JJ CRAI turn line

[KCrow]

Villain is 25/6/1.2 - no other reads

I didn't see any point getting in on the flop as I'd probably only be a small favouite. Is this line ok, I'm not sure if it was the best turn card to do this on but I feel that with some kind of straight draw the villain would be less likely to raise due to the fact that it's a monotone flop. His line looks more like Tx betting for protection.

With such a strong turn would it have been better to fold. I figured if I pust any Tx hand is going to call.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BTN: $72.25
SB: $48.75
BB: $47.05
Hero (UTG): $54.05
CO: $41.60

Pre-Flop: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.25</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $9.50</font>, Hero calls $6.25

Turn: ($23.25) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $18.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $42.80 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $24.30

[DonManuel]

I like it; although I usually lead the turn, to avoid him to check behind; he might be scared.

[jackatwork]

Against a villain with these stats, I think you're in trouble a lot. I think a player like this is more likely to protect like this with something like a set than Tx. Most solid players would choose a more ragged flop to bluff raise on, so I think his range is weighted pretty heavily towards a very strong hand. I definitely check/fold the turn as played, but I'm not really sure what the best move is on the flop.

[DonManuel]

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Against a villain with these stats, I think you're in trouble a lot. I think a player like this is more likely to protect like this with something like a set than Tx. Most solid players would choose a more ragged flop to bluff raise on, so I think his range is weighted pretty heavily towards a very strong hand. I definitely check/fold the turn as played, but I'm not really sure what the best move is on the flop.

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In my experience bad villains get very scared on monotone flops and go nuts with top pair. He can have a set or 2-p but he can have Tx very often here

[mephisto]

BTN: $72.25
SB: $48.75
BB: $47.05
Hero (UTG): $54.05
CO: $41.60

Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $1.75, CO folds, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 7 T 5 (2 Players)
Hero bets $3.25, BTN raises to $9.50, Hero folds

100% agree with Jackatwork and would like to take his idea further and won't even call his 3bet. It's too difficult to play this on the turn and because of his stats, any bet he make is a mandatory fold. 99% sure he's not doing this with a bare club or top pair, you are just beat here most of the time. Trust the stats.

[jackatwork]

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In my experience bad villains get very scared on monotone flops and go nuts with top pair. He can have a set or 2-p but he can have Tx very often here

[/ QUOTE ]villain doesn't have the best stats, but they're not absolutely horrible. He seems to be a bit on the passive side, which would lead me to discount Tx a bit more. I'm not sure, to be honest, I took a 3 month break from holdem and i've been really weak/tight since I came back so I'm interested to see what others think.

[KCrow]

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100% agree with Jackatwork and would like to take his idea further and won't even call his 3bet. It's too difficult to play this on the turn and because of his stats, any bet he make is a mandatory fold. 99% sure he's not doing this with a bare club or top pair, you are just beat here most of the time. Trust the stats.

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What about all the Tx hands with FDs, AcT, KcT, JcT etc. Do you not think a villain like this ever raises? How would you play this hand if his AF were 3 for instance?

[AZplaya]

I would honestly fold the flop here, your either slightly behind or way behind. As played it looks kinda spewy.

[Geordie Ramone]

The check raise all in on the turn seems horrible to me, if you are determined to get your money in at least push the turn so a club is making a mistake calling

[KCrow]

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The check raise all in on the turn seems horrible to me, if you are determined to get your money in at least push the turn so a club is making a mistake calling

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What hand that I beat calls here? IMO this is the worst line because it folds out all the hands that we beat. All the FDs fold, as well as most Tx hands.

[mephisto]

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100% agree with Jackatwork and would like to take his idea further and won't even call his 3bet. It's too difficult to play this on the turn and because of his stats, any bet he make is a mandatory fold. 99% sure he's not doing this with a bare club or top pair, you are just beat here most of the time. Trust the stats.

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What about all the Tx hands with FDs, AcT, KcT, JcT etc. Do you not think a villain like this ever raises? How would you play this hand if his AF were 3 for instance?

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Yeah but like someone else has said, you are either very slighty ahead or way way behind. I personally think that it's way too thin to play for stacks with this hand vs villain.

[existential_dred]

on the flop, its apparent that villian is either protecting a good hand (and the only made hand you can beat that he would protect like this is AxTx through JxTx, but i think its just as likely that he is protecting a stronger hand that JJ or semi-bluffing with AcX. If I had to put him on a hand I would say AcTh or something like that.

I think calling the villian's raise is the worst thing you can do. I probably fold it, but if i don't fold, i re-raise the flop, and then fold if get re-raised again.

this works for me because

1) i might buy the pot right there
2) i am expecting a call from any made hand that i can beat, with the exception of AxTx
3) i am expecting a re-raise from any made hand that i cannot beat with the exception of AxTx.
4)I don't mind folding to a semi-bluff club draw since i am going to get caught a lot of the time anyway.

[The Reese]

I hate it but as played I fold when re raised on the flop. This is the trouble of playing OOP on this type of board with any hand that you raised pre flop that contains no club. Just move on.