Crazy spot on the turn - 44

[n4rf]

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CO ($10)
Hero ($9.70)
SB ($15.60)
BB ($5.40)
UTG ($1.95)
MP ($18.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.35</font>, Hero calls $0.35, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($0.85) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $0.6</font>, Hero calls $0.60.

Turn: ($2.05) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, Hero?


I wanted to ask for your guys' input on this hand.
Villain is 18/16/3 over 140 hands. He seems like a 2p2, at least not a fish.

Now what would you do in my spot holding the 4's?
Would you have checked the turn as well and maybe have the hand get to showdown as it may be good there?

[wattascoop]

I'm not betting the turn, nor am I calling his raise. Once he calls your flop bet, I'm about done with the hand. There are better spots to make money than this.

[n4rf]

I called his bet... he was the original bettor and he had a high CB%. I was actually planning on floating on this hand, and it worked until he came back over the top of me. But honestly, his line made no sense. Is this strength? or a bluff?

[mocky]

check behind on turn (pot control) you have a weak hand that could be best at showdown why bloat the pot on turn? You then could have called a bet/bluff on river to get to showdown.
As played fold.

[n4rf]

Doesn't anyone else think this might be a bluff? Especially since he checked the turn after he bet the flop...

[wattascoop]

Sorry, I misread the action. Still, I'm probably folding to the c-bet. I still believe there are better spots to make money than a villain who is 18/16/3 over that large a size. If he has a c-bet % and you think he has air, I would raise his c-bet here, not flat call.

[HappyElephant]

generally fold flop but your line is ok once in a while as long as you folded turn

[Spurious]

i never fold to his flop cbet
i might check the turn, i might bet the turn, our hand might be best and we have to protect therefore betting is ok

now, since he raised us, it's time to fold

nice hand imo


oh and his raise is not a bluff, it's called stack-a-donk (isnt it?) and we have to fold.

[Spurious]

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generally fold flop but your line is ok once in a while as long as you folded turn

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why would you fold the flop?

give me an good explanation?

and it should be standard to call or raise his cbet, our hand is most likely to be best here.

[HappyElephant]

because of Villains stats and his position i'm going to give a little credit.

[Spurious]

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because of Villains stats and his position i'm going to give a little credit.

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that's why i call his cbet all day long
OP said he's cbetting a lot

villain could easily be some random 2+2 guy, which he is mostlikely, therefore i dont give him credit for any flop bet on that ragged board

[n4rf]

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because of Villains stats and his position i'm going to give a little credit.

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that's why i call his cbet all day long
OP said he's cbetting a lot

villain could easily be some random 2+2 guy, which he is mostlikely, therefore i dont give him credit for any flop bet on that ragged board

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Exactly what I was thinking... he seemed like a *pretty solid player. That is, until I pushed back at him and he called with:<font color="white"> J/10 </font> :|

I know I asked this question expecting people to tell me to fold, because at 10NL, no one bluffs. But his line REALLY did not make sense to me. There's no way in hell I will do this 95% of the time, but I had a feeling that villain was just trying to push me around.

Why he called baffled the [censored] out of me considering he had nothing. River was a blank and I took the pot down...

I was very proud of my play that I put villain on air, and I was completely right. Again, 95% of the time I don't think villain is bluffing at these levels, this was 100% villain dependent.

[TimmY222]

If we are ahead with our 44 he probobly has alot of outs against us, if we are behind we have few outs. alot of the time we get into a difficoult spot by calling the flop bet. what turn/river cards do we like?
the turn raise is a bluff close to never imo.