25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb

[Hebel]

I suck

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CO ($19.15)
Button ($29.60)
Hero ($24.75)
BB ($56.35)
UTG ($24.30)
MP ($10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP folds, Button calls $1.

Flop: ($3) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.85</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3.7</font>, Hero calls $1.85.

Turn: ($10.40) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $9</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $19.40

[djcarter66]

U only suck a buck 85, stuff happens probably could have checked the flop but you were after information the only question is once he gave you the information why call the re raise.

No biggy lesson learned move on.

[brasilstu]

It's really not that bad. what do you think you could have done differently oop?

My read, based on the call from late pos and the eagerness to play for stacks, + min raise = villain has pp, hit his set.

you have an open ender, if you'd made your draw on the turn you would have stacked him.

[gregorio]

Do you have any questions, or just want us to know you suck?

Flop bet is really small. Easy for villain to raise with air here you look so weak. Definitely call flop with 2 overs and OESD. If you bet bigger on flop and get raised, you can shove if you think you have FE. Any reads? WTF can they limp with from OTB? Button could have 2pr or T9, 98 here.

[Check_The_Nuts]

yeah I kinda like check/call more than bet. Doubt he's folding that often on that board to a flop bet.

[Hebel]

I have no idea. about anything. which is why i posted the hand. i think pf should have been 1.50, and i should have checked/shoved the flop in retrospect

[Effen]

I think preflop is a little irrelevant to his postflop holding, he was calling 1.50 as much as he called 1.25.

Check/overbet shove hardly seems worth it.

[gregorio]

PF bet size is standard 4bb+1bb per limper. Shoving flop without reads is tough. You have no fold equity vs a lot of villain's range. Sucks to be OOP. I cbet 2-2.25 and call a raise and then c/f turn UI too. Hand gets tricky if you hit one of your overs. I shouldn't have thought of them as outs. They are real dirty.

[Woody317]

I actually thought this wasn't played too bad /images/graemlins/confused.gif
The flop bet is too small but other than that i don't see a problem with it. You can't bet/3-bet this flop after he's raised. With no reads you get almost no fold equity here and you're overcards are unlikely to be outs anyway.

I like c-betting here and calling a raise if you have odds. Once he raises you your implied odds are good so just play to hit the straight. You didn't hit so check-fold turn is fine.

[Hebel]

any hand where i fold is bad imo

but seriously, i guess this wasnt as bad as i thought. i just thought c/f on the turn was terrible

[gregorio]

It was not hitting your draw on the turn that was terrible.

[Hebel]

yeah its a leak that im working on. im getting coached now so that should stop

[VLV]

Anybody else think that raising KQo OOP against two limpers is a very bad idea. I do it like, never.

[Spurious]

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Anybody else think that raising KQo OOP against two limpers is a very bad idea. I do it like, never.

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i do it like always!

cbet is fine, we have OESD + overs
turn I like a blocking bet, as played we have to fold

[leyhal]

I don't like the preflop raise from OOP.

On the flop you probably felt you had to take the lead, but your flop bet comes across as weak.
The bet was also dubious because the board was so coordinated and in the playing zone, not to mention the fact you were out of position.

I prefer a check as betting the flop is unlikely to fold your opponent seeing much of his preflop range would connect in some way with this type of flop, and he also had the luxury of "seeing what you do" on the turn due to his position.

The poster who said "...you were after information the only question is once he gave you the information why call the re raise" is wrong. Not wrong in principle, but wrong because the reraise was so small.

Calling his small raise gave you 4.6 to 1 immediate odds to draw for your straight, not to mention that if you hit you had a good chance to stack the villain....but even if the villain would only pay off a small bet on the turn or river it is profitable to call here.

On the turn you had to fold.

[Spurious]

KQ is way ahead of a poster and a limper's range.

which hand would BTN have that he doesnt raise preflop and has us dominated?

not raising pf is terrible, imo.
OOP or not, KQ is strong compared to their ranges.

i cbet every flop HU especially when i have a draw.

[Lego05]

Raise a bit more pre-flop.

Bet bigger on the flop....call the tiny raise.

Fold to the nearly pot sized turn bet.

[leyhal]

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which hand would BTN have that he doesnt raise preflop and has us dominated?

not raising pf is terrible, imo.
OOP or not, KQ is strong compared to their ranges.

i cbet every flop HU especially when i have a draw.

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True.. KQ is probably ahead of their range. We were not given any info on opponents style so not sure what % of his range they make up but in $25 NL many villains will limp and call a raise with Ax and small pairs, both of which are commonly played and ahead of us.

Being out of position for all betting rounds makes it rather hard to play. Not saying you should always back off when oop but sometimes I think it's ok to play passively when oop with hands like KQ. If you hit TP it's hard to get paid off as it's so transparent and it's easy to lose a lot acting first with no information.

Maybe it's a weakness in my own game but I hate playing hands like this OOP unless I have good info on my opponent.
Some spots are dodgy to Cbet (bad position, coordinated board with 2 broadway cards).

[Hebel]

yes, that is a weakness of yours. stop being such a nit and learn to play some hands oop. if you never raise oop you will never get action when you have a big hand.

[matrix]

raise bigger preflop - I raise almost ATC when some moran posts and checks through - I make it $2 to play here.

pot the flop.

turn is standard.