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Aquadougs
11-28-2007, 09:55 AM
Villain: 20/13/3 (103)

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (CO): $65.67
BTN: $65.63
SB: $51
BB: $38.41
UTG: $61.86
MP: $44.75

Pre-Flop: Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.50</font>, Hero calls $2.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($6.25) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $4</font>, Hero...


Was my call ok preflop?
What about postflop? I use to raise here to protect my hand, but now i called. What is best most of the time?

Spurious
11-28-2007, 09:59 AM
3bet or fold preflop.

as played we can call here and see what he does on the turn, if we raise we turn our hand into a bluff.
he could have anything here.

you see AQ,QQ+ here quite often.

Nick Royale
11-28-2007, 10:14 AM
Fold preflop call the flop.

tweak
11-28-2007, 10:14 AM
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3bet or fold preflop.

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precisely

I raise to 15 and fold to a push.

tweak
11-28-2007, 10:16 AM
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Fold preflop call the flop.

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do you see no merits in 3 betting Nick?

Nick Royale
11-28-2007, 10:25 AM
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Fold preflop call the flop.

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do you see no merits in 3 betting Nick?

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I don't see enough value in playing this hand after a utg limp and a raise from a pretty passive player in MP. MPs pfr range here probably isn't very wide and we're not in that good shape vs it. We're in even worse shape vs his calling range of a 3-bet. If we raise we're getting called by any hand that dominates us, we're not getting called by hands we dominate much (maybe KJs/QJs) and the rest of the time we're in flippish situation vs 77+ or something. Re-raising is probably better than calling, but I wouldn't do that without knowing MP is weak vs 3-bets and opens a reasonably wide range in situations like this.

JackOfPain
11-28-2007, 11:17 AM
Since he is just an agressive player he could make this play with absolutely nothing. I often make plays like this with nothing at all. Re-evaluate at the turn or be prepared to lay it down if he reraises.

Lego05
11-28-2007, 11:18 AM
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Fold preflop call the flop.

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matrix
11-28-2007, 12:35 PM
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Fold preflop call the flop.

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check through turn call or make a halfpot ish VB on a nice river.

HighOctane
11-28-2007, 02:10 PM
Why are you calling preflop? If you think your K or Q will be a good TP hand against this opponent then OK (like he's raised the last 6 hands or something). or he will check every time he misses and you can steal. Otherwise, you just put yourself in a tough spot for nothing and should have just folded preflop. I think cold calling KQ is a leak at this limit.

il_martilo
11-28-2007, 02:23 PM
Barring a specific read, I don't think calling preflop is a good idea here against a pretty standard TAG.

As played, call the flop, keep the pot small, and try to milk him on the river if the cards cooperate. You absolutely cannot let this pot get out of control, but in order to do so you have to give him free cards if you are ahead. Thats why calling PF sucks.

Aquadougs
11-28-2007, 03:32 PM
Thanks!

What if i had AQo? Same strategy?

Lego05
11-28-2007, 03:44 PM
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Thanks!

What if i had AQo? Same strategy?

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With AQo I 3bet pre-flop.

Aquadougs
11-28-2007, 09:09 PM
So a raise in those spots (at the flop) is just for bluffs and strong hands, am I right? Isnt that kind of exploitable if I only call with mediocre? What if he do a big second barrel?

ICMoney
11-29-2007, 01:17 AM
PF is fine.

Call flop, call most turns.
Bet if checked to.