View Full Version : Flop is QQQ, I have JJ.....whats a brother to do???
Worm75
12-01-2007, 02:45 AM
Villain is a thinking positionally aware player( He posts at 2p2 as well), running at 23/19/7.2 over 1k hands. He does not know i am 2p2 a the time, but I've been running hot against him, and abusing him when he was OOP.
I didn't 3 bet PF, because we had been tangling a bit at the table, and I don't mind flat calling JJ/TT in pos and playing a smaller pot.
Thoughts on the hand, I will add more later in the thread.
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SB: $61
BB: $68.85
UTG: $57.65
CO: $26.90
Hero (BTN): $72
Pre-Flop: J/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $2, SB folds, BB folds
Flop: ($4.75) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, UTG calls $3
Turn: ($10.75) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $7</font>, Hero calls $7
River: ($24.75) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $45.65 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds
Results: $24.75 Pot ($1.20 Rake)
UTG mucked and WON $23.55 (+$11.55 NET)
Hebel
12-01-2007, 02:55 AM
lokos good wo me
Do you think he holds a Q here? I would definitely 3bet this preflop to get a better understanding of what he can be holding (if it's AA or KK or AK).
I don't know that I like flatting preflop.. because you had been tangling at the table, it should be more of a reason to 3-bet I think, because you'll get looked up lighter or he'll shove lighter. This should be the only reason why we're tangling with a decent player in the first place.
As played, I think he's bluffing about never, so I like the fold. I also like flop and turn I think, but I'm a bit unsure on the turn.
Worm75
12-01-2007, 03:10 AM
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I don't know that I like flatting preflop.. because you had been tangling at the table, it should be more of a reason to 3-bet I think, because you'll get looked up lighter or he'll shove lighter. This should be the only reason why we're tangling with a decent player in the first place.
As played, I think he's bluffing about never, so I like the fold. I also like flop and turn I think, but I'm a bit unsure on the turn.
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I will mix it up, 3 betting as well as flat calling. OOP it's an auto 3 bet, but with pos. probably 70/30. Depends on the player opening. I assumed his range had tightened with him being OOP on me, so I didn't mind the flat call. Turn was my real ?, I don't think I like the flat call, but I think raising sucks as well...
Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, but like, if he were to bet if the river came a 4, would you call?
bored
12-01-2007, 03:16 AM
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I don't know that I like flatting preflop.. because you had been tangling at the table, it should be more of a reason to 3-bet I think, because you'll get looked up lighter or he'll shove lighter. This should be the only reason why we're tangling with a decent player in the first place.
As played, I think he's bluffing about never, so I like the fold. I also like flop and turn I think, but I'm a bit unsure on the turn.
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I will mix it up, 3 betting as well as flat calling. OOP it's an auto 3 bet, but with pos. probably 70/30. Depends on the player opening. I assumed his range had tightened with him being OOP on me, so I didn't mind the flat call. Turn was my real ?, I don't think I like the flat call, but I think raising sucks as well...
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You're WA/WB vs Villain's raising range, so I think a flat call is okay on the turn.
Worm75
12-01-2007, 03:22 AM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, but like, if he were to bet if the river came a 4, would you call?
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Would come down to bet sizing/game flow i would guess....I am a bit of a POW in these spots though /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Yeah, well like, when he shoves, it's pretty obvious he has a Q or AA, and we can fold pretty easily.. I think it becomes a bit harder when he bets like 17 on river. I think this is played perfectly given the flat call pre.
vixticator
12-01-2007, 03:26 AM
Nice hand, I raise the turn to protect hand against Ace or King on river and get value (mostly latter). Probably have to call a shove but it's marginal. As played this is either you being value towned or the player is overly aggro/donk and is lighting money on fire with like 99.
I dislike the turn raise.. A higher card is gonna come 15% of the time on the river, that's not enough of a threat for us to raise to protect, and do you really think anything less than our hand is gonna call a raise? I think he folds most pocket pairs and we split with the case J.
vixticator
12-01-2007, 03:35 AM
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I dislike the turn raise.. A higher card is gonna come 15% of the time on the river, that's not enough of a threat for us to raise to protect, and do you really think anything less than our hand is gonna call a raise? I think he folds most pocket pairs and we split with the case J.
[/ QUOTE ]Good point. I think a worse hand MIGHT call (TT, 99) a raise and c/f river. Not betting the river, obv. It's a strange line with AA, KK, AJ, AK that he took if he had these. Maybe not THAT strange but I expect most of those to bet instead of check the flop. River lead is very confusing. What the hell Jack peels the flop? There's only one left. None imo. I think they flopped Quads or we have the best hand and there is value in a smallish raise, to like $18.
Or, do you think AA/KK is checking the flop to zeebow us later?
PerDoom
12-01-2007, 03:36 AM
Good fold. Villain played this hand very poorly.
Worm75
12-01-2007, 03:36 AM
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Yeah, well like, when he shoves, it's pretty obvious he has a Q or AA, and we can fold pretty easily.. I think it becomes a bit harder when he bets like 17 on river. I think this is played perfectly given the flat call pre.
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Yeah, I actually didn't think that long about it, with a decent player that shove is always the nuts. He value bets the river, I think I have a real decision there
It looks exactly like how a regular-ish guy would play quads. "Zomg quads, lets let him trap himself and c/c! Hahaha he bet, that sucker. Oh a jack on the turn, he might've hit that I gotta lead now! Hahaha he called I got him now. And when the king comes on the river he's GOTTA hit something there, and no one folds a boat, I shovel!"
Ya know?
bored
12-01-2007, 03:44 AM
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It looks exactly like how a regular-ish guy would play quads. "Zomg quads, lets let him trap himself and c/c! Hahaha he bet, that sucker. Oh a jack on the turn, he might've hit that I gotta lead now! Hahaha he called I got him now. And when the king comes on the river he's GOTTA hit something there, and no one folds a boat, I shovel!"
Ya know?
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Remind me to avoid you thac.
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