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n4rf

11-30-2007, 01:27 AM

Villain is 28/18/2.5 over 100 hands

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Hero ($16.50)
UTG ($4.70)
MP ($10)
CO ($27.10)
Button ($9.65)
SB ($29.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.3, 1 fold, Hero
raises or calls to see a flop?

If raises to how much?
Would pushing here be too much?

Now obviously villain holds a big hand, how big is the question here... so how do I usually react to his 3-bet here? Since he seems TAG and has been playing pretty straightforward, I give him at least a range of JJ+, AQ+ (for his 3bet hands, unless he 3bets light and so far he hasn't given me an idea of if he does).

The Reese

11-30-2007, 01:48 AM

I call or fold. No push no raise. If you are called after a shove you are flipping at best and I think that there is very little fodl equity in a four bet or shove. Let's call and play a flop. Use your edge put him on a range and play accordingly.

existential_dred

11-30-2007, 02:21 AM

i probably fold unless I know the villian likes to just call with AA and/or KK as many TAGs do.

I definitely don't call because I need to get rid of the early raiser (MP) and he might overcall if don't show more strength. It will be lot harder to bet out on a bluff if the flop comes ugly with two players left to act behind me...

but let's say i hit the flop...how am i going to know that a TAG is betting into me with JJ or QQ if i actually hit the the flop? If I hit the flop (especially a King) and bet out i don't like how much money its going to cost me to get to the river and watch the villian turn over AA or KK or chop.

mdwexford

11-30-2007, 02:26 AM

With no reads i 4 bet here every time, $4 or so and call a shove obviously. Hate calling oop here.

youngmachetes

11-30-2007, 02:39 AM

i'm also not a fan of coldcalling pre, either. it makes your hand somewhat transparent and allows your opponent to outplay you easilly. you can cc if you prepared to c/r shove some flops, though.

mocky

11-30-2007, 02:43 AM

4 bet to 4.50 if someone pushes over my 4 bet im folding this.

mdwexford

11-30-2007, 11:53 AM

If you 4 bet to $4.50 and someone shoves there will be about $15 in the middle and you only have $5.50 effective behind. Even if his range is Q-Q+ we still have 34% equity, folding there is a major mistake.