View Full Version : can I fold here with AA on the flop?
bsball8806
11-29-2007, 10:04 PM
Don't know why the hand history isn't converting, but w/e.
Reads: Villain over about 40 hands appears to be a solid TAG.
5 handed, .05/.1 blinds, I have $11.30, Villain covers.
I raise UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif to $0.40.
BTN calls, Villain calls from the SB
Pot is $1.30
Flop is 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 10/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif
Villain leads out for $1.30, I reraise to $5.50, he shoves.
Can I find a fold?
Fulzgold
11-29-2007, 10:09 PM
you're definitely behind here. yes you can fold.
also, if you are ahead, your equity isnt that strong.
Paul Thomson
11-29-2007, 10:09 PM
no
Paul Thomson
11-29-2007, 10:10 PM
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you're definitely behind here. yes you can fold.
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we're ahead of KQ, TJ, and 87
mickb70
11-29-2007, 10:11 PM
I can't find a call.
Paul Thomson
11-29-2007, 10:17 PM
we only need to be good here 25% of the time to call.
mickb70
11-29-2007, 10:30 PM
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we only need to be good here 25% of the time to call.
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.671% 23.50% 00.17% 6514 47.50 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 76.329% 76.16% 00.17% 21111 47.50 { TT-99, AKs, QJs, AKo, QJo }
Salient point and i make it 5.4 more into 22.7 pot so need 23.78 which seems to make this close. I've already folded but I was prob wrong on closer inspection.
Paul Thomson
11-29-2007, 10:33 PM
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we only need to be good here 25% of the time to call.
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.671% 23.50% 00.17% 6514 47.50 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 76.329% 76.16% 00.17% 21111 47.50 { TT-99, AKs, QJs, AKo, QJo }
Salient point and i make it 5.4 more into 22.7 pot so need 23.78 which seems to make this close. I've already folded but I was prob wrong on closer inspection.
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nice try. put in TJ and 9T and KQ
Fulzgold
11-29-2007, 10:34 PM
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you're definitely behind here. yes you can fold.
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we're ahead of KQ, TJ, and 87
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villian appears to be a solid TAG. Easy fold.
mickb70
11-29-2007, 10:36 PM
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we only need to be good here 25% of the time to call.
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.671% 23.50% 00.17% 6514 47.50 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 76.329% 76.16% 00.17% 21111 47.50 { TT-99, AKs, QJs, AKo, QJo }
Salient point and i make it 5.4 more into 22.7 pot so need 23.78 which seems to make this close. I've already folded but I was prob wrong on closer inspection.
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nice try. put in TJ and 9T and QJ
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I just put in the certainies to get us enough equity to call. TJ 9T maybe even 89 are just gravy. QJ is already there BTW.
Paul Thomson
11-29-2007, 10:36 PM
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you're definitely behind here. yes you can fold.
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we're ahead of KQ, TJ, and 87
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villian appears to be a solid TAG. Easy fold.
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give me a range for villain?
Paul Thomson
11-29-2007, 10:37 PM
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we only need to be good here 25% of the time to call.
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.671% 23.50% 00.17% 6514 47.50 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 76.329% 76.16% 00.17% 21111 47.50 { TT-99, AKs, QJs, AKo, QJo }
Salient point and i make it 5.4 more into 22.7 pot so need 23.78 which seems to make this close. I've already folded but I was prob wrong on closer inspection.
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nice try. put in TJ and 9T and QJ
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I just put in the certainies to get us enough equity to call. TJ 9T maybe even 89 are just gravy. QJ is already there BTW.
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sorry i meant KQ...i edited. were behind 9T fwiw
NeverScurred
11-29-2007, 11:05 PM
It's close, but I think this is a call. I think we can somewhat discount AK from his ranges as I think a "solid tag" would reraise that preflop, but if he does this with KQ you have enough equity to call.
Fulzgold
11-30-2007, 03:20 AM
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you're definitely behind here. yes you can fold.
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villian appears to be a solid TAG. Easy fold.
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give me a range for villain?
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we're ahead of KQ, TJ, and 87
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two pair or better. pair and a gutshot 3 bet shoves flop? gimme a break. KQ does this to extreme heat? no f'n way.
99, 10 10, 9 10s, QJs all we beat here is a random bluff. good fold.
bsball8806
11-30-2007, 04:14 AM
I called, he flipped over 99 for bottom set. Once again, I proved to be the bigger donk
Fulzgold
11-30-2007, 05:04 AM
once u threebet him its tough to fold.
Seems like this is a good fold to make if you're right about the TAG label, and if you're image is similar. I don't think he'd push like that with less than a set. Then there's the likelihood of the QJ for the straight. Basically, I think you have to go with your read on the player and lay it down.
derosnec
11-30-2007, 04:24 PM
i'd call. drawy flop. slightly connected flop but his line can be alot of hands you're ahead of once you raise, you have like what over 1/2 your stack in in a hand where villain's line isn't very strong and were he can have alot of worse hands.
NeverScurred
11-30-2007, 05:36 PM
The real question is if he plays KQ this way. If he does, you have enough equity to call. If not, this is a fold.
The Reese
11-30-2007, 06:25 PM
I don't know if I could find a fold in this size pot and the majority of players at this level won't lead QJ here. I really can't find a fold with this line.
ICMoney
11-30-2007, 06:27 PM
You just raised over half your stack and you want to fold to shove?
Why not call down for the $5.5 or raise smaller?
Don't think either of these are good options, but better than folding.
If I raise like you did I already made my decision to go with the hand. Call.
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