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hra146
11-27-2007, 02:19 PM
Guy had fairly TAGgy stats so I figured 3bet>fold>call preflop. Once he called and the dry A-hi board hits I was a little clueless.

His pf calling range is relatively small I imagine. JJ+,AQs+.

Cbetting this flop will possibly get a call from his entire range. He might float me with all pairs, slowplay his AA and maybe too scared to raise AK in a WA/WB situation.

So I check planning to call any bet. I do that and Im quite lost on the turn. Fold or Shove?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter (http://www.learnhowtoplaypokerfree.com/convert/convert.cgi) Courtesy of PokerZion.com (http://PokerZion.com)

SB ($58.36)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($36.20)
MP ($49.25)
CO ($103.53)
Button ($66.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6.5</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $4.

Flop: ($13.75) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $9.75</font>, Hero calls $9.75.

Turn: ($33.25) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $20.75</font>

derosnec
11-27-2007, 02:36 PM
i dunno if i'm 3betting AQo against an MP open

Baintz
11-27-2007, 02:36 PM
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Cbetting this flop will possibly get a call from his entire range.

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Then surely you should be betting this flop?

bravos1
11-27-2007, 02:54 PM
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Cbetting this flop will possibly get a call from his entire range.

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Then surely you should be betting this flop?

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Absolutely.. please bet this flop, especially if he is calling w/ his entire range.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,300,781 games 26.140 secs 88,017 games/sec

Board: 3s 8h Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.815% 19.88% 04.93% 457401 113533.50 { JJ+, AQs+ }
Hand 1: 75.185% 70.25% 04.93% 1616318 113533.50 { AhQd }

LiveNow
11-27-2007, 03:05 PM
bet flop for sure imo. Top pair GK in a 3b pot.

djj6835
11-27-2007, 03:09 PM
1. Don't like the 3 bet if you actually think his range is that tight.

2. I don't think anybody's range is that tight

3. Super easy shove. It is an ace high flop in a rr pot and luckily you have one.

infinity235
11-27-2007, 03:10 PM
Given stack sizes, pot size and flop texture, I'm ready to play for stacks... PF is fine IMO, however I do bet out on this flop.

hra146
11-27-2007, 03:19 PM
I meant once he called the 3bet his range is relatively tight (most peoples range is, I guess).

Betting this flop while getting a call from all of his range is ofcourse profitable, however, I will be giving up any potcontrol. If I bet this flop and he calls, I will have to bet the turn and be committed to call an AI raise. If I bet the flop and he calls and I check the turn I will have no clue where I stand when he fires.

.,.,m.,.. I think Im overthinking this. Bet flop, CR turn or something.

blaehh

thoman8r
11-27-2007, 03:24 PM
If his PF 3-bet calling range is JJ+, AQs+ 3-betting with AQ seems bad to me.

djj6835
11-27-2007, 03:25 PM
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I meant once he called the 3bet his range is relatively tight (most peoples range is, I guess).

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I know. I find it hard to believe anybody's calling range is that tight.

derosnec
11-27-2007, 03:25 PM
you can bet or check that flop. doesn't really matter much either way.

Upgrade_U
11-27-2007, 04:00 PM
nevermind

VPIP100
11-27-2007, 04:12 PM
Check/calling every street and check/folding river with a strong read is fine.

Baintz
11-27-2007, 08:53 PM
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Betting this flop while getting a call from all of his range is ofcourse profitable, however, I will be giving up any potcontrol. If I bet this flop and he calls, I will have to bet the turn and be committed to call an AI raise.

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If this really concerns you then you shouldn't be 3betting AQ preflop. Pot control goes out of the window in 3 bet pots.

Speedlimits
11-27-2007, 09:17 PM
bet flop
bet turn

Xanta
11-27-2007, 09:45 PM
Lead the flop, you have the 2nd nuts for pete sake! A very small % of his range is raising, a large % is calling (Ax, 99-KK) and only a little is folding. No real point in checking to induce a bluff if you're not sure if you're going to call it.

If the turn bricks and is dry, then checking the turn and firing river if he checks back is probably the line I'd take.