66 - playing in rr pot with no set

[1fineday]

Villain is 17/11/1.68
Should Hero bet the river?

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BB: $53.75
UTG: $59.15
CO: $35.50
BTN: $24.65
Hero (SB): $113.60

Pre-Flop: 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.80</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $1.95

Flop: ($5.85) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.85) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($12.85) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, BTN calls $6

[tweak]

He called your flop bet, either with a draw or some of the board or maybe just over cards.

I think that you should just check/fold the river, seens you checked the turn.

[1fineday]

But Queen could be a good card to bluff... Since Hero 3-bet preflop and checked the turn he is likely to have overcards and Q could help him. Moreover, Q completes some draws that Villain can be afraid of

[SDone]

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But Queen could be a good card to bluff... Since Hero 3-bet preflop and checked the turn he is likely to have overcards and Q could help him. Moreover, Q completes some draws that Villain can be afraid of

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Usually if you're going to bluff you want to bet more than half the pot.

Clearly hero shouldn't have bet the river, because villian called.

[1fineday]

We don't know what Villain is going to do while we decide to bet or not to bet. Maybe he calls in 10% of the time and folds in 90%

[SDone]

What do you really think you're going to get the villian to fold there?
Also, it's more likely that villian had a draw than anything.
Sick call Kenny Tran says he had QJ, or dem pocket 7's.

[ama0330]

Just call preflop, there is no need to 3bet this hand out of the blinds. As played, what incentive have you given him to fold? You bet weak on the flop, check the turn, and bet weak on the river. Do you want him to put you on runner runner flush? I think that if you want to bluff him out you need to bet bigger on the flop and bet the turn aswell but my opinion is that you should call preflop, and as played, bet more on the flop then give up when called.

[1fineday]

Ty all for your answers
Ama, but why 3-betting preflop is bad here?
Villain has a pretty big range of hands that he raises from the button and that will fold to 3-bet or c-bet. If we flop a set it's easier to put all our money in the rr pot.
It's a kind of 3-betting light

[ama0330]

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Ty all for your answers
Ama, but why 3-betting preflop is bad here?
Villain has a pretty big range of hands that he raises from the button and that will fold to 3-bet or c-bet. If we flop a set it's easier to put all our money in the rr pot.
It's a kind of 3-betting light

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Its turning a mid strength hand into a bluff in a rereaised pot out of position which can get really expensive. I would rather 3bet 72o here than 66

[1fineday]

don't understand=((((
He's TAG, why 3-betting small pocket pairs against him OOP is bad? If the flop contains cards that are higher than 6, than 66 play exactly like 72o OOP in a rr pot( c-bet on the flop and if Villain doesn't fold, check/fold on all streets)

[Jack10]

Why are we 3-betting preflop? Our equity against an 11% PFRer even when he's on the button is not going to be much higher than 50%, and we are obviously OOP. Just call, then on a flop like this lead out a fair amount of the time. Unless we have a great read on the guy, I generally like to keep the pot small with a marginal hand OOP.

[piebear]

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But Queen could be a good card to bluff... Since Hero 3-bet preflop and checked the turn he is likely to have overcards and Q could help him. Moreover, Q completes some draws that Villain can be afraid of

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Clearly hero shouldn't have bet the river, because villian called.

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this is really bad logic.

[Lego05]

What's his attempt to steal? Unless it's pretty high I'm not 3 betting with 66 vs. someone with an 11% PFR.


Once he calls you on the flop give up and check fold the rest of the way.

[Jappejynx]

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don't understand=((((
He's TAG, why 3-betting small pocket pairs against him OOP is bad? If the flop contains cards that are higher than 6, than 66 play exactly like 72o OOP in a rr pot( c-bet on the flop and if Villain doesn't fold, check/fold on all streets)

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Somewhere deep in you, you know that you shouldn't have bet river /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[matrix]

call preflop - bloating the pot OOP vs this guy with a small pair is not a good idea.

If you are going to turn your hand into a bluff you ought to continue that bluff on the turn and fire 2/3pot on the turn as well - you just picked up another 4 outs and your hand is well disguised thanks to preflop - so IF he called the turn bet AND you make your hand you'll stack him on the river.

as played fold river all day. we can't rep any hands with weak flop bet check turn fire river for halfpot - and this villain is calling w/ AQ KQ JJ+ all day here.

[jackatwork]

I wouldn't 3bet with this preflop unless villain is stealing a lot. As played, I wouldn't bet the river, c/f on turn and river is fine I think.