? Dawkins also tantalizes us with concepts of memes, ideas as life forms reproducing from mind to mind. Information technology serves humans as a cultivator of memes. It might be fair to speculate that out of our will to open new pathways for life new forms would emerge that are both memetic and genetic in nature, coexisting with human minds at home and out there in the universe.
Getting down off this soapbox of out-there theories, we invite input and discussion from the skeptics, fence sitters, and the Yes and No camps alike. Being realistic, even with 22 years to go, winning this bet would be a marathon effort, but why keep the biosphere waiting?
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