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Wilpro
11-21-2007, 08:49 PM
I hate the way i play, seem to never know when to bet, and when i should be checking. Advcice on this hand please. Not sure about villain, no stats/reads.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com (http://www.leggopoker.com) - Hand History Converter (http://www.leggopoker.com/hh)

CO: $8.30
Hero (BTN): $18.80
SB: $9.50
BB: $3.85
UTG: $6.45
MP: $10.60

Pre-Flop: K/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.30</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.90</font>, 2 folds, MP calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) T/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.55</font>, MP calls $1.55

Turn: ($5.05) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $8.15 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $5.15

River: ($21.35) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

apple11
11-21-2007, 09:03 PM
C/r the turn all in is almost always a monster at 10nl unless you have a read that says otherwise

TheSalche
11-21-2007, 09:04 PM
Check behind the turn for pot control. It's unlikely that the river will help his hand. Call a 1/2 pot sized bet or so on the river, fold to anything more. He's only raising this turn with a hand that beats you, but you are getting good odds to call ... still a fold though.

Wilpro
11-21-2007, 09:08 PM
damn was reading so much theory about re raises on the turn being strength, feel dumb for betting it.
Thanks for tips /images/graemlins/smile.gif

doppelganger
11-21-2007, 09:39 PM
I disagree w/ comments that you should check the turn through. Villain has flat called a 3bet and shown no real strength in the hand yet, I don't see why we would see monsters and check a turn that usually gives us the best hand in a 3bet pot.

Before the checkraise, I would have villain's range in the neighborhood of 88+/AJs+, most of which we are well ahead of on the turn. No reason not to bet here, we just hit a very favorable card for AK and the flop was pretty safe.

We're really only losing to quads or a badly played AA/KK and villain's line really doesn't make much sense to me. I think we'll be splitting with another AK as often as we'll see AA/KK.

Then again, there is of course Baluga to think about. I dunno, I guess with 2:1 pot odds it's close enough that I call out of curiosity.

Micro Donk
11-21-2007, 09:41 PM
checking the turn also gives us more value from worse hands

but as played it looks fine, you cant fold after his c/r

doppelganger
11-21-2007, 09:45 PM
That's a fair point. Assuming we're ahead, we usually have our villain drawing to 2 outs so we're not risking much by checking and will probably induce bluffs from QQ/JJ on the river.

I need to focus more on winning money instead of winning pots.

Micro Donk
11-21-2007, 09:48 PM
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That's a fair point. Assuming we're ahead, we usually have our villain drawing to 2 outs so we're not risking much by checking and will probably induce bluffs from QQ/JJ on the river.

I need to focus more on winning money instead of winning pots.

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well QQ/JJ wouldnt be bluffing, our hand wuold look like 88-99 and they would likely value bet.

but yes, although we risk giving a free card to 89, their range is usually Tx, or a pocket pair below a K. so we can lose the minimum and win the maximum by checking and betting river i think

Wilpro
11-21-2007, 09:52 PM
if i check turn, and he pots the river, is it an easy call? Be about a $5 bet.

Micro Donk
11-21-2007, 09:53 PM
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if i check turn, and he pots the river, is it an easy call? Be about a $5 bet.

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thats my intention. check behind turn, call any river, bet if he checks riv

Wilpro
11-21-2007, 09:58 PM
Seriously bet the river? is it b/f river or b/c?
Lots and lots of 10nl donks love to slow play 3 streets.

Micro Donk
11-21-2007, 10:00 PM
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Seriously bet the river? is it b/f river or b/c?
Lots and lots of 10nl donks love to slow play 3 streets.

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monsters under the bed?

im b/c cause we will be pot committed on river, if checked to me.

sure he can have a T, but thats not all he can have

Wilpro
11-21-2007, 10:03 PM
Ok i am probably being result orientated and i accept that. He did have the ten. Seems a lot of the time c/shoves are strength and usually top/top aint enough.