56s in BB reraised pot

[thekoenna]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt (http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-FullTilt.php#converter) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($93)
CO ($46.65)
Hero ($52.35)
SB ($48.25)
BB ($51.20)
UTG ($25.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/5s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/6s.gif.
[color=#666666]1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50, SB completes, [color=#CC3333]BB raises to $4</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $3, SB folds.

Flop: ($8.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/3h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/th.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/2c.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($16.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/6d.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($16.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/3d.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $16.50

Ur opinions about the hand?

Villain is 19.8/10 i think i have a good read on him.

[Paul Thomson]

fold preflop. push flop.

[qdmcg]

pushing flop seems pretty bad, explanation/justification?

[mickb70]

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Villain is 19.8/10 i think i have a good read on him.

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which is?

fold pre-flop.

[LysSta]

bet turn

[Paul Thomson]

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pushing flop seems pretty bad, explanation/justification?

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it's best if there isn't a flush draw because villain will not look us up as likely. however, we have alot of fe and we have decent equity if called.

[NeverScurred]

"decent equity"? All we have is a gutshot. If anything, I'd probably fold flop. Calling to float is ok I guess, though you should probably bet turn to just end the hand there.

[Paul Thomson]

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"decent equity"? All we have is a gutshot. If anything, I'd probably fold flop. Calling to float is ok I guess, though you should probably bet turn to just end the hand there.

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let me ask u an honest question, would u rather raise the flop with AK or 56?

[mdwexford]

Fold preflop.
I presume you called the flop to bluff the turn but dont follow it through for some reason.

Its a help to post your "good read" btw.

[NeverScurred]

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"decent equity"? All we have is a gutshot. If anything, I'd probably fold flop. Calling to float is ok I guess, though you should probably bet turn to just end the hand there.

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let me ask u an honest question, would u rather raise the flop with AK or 56?

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Against a calling range of {AT,TT+}, AK has 20% equity and 65 has about 17%. So I'd rather raise with AK.

[Paul Thomson]

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"decent equity"? All we have is a gutshot. If anything, I'd probably fold flop. Calling to float is ok I guess, though you should probably bet turn to just end the hand there.

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let me ask u an honest question, would u rather raise the flop with AK or 56?

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Against a calling range of {AT,TT+}, AK has 20% equity and 65 has about 17%. So I'd rather raise with AK.

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well if Villain could have 33 or 22 then 56 is better. but u get the point.

a gut shot has good equity vs villain's calling range of a raise. and it's even better if we have a back-door draw to a flush.

[Paul Thomson]

fwiw, i misread the hand and thought it was a reraised pot preflop as the title of the post suggested.

so i wouldn't push the flop this deep...sorry for any confusion the title was misleading and it's hard to read the action given the messed up converter.

[Chargers In 07]

raise preflop the first time around? I think the turn and river are ok.

[vixticator]

Er, I think raising the flop and shoving the turn is good but just shoving the flop seems like a huge overbet.

[Paul Thomson]

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Er, I think raising the flop and shoving the turn is good but just shoving the flop seems like a huge overbet.

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yeah, see my last post. i thought it was a reraised pot preflop as the title suggested.

[NeverScurred]

Good point about the sets, but I don't think most players raise over limpers from the BB with 22 and 33. I think he most likely checks with those hands.

Let's do the math here, shall we? I'm gonna tentatively set BB's range here at AT+, 99+. That's 99 combinations. If he calls a shove with AT, TT+, he's calling with 39 combinations. That means that in this scenario, he's calling you 39.39% of the time. When called, we will win the pot 17.89% of the time.

When called:
.1789(60.7) - .8211(48.2) = -28.73

When he folds, you gain 12.5

.6061(12.5) - .3939(28.73)
Shove EV = -$3.74

Edit: Oh, you recanted on the whole "shove" thing, so I guess this post was pretty pointless. I'll just leave my (probably bad) math up here for posterity, then.

[Altreg]

i think you slughtly off with the numbers here, i did calculation and if he's calling range for allin is JJ+ and set's
we got EV=+0.34